Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 273 Monday, July 23rd 1990 Today's Topics: Re: GB evidence chain Re: More GB Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: tidbits Traffic Ed Walters Recent Developments GB Video Re: PARANET NEWSLETTER Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Re: Military Cult in GB? Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB INFORMANT Re: Recent Developments Re: more stuff.. Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Belgian UFO's Questions on Belgium Movie Title Re: Traffic Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Re: Ed Walters Re: Recent Developments Re: GB Video Re: Military Cult in GB? Re: INFORMANT Re: Paranet Newsletter 270 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: GB evidence chain Date: 21 Jul 90 18:09:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <00-00-80 0:00> Jim Speiser wrote: JS>to plant it? Neither makes sense. But Ed planting it to JS>make it LOOK like someone else planted it, in order to JS>garner more sympathy...THAT makes sense to me. Think about JS>it...it HAS gained him more sympathy in some quarters, JS>hasn't it? Many people here are turning an even more JS>suspicious eye on "the debunkers", whoever that might be. JS> I can't argue with that, but again the question is how in the heck did it get into a house that Ed hasn't lived in or been in for a year? Ah never mind...there's other stuff that is happen right now that makes me wonder if this whole thing wasn't a set up... Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 21 Jul 90 18:11:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <00-00-80 0:00> Jim Speiser wrote: JS>Sorry, Bill, I've lost the sense of the thread. What are we JS>trying to arrange, and why? Ray is welcome to stop by here, JS>and used to do so frequently. Jim, I think you were mentioning that Ray would be a good choice to send updates on what was happening in the Gulf Breeze area. Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 21 Jul 90 18:17:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <00-00-80 0:00> Jim Speiser wrote: JS>I've also spoken to Antonio since the article appeared, and JS>he agrees he went to press with it too quickly, that the JS>whole thing appears to be bogus. Bear in mind that he's a JS>grunt writer for a small NY paper, lives a very meager JS>lifestyle, and tries his damnedest with what he's got to be JS>as credible as possible. He's very, very "into" the JS>subject, he eats, breathes, sleeps and farts UFOs, and his JS>knowledge of the subject is absolutely phenomenal. In the JS>two days he spent as my houseguest, I was unable to hit him JS>with a sighting of any consequence he hadn't heard of - JS>but, oy, was he able to swamp me with JS>sightings *I* hadn't heard of! And a nicer guy there ain't. Jim, Although I have never met Antonio I have heard some really good things about him. It is indeed unfortunate that he got burned in the manner he did. But he shouldn't take it to heart as a lot of other people got fried on that one to. Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: tidbits Date: 21 Jul 90 18:23:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <00-00-80 0:00> Jim Speiser wrote: JS>I wish I could believe that, Bill, but with what is JS>happening in the field as we speak, both publicly and JS>behind the scenes, I'm pretty certain that the bad blood is JS>going to get a lot worse. The Gulf Breeze case is a lot JS>more divisive than people realize. Hoax or not, its an JS>absolute travesty, and will make a shambles of several JS>careers and at least one organization. Jim, I have to agree to a certain extent with your acessment of the situation as it currently stands with regard to the Gulf Breeze thing, however I have a feeling that it's going to get more complicated than it already is, most particularly since I have discovered that there seems to be new players in the Gulf Breeze situation (see P_SYSOP message to you). JS>A major summit may be in the offing, but its going to have JS>to be a very private one, involving responsible people, not JS>a big public show that includes all the loudest barkers. This could well be the the case, but if it requires a Henry Kissinger of Ufology, then I say let's find him fast because if we don't our creditibility is going to suffer even more than it already has. We MUST take steps to improve the situation and stop the infighting. Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f14.n9010.z86.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Traffic Date: 19 Jul 90 16:17:04 GMT In a message to Steve Rose <18 Jul 90 23:36:00> Bill English wrote: >SR>Please, no flame. But I do get a bit tired of their tricks >SR>at tourism, IMHO. BE> If that's the case you have to admit that it worked better than they BE> expected.... Not unlike an event that occured almost 2000 years ago. They're still writing about that one. ;-) -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: Ed Walters Date: 18 Jul 90 01:31:00 GMT If Ed had used a model, wouldnt it be plausible that he would have BURNED or destroyed the model afterwards? Why keep a model in your own house and so easily found? -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: Recent Developments Date: 18 Jul 90 22:08:00 GMT I agree with you, the local library does have a lot of books you can find.. not much censorship there.. theres even books on witchcraft and the occult, and maybe some satanism even! Its good to see our public libraries don't censor what kind of books they get. I rather imagined that there would be this Jesse Helms type fanatic omitting any books that would "corrupt" people. -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: GB Video Date: 19 Jul 90 20:11:00 GMT FJ> In a message of <11 Jun 90 08:39:00>, Charles Mcelhinney FJ> (9:1010/70) writes: FJ> >when I heard the audio of them talking in the