Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 275 Tuesday, July 24th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Photo Analysis 6 Awols Found In Gb Informant Deserters Photo Analysis Re: Military Cult in GB? Re: INFORMANT Re: More Stuff.. Aliens? Re: INFORMANT Car Engines Dieing Re: Belgian UFO's photo analysis Re: ILL BREEZE Re: More GB Re: GB evidence chain Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: Military Cult in GB? Re: INFORMANT Re: INFORMANT Re: New UFOesque Vehicle Cooper and JFK ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Photo Analysis Date: 24 Jul 90 03:45:00 GMT I believe MUFON has someone on tap for photo analysis, don't have details at my fingertips, but could provide, if you're interested. Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: 6 Awols Found In Gb Date: 24 Jul 90 03:46:00 GMT > There may be absolutely no connection to the UFO case, but > 6 members of the 701st _M_ilitary _I_ntelligence _B_rigade, Very interesting analogy, MIB....Hmmmm... Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Informant Date: 24 Jul 90 03:52:00 GMT > Care to comment on the fact that PARANET is a gov't > controlled computer network and you're a paid dis > information agent? Many people are beginning to feel this > way, and I'm pretty curious. > By the way, T.S. says hi! hehehehehehehehehe.....Laughing so hard, almost crying! Maybe if that were true, I wouldn't have so much financial hardship, do you think? Give B.S. my fondest regards... Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Deserters Date: 24 Jul 90 04:03:00 GMT > Just prior to his retirement Clifford was sent on a > hardship tour to...you guessed it...the 103rd Intelligence > Battalion of the 701st Intelligence Brigade, in Augsburg, > Germany. During his tour over there he became intimately > aquainted with three of the deserters recently arrested in > Gulf Breeze, Florida. Clifford told me that on more than > one occassion the three would come to his quarters after > duty hours and discuss with him the subject of UFOs and > occassionally they would call him over to the tunnels at > brigade headquarters and show him bits and pieces of > information that they had gathered during the course of > their duties that dealt specifically with UFOs. Is there anyway of verifying Clifford's information? Let me know. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Photo Analysis Date: 24 Jul 90 04:06:00 GMT > Does anyone out there know where I can get some film > analysed? If so I need the name and adress, possibly a > phone number so that I can contact these individuals who > can do the work...Also a price if it is necessary... Contact me by voice. I can steer you in the right direction. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman) Subject: Re: Military Cult in GB? Date: 22 Jul 90 17:43:59 GMT DEFINITLEY keep in touch with me. I am a big fan of Cult study and the ILLIMINATI. I am dying to know, this is an important happening. -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 22 Jul 90 17:44:29 GMT Actually, been talking to T.S. Bennett alot! -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Re: More Stuff.. Date: 22 Jul 90 22:30:00 GMT SP>Just wondering if you are familiar with the yearly "MOst SP>Censored/under-reported news stories" report that comes out SP>of Sonoma State University? Every year they assemble a panel SP>of judges from around the country, and select the 10 best. Its SP>veeery interesting! Hmmmmm...Nope, can't say that I've heard of it but sounds like it would be pretty neat. Is it an extract or article that I could reference in my local library? I'd like to read up on that. BTW..Your local library is a *fantastic* source of info. If they don't have it..wander over to the "Books In Print" reference books (it's usually 2 red volumes) and look it up in there and give it to the librarian. They have what is called an "Inter-Library Loan Program" and I've used it often. The book(s) you request are sent directly to your home mail box and you can just turn them back in at your local "node" library. I *heartily* recommend it. -Don Allen- -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f17.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dream.Weaver@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Dream Weaver) Subject: Aliens? Date: 21 Jul 90 09:47:35 GMT Interesting article in the Lexington Herald/Leader a couple of days ago. I think it was a wire service story so most of you may have seen it in your local paper. It was about the five army inteligence personel who went awol from Germany to wait for the second coming of Jesus. It seems he is coming in a space ship and guess where he is coming to???? GULF BREEZE , Florida!!!! They were supposed to meet himnm in a few days on the beach. So get your cameras out and be ready. This should be the PHOTO event of the millienum Also there was something about them living in an undDf the erground shelter for the next three years, while the end of the world comes. Some country is supposed to start a war Aug 4th that will lead to the end of the world. Exciting times ahead folks!!! Marion E.Cox Lexington, Ky -- Dream Weaver - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Dream.Weaver@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 24 Jul 90 03:03:00 GMT >>If you think anyone could control a bunch of sysops..... Boy is that the truth!!!! -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Car Engines Dieing Date: 24 Jul 90 03:32:00 GMT On one of the "car-talk" shows last weekend there was a discussion of a problem someone had with their car dieing everyday in exactly the same spot on thier trip to work. The Host of the show said he had seen the same thing once before and it was due to electrical interference from a radar installation. Apparently it was strong enough to mess up the ignition system for that few hundred foot stretch of public highway. It was not clear if this was electronic ignition or regular. But it clearly was NOT a magnetic effect from what they said. It is interesting to me that the radar would have such a strong effect when the car body would be such a large metal shield around the igniton system. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Belgian UFO's Date: 23 Jul 90 22:04:00 GMT In a message to All <07-23-90 02:12> postmaster@scicom.alphacdc.com wrote: po>Could somebody send me a synopsis of the Belgian UFO po>situation? po>Eric Iverson po>Computing Research Lab po>Box 30001/3CRL po>New Mexico State University po>Las Cruces, NM 88003-0001 po>(505) 646-5711 Mr. Iverson, I am sorry I missed your return call to me. I had tried to call you with regard to the information that you requested concerning the Beligum UFO sightings. Kind Regards, Bill English -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: photo analysis Date: 23 Jul 90 22:06:00 GMT Does anyone out there know where I can get some film analysed? If so I need the name and adress, possibly a phone number so that I can contact these individuals who can do the work...Also a price if it is necessary... many thanks, Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 24 Jul 90 03:23:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-21-90 12:06> John Hicks wrote: JH> Now *that* was a great letter. Wish I could flame like JH>that. ;-) Yeah...me too Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 24 Jul 90 03:25:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-20-90 12:51> John Hicks wrote: JH>the segment depicted the investigators (forgot names) JH>dangling a *model* on a line from a stick in order to JH>provide control pictures for later analysis. This was at JH>the appropriate location and in Meier's presence. Yes, and later they gave the model to Mier as a gift. Some one later found it in his barn and started screaming hoax. Whether the case was a hoax or not, I don't know, but this model seemed to be the basis that the debunkers were using... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: GB evidence chain Date: 24 Jul 90 03:27:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-20-90 12:53> John Hicks wrote: JH> New book? Have I missed something? JH> I've seen a drawing that matches the model somewhere, but JH>if it wasn't in The Gulf Breeze Sightings, I can't think of JH>where. John, you are correct..I remembered that I saw the drawings in Commander Mosely's "Saucer Smear"....Hmmmmm...I wonder why Jim Mosely has taken such an adement stance in defence of Ed. It seems slightly out of character for him.. Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 24 Jul 90 03:37:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-20-90 19:27> Don Allen wrote: DA># God that's awful..why doesn't someone take this fellow DA>out DA>behind the "woodshed" and straighten him out? You could DA>betcha DA>that if it was me and he had done those things *without* my DA>permission and _on top of that_ LIED about it... Don, Suffice it to say that from what I am hearing from certain former members of Island Skywatch, Knell is facing a dip in extremely deep Poo Poo. As I understand it he was even selling copyrighted material recorded from Network TV Shows to include National Geographic Specials. DA>Well,suffice it to say..we would GO TO COURT. I'm sure DA>there are DA>some _legal_ things that could be done. >From my own point of view, I haven't the resources to file a law suit against him. Let the big boys do it... DA>What is Knell's problem? I and several others think that he was trying to make a quick name for himself at everyone elses expense.. DA>Maybe we should introduce Bill Moore and Bill Cooper to DA>Knell. Nahhh....I wouldn't insult Moore or Cooper that badly...and you know How I feel about them. Moore is a jerk, and Cooper is a lying opportunist, but I have yet to see any evidence of either of them being thieves....Hmmmm...on the other hand I have noticed that Cooper does "borrow" a lot from other authors..... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Military Cult in GB? Date: 24 Jul 90 03:41:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-22-90 10:43> Zach Harman wrote: ZH> DEFINITLEY keep in touch with me. I am a big fan of Cult ZH>study and the ILLIMINATI. I am dying to know, this is an ZH>important happening. Zach, recent developements are leading me to believe that the Cult story is nothing more than material released by the government to try and throw everyone off the trail. An interesting developement is that although the story is getting extensive coverage in the local media, the stories that were going out on the AP and UPI have been jerked off of the wires. Looks like someone is trying to minimise the coverage AND the damage. Also it looks as if someone is trying to keep to many questions from being asked... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 24 Jul 90 03:41:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-22-90 10:44> Zach Harman wrote: ZH> Actually, been talking to T.S. Bennett alot! Hmmmm....it works for me....(grin) Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 24 Jul 90 03:43:00 GMT In a message to Zach Harman <07-21-90 12:14> John Hicks wrote: JH> If you'd been looking long enough, you'd know that Mike JH>doesn't put out much information personally, but that it JH>comes from others, such as me. And I'm certainly not JH>government controlled. JH> If you think anyone could control a bunch of sysops, JH>think harder. from what I am hearing even Mike is having a hell of a time keeping us in check... -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: New UFOesque Vehicle Date: 24 Jul 90 03:46:00 GMT In a message to All <07-20-90 22:41> John Burke wrote: JB> If we keep coming up with things like this, the coming JB>years will bring us a staggering number of explainable JB>sightings! Phil Klass will by then be equipped with a list JB>of "explanations" that could fill a 100-meg hard drive. I keep waiting for Phil to admit that he's an Alien... Bill -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James Roger Black Subject: Cooper and JFK Date: 24 Jul 90 21:42:05 GMT I've just run across some information that may have some bearing on the Bill Cooper controversy. One of Cooper's wilder contentions is that President Kennedy was assassinated because he was going to blow the cover on MJ-12. A part of Cooper's claim is that Kennedy was killed by, of all people, his Secret Service driver. As Cooper himself put it in Los Angeles on 17 November 89: 'President Kennedy was killed by the driver of his car, his name was William Greer. He used a recoilless, electrically operated, gas-powered assassination pistol that was specially built by the CIA to assassinate people at close range.' This is crazy, right? Well, consider the following passage from 'Crossfire', Jim Marrs' encyclopedic survey of the present state of JFK-assassination research: '... based on films made during the assassination and eyewitness testimony, it is now known that immediately after the first shot, the brake lights on the limousine came on and the big Lincoln slowed to almost a standstill ... Contrary to his testimony, films show Greer looking over his right shoulder in Kennedy's direction for several seconds--in fact, until after the fatal head shot is delivered. Only then does Greer face forward and the limousine begin to accelerate.' [p. 245] Furthermore, in his discussion of the acoustic simulations conducted in Dealey Plaza in 1978 by the House Select Committee on Assassinations, Marrs says: 'Interestingly, a .38-caliber pistol was also fired from the Knoll, leading many researchers to speculate that the Committee must have received information leading them to believe a pistol may have been used in the assassination. However, at the time no one could explain why the pistol was test fired. Dallas police commented they were unaware of the Committee's desire to test fire the pistol until the day before the tests.' [p. 532] If memory serves, the Garrison investigation also concluded that Kennedy was shot in the face at close range by a pistol, though Garrison believed the shot was fired from a sewer manhole instead of from within the car. Obviously the way to test Cooper's hypothesis is to take a look at the famous Zapruder film and see for yourself. Unfortunately, the Zapruder film is itself suspect. As Marrs says: 'In 1971, author David Lifton was permitted to view an exceptionally good- quality copy of the Zapruder film in Time-Life's Los Angeles office. He said the rear of Kennedy's head in the critical moments following the head shot appeared to have been 'blacked out' and he discovered 'splices on the film' ... the Zapruder film was at the CIA's National Photo Interpretation Center (NPIC) possibly on the night of the assassination ... [there is] evidence of photographic retouching in some Zapruder frames.' [p. 69] Even to my untrained eye it is obvious that there are frames missing from the film, and the image of agent Greer at the crucial moment is curiously difficult to make out. This is NOT to say that Cooper is correct. It does suggest that Cooper (or the people behind him) is intimately familiar with some of the most obscure details of assassination lore, details known and understood only by the most dedicated assassination researchers--and, of course, by the government itself. There are some curious similarities between the 25-year JFK coverup and the 45-year UFO coverup. In both cases we have the government subscribing to transparently phony cover stories; in both cases we have active efforts by the government both to suppress the facts and to spread disinformation; in both cases private investigation has been hampered by media ridicule, dirty tricks, and the intimidation of witnesses; in both cases we have rumors of 'men in black' and mysterious deaths; in both cases we have strong hints that the intelligence agencies are in it up to their ears. 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