Info-ParaNet Newsletters, Number 276 Wednesday, July 25th 1990 Today's Topics: media ignoring end-of-world cult Project Blackbird Re: Photo Analysis INFORMANT Soviet Ufo Shootdown Re: More Stuff.. Re: Photo Analysis Re: Ed Walters Re: Recent Developments Re: INFORMANT Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB Re: Ed Walters GB Video Recent Developments Deserters Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB 6 AWOLS found in GB Re: more stuff.. Ed Walters Re: GB evidence chain Re: more stuff.. Car Engines Dieing Christensen Article (1/3) Christensen Article (2/3) Christensen Article (3/3) Re: Car Engines Dieing Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Re: ILL BREEZE Re: INFORMANT Re: SEALED CAMERA Controlling Sysops.. Car Engines Dieing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Shaffer Jr <72750.2335@compuserve.com> Subject: media ignoring end-of-world cult Date: 25 Jul 90 06:47:17 GMT I've encountered an interesting situation concerning the case of the AWOL men from Germany turning up in Gulf Breeze. Two local newspapers, at least one of which almost always prints any UFO or paranormal-type articles that come from the Associated Press, haven't printed a single word about the situation! Furthermore, an ABC television station that tends to run brief reports on UFOs from the network during its local news shows (they've been covering Project Blackbird lately, in fact) hasn't said a word about it. Granted, I haven't checked two other networks or the national network news programs, but it seems like there's an effort to keep the story from this area. And as I've said, it's not like the media in question haven't dealt with anomalistics before, even if to ridicule them sometimes. Very strange. Has anyone else noticed a complete lack of interest in what should be a very interesting story in their area? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim Shaffer Jr <72750.2335@compuserve.com> Subject: Project Blackbird Date: 25 Jul 90 11:18:58 GMT I just saw a report on Project Blackbird, a project to monitor fields in Britain for formation of crop circles. It seems that on the first night, no circles showed up in the fields under surveillance, but circles appeared elsewhere. This isn't the first time I've heard this phenomenon mentioned. It seems to point to pranksters, unless you really want to accept the UFO theory. It certainly DOESN'T point towards whirlwinds, 'magnetic vortices', or anything else of a non-intelligent origin. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill English) Subject: Re: Photo Analysis Date: 24 Jul 90 14:25:00 GMT In a message to Bill English <07-23-90 21:06> Michael Corbin wrote: MC>Contact me by voice. I can steer you in the right MC>direction. MC> MC>Mike I can't Mike, wife went nuts and cleaned my office area and now I can't find your voice number. We have only been married for three years, and haven't got each other trained right... Bill.. -- Bill English - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.English@f5.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: INFORMANT Date: 25 Jul 90 00:03:00 GMT > > Care to comment on the fact that PARANET is a gov't > controlled computer network and you're a paid dis > information agent? Many people are beginning to feel this > way, and I'm pretty curious. > By the way, T.S. says hi! > > Zach; Sure, and if you read Milton Coopers latest diatribe in the CAJI newsletter, I am CIA disinformation, UFO Magazine is run by the "Company", and Geez, we are all out to get him. BTW, tell TS that if he and Coop liked Part One, they are gonna LOVE the rest of the investigation in Part Two. Cooper is so far out, I think IMHO, he is skating on the "edge", or has already slipped over. Incidentally, I just got back from Vegas as I had to go over there in concert with my investigation on the "Whistleblowers". Cooper had originally been invited to speak at former Lt. Col. "Bo" Gritz's little "Freedom Call" weekend. Gritz had already gotten a belly full of Cooper, and with my Part One, Cooper was dis-invited. Now he is claiming that maybe the "briefing documents" he saw in 1972 during a "change in command at CINPACFLT" was to disinform HIM. In other words, all his information may be FALSE. Now, ain't that surprising???? BTW, if you thing ParaNet is controlled, I got so prime bottom land for sale. You interested?? And please tell BS that my check is late, will you? -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Soviet Ufo Shootdown Date: 25 Jul 90 00:55:00 GMT > From: James Roger Black > Please see if there is any way to get some kind of supporting material to substantiate this. It would be very interesting to see if there is any literature printed by the Soviet media regarding it. Thanks for the report. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f3206.