backround "Gee honey, what FJ> >is it?" "I don't know. I just don't know." It didn't seem like the FJ> >"right" thing to say. Any normal person would've just dropped the FJ> camera FJ> >and run for his life. FJ> FJ> I have to disagree here Charles. I have sat with people If I was walking along a field and an UFO landed next to me, I wouldnt be running for my life. I don't even have any shred of evidence that it would be of any harm to me, and my natural curiousity wouldn't let me run away also! I have difficulty understanding why people would "run for their lives". -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: PARANET NEWSLETTER Date: 19 Jul 90 16:12:51 GMT The bright light you saw in the sky during daylight was most likely Venus. I have seen it on several ocassions myself. Laying on my back in the park, and at an observatory on Mount Wilson in CA. That time we looked up where it was supposed to be and sighted down the telescope barrel. Not that unusual, but it is fun and interesting. Last time in Wisconsin we used the jet trails from planes to line up where it was so we could find it again. It's quite a feat because you must focus past where you expect to look. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Date: 19 Jul 90 22:13:38 GMT > > Excuse me for butting in here guys, ...... Go right on ahead Bill > ........ it seems to me that Tim's problem isn't so > much that he's a nerd, it's just that he believes to > much of the gunk that Cooper feeds him. That and the > fact that like Coop he has a tendancy to open mouth > before putting brain in gear. Well, Timmy certainly isn't a master of tact.... > > BTW, I'm the new kid on the block so don't mind me... > Yeah, sure you are...hehe. -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman) Subject: Re: Military Cult in GB? Date: 20 Jul 90 18:51:05 GMT So you think that the city of Gulf Breeze is somehow connected to this cult? I think we can tie the name of the article "The End of the World" in with information that they deserters got ahold of. Did they discover a military plot? Maybe they went to Gulf Breeze to intellar hitchike because of the soon to come chaos. I feel this is an important issue. NOT becuase it occured in Gulf Breeze, but because of a cult started within the intelligence division in the military. These guys aren't weirdos, THEY FOUND SMETHING! -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman) Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB Date: 19 Jul 90 17:52:30 GMT The AWOLS are all part of a cult called "THE END OF THE WORLD". From what I piece together, they discovered the ALternative-3 plan and know what will be happening to the Earth soon. They formed an underground organization to stay alive and maybe put down the Illuminati and foil the plot to save Earth. This all sounds crazy, but it's all speculation on my part. Anyone have more? I don't think that the city of Gulf Breeze has anything to do with the AWOLS. Unless theres' an underground base nearby. LUMEN DEFECTUS TIRO CANUS CORVUS VII -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman) Subject: INFORMANT Date: 19 Jul 90 17:57:15 GMT Care to comment on the fact that PARANET is a gov't controlled computer network and you're a paid dis information agent? Many people are beginning to feel this way, and I'm pretty curious. By the way, T.S. says hi! -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Recent Developments Date: 21 Jul 90 05:45:00 GMT Another good source is the used book stores. I've picked up at least 10 good books, thru that route. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 21 Jul 90 05:47:00 GMT Guess I'm going to have to go to B. Daltons and visit my copy of the book again!! -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 21 Jul 90 05:57:00 GMT ALthough I don't particularly want to get into discussion/dissection of someones personality/motives/etc why would you "respect" Tim when the Magazine and projects he promotes are amongst the most egregious examples of why people don't take the subject of UFO's seriously. Would you have similar respect for the publisher/editor of, say, the Inquirer? I suppose one could on a personal level, but I can't see how on a professional level. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) Subject: Belgian UFO's Date: 22 Jul 90 15:16:28 GMT Could somebody send me a synopsis of the Belgian UFO situation? (Articles etc...) I seem to have walked in on the middle of this one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Iverson Internet: eiverson@nmsu.edu Computing Research Lab Box 30001/3CRL Life is something to do when New Mexico State University you can't get to sleep. Las Cruces, NM 88003-0001 -Fran Lebowitz (505) 646-5711 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Douglas H. Hughes' Subject: Questions on Belgium Date: 22 Jul 90 17:21:20 GMT I've been getting all kinds of different stories about this Belgian thing with the 6 people, but none of them has really cleared anything up for me yet. I saw a mention about a press release, unfortunately, it was only a small piece. Could someone please post the entire press release? I fear I missed it somewhere along the line and have no idea where that was. There has been nothing about this in my local media.. but then what do you expect, this is central Pa, farm country.. As an aside, has anyone ever heard, or given credit to the flying saucer encounter that was said to have happened during the 6 day war? I heard about it one night on this show that appears only at midnight on Saturday nights on an obscure channel called ET Monitor and with host Robert Barry (whomever he might be) Apparently he has lots of UFO information.. and the last half of the show is usually devoted to viewer call-ins and questions. Apparently he and his wife organize the whole thing, and have videos and other documents about various cases, especially