Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 312 Friday, October 5th 1990 Today's Topics: Re: Mystery Teletype Kecksburg Ufo Re: KECKSBURG INCIDENT Re: Mystery Teletype UFO advocate gets his day in court strange aircraft sighted in western U.S. Re: Mystery Teletype Re: Kecksburg Incident Re: Kecksburg Incident Re: Bill Cooper's Book Re: Mystery Teletype Gulf Breeze ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype Date: 2 Oct 90 16:19:00 GMT MC> What about the possibility that has been raised that the MC> model is on a pole? That seems logical except that during the object's motions, its apparent altitude never varies more than one to two video scan lines. If you consider that video is interlaced, that's just about the amount of displacement caused by successive frames. I think, logically, it would be impossible for anyone to hold up a pole and walk around and not get more altitude variations. Also, the horizontal motion is consistent; that is, if it was a model on top of a pole, it wasn't waving around. I looked closely at a copy of the video several times, and I think what caused the blinking streetlights was a foreground bush. I think I could see some kind of dim bush shape. There's one point where the streetlights seem to move, and I believe that was caused by Ed moving from one side of the bush to the other so his view wouldn't be blocked. If you can, get ahold of a copy of Maccabee's analysis of the video. It's interesting reading. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Kecksburg Ufo Date: 2 Oct 90 16:19:01 GMT MC> How are things your way? Pretty good. It's amazing how many people locally are interested in ufo-related stuff. I had no idea. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Allen.Roberts@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Allen Roberts) Subject: Re: KECKSBURG INCIDENT Date: 3 Oct 90 10:36:11 GMT I don't know how we can heighten people's awareness. And I wouldn't count on pressuring the Government as the way to get things going. I am certain this is basically a highly classified program whose security requirements are similar to other classified programs on which I have worked. We have to sign a paper saying we will never say anything about it, even if the whole world learned of it the very next day. This paper will be kept for 70, yes 70 years regardless of whether we are alive or not. And if we talk then we will go to jail or worse. That's why you hear of many many people only talking about whatever they saw or learned after 40 years or so have gone by and they are on Social Security. They figure what can the Govt do to me now. -- Allen Roberts - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Allen.Roberts@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype Date: 3 Oct 90 20:04:00 GMT CM> Very intesting indeed. What does Lee Elder and/or his wife CM> say about this? Dunno. I'm not really up on the Meier case. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Stager@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Stager) Subject: UFO advocate gets his day in court Date: 4 Oct 90 16:58:00 GMT 10/02/90 UFO advocate gets another day in court RICHMOND, Va. -- An Army publicist who claims he received a poor job evaluation because of his off-duty efforts to expose military UFO coverups argued before a federal appeals panel he needs an injunction to protect him from his supervisors' ire. But a three-judge panel of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals suggested Tuesday the entire case may be unnecessary since the offending evaluation had already been excised from Larry Bryant's file. Bryant, 52, a 32-year civil service veteran from Alexandria who works as a civilian editor for the Army News Service, claimed his First Amendment right to free speech was violated because his job rating was based in part on his longtime interest in UFOs and the military. In 1985, after running ads asking for help in ending "the Cosmic Watergate," Bryant received his first-ever unsatisfactory job rating. Bryant sued, claiming the Army was trying to block his search for Army whistleblowers. The Defense Department later agreed to stop bothering him about the ads, but Bryant continued to press his First Amendment case. The U.S. District Court in Alexandria threw the case out, saying there were other ways to settle the matter besides a lawsuit. The 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals agreed, but the U.S. Supreme court overturned them both and ordered a hearing. As the July 1989 trial began, Bryant asked for a delay because a key witness -- a supervisor who allegedly was out to get him because he was "an embarrassment" -- was on assignment in