Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 287 Saturday, August 11th 1990 Today's Topics: NOW we know why they come to Gulf Breeze! Re: Rep rips E.T. Re: Jfk Assassination Makes News Again (remote) viewers JFK Re: Jfk Assassination Makes News Again JFK ASSASSINATION gulf br news excerpts from sci.sceptic Re: New UFO Flaps Re: Jfk Assassination Makes News Again ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Will Martin Subject: NOW we know why they come to Gulf Breeze! Date: 10 Aug 90 15:22:06 GMT -+GULF BREEZE, Fla. (AP) -- Mayor Ed Gray is tired of his town being made a ^^^^ AHA! NOW we know why GB is such a popular spot for UFOnauts! They run the place.... :-) Will -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Will Martin Subject: Re: Rep rips E.T. Date: 10 Aug 90 15:22:52 GMT Would a good argument to use to someone espousing views like Conte be this? -- The relationship of supermarket-tabloid UFO and alien stories to the real SETI project and the actual possibility of extraterrestrials is equivalent to the relationship between the 'Rambo' movies and the Department of Defense and the actual needs of the country for military strength. You don't let the existence of 'Rambo' movies and silly war-story books or comics detract from the evaluation of the actual need for a defense establishment; equally so, you shouldn't let the existence of UFO-related wild tales or nonsense, or the fact that some deluded people believe they are in mental or physical communication with beings from other planets, affect a sober and rational evaluation of the possibility of extraterrestrial intelligent life. You are confusing obvious fiction with possible reality. *********** Regards, Will Martin -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Jfk Assassination Makes News Again Date: 10 Aug 90 06:00:00 GMT How did a full metal (copper) jacketed bullet leave lead fragments in Gov. Connelly's wrist? Commission exhibit #399 (i.e. Magic Bullet). I could go on and on.......Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: keith@pecan.cray.com (Keith A. Fredericks) Subject: (remote) viewers Date: 10 Aug 90 17:17:14 GMT It sounds like few of you on this mailing list have heard of the remote viewing experiments that have been performed. Some literature concerning this is: R. Targ and H. E. Puthoff, Proc. IEEE _64_, 329 (1976) R. G. Jahn, B. J. Dunne and E. G. Jahn, J. Parapsychol. _3_, (1980). Technical Note PEAR 83003, Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory, Technical Note PEAR 83003, Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory, Princeton University, August 1983 : Technical Note PEAR 88002, Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory, Princeton University, August 1989. I have spoken with a number of authors and contributors to this field and have participated in a remote viewing experiment. No remote viewing experiments have shown any limitations with respect to time or space. The other cases of this that might be considered just as wild as seeing a flying saucer are e.g. the precognitive remote viewing experiments and the (late 1800 or early 1900s) experiments of Leadbeater and Besant where they apparently remote-viewed at the subatomic level, describing many aspects of atomic structure that we now know to be true. Since SRI is both closely connected with the government and much of the original research went on there, the rumor appears to be plausable. -keith -- Keith Fredericks, Cray Research Inc., 655F Lone Oak Dr., Eagan, MN 55121 keith@cray.com (612)683-5489 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gene Gross Subject: JFK Date: 10 Aug 90 18:52:43 GMT I don't think all the evidence is in on Ricky White's claims. There seem to be a number of points that he hits on that make sense when looking at the event as a whole. Here is a piece of logic that you might find interesting. According to the official autopsy report on the President's body here is what happened. A bullet struck the President about in the middle of his back. The bullet then took a 90 degree angle turn up and for some reason took another 90 degree angle turn this time heading for the front of the President's body finally exiting from the throat area. A second bullet wound was found on the back of his skull. The autopsy doctors presumed that the massive wound to the front of his skull was the exit wound. The bullet that entered the President's back and exiting the throat was the same one that wounded then Governor Connaly. Remember that this bullet had already gone through the President's body making 90 degree angle turns. After exiting the President's throat, the bullet makes a turn of about 30 degrees downward and strikes Connaly in the wrist. The bullet passes through the wrist and enters the Governor's thigh. Later this bullet falls out of the wound and comes to rest upon the gurney which carried the Governor into the emergency room. The bullet was in near pristine condition. By all of this, the Warren Commission concluded that only two shots were fired. They were fired from the same weapon. And only one person was involved--Oswald. Now, I'd like to know what bullets he was using that would allow for such action (two 90 degree angle turns and a 30 degree angle turn). Further, since the bullet that was discovered was merely a jacketted lead bullet, why wasn't it deformed from impacting upon bones in the President and the Governor? Does anyone else find this odd? One more point. The claim that they have proven that Oswald could have carried out the assassination with the Italian Mannlicher is also suspect. The WC asked the 'experts' to test this out. So a track was set up and a stand was built to match the height that Oswald would have been at in the Book Depository. After some practice, the expert riflemen were able to hit the moving target. However, none of them were under the stress of making an actual