Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 304 Thursday, September 20th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Betz comment Bermuda Triangle designs Re: Mystery Teletype "extortion" letter Re: designs Re:Berm Triangle. Re: TELETYPE MESSAG Re: Mystery Teletype Bill Cooper's Book Re: Bermuda Triangle,Etc Re: OUT THERE by Blum Re: Betz comment Me Re: Oprah Winfrey Transmission of GIF files? KECKSBURG INCIDENT Kecksburg UFO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: Betz comment Date: 15 Sep 90 15:58:00 GMT > O-2's, supposedly a well-known CIA plane. I was under the > impression that the O-2 was simply a commonly used training > craft. The O-2 has enjoyed widespread use by the military ('Nam etc) and, presumably, by the spooks. It was favored for FAC use because of its fast twin-engine design. It is distinctive, with push-pull engines and twin booms. In civilian life it's a Cessna Skymaster. At Patrick AFB, O-2s were frequenly used for training, and simply to get flight time, but were phased out several years ago in favor of a more conventional and more powerful twin-engine airplane. The new airplane is, I believe, an OV-10, but I'm not sure of that designation. It's also twin-boom. At night, or even daytime at a distance, the O-2 would be difficult to distinguish (looking horizontally) from, say, a Cessna 150. You could probably find a Skymaster at most any airport. The O-2s at Patrick were commonly painted flat greyish-black and had black markings (as were most aircraft at PAFB). Nothing secret about them, though. Anyway, the big things about the O-2 were its greater speed and twin-engine safety. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Bermuda Triangle Date: 15 Sep 90 16:01:01 GMT > When did all of these discoveries occur i have heard nothing on > finding the Lost Flight! A single similar aircraft was found about 40 miles southeast of Cape Canaveral several years ago, but couldn't be salvaged at the time. Haven't heard anything since then. John Myrhe was the discoverer, but a journalist recently trying to contact him found disconnected phone numbers. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: designs Date: 15 Sep 90 16:06:02 GMT The local news had an interesting bleep last night about huge designs found on a dry lake bed in Oregon. Supposedly the design is a Hindu symbol of some sort. Also, supposedly, survey markers were found. Has anyone heard anything else? jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype Date: 16 Sep 90 05:31:00 GMT > Ah-hah! That's different, and less interesting. According to a MUFON investigator in Pensacola, TV stations and other publications received similar letters. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: "extortion" letter Date: 16 Sep 90 05:35:01 GMT > Is this letter the "mystery teletype" letter or is there > another one around? UFO magazine says this letter was > accompanied by 2 UFO photos. Has anyone seen these photos? What > do they show? The Gulf Breeze Sentinel (one of the recipients) published the letter and the two photos. The material arrived via US Mail. The photos show a disc-shaped object against a sky background, with a treetop to one side of one picture. One object could easily be a frisbee, the other is not. Both photos could have been "lifted" from many publications without undue effort. The letter was typed in a "Teletype" style, but arrived in the mail. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: steve.rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (steve rose) Subject: Re: designs Date: 16 Sep 90 19:02:39 GMT > Supposedly the design is a Hindu symbol of some sort. > Also, supposedly, survey markers were found. Now if we could just teach the UFO's to draw that way, instead of destoying wheat fields...we'd all have something. :-) -- steve rose - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: steve.rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re:Berm Triangle. Date: 17 Sep 90 16:03:01 GMT > John where do you get this information on the Bermuda Triangle? The specific info about John Myrhe finding the TBM was in a big article in Florida Today newspaper a couple of years ago. I think mainly because he was a local guy. You're right, though. There sure isn't much of anything in the regular news media. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: TELETYPE MESSAG Date: 17 Sep 90 16:05:02 GMT > Yes there is a modem card for demodulation of SW signals. Back All you need is the usual card, software, and the appropriate radio receiver. You can then copy mil RTTY. Of course, you may not be able to descramble it...... The gear's fairly expensive, but not prohibitively so. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype Date: 19 Sep 90 05:03:00 GMT > According to a MUFON investigator in Pensacola, TV > stations and other publications received similar letters. Hi John. I overlooked the obvious question: Where were the letters postmarked? Any idea? Enjoyed your writings in UFO magazine -- I don't know what to think about the model. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brian.Clark@f11.n289.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Brian Clark) Subject: Bill Cooper's Book Date: 19 Sep 90 15:20:00 GMT Has anyone had a chance to see a pre-release of Bill Cooper's new (and I think only book) "Behold a Pale Horseman"? There is a faculty member going to fringe science convention next week where 3,000 pre-release copies will supposedly be available - she will try to pick us up a copy. In the meantime, I believe the release date is listed as Feb. of 1991. Any comments? Brian Clark -- Brian Clark - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Brian.Clark@f11.n289.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tina.Hummel@p0.f80.n120.