Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 367 Monday, February 18th 1991 Today's Topics: Any significant polls done? Update on Gulf Breeze Re: GOD IS ET AND WE'RE Re: (NONE) Desert Shield Strangeness RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA Ideas to Ponder STEALTH ARTICLE Nostradamus Saucers & Scientist Lazar Part Two Lazar Part III Lazar Part IV ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: pluto@cs.ucsd.edu (Mark Plutowski) Subject: Any significant polls done? Date: 14 Feb 91 20:06:37 GMT From: pluto@cs.ucsd.edu (Mark Plutowski) I would be interested if any studies have been performed, preferably by an institutionalized polling organization such as Gallup or Harris, asking the following questions of the general population: Have you personally read or seen accounts of UFO sightings reported in your local newpaper or television news? Have you ever met someone who relayed first hand experiences of what would be commonly referred to as a UFO contact? Do you know personally someone who has had first-hand experience of a UFO contact? Have you ever had what you believed to be or which could be objectively classified to be a UFO contact? Of the group that answer 'yes' to the latter, I would like to see a breakdown according to whether they shared this experience with someone else, the level of the sighting (1st, 2nd, or 3rd kind, recognition of mechanistic details of sighted craft, physical after-effects incurred by the witness, etc.) Also, has there been a similar study with respect to cattle mutilations? That is, have you seen reports of such happenings by local press, have you had conversation with persons who claim to have first-hand experiences of such, do you or have you ever known such an individual personally, have you ever seen such a mutilated animal first-hand, etc. Aside: Although our readership is certainly self-selecting, and therefore not necessarily a good cross-section of the general population, it may be of interest to perform such a poll over our readership. If I knew how to automate such a poll I would offer to do it myself, but alas, I expect that this would require some expert knowledge of automatically tabulating e-mail replies, something I could not do without excessive effort. Also, I expect that the actual wording of the questions would require care -- as would the statistical interpretation (significance, error bounds.) Thank you in advance, -=-= M.E. Plutowski, pluto%cs@ucsd.edu UCSD, Computer Science and Engineering 0114 9500 Gilman Drive La Jolla, California 92093-0114 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Update on Gulf Breeze Date: 15 Feb 91 05:40:00 GMT John, Anymore material or information coming from Carol and Rex? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: GOD IS ET AND WE'RE Date: 1 Feb 91 18:05:08 GMT I won't close my mind to change, but at this point in time I have made some decisions which to me are rational. No problems on this end adjusting attitudes and truths when evidence shows there should be change. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: (NONE) Date: 1 Feb 91 18:22:18 GMT The point about the dates and predictions is that in the last 30 years I have seen numerous "end of the world" dates or predictions come and go. At this point in time I may be anavailable to ever see what happens in 2011 due to biological extinction of this one unit. I have a vague memory of a psychic who predicted the end of the world on a specific date, and she died on that date. I'd say that was accurate in light of her own world. Lets not exclude the possibility that 4000 years ago, people may have only lived to an age of 29 if they were fortunate, but they still had intellectual capabilities equal to ours. I also agree with you that flaming will do nothing, my intentions are exchange of information not criticism of you personally. There are many really big question marks as you say, that's why we continue to observe and study. One problem I have with some of the questions is that are they really mysterys, or contrived to sell books? Because a rock formation on the moon looks like Mickey Mouse, does that mean some cosmic event created it or some other being with precognition knew that Walt would draw it, or possible was Walt mind controlled into following psychic messages. (This may be getting abit extreme but hang on please) Or could it mean that since we know what MM looks like, we see the shape out of millions of other shapes, and recognize it as something modern. The golden jet in a tomb could be a stylized bird just as well as an F-15 with landing gear. My simple point is that we create many of these mysterys in our minds, because of our human quality (only human) ability to reflect. Yes, even after this thought there are still some big question marks. