Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 271 Friday, July 20th 1990 Today's Topics: intelligence GI crazies in GB? What gives? CARP Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Re: more stuff.. Re: tidbits Re: ILL BREEZE Military Cult in GB? Re: more stuff.. Re: ILL BREEZE Re: Ill Breeze Re: ILL BREEZE Re: ILL BREEZE Re: more stuff.. "The End of the World group" Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Re: more stuff.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: krowell@cie.uoregon.edu Subject: intelligence GI crazies in GB? What gives? Date: 19 Jul 90 22:40:31 GMT Hey, folks! What gives with the following story? It seems plausible that this is a straightforward report of actual events. (I know some people who hold beliefs like the ones reported here.) But could this also be a US intelligence establishment effort to dilute the full impact of the Gulf Breeze events of the last few years including deflection of interest from the recent MUFON conference in Gulf Breeze? (See typescript of Knight-Ridder news article below.) To me there are two keys to a proper evaluation of the current state of affairs with the UFO: (1) the phenomenon itself, about which any hardnosed investigative reporter can determine 80% of the facts within a year or two of vigorous, fulltime investigation, and (2) the U.S. and world intelligence establishment. This is what the uncommited investigative reporter will find: the extended ET hypothesis is the most reasonable working hypothesis for explaining the UFO phenomenon at this time. The *extended* ET hypothesis is this: virtually all genuine UFOs (in the Hendry/Hynek sense) are spaceships piloted by ET beings; however, the beings have long since integrated a more general understanding of 'reality' into their "technology". Today, humanity understands this extended part of the UFO phenomenon as the psychic and the paranormal. Our best systematic understanding of the psychic/paranormal today is found in the growing field of transpersonal psychology. Transpersonal psychology is *not* accepted by mainstream scientists and academics, or by many media people, etc. Because of this, the psychic and paranormal aspects of UFOs become impediments to the acceptance of the factuality of the phenomenon itself by establishment groups. The prevailing world view of establishment people leaves out an appreciation of the psychic and paranormal aspects of reality. The US intelligence establishment is directly responsible for the other half of the non-acceptance equation of the UFO by the various establishments that run America and the world (media, academia, government, corporations, etc.). (Note that the US intelligence establishment accepts the reality of the psychic and paranormal in a practical sort of way, so much so that 90% of all the funding for paranormal research was and is done, covertly of course, by the CIA, etc.) US intelligence almost undoubtedly knew the basic truth about the UFO sometime during WWII (foo fighters). The crash at Roswell merely dispelled what small uncertainties they might have had. By constantly applying a campaign of disinformation to confuse the issues with respect to the UFO (in order to keep the phenomenon away from full public recognition and confrontation), the US intelligence establishment has kept 99.999% of the people in the various establishments in the dark about the factuality of flying saucers. (0.001%, of course, know something about the factuality of the UFO because they have been directly or indirectly involved in some aspect of the phenomenon.) Even though I am merely one of Vallee's despised armchair, amateur UFO researchers, I have come across two stories confirming the intelligence establishment's deep involvement with the *factuality* of flying saucers. I am sure many of you reading this have your own private stories. (Like you, I am not at liberty to divulge extensive details at this time. There is nothing sinister in this. In one case, we need to protect the identity of the individual because he still works for the government. In the other case, a journalist friend of mine wants also to protect sources and to use the material in a future publication. Both of these stories came to me unsolicited.) Because of the intrinsic plausibility of US intelligence covert operations directed at the UFO subculture (on analogy with the COINTELPRO program against Vietnam era war protesters, which is a matter of court record now), I would say that the US intelligence establishment holds the main key to saucer recognition by the general public and American establishmentarians. Join Fawcett and Greenword's CAUS. Pursue your own FOIA UFO requests. Follow the MJ-12 