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: More Stuff.. Date: 25 Jul 90 05:15:00 GMT Don, The only place I've seen the 'censored' stories is on a local bbs TC 714 599-6270. - File area E.....PC1989.ZIP 58k File area N.....Cens87.TXT 18k I have contact with a source and can find out where else the stories are available. I think you will enjoy them, they should be on everyones *must* read list. Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Photo Analysis Date: 25 Jul 90 05:20:00 GMT Bill, The only thing I found was the following- William Spaulding Ground Sauser Watch 13238 N. 7th Drive Pheonix, Az 85029 Excuse the two mis-spellings. I don't know how current the information is. I think the price is $25.00, but I suggest you contact them and find out for sure. Good luck, Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Ed Walters Date: 22 Jul 90 19:58:00 GMT Well, it looks like that model was a "plant", since the drawing paper used to make it seems to be identifiable as from a period after Ed moved out of that house. Anyway, to answer your question from a hypothetical standpoint, the model in question was not "easily found". It was hidden under some insulation in the attic. It could have been a "prototype" that was never photographed which Ed just forgot about. Since there were so many different types of objects photographed, it would be hard to keep track of all of those models. But... I think we're just beating a "dead horse" here "Will-burr!!" -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Recent Developments Date: 22 Jul 90 20:05:00 GMT Bill: I would think that after Moore's infamous "Vegas speech", Friedman would have to be trying like hell to distance himself from that guy, to keep his own reputation from being "tainted". That's probably why he had to really "bust his butt" on his "MJ-12 Final Report". Anything short of a genuine effort at analysis would have made him look suspicious. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 22 Jul 90 20:59:00 GMT Zach: You should have saved yourself the trouble of typing "T.S. says hi" at the end of your message. Most of us could see T.S. saying "hi" from between the lines. -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB Date: 22 Jul 90 21:06:00 GMT >Anyone have more? Sure Zach! T.S. has lots more of this crap. You might also want to check with Bill Cooper, too. He has his own bbs now, but remember the rules: bring your own straightjacket, no common sense allowed. -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Ed Walters Date: 22 Jul 90 21:11:00 GMT Tyson: After reading Jim Speiser's message, I'll take back what I said about the model being a "plant" and let my "hypothetical argument" stand. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f876.n115.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: GB Video Date: 23 Jul 90 00:45:00 GMT Well.. I guess my curiousity is a lot stronger than my fear, because if I saw one, I would try to learn as much from it than run away and face the "What was it" questions. -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: Recent Developments Date: 23 Jul 90 00:55:00 GMT BE> One of the most famous censors that I can possibly think of BE> was named ....Adolph Hitler.....there were many a literary BE> fire in those days.. Information is power- So I guess that's why Hitler wanted a lot of books burned.. he didnt want people to get themselves TOO informed. -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: Deserters Date: 23 Jul 90 00:59:00 GMT Well, if the Army wanted to dispell any media or other interest in the story of those six people from W. Germany, the perfect story is to paint them as the Anti-Christ fanatics as shown in some newspaper articles... This subject should be investigated deeply to make sure that this isnt a hoax or a misinformation attempt by the govt. -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Peek) Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB Date: 23 Jul 90 18:09:00 GMT ZH> WORLD". From what I piece together, they discovered the ZH> ALternative-3 plan and know what will be happening to the What is the ALternative-3 plan?? Are there files describing it?? Rich -- Richard Peek - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Peek) Subject: Re: 6 AWOLS found in GB Date: 23 Jul 90 18:10:01 GMT I'll see what I can dig up Rich -- Richard Peek - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Richard Peek) Subject: 6 AWOLS found in GB Date: 23 Jul 90 18:13:02 GMT Jim, I see you on CI$ some (I'm a big llurker. Do you use the news clipping service for research?? I'm considering this. -- Richard Peek - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Richard.Peek@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 24 Jul 90 06:11:00 GMT > Guess I'm going to have to go to B. Daltons and visit my copy of the > book again!! Jim, I still have to have you over one of these weekends. Its just been real busy lately, with the new job, and the trip to LA (just got back tonite). When I do, I'll show you the photo I mean. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Ed Walters Date: 24 Jul 90 06:15:00 GMT > If Ed had used a model, wouldnt it be plausible that he would have > BURNED or destroyed the model afterwards? Why keep a model in your own > house and so easily found? Unless that was the whole point... -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: GB evidence chain Date: 24 Jul 90 06:18:00 GMT > > I can't argue with that, but again the question is how in the heck did > it get into a house that Ed hasn't lived in or been in for a year? His whole argument is that the house was being shown for months and that ANYONE could have gotten in there to plant it. That "anyone" must include him. > > Ah never mind...there's other stuff that is happen right now that makes > me wonder if this whole thing wasn't a set up... And so it goes.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: more stuff.. Date: 24 Jul 90 06:30:00 GMT > > Since I don't think anyone can track an object that > > perfectly for such a lengthy shutter opening > > Unlikely but not impossible. Figure a shutter speed of around 1/2 > second. Wouldn't have to be perfect since the image wouldn't be > enlarged, as in printed from a neg. It'd be interesting to see how well > the sharpness of the object holds up in magnification. > So, OK, so like, let's magnify the sucker! And I think "unlikely" is the operative word here. Nothing's impossible. Its possible the aliens set the whole thing up to look like a hoax, just for giggles. But we always deal with likelyhoods in science. And you said yourself, its unlikely. I happen to think the word "highly" should be slipped in there, as well. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Car Engines Dieing Date: 24 Jul 90 06:34:00 GMT > On one of the "car-talk" shows last weekend there was a discussion of a > problem someone had with their car dieing everyday in exactly the same > spot on thier trip to work. The Host of the show said he had seen the > same thing once before and it was due to electrical interference from a > radar installation. Apparently it was strong enough to mess up the > ignition system for that few hundred foot stretch of public highway. It > was not clear if this was electronic ignition or regular. But it > clearly was NOT a magnetic effect from what they said. It is > interesting to me that the radar would have such a strong effect when > the car body would be such a large metal shield around the igniton > system. Fascinating...was this KFYI? I'd like to find out if more is known about this effect. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Christensen Article (1/3) Date: 24 Jul 90 17:36:00 GMT MUFON, 1990 - An Organization At Risk by Marge Christensen The Gulf Breeze case has recently come crashing down around the investigators and proponents of the case, and when the aftershocks cease and all of the pieces settle, there is a good chance that many of the fragments will have MUFON written on them. For the past three years, this case has torn Ufologists and UFO organizations apart, and it is likely that the damage will not be repaired in the near future, if ever. Can MUFON survive this crisis and salvage any semblance of credibility or is this the beginning of the end for MUFON? Let's examine the facts. In May, 1988, Walt Andrus stated (concerning the Gulf Breeze case) in the MUFON UFO JOURNAL, "...if the investigation discloses that a hoax has been perpetrated upon the UFO community, MUFON will be the first to acknowledge and announce this revelation." Then, in the August, 1988 MUFON UFO JOURNAL, Walt Andrus announced that it was no longer necessary to preface the Gulf Breeze Case with a disclaimer that it is either one of the most incredible cases in UFO history or a fantastically orchestrated hoax. Andrus concluded, "The overwhelming evidence is in. Gulf Breeze is indeed one of the most incredible cases in modern UFO history." He further commented, "Gulf Breeze is a solid case and you read it first in the MUFON UFO JOURNAL." At that time, in response to statements such as those quoted above, various persons in MUFON leadership positions, including this author, spoke out and called for a much more cautious and objective stand on the part of MUFON in regard to the Gulf Breeze case, at least until all of the evidence was in. In the December, 1988 issue of the MUFON UFO Journal, Richard Hall warned that Walt Andrus, Budd Hopkins, and Bruce Maccabee had apparently already had their minds made up and were helping Ed Walters to write a book. Hall pointed out, rightly so, that their approach "departs drastically from long-established scientific procedure (including published MUFON procedure)." At that time, I voiced similar objections to both Walt Andrus and Don Ware to no avail. Both of them responded that they felt that these sightings were proof of extraterrestrial