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Desert Shield Strangeness Date: 15 Feb 91 11:24:31 GMT From: James Roger Black Some rather odd things going on in Operation Desert Storm: (1) Has anyone noticed that in most of the 'Nintendo' movies they are showing of smart bombs taking out Iraqi targets there is no indication at all of any camera motion? You can see things moving on the ground, you can see the bomb streak in from out-of-frame, you can see the smoke rising from the wreckage--but the camera never moves. Surely they're not using hovering Harriers for bomb-damage assessment! Perhaps ducted-fan drones? I had read years ago that we were building these for aerial reconnaissance, and that the Israelis were using them over Lebanon. Maybe we're using them over Baghdad. (2) On the first night of the bombing the Iraqis were complaining that the American aircraft were flying too high to be reachable by Iraqi groundfire. The CNN news crew reported that they could hear the bombs falling, but they neither saw nor heard the planes that were dropping them. Nevertheless, the bombs were being targeted with great precision, not just dumped out the bottom of a B-52. Could the U.S. be using something other than standard aircraft to drop this stuff? Perhaps some kind of high-altitude stationary platform? (3) 'At least one of the Stealth pilots who met with Mr. Cheney today complained that his fighter appeared to be cursed. The pilot, Maj. Lee Guston, said his fighter had been nicknamed Christine, for the killer car of Stephen King horror-novel fame.' ('To Saddam Hussein, With Ill Wishes', New York Times, 11 Feb 91). Bob Oechsler says the B-2's engines came from outer space. Sounds like some parts of the F-117A came from the Twilight Zone ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked Subject: RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA Date: 15 Feb 91 23:25:45 GMT From: Mike Dobbs I have finally gotten a confirmed date for this show from ABC. The had it tenatively scheduled a couple of times but had to bump it because of war coverage. 'The Best Kept Secrets in America' will not be a series, contrary to what I had heard earlier. Amoung other things, the show will cover Area 51 and Gulf Breeze. The film crew actually got some footage of a UFO in Gulf Breeze on commercial equipment which will be part of the show. I talked to the producers of the show (Ohlmeyer Communications) and ABC who both gave me the broadcast time below. Monday, Feb 25 at 8:00pm EST/PST on ABC. -------- Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Ideas to Ponder Date: 14 Feb 91 21:03:01 GMT Mike, did you notice that almost all on the board of NICAP were ex military. It makes a person wonder??? It seems that Fowler hit the nail on the head. ---Jim--- -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Boyd.Naron@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Boyd Naron) Subject: STEALTH ARTICLE Date: 14 Feb 91 06:12:00 GMT Stealth Article In 1989 And Some Other Interesting Observations By Boyd M. Naron February 13, 1991 January 16, 1991; The U.S. Military started the most comprehensive and thorough bombing campaign ever seen in modern history. Not since the Vietnam war has such devastation been reigned on a people or country. One of the supposedly new weapons being used in the destruction of Iraq is the F-117A Stealth Fighter. The unconventional design of the craft is a surprise to many, however, had one subscribed to _Popular_ _Mechanics_ in 1989, the January issue of that magazine would have provided one with just about everything one would ever need to know about the craft. The article: "Our Most Secret Fighter", by Nick Nichols. In reviewing the article, I found some interesting tidbits which I wanted to share with you. Although, this is not an article about how the U.S. Government used Alien technology in it's stealth aircraft, there were some paragraphs within the article that made my eye browse raise slightly. Since I'm very poor at paraphrasing, let me quote the pertinent sections. In discussing extraordinary efforts taken in maintaining a shroud of secrecy over the Stealth project, the article states: "This airtight veil of secrecy came very close to being lifted on October 4, 1988, as Senator Chic Hecht of Nevada prepared for an afternoon media briefing in which he planned to release certain technical details [of the craft] along with an illustration of the heretofore ethereal bird. The morning edition of 'The Washington Times' scooped the Republican lawmaker by publishing contents of a Pentagon-generated draft press release. For reasons which remain unclear, a chagrined Hecht was collared by the Pentagon at the last minute and firmly advised to cancel his news conference. Hecht complied, and the Stealth Fighter slipped back into the murky depths of clandestine Special Access, or 'black,' programs." Interesting, if you consider what has been published in recent years about a so-called "Secret Government" that maintains a veil of secrecy over the UFO phenomenon. Many documents has surfaced that talk about how the Government "FIRMLY" advised other citizens into maintaining silence. Proof here that it happens as evidenced by the above. Further in the article it states: "... once a black program", [the stealth program in this case] "has been defrocked, the military has to start answering a lot of uncomfortable questions about cost and performance" I could see it now. If the U.S. Government did in fact recover an alien space