hit. Plus, it took them several days to get good enough to hit the target when it was stationary, and several more days to make the first hit on the moving target. And these were men who practice with weapons all the time. Now consider Oswald up there is the depository window. He is sweating from nervousness. Hitting a target is always a time of high stress--no matter how much training you've done. Where do you suppose that he practiced to make such a hit? Did he have the funds to set up a mock-up of the area out in the country somewhere? From what is known, at best Oswald could only have fired at targets that were stationary. He certainly didn't have the funds to set up a mock-up of the area complete with a car and dummies. And he evidently didin't do that much practice. Now, Don Ecker can correct me if I'm wrong, but even the best need to practice on a regular basis to stay reasonably good with their weapons. But we are supposed to believe that Oswald, with little practice and under great stress, did what even the experts had trouble doing. Don, you still got that piece of property for sale? I've still got ocean front property in Arizona. Maybe we can make a sale if there are people who really do believe that Oswald made that hit. There are other things that have not been answered yet. If anyone wants to talk about them, let me know. I realize that this net is supposed to be for the paranormal and UFOs, but we are also dealing with government cover-ups. The assassination of President Kennedy is one of the biggest cover-ups of all times. Gene_O -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Frank.Cox@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Cox) Subject: Re: Jfk Assassination Makes News Again Date: 10 Aug 90 12:05:00 GMT It's very simple for a FMJ bullet to leave lead fragments in tissue. It simply fragments on impact. A FMJ bullet is not to be confused with armour piercing, much different assembly. I've used modern design FMJ that will separate on impact with most targets because of sloppy construction. FMJ design is for penetration granted, but a "cheap" bullet will separate quickly. As a matter of fact, the best design would separate at the best time, ie; after initial penetration of outer armour and in vital areas. Ballistics technology has come a long way in the last twenty five years. I would assume the FMJ bullets of the 1960's are not as reliable as they are today, as with any other bullet. The answer to you question would be if they found any jacket material near the entry wound. A separated FMJ bullet would leave copper fragments near the surface of the entry wound. -- Frank Cox - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Frank.Cox@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAK@cu.nih.gov Subject: JFK ASSASSINATION Date: 10 Aug 90 23:20:25 GMT From: John.Finney@f701.n362.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Finney) +There is one thing I seem to remember about the films of the assassination that +were shown on TV in later years, and from a photo in LOOK that I saw also. One +of the reasons I remember this was that the film was played more than once and +I can recall the commentators talking about how Kennedy's head went backwards, +then he slumped forwards. I also seem to recall that there was a spray of +tissues towards the rear of the car... not the front. A book you should read is _Best_Evidence_, by David Lifton. A new edition in trade paperback was recently released with autopsy photos (oooooo) and can sometimes be found packaged with a videotape. An interesting thing about the Zapruder film is that when stills were first published in LIFE, two of the frames were printed in the wrong order and their appearance in that wrong order was used to reassure readers that there was a lone assassin firing from the rear. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Yeager Subject: gulf br news excerpts from sci.sceptic Date: 10 Aug 90 23:21:12 GMT Newsgroups: sci.skeptic Subject: Re: New UFO Flaps Message-ID: From: eiverson@nmsu.edu (Eric Iverson) Date: 21 Jul 90 20:52:14 GMT Sender: news@NMSU.edu References: <25183@nigel.udel.EDU> Organization: NMSU Computer Science In-reply-to: eiverson@nmsu.edu's message of 21 Jul 90 17:23:21 GMT Lines: 161 Here's an update on the Gulf Breeze End of the World gang: -+From the (Portland, OR) Oregonian, Thursday, July 19, 1990 Why did 6 GIs desert posts in Germany? Apparently to meet UFOs By Nolan Walters Knight-Ridder News Service WASHINGTON -- Six U.S. soldiers, who apparently deserted sensitive intelligence posts in West Germany, may have believed they were chosen to greet alien spaceships and lead humanity to a science fiction-style heaven, according to friends and acquaintances. The group has puzzled authorities since a note was found in their quarters that contained Biblical referenced and the words 'End of the World.' Mention of a possible 'End of the World' cult at a Pentagon briefing Tuesday has spawned a frenzy of media speculation. Now, after being detained at Gulf Breeze, Fla. -- the site of a rash of recent UFO sightings -- the five men and one woman are being held in isolation and debriefed by the Army at Fort Benning, Ga. 'They believe that Jesus is an astronaut,' said one man who sold them a van. The group member, in fact, believed in an offshoot Christian belief called the 'rapture,' said Stan Johnson, a friend of the apparent group leader. He described it a a 'combination of science fiction and fundamentalist Baptist beliefs.' Rapture is the second coming of Jesus Christ, in which he returns to Earth to take the believers with him and the rest of Earth would be destroyed. This group, though, believed Jesus was an alien and would return in a spaceship for the chosen. 'How can I phrase this: Jesus Christ drives a spaceship,' Johnson said. 