Antartica. The court proceeded without the witness, ruled in favor of the government, and this appeal followed. To Judge Francis Murnaghan Jr.'s inquiries about the proof of UFOs, Bryant's lawyer, James Heller of Washington contended Bryant had a First Amendment right to seek answers to "unknown events." "Why wouldn't he be an embarrassment" if he's following "a theory for which no scientific basis has been found?" Murnaghan asked. Judge Dickson Phillips Jr., also wondered why Bryant couldn't "get his supervisors off his back ... without getting into the First Amendment jurisprudence? "If the ax really drops on him, then he can sue," Phillips said. Heller said Bryant fears that without the protection of an injunction, he'll be fired. Since Bryant sued, all his evaluations have been top-notch, Heller said. In answer to a question, Koppel also noted that the offending evaluation wasn't even in the file, because they are automatically thrown out after three years. Phillips, apparently convinced the revelation made the case legally worthless, asked Koppel "Why didn't the Supreme Court look at mootness? They put two courts to a lot of trouble for a moot case." A decision is expected in about 60 days. -- David Stager - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Stager@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms@cbmvax.cbm.commodore.com Subject: strange aircraft sighted in western U.S. Date: 5 Oct 90 06:16:30 GMT The military apparently still has a few radically new aircraft up its sleeves. Here's a newspaper article and a CompuServe message on the subject, which was covered in 'Aviation Week and Space Technology.' ---------- WASHINGTON (AP) -- Several large, quiet, triangular wing-shaped aircraft of unknown origin have been spotted in the air near Air Force bases in California and elsewhere in the West, reports Aviation Week and Space Technology. A different aircraft whose engines produce a loud roar that resembles heavy rocket engines also has been spotted, the magazine said. The Air Force declined to confirm or deny that the sightings were of new warplanes. The publication, the current week's edition that became available Monday, says the triangular aircraft are possibly prototypes of the Air Force B-2 or Navy A-12 aircraft. The A-12 is a new fighter under development, which has not been displayed. The B-2 is the 'stealth' bomber, which has been displayed, and its shape is well-known. ---------- (and now the REAL goodies!) ---------- #: 61460 S10/Paranormal Issues 30-Sep-90 06:22:31 Sb: Real 'UFOs' Fm: R J Decker 70320,172 To: All Some interesting articles in the current issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology (Oct 1) about new aircraft technologies: 'Secret Advanced Vehicles Demonstrate Technologies For Future Military Use' & 'Multiple Sightings of Secret Aircraft Hint at New Propulsion, Airframe Designs'. Some nice artist's concept illustrations. From the articles: Based on about 45 reports by people who have seen, heard or had access. Manned & unmanned. Triangular-shaped quiet a/c. A high-speed a/c characterized by a very loud, deep, rumbling roar ... thic a/c often makes a pulsing sound. Lighting pattern indicate a/c 100+ ft long. High-altitude a/c that crosses night sky at extremely high speed. No engine noise or sonic boom. Vehicle observed as single bright light - sometimes pulsating - flying at speeds exceeding other a/c at altitude above 50,000 ft. Capable of hypersonic flight. Speeds of Mach 10, high-g maneuverability. Day observation, triangular, light-colored. Quieter than F-117A (stealth fighter). Single amber lights under wingtips & red beacon near nose. Early sighting in hanger at Ellington AFB (late 1960s). Loud, very deep, rumbling engine noise. Puncuated by 1HZ pulsing sound. The 'pulser's' position was marked by white glow rather than a distinct point of light. A/C always on North heading @ 5AM, slower pulsing sound, 2 position lights. Extremely fast-moving @ high altitude seen as single bright light. 350 miles of night sky in 6 min. 20 sec. to transit 70 deg of sky. Very high-speed vehicles maueuvering over 50,000 ft altitude. The above are snippets taken from both articles (grouped) describing more than one a/c. Please see the articles for the entire story and the context. No questions about the items please - I only extracted from the articles and lack additional information. ---------- Do these resemble any known UFO light configuration? I haven't gotten out my copy of 'Night Siege' yet to check the details on the Hudson Valley object. ---------- paper : James Shaffer Jr., 37 Brook Street, Montgomery, PA 17752 uucp : uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms (or) rutgers!