vehicle back in 1947 and then blanket the event in secrecy in an attempt to possibly duplicate some of the alien technology, can you imagine the kinds of questions that would be raised? Is it any wonder that if this is true, the military would do ANYTHING to maintain that secrecy! I mean 44 years of cash outlay, in an attempt to benefit from the alien space craft, is a lot of bucks! I certainly would not want to be the one forced to explain where 44 years of expenditures went! Especially since that money NEVER showed up on the federal budget as an "LINE ITEM" ("Alien Technology Research"; does this sound familiar?) Now, I'm not one to push a single side of an issue here. Let me stir this up a little more. The article goes on to say: "Some sources have said that a wing of F-117As is already operational in a high-security section of Nellis Air Force Base near Tonapah, Nevada and that one of the Stealth Fighters crashed in the California desert about two years ago" [that would make it 1987!] "while on a training mission. This appears to be true. After the crash, an incredible security blanket was placed on the whole incident. No media were allowed anywhere near the crash site and few details were given other than there had, in fact been a crash." Ok, stay with me on this one; If you wanted, in the worst possible way, to maintain secrecy on this project, what would you do? I wonder if it might be advantageous to spread the rumor of flying saucers and U.S. military involvement in duplicating alien technology. Remember, not all of society today are as open to alternative ideas as, hopefully, we are. So what do you think society would say? I can hear it now; "Honey, come listen to this loony talkin' about UFOs and Martians and stuff! Ain't that just the craziest thing you ever did hear?" I suspect that society in general would then brush off the Nevada incident as nothing more than a bunch of fantasy concocted by less than desirable citizens. The Government maintains secrecy on the project at the expense of a few reputations! Now, I don't necessarily agree that this is what happened; I'm just passing this one on as a "what if" type of scenario. Finally, According to that article: "Technicians at Wright Patterson AFB are said to have developed the aircraft's reinforced carbon-fiber skin." I have to tell you, Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio is without a doubt the most active military installation, with the exception of Nellis, in the world! Imagine, being the home of "Project Blue Book", the home of (as some say) a downed alien space craft, and now this base just happens to be where an extraordinary development in aircraft metals is designed! The coincidence is uncanny! Enough said. I hope that my observations have peaked your interest and causes you to look for tidbits similar to this. Who knows if more tidbits are put together, one day we may have a complete picture (or at least one that has shape and can be recognizable.) Enjoy and "Keep Looking Up!" Boyd M. Naron -- Boyd Naron - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Boyd.Naron@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: Nostradamus Date: 17 Feb 91 06:54:49 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) NBC is going to air some sort of program about Nostradamus on Wednesday, February 20, at 9:00 PM EST. I don't know anything about it other than that. From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Glittering prizes and Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | endless compromises 37 Brook Street | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | shatter the illusion of Montgomery, PA 17752 | (CompuServe as a last resort)| integrity!' (Rush) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Saucers & Scientist Date: 17 Feb 91 20:06:00 GMT In "UFO Magazine" Vol. 5 No. 6, "The Whistleblowers Part III ran. This was titled "The Saucers and the Scientist". It delt with Robert "Bob" Lazar, and unless you have been in Saudi Arabia for the last year, Lazar is a young man who claims to be a physicist-scientist who worked at one of the most secret installations in this or any other SOLAR SYSTEM. Site S-4 located in the outback at Nellis Air Force Base outside of Las Vegas, Nevada. ParaNet has looked into the Lazar story before, and many questions were raised about this young man, some that were answered, and some that may never be. However, I traveled to Las Vegas this past year and meant with Lazar and Gene Huff for a story for UFO Magazine. The story incientally, is still on-going. In the next issue of UFO, we are running a copy of Lazar's W-2 form. The fact is, much of what Lazar has stated in the past has checked out over time. In any case, the story is fascinating. Here then is Part I of the Lazar story, and the Part Two, in Vol. 6 No. 1 will follow shortly. WHISTLEBLOWERS III The Saucers and the Scientist UFO Magazine Vol. 5 No. 6, by Don Ecker All rights reserved. In the third installment of the Whistleblower series, UFO is tak- ing a look at the Robert "Bob " Lazar story. It's one that has all the ingredients for a blockbuster Hollywood epic: Sex, mystery, violence, plus