visitation. They accused me of being too conservative, and Walt Andrus then announced the appointment of a new Director of Public Relations to replace me. Even more damaging comments are found in Ed and Frances Walters' book, THE GULF BREEZE SIGHTINGS, published this year by William Morrow & Co., Inc. In the chapter, "Investigation and Photo Analysis," Dr. Bruce Maccabee, optical physicist, writes: "Having studied these sightings `every which way' for more than a year I have concluded that they are proof of the existence of UFOs." Dr. Maccabee adds that UFO sightings have been reported for over 40 years but have been ignored or publicly disputed because of a lack of thoroughly convincing proof that UFOs are actually flying in our skies. Now, he adds, "that proof is here." [continued] -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Christensen Article (2/3) Date: 24 Jul 90 17:37:00 GMT In Appendix 3 of the book, Walt Andrus speculates on the solution to the UFO enigma occurring in Gulf Breeze and paints a possible scenario that might be unfolding. That scenario includes Ed Walters, "successful businessman and civic citizen was probably selected for the ultimate disclosure so that the events and evidence would be thoroughly investigated and hopefully accepted by the scientific community as factual and not easily ignored as an obvious hoax." Perhaps the most farfetched claim of all, though, is that of Donald Ware, MUFON State Director for Florida and Eastern States Director for MUFON. Ware's position statement on the Gulf Breeze sightings, published in Appendix 3 of Walters' book, reads as follows: "I am convinced that these sightings are proof of alien visitation. The level of technology demonstrated indicates they can come and go at will and can reside in a variety of places: the bottoms of our oceans, inside major high-altitude ice fields, in earth orbit, on the moon, on Mars, etc..." Ware adds that the feels that the UFOs deliberately allowed Ed to have 18 photographic sessions because the aliens want people to see the photographs. Clearly the statements above are not based on any scientific principles and are in direct contradiction to the MUFON policy page included in each year's MUFON UFO Symposium Proceedings. This policy page states that MUFON is "an international scientific organization composed of people seriously interested in studying and researching the UFO phenomenon..." It goes on to hail the MUFON Board of Consultants which is comprised mostly of PhDs and MDs in a wide variety of areas of expertise. It continues, "In order that only qualified, competent and sincere people may become involved, membership in MUFON is by invitation only." The statements of persons discussed above make a mockery of published MUFON policy and of all that MUFON claims to stand for. Furthermore, in light of the recent revelations regarding the hoax behind the Gulf Breeze case, the implications of these three individuals' statements are even more damaging to the credibility of the MUFON organization. In my opinion, it is bad enough that trained investigators, including a respected optical physicist and photoanalysis expert, and a former USAF Col. were totally deceived by a con-man such as Ed Walters. However, it is worse yet that these same trained investigators rushed to judgement and made such rash claims not only publicly, but in print. Moreover, these statements were made by these persons not merely as individuals, but as MUFON officers and investigators. Is this serious, scientific investigative methodology? Hardly. Furthermore, making these statements as MUFON representatives is a direct violation of the MUFON public information policy guidelines. In short, _the party's over and it's time for the charade to end._ [continued] -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Christensen Article (3/3) Date: 24 Jul 90 17:37:00 GMT Let's face the facts. MUFON is _not_ a serious, scientific research organization. Rather it has become nothing but a pop club for people with the mutual interest in reading good stories about UFO cases. In my opinion, it will not be possible for MUFON to be in reality a serious, scientific research organization unless there is new leadership of the organization. Since that appears to be extremely unlikely, I see no alternative but to resign from the MUFON Board of Directors and to resign the post of Director of Public Education at this time. Interestingly, at the 1988 MUFON Symposium at the University of Nebraska, in my paper, entitled "Hynek's Last Wish for Ufology," I suggested that the goal for ufologists to strive for in 1988 should be _professionalism_. I pointed out that the major UFO organizations do have established statements of values, standards, goals and objectives, but in many cases, the membership does not take them seriously. I further added that it isn't enough to pay lip service to these statements or to make