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms domain: jms%vanth@amix.commodore.com CompuServe: 72750,2335 quote : ATTENTION ALL PLANETS OF THE SOLAR FEDERATION: WE HAVE ASSUMED CONTROL -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype Date: 5 Oct 90 03:36:00 GMT > Dunno. I'm not really up on the Meier case. > > jbh Me neither, really. But it's interesting that within a week, we've had two disclosures here that call two major "smoking-guns" into question. The Gulf Breeze model has its problems -- Walters is standing up to his critics and the model itself has some discrepancies ... like that fact it was made from plans that did not exist when Walters started taking pictures and "Tommy" claimed to have seen it in Walters' closet. Likewise, now we hear some anectodal evidence for the Meier fiasco being perhaps something different than it appears. Very interesting. Did you see the "Unsolved Mysteries" followup on GB? What do you think of the Mayor? Does he have any motive for his outspokenness -- beyond his sincere beliefs and a simple, honest desire to discourage tourism. Heh-heh-heh. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f320.n207.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Kecksburg Incident Date: 3 Oct 90 05:10:00 GMT > Perhaps the echo guidelines should be amended so as to preclude > the posting of any information that is not attributed to a verifiable > source. In other words the Ashtray Command wouldn't count. In those > situations where the person posting can't remember the source, or is > trying to find out who the source is, they should explicitly request the > identity of the source as part of the message. > > Whaddaya' think? -- John Jeez, I can just hear the carping on FIDO UFO now....but I mostly agree with you. But what about sheer speculation? As much as that seems a dirty word to some, its often very much called for in this field, and is part of the scientific process. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Kecksburg Incident Date: 4 Oct 90 04:37:00 GMT Jim: >But what about sheer speculation? Yeah. Maybe a disclaimer should be required like: >By way of speculation, I suggest that ... or something along those lines. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Bill Cooper's Book Date: 4 Oct 90 04:41:00 GMT Brian: Don has provided the info you seek in the last two issues of _UFO_ magazine. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Re: Mystery Teletype Date: 4 Oct 90 04:48:00 GMT Clark: I loved Brit Elders' (not to be confused with *The* Elders) response when confronted with proof that Billy's claimed photo of a San Fransisco earthquake that he supposedly took when the Errans took him into the future, was fake. (It was matched up with an artist's rendering from some magazine like Omni): Elders> Just because *one* photo was fake, doesn't mean they all were fake. Oh. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Gulf Breeze Date: 4 Oct 90 12:17:00 GMT Unsolved Mysteries carried a segment last night that was an update of a earlier segment. This one was fairly well balance I thought and carried quite a bit of info on the recent allegations of Hoax. They showed the Model found in the attic AND the used it to duplicate one of the classic photos of Mr. Ed's UFO. When they showed the photo's side by side (their "fake" photo next to Ed's "real" photo) there wasn't a dimes worth of difference between them. They also showed how they produced a "fake" photo to match Ed's photo of the UFO hovering over the road and while they had different lighting effects, there was basically no difference there either, they even duplicted quite well the light shinning off the road surface. What struck me about the exeptionally good match between the model UFO and the "real" thing was the proportioning. Since the model was made out of two large paper plates (with a band between them) and two small paper plates, the proportions of large upper structure and small lower structure are determined by the standard sizes of the paper plates used. It seems an odd coincidence to me that ED's "real" UFO just happened to have the same proportions as paper plates commonly manufactured here on earth. They also interviewed Tommy Smith. It is interesting to compare how Ed reacted to comments made about how Tommy's seems like a rather honest and straightforward person. Ed's says, in essense, "so he seems honest, what does that prove" yet it is exactly the "honest demeanor" that many of Ed's supportors have been useing as an argument in support of Ed. A very interesting show. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:207/109 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************