the biggest potential story of all-alien visitation, plus recovered flying discs, ultra top secret (and denied) government installations, hints of mind manipulation, government spying, intimidation, television exposes, arrests, charges of pandering, hints of local political maneuver- ing enough to even satisfy a Richard Daly), not to mention worldwide interest. Okay, enough of the preamble, now the facts. At the end of August, Bob Lazar was sentenced as a result of his conviction on one count of pandering. He's now on three years probation, and has been ordered to perform l50 hours of community service and to make a weekly visit to a psychologist during the probation period. This came after his admission that in January of l990 he helped set up a computer system and install security equipment for a longtime prostitute then run- ning a brothel in Las Vegas. What makes Lazar important, as far as the UFO community is con- cerned? Starting November 6, 1989, Las Vegas TV station KLAS, Channel 8, broadcast a week-long television special dealing with the UFO enigma. Covering the story from the l940s to the present, the KLAS-TV series, produced and narrated by George Knapp, investigated the UFO story from purported military involvement to cattle mutilations, to finally a seg- ment introducing a young man named Bob Lazar, who described himself as a physicist-scientist who had worked at the super-secret area S4, also known as "Dreamland," The "Skunk Works, " and the "Ranch." Lazar was no stranger to televi- sion, however. As the story later developed, it was found that Lazar had given interviews before. But in those interviews, he had been elec- tronically altered on screen and had gone under the pseudonym of "Den- nis. " Dennis, as later came to light, was the name of Lazar's supervisor at Area S4. According to Lazar, after that segment had aired, "Den- nis" called him up and stated "Do you know what we're gonna do to you now?" Lazar said no, and "Dennis" hung up. The 'big secret' Just what is supposed to be the big secret? According to Lazar, the government has nine flying saucers stored at S4. They are also working on anti-matter reactors and other technology which, according to Lazar, is beyond what is currently possible under existing human technology. Where did it come from and why is he telling what he knows? "This stuff came from somewhere else," Lazar said. "I know it is hard to believe, but it is there and I saw it. "I know what the current state-of- the-art is in physics and it (the technology) can't be done." The reason he came forward? Simply self-protection according to him, no great humanitarian impulse, but simply self-protection. "Well, they are trying to make me look non- existent, the schools that I went to, the hospital that I was born at, past jobs, and nothing comes up with my name on it . . ." Lazar says he worked at Los Alamos National Laboratories, but they claimed no knowledge of him. However, an old phone book from Los Alamos tells a different story. Lazar is listed there, along with the other scientists and technicians. EG&G, the government contract company where Lazar claims he in- terviewed for his job at Area S-4 also claims never to have heard of him. However, Lazar received a copy of his W-2 form (the form one needs for taxex) from Naval Intelligence, at least proving that he worked for that military agency. Knapp aired this fact on an update carried on KLAS. CONT. NEXT FILE -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Lazar Part Two Date: 17 Feb 91 20:08:00 GMT Cont. from last. All rights reserved. According to what Lazar told Knapp, he was never told exactly what he would be working on. "But I figured that it had something to do with advanced propulsion, " he said. "I read a series of briefings on the First day, and immediately realized how advanced the propulsion really was. The power source is an anti- matter reactor. "They run gravity amplifiers. There is actually two parts to the drive mechanism. It's bizarre technology. There (are) no physical hookups between any of the systems in there. They use gravity as a wave, using wave guides that look like microwaves." Lazar said it took a while before he actually saw one of the discs, but that there were hints everywhere. "They had a poster, and it looked like a commercial poster-like it was lithographed, like you could buy it at K-Mart or someplace-but they were all over the place, and it had the disc that I coined the term 'the floor model' which lifted off the ground about three feet in the Dry Lakes area, and the caption on it said 'They're Here.'These posters were all over the place. " 'Assortment Pack' Later Lazar relayed how he finally got to see one of the craft. "When I was led in, it was the first time that I saw the floor model in the hangar sitting down, and I was told they could have walked me in the front door, but they purposely wanted to walk me by it. I was told not to say anything, to keep my eyes forward and walk past the disc to the office area . . . As we went by it, I just kinda stuck my hands on it, just to run it alongside the thing and, uh . . after that I got to see it lift off