the organizations appear scientific and professional on paper. We must make that commitment to put those statements and values into action in our work in the UFO field. Although I received a great deal of positive feedback on my paper from those in attendance, it is obvious that while MUFON leaders approved of the talk, to them it was just that -- talk. Unfortunately, there was no real commitment of action to back up the philosophy expressed in that paper. A highly respected colleague recently commented that MUFON is much more than these few individuals who have been acting in an unscientific manner. There are many people who are doing good work for us. The question now is: Are there enough good people in the organization to put MUFON back on course to renewed credibility and continued existence? -end- -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Car Engines Dieing Date: 24 Jul 90 22:08:00 GMT Yes, it was during the last half hour of Jeff Brooks show on KFYI. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Mag-> UFO UNIVERSE Date: 24 Jul 90 22:11:00 GMT I can understand that you might respect him on a personal level but cannot fathom how you could respect him on a professional level (of course, that is really a contradiction in terms when it comes to UFOlogy). Doesn't mean it has to be anything personal at all; many people have respect for people who are honest while haveing no respect for the positions that they take on issues. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ted.Bulmanski@f30.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Ted Bulmanski) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 23 Jul 90 14:12:00 GMT JS> sounds like it could be as high as S4/P5. But I am 100% JS> convinced that Ed's photos are a hoax. The idea that his What "PROOF" convinced you that Ed's photos are a hoax?? Ted -- Ted Bulmanski - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ted.Bulmanski@f30.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 23 Jul 90 19:35:21 GMT Last time I made a joke about someones BBS being run or monitored by the Government, My hard drive crashed! And it was just a joke between friends... Time before that someone was accused of being a Govt. agent and I defended them, by the gods, my monitor went blank. Well it's too late now, hope your fate is better than mine was. 8*) -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: SEALED CAMERA Date: 23 Jul 90 19:43:39 GMT I finally saw the book, and scanned the photos (without buying it) at the local Waldens. I can't believe it! I think the Japanese Lampshade theory explains it all. Sorry for being so blunt, and making unsupported statements (which are generally out of character for me) but the photos reek like a fish in the sun. My opinion only as I have to admit, but thinking about the scale, and distances, and sizes of the "UFOs" and perspectives etc. it's just very hard to believe this one. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Controlling Sysops.. Date: 24 Jul 90 20:04:11 GMT > >>If you think anyone could control a bunch of sysops..... > Boy is that the truth!!!! Heh, if they get out of hand, cut off their coffee makers. THat'll calm them down... -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Car Engines Dieing Date: 24 Jul 90 20:16:08 GMT > On one of the "car-talk" shows last weekend there was > a discussion of a problem someone had with their car > dieing everyday in exactly the same spot on thier trip > to work. I've read a good explanation for that.. > The Host of the show said he had seen the > same thing once before and it was due to electrical > interference from a radar installation. Apparently it > was strong enough to mess up the ignition system for > that few hundred foot stretch of public highway. I've picked some interference up on an FM radio from an airport on the way back from Amarillo once...some kind of pulsed "chrip\Tacan" emmissions, car didn't die tho'.. > It was not clear if this was electronic ignition or > regular. But it clearly was NOT a magnetic effect > from what they said. It is interesting to me that the > radar would have such a strong effect when the car > body would be such a large metal shield around the > igniton system. Apparently, the radar energy sets up an oscillating magnetic field on the car body, especially the hood. If the size of the engine compartment and hood are some particular dimension, the radar/EM-energy wraps around on the metal surface like a cavity resonator. This then causes some kind of standing wave in the spark-plug wires that interferes with the transmission of the High-voltage to the spark-plugs, and the car will sometimes sputter or "die"... I think that I read of this in Aviation Leak, but don't pin me down to this, I've slept since then.. -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@p22.f66.n147.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************