those in the Pennsylvania area. Doug doug@psuecl.bitnet Doug@ecl.psu.edu dhh102@psuvm.psu.edu (and many more) 'When logic fails you, try eeney-meeney-miney-moe' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'Kim J. Trull' Subject: Movie Title Date: 23 Jul 90 01:21:47 GMT Hello! Several months ago we had a discussion about a TV movie starring Jan Michael Vincent and Cybil Shepherd as two people that saw a UFO as children, grew up, met each other again, etc. He was a local sheriff's deputy investigating cattle mutilations, she a geologist investigating some magnetic lines, or something like that. Anyway, someone was asking about this movie months ago, but no one knew the title. One of the independent stations here in Houston just re-aired it today, so here's the info! _The Alien's Return_ (a bit unimaginative!) made in 1980. I still think the ending is a bit vague, and there are some weak points in the plot, but it is pretty interesting for anyone interested in UFOs... KJ Trull -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Traffic Date: 21 Jul 90 20:11:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-19-90 09:17> Steve Rose wrote: SR>Not unlike an event that occured almost 2000 years ago. SR>They're still writing about that one. ;-) Steve, I can't argue with that one, but on top of everything else that seems to be going on in Gulf Breeze, the newest developements look as if they are going to get even more interesting...Hmmmmm....Elementary my dear Watson..elementary... Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Traffic reports, rush hour.. Date: 21 Jul 90 20:13:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-19-90 15:13> Kurt Lochner wrote: KL> > BTW, I'm the new kid on the block so don't mind me... KL> > KL>Yeah, sure you are...hehe. Well, technically here I am.... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Ed Walters Date: 21 Jul 90 20:16:00 GMT In a message to John Burke <07-17-90 18:31> Tyson Mitchiner wrote: TM>If Ed had used a model, wouldnt it be plausible that he TM>would have BURNED or destroyed the model afterwards? Why TM>keep a model in your own house and so easily found? Tyson, Unless of course he was trying something like Jim Speiser has suggested as a possibility. At this point it is anyones guess. I have a feeling though that the fat lady ain't signing yet and the show isn't over. In fact I think that it is going to get even more interesting from the observers point of view and turn into a nightmare for several others... Kind regards Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Recent Developments Date: 21 Jul 90 20:17:00 GMT In a message to Jim Delton <07-18-90 15:08> Tyson Mitchiner wrote: TM>satanism even! Its good to see our public libraries don't TM>censor what kind of books they get. I rather imagined that TM>there would be this Jesse Helms type fanatic omitting any TM>books that would "corrupt" people. One of the most famous censors that I can possibly think of was named ....Adolph Hitler.....there were many a literary fire in those days.. Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: GB Video Date: 21 Jul 90 20:20:00 GMT In a message to Frances Jones <07-19-90 13:11> Tyson Mitchiner wrote: TM> If I was walking along a field and an UFO landed next to TM>me, I wouldnt be running for my life. I don't even have TM>any shred of evidence that it would be of any harm to me, TM>and my natural curiousity wouldn't let me run away also! I TM>have difficulty understanding why people would "run for TM>their lives". Tyson, Your a better person than I am, because they would be slipping and slidding on the trail I leave behind me, and I am not ashamed to admit it. From the material that I have seen over the years, I don't seriously think that I would like to take a chance and hang around to find out if they were the good ones or if I was going to wind up as the main course at an alien Barbeque... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Military Cult in GB? Date: 21 Jul 90 20:26:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <07-20-90 11:51> Zach Harman wrote: ZH> I feel this is an important issue. NOT becuase it ZH>occured in Gulf Breeze, but because of a cult started ZH>within the intelligence division in the military. These ZH>guys aren't weirdos, THEY FOUND SMETHING! Zach, You may be right on this...I am currently doing some checking with some reliable sources that I will name publicly at a later date...However it seems that One of my sources knows three of the named individuals fairly well, and states that the story the military is trying to give out to the press about Cults and killing the anti-Christ when he lands in a UFO on Aurgust the 6th at Gulf Breeze is a lot of rubish. I tend to agree with him. I will be up loading a report within the next week or so.. Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 21 Jul 90 20:27:00 GMT In a message to Michael Corbin <07-19-90 10:57> Zach Harman wrote: ZH> Care to comment on the fact that PARANET is a gov't ZH>controlled computer network and you're a paid dis ZH>information agent? Many people are beginning to feel this ZH>way, and I'm pretty curious. ZH> By the way, T.S. says hi! Hey Zach, You been spending the weekend at Bill Cooper's again? Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 270 Date: 21 Jul 90 20:31:00 GMT In a message to All <07-21-90 02:13> postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com wrote: po>...and then he doesn't tell us what his BBS number is!! po> po>For those of us on USEnet, Bill, could you _please_ post po>your BBS po>number? OOooops! My apologies...the BBS number is (505) 437-7198...I forgot that I didn't put the number in the origin line. All are welcome to call just let me know that your there. If you are members of Paranet let me know that to. Also if your sysops...... 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