Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 284 Monday, August 6th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: INFORMANT Don Ecker's Foul Mouth Re: INFORMANT Don Ecker's Foul Mouth Re: Crop Circle Hoax Military deserters - GB Re: More GB Re: Deserters Mothman Re: ILL BREEZE Re: Gulf Breeze Six Re: Gulf Breeze Six Ufo's? Re: INFORMANT Re: Deserters Re: media ignoring end-of-world cult OUT THERE OUT THERE Re: Mothman exoglyphs Lazar-ium and more Ecker and MI Lazar-ium and more ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 2 Aug 90 18:00:27 GMT Don, do you think it really matter to me if you are an informant? The whole UFO story is a BIG JOKE now. Everything is hype. I only posted the message to see what your response was. The results are as follows..... 1) You attack my spelling error (intelligence) to gain an upper hand. 2) You should be removed from Paranet after your wise crack about "my head in my ass". I will follow this up to Mr.Corbin and use every means possible to remove you from this "professional" message area. You are obviously not a mature enough individual to handle the excitement here. -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Zach Harman) Subject: Don Ecker's Foul Mouth Date: 2 Aug 90 18:18:01 GMT >Zach; > > > > Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene. > > > > Tim Bennett will be happy to reply. I'll give him a > > call. In fact, give me your number and I'll have him call > > you, ok? > > > > >You misspelled Intelligence. See previous. - >I knew it was only a matter of time before something like this >was put out by either the BS Bennett or Billy Cooper crowd. - >Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!! >I really did try to give you time for you to realize how full of >bull shit the Cooper and BS Bennett crowd is. Well, I still have >that bottom land for sale. - >And just what ties me in with the Army Intelligence crowd? - >Hey Zach, pull your head out of your ass. Try thinking for yourself, >the experience may prove beneifical for you, and hey, you might even >like it. If not, try counseling. - >Don Ecker ( and in the backround..... from the old TV show >"Secret Agent Man" the refrain rings out from the loud speakers ) - > ***************B I G G R I N*********************** - I've seen smaller things posted and people kicked off this system. Are you going to allow people such as Don Ecker to personally insult other members of Paranet? Please consider my request. -- Zach Harman - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Zach.Harman@p0.f630.n283.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 4 Aug 90 17:16:00 GMT Zach Harman states; > Don, do you think it really matter to me if you are an > informant? The whole UFO story is a BIG JOKE now. > Everything > is hype. I only posted the message to see what your > response > was. The results are as follows..... Ok, you saw my response, and my remarks stand. > > 1) You attack my spelling error (intelligence) to gain > an > upper hand. > Well, if you are going to accuse me of being "Army Intelligence", at least spell it right. Geeze, everyone is Sooooooooo! sensitive. > 2) You should be removed from Paranet after your wise > crack > about "my head in my ass". I will follow this up to > Mr.Corbin > and use every means possible to remove you from this > "professional" message area. You are obviously not a > mature > enough individual to handle the excitement here. Ohhhhhhh, the temperature is rising!!!! Well Zach my Lad. . . wait till you see Part Two....... and if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, LOOKS like a duck, and has webbed feet and a bill, well them. . . . . must be one of Coopers "Secret Memos" he saw back in 1972, eh?? Don ( pull it out Zach ) Ecker -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Don Ecker's Foul Mouth Date: 4 Aug 90 17:22:00 GMT Ok Zach, once more I will quote your message that you resent, and I will ask you to READ IT. > > Zach; > > > > Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene. > > > > Tim Bennett will be happy to reply. I'll give him a > > call. In fact, give me your number and I'll have him call > > you, ok? > > > You misspelled Intelligence. See previous. > - > I knew it was only a matter of time before something like this > was put out by either the BS Bennett or Billy Cooper crowd. > > - > Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe!!!!! > I really did try to give you time for you to realize how full of > bull shit the Cooper and BS Bennett crowd is. Well, I still have > that bottom land for sale. > - > And just what ties me in with the Army Intelligence crowd? > - > Hey Zach, pull your head out of your ass. Try thinking for yourself, > the experience may prove beneifical for you, and hey, you might even > like it. If not, try counseling. > - > Don Ecker ( and in the backround..... from the old TV show > > "Secret Agent Man" the refrain rings out from the loud > speakers ) > - > ***************B I G G R I N*********************** > - > I've seen smaller things posted and people kicked off this > system. Are you going to allow people such as Don Ecker to personally > insult other members of Paranet? Please consider my request. > Ad hominem attacks are NOT allowed. If you accuse someone ( and in this case I mean me.....so as not to confuse anyone ) of being an "Army Intelligence type", and you should have said "MILITARY INTELLIGENCE, NOT ARMY" what is your proof. Now had I said YOU WERE AN ASS, you would have a gripe, however I said "pull your head out of your ass" what I meant was stop being so gullible, think for yourself, and do some research, don't just pull a Cooper or Bennett with empty accusations, slander, and innuendo, but PROVE what you are saying. Now if I insulted you, well as we used to say "Sin Loi". Don ( Head of ParaNet Security ) Ecker -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f22.