'They were apparently convinced that the aliens had chosen them as the chosen few to be on hand when they reclaimed the Earth,' he said. While the military is investigating the incident with apparent intensity, there has been no evidence that national security was compromised. 'This does not appear to be an espionage case,' said a Pentagon spokesman. The bizarre chain of events began in late May or early June when Johnson, a Bybee, Tenn., photographer, got a cal from his longtime friend Kenneth G. Beason, 26, from Augsburg, West Germany, where he was stationed. Johnson said he had met Beason a few years ago when he'd asked to have some spaceship models photographed. They became friends and often talked of science fiction and philosophy. 'Other than an interest in science fiction, he's perfectly normal,' Johnson said. 'Basically what has happened is his imagination has interwoven with reality.' Johnson said he met Beason and another soldier, Michael J. Hueckstaedt, 19, at the Knoxville airport and helped them buy a used Volkswagen van on July 7. Bill Grant, a neighbor, sold them the van for $800, but now, 'I'd give them $1,600 just not to have my name on it,' he said. The two soldiers planned to meet the other group members in Chattanooga, Tenn., then drive to meet the first spaceship landing at Gulf Breeze on Aug. 6, then continue on to New Mexico, where 'something else was going to happen,' Johnson said. The spaceship's arrival would be heralded by war in Lebanon and a shakeup of the U.S. military, Johnson said he was told. The group's plan was based on psychic messages being received by another group member they identified as 'Vance,' Johnson said. But they denied they were AWOL, or absent without leave, Johnson said, and they became 'almost belligerent' when he tried to dissuade them from the trip. The six were detained early Saturday, after Gulf Breeze police stopped their van. They put the driver's name through a national crime computer, and he turned up AWOL, Police Capt. Kenneth Hicks said. Gulf Breeze has recently been the focus of national interest by believers in UFOs since the publication of a book called 'The Gulf Breeze Sightings.' -------------------------------------------------------------------- GULF BREEZE, Fla. (AP) -- Six soldiers who disappeared from a classified intelligence unit in West Germany and believed to be members of a mysterious group called 'The End of the World' have been caught in Florida. The five men and one woman, caught over the weekend in this Florida Panhandle city, were being held at Fort Benning, Ga., pending a counterintelligence investigation. However, Bob Hall, a spokesman for Defense Secretary Dick Cheney, said the counterintelligence investigation is being conducted as a matter of routine because the soldiers had access to classified information. 'The Army says this does not appear to be an espionage case,' said Hall. Maj. Joe Padilla, an Army spokesman at the Pentagon, said he had no information about 'The End of the World' group except that the six are apparently members. He could not say if it has any significance in the investigation, or how and when the Army came to know of their affiliation. 'I've heard of a lot of cults but this is a new wrinkle,' said Gulf Breeze police Chief Jerry Brown. Dallas Blanchard, a sociology professor and cult expert at the University of West Florida in nearby Pensacola, said he hadn't heard of the group. All six soldiers were Army intelligence specialists assigned to the 701st Military Intelligence Brigade at Augsburg, West Germany, Padilla said. He wouldn't say exactly what jobs they performed but that their training was in analyzing foreign communications. The Army hasn't filed charges against the six soldiers, Padilla said. He said an absent-without-authorization allegation could encompass either absent without leave or the more serious charge of desertion. The disappearance came to the attention of military authorities on July 9, Hall said. Brown said that is the date they arrived in Gulf Breeze. Hall and Padilla said they didn't know how the six got to Florida from Germany. The absent soldiers had been staying with two Gulf Breeze women, Brown said. One of the women had met one of the male soldiers last year in Gulf Breeze and struck up a friendship. He called her and asked if the group could stay with them for a few days, Brown said. They were caught after one of the men was stopped by a police officer Friday night because the taillights on the van he was driving weren't working, Brown said. The man had no driver's license and warrants showed he had been listed on Thursday as wanted for desertion from the Army, the chief said. After officers called security police at the Pensacola Naval Air Station to pick up the man, the Navy called back to say he was traveling with five other soldiers also wanted for desertion or being absent without leave, Brown said. Soon after, representatives of the FBI, the CIA and the National Security Agency called his department as well, Brown said. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Iverson Internet: eiverson@nmsu.edu Computing Research Lab Box 30001/3CRL Life is something to do when New Mexico State University you can't get to sleep. Las Cruces, NM 88003-0001 -Fran Lebowitz (505) 646-5711 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Peterson) Subject: Re: Jfk Assassination Makes News Again Date: 11 Aug 90 03:42:00 GMT Frank, I agree with your message, and thats the whole point. Commission exhibit #399 is NOT fragmented, it's commonly described as 'pristine', the copper jacket is totally intact, with no breaches. If you're interested, I can provide weights (in grains) of the magic bullet and Connelly lead fragments. I can't show you a picture, on this medium yet, but can provide references, with photographs...............Steve -- Steve Peterson - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Peterson@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************