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tina Hummel) Subject: Re: Bermuda Triangle,Etc Date: 17 Sep 90 18:08:25 GMT Hi Mike!! I'm inquiring on how to become a member of Paranet. There was someone else who put their opinion of the Bermuda Triangle on the board and they said that they felt that authors of the books written made it up to fit in their books. I personally do not feel that way. There are alot of things in this world that people cannot explain and they try to push it off with some reason just to have an explanation for it. The unknown has always interested me and the Bermuda Triangle is something I believe in and is something I have always wondered about. I would like to talk to you more about it sometime. -- Tina Hummel - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tina.Hummel@p0.f80.n120.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: OUT THERE by Blum Date: 17 Sep 90 06:02:00 GMT I seem to recall that 10 or 15 years ago there were a few newstories in the papers about the US Gvt doing some remote viewing experiments but as I recall, they never panned out. OF course, one can suppose that they only said it didn't work in order to keep it a secret. Doen't seem like it would be much use though if you have something you can't use. If the US could do remote viewing why didn't we use it to rescue the hostages; one of the main problems is figureing out where they are. What I have read of the non-military remote viewing experiments is that they basically don't seem to work when performed under controlled conditions. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Betz comment Date: 15 Sep 90 08:06:00 GMT Jim: JD> ... they were O2s ... In case some people reading this are wondering if there are some UFOs that look like oxygen tanks or something ... the O2 airplane is basically a Cessna Skymaster, which you can see on the cover of this month's issue of _Plane & Pilot_ magazine. They go for 275k. So if the "Night Fliers" screw up and collide while trying to fake like a UFOesque object in the sky -- it will cost the gov't. over half a mil' for the loss of the planes alone -- not to mention possible injuries to innocent bystanders. The taxpayers oughta' raise hell! -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Me Date: 15 Sep 90 08:26:00 GMT Greg: If I may be of some help ... there seems to be an "I hate ParaNet Support Group" forming on the FidoNet UFO echo, comprised of people who feel that they have been persecuted for presenting "divergent" viewpoints on this system. You may note that many of them have started their own echos on the FidoNet system. Human nature being what it is ... that is one way to make sure you always feel comfortable about posting messages. Have fun! -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Oprah Winfrey Date: 15 Sep 90 08:42:00 GMT John: Here's another area where Blum seemed to be way off on the facts ... Now correct me if I'm wrong about the currently popular estimates for these figures: But ... aren't there supposed to be about 200 billion stars in our galaxy and about 100 million galaxies in the universe? I forgot what Blum's figures were, but I remember from his discussion about the Drake equation (or somewhere around there in the book) he had some numbers that seemed to be *way off* anything that I'd ever heard of before. Did you notice that? -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f20.n1011.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: valley!stan@rand.org (Stanley L. Kameny) Subject: Transmission of GIF files? Date: 20 Sep 90 15:14:30 GMT In article of <15 Sep 90 02:45:13 GMT>, Paul.Faeder@p0.f0.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder) writes: + To: + >could do a few -- my only problem would be transmitting the final + >product, + >as I'm only hooked up to ParaNet via Internet gateway... would these + >pictures be available by anonymous FTP or is there another way? + Mark; + I call CIS about once a week. If there is a way to attach a MS/PC-DOS + file to CIS E-mail, you can do that and I'll circulate it through the + ParaNet file distribution system. My CIS user ID is 73257,244. + Paul Faeder Mark and Paul: To transmit a binary file over E-mail, you have to encode it into ASCII, and the easiest way to do this is to uuencode it before transmitting it, and to uudecode it at the receiving end. Programs for uuencoding and decoding are easy to come by for any computer. It should be possible to acquire them through Compuserve. Stan Kameny valley!stan@rand.org {uunet}!randvax!valley!stan -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ZAK@cu.nih.gov Subject: KECKSBURG INCIDENT Date: 20 Sep 90 15:16:33 GMT Caught _Unsolved_Mysteries_ last night (Kecksburg crash), and couldn't help wondering two things: 1. Why has it taken all these years for these people to come forward? They weren't, after all, military people who could face court martial for talking about what they'd seen. Nor were they lone witnesses. If the dramatization was in any way accurate, the witnesses would have had the benefit of group experience to convince them that they were not hallucinating, misinterpreting, or misremembering the incident. 2. Where in the hell in Pennsylvania did this happen when there are leaves on the trees in December and people can run around comfortably in short-sleeved t-shirts? At least the mystery men in with the Geiger counter were wearing trenchcoats! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Squires@f11.n289.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Squires) Subject: Kecksburg UFO Date: 20 Sep 90 03:22:58 GMT I saw the Unsolved Mysteries episode on the Kecksburg incident. I couldn't help thinking how similiar the craft looked to the early Russian space capsules. I know that the Russian's had an accident where at least one capsule decompressed with the astronaut or astronauts inside died and were just left in orbit. -- David Squires - via FidoNet node 1:30163/0 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Squires@f11.n289.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************