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Crop Circle Hoax Date: 28 Jul 90 05:51:00 GMT No Way huh??? Words to choke on, no doubt!! -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Military deserters - GB Date: 28 Jul 90 05:53:00 GMT Local Radio talk show had on a couple (Vivian and Stan Johnson of Tennesse) who are friends of Ken, one of the 6 soldiers who went from germany to Gulf Breeze. He is the one who is 26 years old. THey have known him for a couple of years and he was at their house for Christmas dinner in 1989. The apparently are like a second set of parents to him. They met him when he came to them to get some photos made of a model UFO. He had written a sci-fi novel and wanted some UFO photos for it. He was "getting into" psychic things at that time and was looking for a psychic that he could feel comfortable with. As these folks put it "he was looking for one who would say what he wanted to hear." Ken did not desert from Germany. He was over here on a short term leave but failed to go back when his leave was up. He was also into fundemental/UFO based religion beleiveing that Christ arrived on a UFO. He beleived he was one of the few who was aware of this Christ/UFO connection. These surrogate parents basically told him that it was old news, that people had been speculating along those lines for years. He had come across the "Cooper Papers" and apparently swallowed it hook, line, and sinker believeing he was "in" on info that very few people were aware of. His surrogate parents told him it was bogus info but he would hear nothing other then what he wanted to believe. He knew that there was going to be a big UFO meeting in Gulf Breeze and went there in hopes of meeting his "hero" Bill Cooper. He had trained at the Base at Pensecola and was familiar with the area. He says that on Aug 1 there will be a big war break out, that on Aug 5 there will be a big reorganization in the military, and on Aug 6 a spaceship will come to Gulf Breeze for him and the others to take them to an underground base in New Mexico. He offered the Johnsons a seat on the spaceship. IMHO, these 6 guys are one brick short of a full load, much like their hero Bill Cooper. I don't find it terribly suprising that the military would want to detain them for a while to try and find out who all they have been talking to and what military secrets they may have compromised. Having people like that with top secret clearances is no joke. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: More GB Date: 28 Jul 90 06:08:00 GMT RE: HAze to distance ratio Yes John that makes a lot of sense. If you read some of the older books that detail some of the older photo analysis techniques that were used on some of the "Classic" cases you will find that they did a lot of that sort of analysis. The Military analysts (photo) for one short film spent MONTHS analyzing it. That was before the days of computers and stuff. I'm not sure we haven't moved backwards in our analysis techniques in some ways. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Deserters Date: 28 Jul 90 06:22:00 GMT It seems to me that the GB "thing" has reached the point where if a VW with Tennesse plates on it was to run out of gas at the same time as it's radio stopped working it would somehow be tied in to the UFO situation there. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marge.Christensen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Marge Christensen) Subject: Mothman Date: 2 Aug 90 01:13:00 GMT Mothman sighted in Reddington Pass area, three campers caught sight of the Pensevelanyia enigma Tuesday. The US forest service is investigating [D.{ .. The US conservation society stated that "Mothman like Bigfoot is an endangerd species. A massive search has been launched in the Bisbee area. -- Marge Christensen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Marge.Christensen@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 3 Aug 90 04:49:00 GMT > Just saying that most people, if they felt they were going to be > ridiculed and investigated as much as Ed has been, would never reveal > any evidence they had. > FJ Not even for $800,000? -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Six Date: 3 Aug 90 04:56:00 GMT > In a message to Michael Corbin <07-30-90 20:43> John Hicks wrote: > > JH> He said the reason they gave for coming back to America > JH>is to meet Bill Cooper. MUFON has supplied them with > JH>Cooper's address. > JH> *Now* it all makes sense. > > Hmmmm...It doesn't make any sense at all John, why would they want to > meet with Cooper? > Its my understanding that the leader of the clique got a hold of one of Cooper's files. Over there in Germany, Cooper is next-to-unheard-of, and so this guy apparently thought he was on to something big and secret and nobody knows and oooooooooooooo, this is hot! He shared it with his friends, and they came to the US to meet with this great mountaintop guru who was going to blow the lid off it all. I can see how it all happened, and how it can be connected with Gulf Breeze, without it being a significant development. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Gulf Breeze Six Date: 3 Aug 90 05:00:00 GMT > > Is there something wrong with Bill Cooper? > > Is there something right with him? -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Ufo's? Date: 4 Aug 90 01:38:00 GMT > But the biggest question is how do Ufo's > effect me, if they dont then who cares. "Confrontations" by Jacques Vallee just might hold some answers to that question. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: INFORMANT Date: 4 Aug 90 01:51:00 GMT > > Don Ecker is employed by Army Intelligene. > Note to Doug Rogers: I believe this qualifies under Paragraph 3 of the ParaNet Echo Policies, does it not? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Deserters Date: 4 Aug 90 05:14:00 GMT I don't find the story of them going to GB to see the anti-christ or whatever strange at all. Consider this - these guys, by some accounts were already turning into wacked out fundies over the last couple of years. Put that together with their jobs in intelligence. Put that together with their predictions of a war breaking out around Aug 1st. In my estimation the likely scenerio is that they, like most fundies, were looking for "signs" that the "end" is at hand. There is not the slightest doubt that the US had been tracking troop movements of the Iraqies and knew weeks ago that they were planning something and had pretty much figured out the timing. These guys got wind of the intelligence estimates and thought "wow, this could be it, the end is at hand" and figured that they really didn't have to worry about being deserters once the anti-christ or whatever landed. So, based on their intelligence info they made a good prediction about the war. Since that prediction was based on actual data it is likely that it will be the only prediction that works out for them. I think that that is pretty much what the military figured out after talking to them and thats why they just cut them loose - not much reason to prosecute a bunch of wackos when the important thing is to just get rid of them. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: media ignoring end-of-world cult Date: 4 Aug 90 05:17:00 GMT I've seen a couple of articles about the deserters in our local papers including an AP report after AP supposedly "yanked it off the wires". -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder) Subject: OUT THERE Date: 4 Aug 90 16:06:41 GMT In an article of <3 Aug 90 03:16:33 GMT>, 'MAJ ROBERT FLURY' writes: >Subject: OUT THERE > >Has anyone read a book called 'OUT THERE: The Gov'ts Search for ET' >by Howard Blum (Simon & Schuster, 1990)? No, but in the September 1990 issue of Penthouse, an excerpt from the book appears. The correct title is "Out There: The Government's Secret Quest for Extraterrestrials". Soon to be published by Simon & Schuster. As Howard Blum says, while he was doing research on the Walker spy case, an agent from the NSA mentioned a rumor about the gov't involvement with UFO's. At the time Blum wasn't interested but after his book on the Walker's was published this UFO rumor "was resounding unexpectantly through my consciousness." In this article Blum mentions 2 gov't groups; Project Aquarius and the UFO Working Group. Aquarius, which I had heard of before, was an operation which employed people called viewers. These viewers could see any part of the world through their mind's eye, and report what they were seeing as it was actually happening. In the article, a viewer was shown pictures of US and Soviet submarines and was able to pinpoint them on the globe by giving their coordinates. In a closed door session of intelligence and military people, one viewer was "looking" at a soviet sub and also saw a flying saucer directly above it. One of the generals at this meeting was also involved in an incident where a bogey entered earth space, performed "impossible" manuevers then disappeared. This general asked 3 viewers to look at this area of space and draw what was there a few days ago. Each viewer was seperated from the other and each sketched a flying saucer. I'll be looking for the book. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: OUT THERE Date: 4 Aug 90 09:48:00 GMT > Subject: OUT THERE > > Has anyone read a book called 'OUT THERE: The Gov'ts Search for ET' > by Howard Blum (Simon & Schuster, 1990)? Not sure its available yet, except to reviewers such as Phil Klass. Klass tries to explode it in his latest SUN (Skeptics UFO Newsletter), by saying it contained 25 factual errors in the chapter about _him_. Apparently Blum says Klass is "jaunty" and "pencil thin." "I've not been pencil-thin in 40 years," says Klass. If that's the only thing Klass can find fault with (but of course it won't be).... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Mothman Date: 6 Aug 90 03:51:00 GMT > Mothman sighted in Reddington Pass area, three campers > caught sight of the Pensevelanyia enigma Tuesday. The US > forest service is investigating [D.{ .. The US Marge, was this in Pennsylvania? If so, where in Pennsylvania? If Mothman -- a.k.a. The Jersey Devil, a.k.a. Springheel Jack -- is appearing in PA, some of us here would be interested. Many thanks! Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder) Subject: exoglyphs Date: 6 Aug 90 03:53:47 GMT In the abduct echo you had mentioned exoglyphs. Do you know where I can see examples of exoglyphs? Have any been reproduced in any books that you know of? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Lazar-ium and more Date: 4 Aug 90 19:03:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to Michael Corbin JH> You'd be amazed how many things I've come across that JH> relate to or are supposed to happen on Aug. 6. All kinds of JH> things, important to junk. ;-) I would just be happy to see it as the beginning of another work week. Unfortunately...I cannot. :( -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Ecker and MI Date: 4 Aug 90 19:05:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to Postmaster@Scicom.Alphacdc.Com ZH> YOU GUYS ARE ATTACKING ME, AND NOT MY POSTINGS. I do not ZH> believe that Don is a spy, or the Alternative 3 plans ZH> exists. I am just posting information. Perhaps they make it a habit of considering the *source*. >:-) -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: Lazar-ium and more Date: 4 Aug 90 22:05:00 GMT Well, I dont expect the media to cover much on what happens August 6th, (unless something BIG happens), so when August 6th has come and gone, can anyone post here about what (even insignificant) events happened then? -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************