Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 295 Wednesday, August 29th 1990 Today's Topics: Indian Point 3 (none) One nit to pick with NIGHT SIEGE's author... Prophecy lights lights Re: Scott Rogo Re: Scott Rogo Prophecies Re: ILL BREEZE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder) Subject: Indian Point 3 Date: 25 Aug 90 18:56:45 GMT In a message of <24 Aug 90 00:00:02>, John Hicks (1:363/29) writes: > Very interesting. I think we can safely assume that the Hudson Valley >ufo isn't any kind of super-spiffy stealth bomber. I never could buy that argument. I would like to think that our military would be smart enough not to fly a nuclear powered craft over a functioning nuclear reactor, let alone a highly populated area. But one can never be to sure of what's in the mind of the military. > BTW, I have an abduction file written by Phil d/l from CI$. Do you have >it? I have one dated in 1988. Probably the same one. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: REVJIM@mtus5.cts.mtu.edu Subject: (none) Date: 27 Aug 90 14:12:19 GMT Has anyone out there heard anything new on the strange patterns being created in the wheat fields of England? The local news in Detroit had a segments that researchers were spending a month there, but I haven't heard anything in the past few weeks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom Betz Subject: One nit to pick with NIGHT SIEGE's author... Date: 28 Aug 90 07:35:14 GMT This was fascinating reading, but Phil made one clear factual error that only serves the debunkers, and should be corrected: +We had these people draw the outline of the shapes of the planes that they +saw. The drawings were all very similar,so we sent them to two pilots that +we know. One is a ex-military pilot,the other a ex-commercial pilot who +used to fly missions for the CIA.All of our aircraft experts and our two +pilots agree that the desgin was that of an O-2 type aircraft. The O-2 is a +medium duty aircraft with a single engine. It is made by Cessna Aircraft. This is half right -- the O-2 is the military version of the Cessna 337 Skymaster, which any aviation buff will tell you has +two< engines, mounted inline on the fuselage, one pushing, and one pulling. It is this feature, along with its twin tail booms, that gives the plane its distinctive appearance. It is also true that this airplane is favored by the CIA. Also by our clients in South and Central America... it's great for strafing small villages. I'm still digesting the rest of this file, but I was saddened to see this obvious error. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: Prophecy Date: 25 Aug 90 04:28:00 GMT Rich where did you get theses predictions at? Nostradamus stob by and drop off a copy of his latest guesses. Not trying to be sarcastic but i here so many bad things on people who listen to prophecys that it is unreal. Mike Keithly -- Mike Keithly - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: lights Date: 27 Aug 90 04:10:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Local" * Originally from John Hicks * Originally dated 08-24-90 23:13 I saw something odd in the sky Friday night. A semicircular pattern of lights against the cloud deck. The lights were illumination on the clouds, rather than point-sources. The apex was pointing roughly northeastward. Anyway, here goes. From the west shore of Lake Cherokee (just SE of downtown), on a bearing of about 200 degrees, elevation of about 45 degrees, subtending about 20 degrees. >From about 10:35 pm to about 10:45 pm. Six illuminated patches of cloud in a semicircular pattern. No visible illumination from below. Searchlight beams were seen emanating from about 20 degrees further eastward, and the beams were clearly visible. No beams were seen causing the spots. I watched the pattern for about 10 minutes, and didn't notice any movement. Because of the cloud deck, I couldn't see anything above the clouds. The dog got too antsy and I had to take him on inside. I went back out and the pattern was gone. I'm not familiar with what's down in that area, so I don't know of anything on the ground that would have caused the pattern. I can imagine a semicircular pattern of searchlights aimed straight up, but I didn't see the beams. I've never seen the light pattern before. Odd. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: lights Date: 27 Aug 90 06:40:00 GMT JH> I saw something odd in the sky Friday night. A JH> semicircular pattern of lights JH> against the cloud deck. JH> The lights were illumination on the clouds, rather than JH> point-sources. The apex was pointing roughly northeastward. JH> Six illuminated patches of cloud in a semicircular JH> pattern. No visible illumination from below. Searchlight JH> beams were seen emanating from about 20 degrees further JH> eastward, and the beams were clearly visible. No beams were JH> seen causing the spots. JH> I've never seen the light pattern before. JH> Odd. That is odd. Back in 1982, I was a little early for work, so I had a chance to wander around outside the building I worked in at the time as I had 15 or so minutes to kill. I looked up at the sky and noticed something really strange and unusual that I've yet to see since then. What I was viewing was a cloud formation that covered the eastern portion of the sky and the clouds were in seven EXACT finger-like shapes entending outwards like a giant hand. The early morning sun's red illumination backlit the whole thing and as I was watching this I had the distinct impression that it was NOT the "normal" cloud formation that one usually sees. It was very odd and I've not forgotten that all these years. This was off Howell Branch Rd close to Hwy 436. Maybe "someone" is trying to get our attention? Don Allen -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Scott Rogo Date: 23 Aug 90 03:54:00 GMT > Don, I hope we can get some updates from you on the progress of the > investigation into Scott Rogo's murder. This makes three homicides > within the UFOlogical community within the past six months -- a cause > for concern among all of us, I'm sure. Three? Scott Rogo, Stacy Borland, and....who else? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Scott Rogo Date: 29 Aug 90 03:43:00 GMT > Three? Scott Rogo, Stacy Borland, and....who else? Well, Stacy Borland died in a double murder. I believe the other victim was her brother, yes? (Not sure.) Thus the number. Leaving aside for the moment the strange death of Dr. M. K. Jessup in 1959 of course. Best, Clark PS -- Jim, do you know Bob Emmenegger? I'm trying to find out if he's the same Bob Emmenegger I grew up with long ago & far away in Garden City, Long Island. Reply by email if you like. Thanx! -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: Prophecies Date: 28 Aug 90 04:38:00 GMT Okay what is the source of the Prophecies posted here awhile ago just curious if it was someone from the past or a bunch of guesswork. MIke Keithly -- Mike Keithly - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: ILL BREEZE Date: 24 Aug 90 07:37:00 GMT > I believe I stated in my original post that I was not defending Ed, but, > in response to your message, was Ed believed in the beginning or was he > immediately called a kook or fraud? > Having tracked this case almost from the beginning, I can tell you that it was given serious consideration by most folks at first. Around April of 88, a special edition of the International UFO Reporter editorialized that extreme caution was warranted, due to some of the complaints commonly voiced today, such as the "hokey" look of the photos, the non-symmetry of the object, and the overall (no pun intended, Zan) shakiness of Ed's story. What caution that editorial engendered seemed to be thrown to the wind after Bruce Maccabee's presentation at the MUFON Conference in Lincoln that year. It seemed to be an impressive case after all, even to me. A couple of folks at CUFOS even raised their eyebrows. But since then its been pretty much downhill. More accurately, the fissure it has caused between groups, and even members of the same group, has widened drastically. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************