briefing paper situation very closely. Watch the debunking efforts against Gulf Breeze and Ed Walters. (Why did the NY Times never carry a story on the Gulf Breeze cases in 1987, 88, and 89?) Pay very close attention to any UFO/military/intelligence related cases, such as the one that follows here. Keith -+From the (Portland, OR) Oregonian, Thursday, July 19, 1990 Why did 6 GIs desert posts in Germany? Apparently to meet UFOs By Nolan Walters Knight-Ridder News Service WASHINGTON -- Six U.S. soldiers, who apparently deserted sensitive intelligence posts in West Germany, may have believed they were chosen to greet alien spaceships and lead humanity to a science fiction-style heaven, according to friends and acquaintances. The group has puzzled authorities since a note was found in their quarters that contained Biblical referenced and the words 'End of the World.' Mention of a possible 'End of the World' cult at a Pentagon briefing Tuesday has spawned a frenzy of media speculation. Now, after being detained at Gulf Breeze, Fla. -- the site of a rash of recent UFO sightings -- the five men and one woman are being held in isolation and debriefed by the Army at Fort Benning, Ga. 'They believe that Jesus is an astronaut,' said one man who sold them a van. The group member, in fact, believed in an offshoot Christian belief called the 'rapture,' said Stan Johnson, a friend of the apparent group leader. He described it a a 'combination of science fiction and fundamentalist Baptist beliefs.' Rapture is the second coming of Jesus Christ, in which he returns to Earth to take the believers with him and the rest of Earth would be destroyed. This group, though, believed Jesus was an alien and would return in a spaceship for the chosen. 'How can I phrase this: Jesus Christ drives a spaceship,' Johnson said. 'They were apparently convinced that the aliens had chosen them as the chosen few to be on hand when they reclaimed the Earth,' he said. While the military is investigating the incident with apparent intensity, there has been no evidence that national security was compromised. 'This does not appear to be an espionage case,' said a Pentagon spokesman. The bizarre chain of events began in late May or early June when Johnson, a Bybee, Tenn., photographer, got a cal from his longtime friend Kenneth G. Beason, 26, from Augsburg, West Germany, where he was stationed. Johnson said he had met Beason a few years ago when he'd asked to have some spaceship models photographed. They became friends and often talked of science fiction and philosophy. 'Other than an interest in science fiction, he's perfectly normal,' Johnson said. 'Basically what has happened is his imagination has interwoven with reality.' Johnson said he met Beason and another soldier, Michael J. Hueckstaedt, 19, at the Knoxville airport and helped them buy a used Volkswagen van on July 7. Bill Grant, a neighbor, sold them the van for $800, but now, 'I'd give them $1,600 just not to have my name on it,' he said. The two soldiers planned to meet the other group members in Chattanooga, Tenn., then drive to meet the first spaceship landing at Gulf Breeze on Aug. 6, then continue on to New Mexico, where 'something else was going to happen,' Johnson said. The spaceship's arrival would be heralded by war in Lebanon and a shakeup of the U.S. military, Johnson said he was told. The group's plan was based on psychic messages being received by another group member they identified as 'Vance,' Johnson said. But they denied they were AWOL, or absent without leave, Johnson said, and they became 'almost belligerent' when he tried to dissuade them from the trip. The six were detained early Saturday, after Gulf Breeze police stopped their van. They put the driver's name through a national crime computer, and he turned up AWOL, Police Capt. Kenneth Hicks said. Gulf Breeze has recently been the focus of national interest by believers in UFOs since the publication of a book called 'The Gulf Breeze Sightings.' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: CARP Date: 19 Jul 90 15:49:00 GMT In a message to All <07-16-90 23:57> Frank Cox wrote: FC>I DL the CARP file from CIS and was wondering what everyone FC>thinks of it. I assume it's some creative writing on FC>someone's part and I don't even think a government could FC>expect people to be that gullable, but I am one to "never FC>say never". I'm not sure how old this file is but does FC>anyone out here remember it. Frank, The CARP file has been floating around for sometime now. As I understand it, the file was originally sent in hard copy to Don Ecker over at UFO Magazine in a plain brown wrapper, if you know what I mean, and no return address. Don, when he initally loaded it into the network stated this fact and also stated that he had no way of judging it's validity. He placed it into the network for everyone to look at and form their own opinions. Having read the thing extensively, it is my opinion that it smacks of Bill Cooper. Most certainly the kind of material that he puts out, and believe it or not his writing style, and style of delivery (suddenly appears in the night with the warning that "this must be kept absolutely secret"). One point concerning the document that I find extremely interesting is that the author makes some pretty incrediable statements yet fails to provide adequate evidence or sources. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Date: 19 Jul 90 16:01:00 GMT In a message to Don Allen <07-16-90 23:43> Frank Cox wrote: FC>Who really knows what's going on in his mind? And I too FC>have to admit he's getting on in years. I wonder if he FC>glows when the lights go out! Frank, You have to remember that Teller was of the "Old" guard and felt that the power of the atomic bomb was the answer to some of the world's major problems, to include war and such other nonsense. Teller failed to look beyond the long term ramifications and I believe was one of the many people that believed a nuclear war was surviviable. This being the case, it only stands to reason that he would take the position that he does. Even if it is much to our dismay. It's a different world out there and he helped to create it. But I don't think that when he did so, he was willing to join it... Just an observation.. Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 19 Jul 90 16:30:00 GMT In a message to Don Allen <07-17-90 04:36> John Komar wrote: JK>Yes..In Russia, in the out country, away from the major JK>cities, UFO sightings and reports are carried just about JK>daily in the local newspapers! John, It's interesting that this point would be made. I have just recently recieved a report from the Soviet Union via Stanton Friedman and the Fund for UFO Research concerning a sighting that was made 75 miles north of Moscow on March 21. Included in the package were several statements from Soviet Air Force Pilots who chased the object and several statments from Soviet Ground defence radar personel. Also there was a public statement issued to the Soviet Newspaper Rabochaya Tribuna by General of Aviation, Chief of the Main Staff of Air Defence Forces, Igor Maltsev. In the statement he basically confirmed the sighting and went on to say that it appeared to be under intelligent control...One of these days when I find the time I will transcribe it to a file and up load it. As you know I have a hell of a work load right now and am trying to make ends meet. BTW on top of everything else, we have just found out that Valerie is pregnant again.....I wish they would figure out waht causes that.... JK>DA=>Our Govt spits on a Bill English while he would JK>probably be JK>DA=>venerated as a "hero" over in Europe. JK> JK>He,he, don't pack your bags yet Bill, we still need you JK>over here! Hehehe....I'll bet this one is raising a few eye brows in these echoes right about now..Don't worry. I'm not going anywhere. Can even afford to cross the street let alone the country... Take care, Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 19 Jul 90 16:36:00 GMT In a message to John Burke <07-17-90 21:57> Jim Delton wrote: JD>"Playing fast and loose with the facts"... If the truth JD>about what the $1000 was for is so hard to pin down is it JD>any wonder the that UFO "researchers" can't seem to develop JD>good data on all the sightings. Jim, I think that you will begin to see a change within the next few months with regard to cooperation between the investigative organizations. Admittedly the past two years have been a virtual desert with regard to investigative quaility and standards, but I forsee a coming together in the near future where a major summit may be in the offing where representatives from all of the organizations come together to establish a set of investigative criteria and standards. I personally believe that if we can accomplish this, then perhaps the media and the rest of the scientific community will begin to look upon us with a bit more respect than they have in the past. I also think that the quality of investigations and most importantly, the quality of the answers will improve dramatically.. Kind Regards, Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 19 Jul 90 16:40:00 GMT In a message to John Hicks <07-17-90 00:39> Jim Speiser wrote: JS>Exactly, John. Ask yourself, who besides Ed has drawn the JS>attention of Budd Hopkins, Bruce Maccabee and Walt Andrus? Jim, I have a copy of a recent letter that Bruce Maccabee wrote to the editor of the Gulf Breeze Sentinel concerning the Mayor of Gulf Breeze. I think that you might find it interesting if you don't already have it. Bruce was in rare form on this one and flamed the Mayor royally without getting down and dirty. After reading it, I decided that I should take lessons from him should I ever want to flame anyone without getting kicked out of the network..This was a real work of art... Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Military Cult in GB? Date: 20 Jul 90 01:48:00 GMT There has been a development of possibly extraordinary significance (and possibly none at all) in the Gulf Breeze case. The following AP article says it all. ------------------ GULF BREEZE, Fla. (AP) -- Six soldiers who disappeared from a classified intelligence unit in West Germany and believed to be members of a mysterious group called "The End of the World" have been caught in Florida. The five men and one woman, caught over the weekend in this Florida Panhandle city, were being held at Fort Benning, Ga., pending a counterintelligence investigation. However, Bob Hall, a spokesman for Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, said the counterintelligence investigation is being conducted as a matter of routine because the soldiers had access to classified information. "The Army says this does not appear to be an espionage case," said Hall. Maj. Joe Padilla, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon, said he had no information about "The End of the World" group except that the six are apparently members. He could not say if it has any significance in the investigation, or how and when the Army came to know of their affiliation. "I've heard of a lot of cults but this is a new wrinkle," said Gulf Breeze police Chief Jerry Brown. Dallas Blanchard, a sociology professor and cult expert at the University of West Florida in nearby Pensacola, said he hadn't heard of the group. All six soldiers were Army intelligence specialists assigned to the 701st Military Intelligence Brigade at Augsburg, West Germany, Padilla said. He wouldn't say exactly what jobs they performed but that their training was in analyzing foreign communications. The Army hasn't filed charges against the six soldiers, Padilla said. He said an absent-without-authorization allegation could encompass either absent without leave or the more serious charge of desertion. The disappearance came to the attention of military authorities on July 9, Hall said. Brown said that is the date they arrived in Gulf Breeze. Hall and Padilla said they didn't know how the six got to Florida from Germany. The absent soldiers had been staying with two Gulf Breeze women, Brown said. One of the women had met one of the male soldiers last year in Gulf Breeze and struck up a friendship. He called her and asked if the group could stay with them for a few days, Brown said. They were caught after one of the men was stopped by a police officer Friday night because the taillights on the van he was driving weren't working, Brown said. The man had no driver's license and warrants showed he had been listed on Thursday as wanted for desertion from the Army, the chief said. After officers called security police at the Pensacola Naval Air Station to pick up the man, the Navy called back to say he was traveling with five other soldiers also wanted for desertion or being absent without leave, Brown said. Soon after, representatives of the FBI, the CIA and the National Security Agency called his department as well, Brown said. -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 20 Jul 90 02:29:00 GMT What's in Photo #6???????? -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 18 Jul 90 18:34:11 GMT Another simple explination is that ED saw an opening to make some bucks off something and went with it. The report that someone else had a sighting at least a week before him, makes it even more plausable. It's not the creation of an idea that makes the product sell, it's the marketing. My personal opinion is that this was Ed's motivation. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: Ill Breeze Date: 19 Jul 90 18:05:01 GMT > I'm not aware of it, Steve, but I've heard that several other > videos have been taken by GB residents. Mayhaps John Hicks can > fill us in on that. All I know is that three or four videos (and many photos) were taken during the mid-April mini-flap, and that Maccabee has them all. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 19 Jul 90 18:16:02 GMT > I cannot deny that from > all accounts there is some high strangeness activity in the > area, so much so that I think its time we issued a separate > ParaNet rating for that activity which is separate from Ed's. It > sounds like it could be as high as S4/P5. I also think we have to split Ed's incidents away from the other GB cases. However, they also tend to support Ed's case. Compared with some of the other incidents, Ed's incidents fit in pretty well. So Ed's case could be a hoax, while the others may be quite real. Or they're all real, and Ed just happened to get pictures. Anyway, we need to look at all the incidents together, and look at Ed's case seperately, all at the same time, which is rather hard to do. Ponder this....would so many doubt Ed if his case hadn't received all the publicity, including the book? jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 19 Jul 90 18:19:03 GMT > precisely because they may very well be legit, indeed, they may > be the signal, drowned out by Ed's noise. I just remembered that I should mention that Budd is taking lots of interest in the other abduction-type cases in the area. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 19 Jul 90 18:25:04 GMT > It doesn't surprise me at all that the media is both liberal > andbiased As a former member of the news media, I can tell you that I was neither controlled, particularly liberal or intentionally biased. However, I can also tell you that *lots* of control exists in the larger news organizations. My point is that you're relatively right regarding the wire services, large newspapers, magazines and the networks, while the smaller news publications etc. are fairly uncontrolled, except when the publisher decides to go on a crusade or run for political office. Then, it's fairly evident to everyone what's going on. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: "The End of the World group" Date: 20 Jul 90 06:14:00 GMT JH> > The group was composed of 5 men JH> > and 1 woman. The report had linked them with (of all JH> > places) Gulfbreeze! JH> JH> The only connection I can think of is that a person JH> living in Gulf Breeze would be in close proximity to JH> several large military installations and military JH> personnel. JH> I didn't know about the story; it'd probably be well JH> worth tracking down. Can you find out the radio or tv JH> station, time and date? JH> JH> jbh JH> JH> --- FD 1.99c JH> * Origin: Paranet NU-DELTA(sm) Orlando, Fla. (407)649-4136 JH> (1:363/29) I can ask the guy that told me. It's *local* to us as to the radio staion that he heard it on. -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Re: Teller Is Loose Again.. Date: 20 Jul 90 06:22:01 GMT FC> Who really knows what's going on in his mind? And I too FC> have to admit he's getting on in years. I wonder if he FC> glows when the lights go out! FC> --- ZMailQ 1.12 (QuickBBS) FC> * Origin: ParaNet(sm) Information Service HQ - FC> [714]985-0666 LA, CA (9:9/0.0) I believe he's 82 years old now. That's a *long* time. I'm sure he's got plenty of fascinating tales left. -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 20 Jul 90 06:36:02 GMT JH> > It doesn't surprise me at all that the media is both liberal JH> > andbiased JH> JH> As a former member of the news media, I can tell you that JH> I was neither controlled, particularly liberal or JH> intentionally biased. However, I can also tell you that JH> *lots* of control exists in the larger news organizations. JH> My point is that you're relatively right regarding the JH> wire services, large newspapers, magazines and the JH> networks, while the smaller news publications etc. are JH> fairly uncontrolled, except when the publisher decides to JH> go on a crusade or run for political office. JH> Then, it's fairly evident to everyone what's going on. JH> JH> jbh JH> JH> --- FD 1.99c JH> * Origin: Paranet NU-DELTA(sm) Orlando, Fla. (407)649-4136 JH> (1:363/29) I was mainly commenting on the big wire services,The national news services (ABC, CBS, NBC), Time Magazine, Newsweek, The Washington Post (they wrote the book on liberals), The New York Times, Wall Street Journal,etc,etc.. These corporations have an enormous impact on what we read and hear as "News"..AND what get's _reported_ as such. There's _no news_ like BAD NEWS..(consult youl local TV station for a good reference on that). My feeling is that the smaller newspapers and wire services aren't as heavily controlled and usually get away with reporting some interesting 'tidbits' which may not make it through the "news" process in other larger corporations. The bigger services are where we get the terms "Spin Patrol" and "sound bite". Which usually means _Fluff_ and little or no substance. Print does a much better job (IMHO) of dealing with issues than the visual media of Television. -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************