the ground and operate. " When ask- ed if he saw more than one he said, "Yeah, the hangars are all connected together . . there were nine, total, that I saw, each one different. Like they had the assortment pack." Security at S-4 offset the thrill of working with alleged alien craft, however. Lazar, when asked by Knapp if he was ever threatened, stated: "They did everything but physically hurt me. " Knapp asked, "They put a gun to your head?" Lazar: "Yeah." "You mean they actually put a gun to your head: " Knapp repeated. Lazar: "They did that even in the original security briefing. Guards there with M-16s. Guys were slam- ming my chest, screaming into my ear. They were pointing weapons at me. Like I said, it's not a good place to work. " Later, while Lazar undertook polygraph testing as a part of the original KLAS report, his underlying fear surfaced. Polygrapher Ron Clay administered the first test which, ac- cording to him, came back in- conclusive. Lazar appeared to be truthful on one test, deceitful on the second. Clay asked that another polygrapher be brought in, and Terry Tabernetti was called. Tabernetti, a former Los Angeles police officer, runs a corporate security operation. He ran Lazar through four tests, and concluded that Lazar did not attempt to deceive. Tabernetti then sent the tests to a third polygrapher, who concurred with Tabernetti's conclu- sions. A fourth polygrapher, however, concluded that Lazar may have been relating information which he heard, not that which he saw. At that point, no final general consensus was achieved. Tabemetti stated, "The difficulty in determining Lazar's truthfulness stems from the fear that was drilled into him. " Over the course of his work with the alleged craft, Lazar apparently familiarized himself with them. "I gave everything names, " Lazar stated, "the'top hat' one, the'jello mold,' and the 'sport model' (which) operated without any hitch. I mean it looked new, if that is what a flying saucer looks like. One of them look- ed like it was hit by some sort of projectile. It had a large hole in the bottom and a large hole in the top, with the metal bent out like some sort of large caliber . . . had gone through it. " The realization came that is was from somewhere else when he looked inside, and it had really small chairs. I think that was the first confirmation I had." CONT. NEXT FILE -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Lazar Part III Date: 17 Feb 91 20:09:00 GMT Cont. from last. All rights reserved. Program's 'plodding pace' Lazar says he became disenchanted at the plodding pace of the program, however. "It is just unfair, outright, not to put it in the hands of the overall scientific community. There are people much more capable of dealing with this information, and by this time would have gotten a lot fur- ther along than this small, select group of people working out in the middle of the desert. They don't even have the facilities, really, to completely analyze what they're deal- ing with. " The Lazar story would not be complete with mentioning another in- dividual whose name is significant in this apparent saga. Gene Huff, a Las Vegas real estate appraiser and Lazar's very good friend, is part of the story and purportedly observed a test of one of these objects. When Lazar could hardly contain himself with the knowledge he had, he took Huff and several other people out to the edge of the Groom Mountains to observe the lights for themselves. Over a two-week period, five peo- ple managed to dodge the security patrols long enough to witness a strange glowing object ascend above the mountain. The object was videotaped. (The final video itself does not prove much, but listening to the witnesses while they observed the object is enlightening.) According to journalist Knapp, Lazar is not the only "insider" to claim knowledge of a saucer program at Groom Lake. But he is the only one who has gone public. While sta- tioned at Nellis Air Force Base, one Las Vegas "professional," according to Knapp, once witnessed a "saucer" landing outside of Area 51, part of the secret testing area, and reportedly was "taken away for several hours for debriefing. " An unidentified airman working at one of the Nellis radar installations told Knapp of sightings of "unknowns" on the radar scopes, objects that zipped around the range at speeds of 7,000 miles per hour and that would stop "on a dime." When word about that got out, the airman said that they were then ordered to turn off their sensors for that area, shut up, and that it had not happen- ed. So if any of this technological capability exists, how is it being ac- complished? According to Lazar, these craft have the ability to harness gravity. The technology that he claims to have witnessed extends beyond "mere" flying saucers; the anti-matter reactors allow the craft to produce their own gravitational fields. And what powers the reac- tors? "Element 115," he said. "It would be almost impossible: well, it is impossible to synthesize an element that heavy here on Earth. "I don't think that you can ever synthesize it. . . You essentially have to assemble it by bombarding it with protons. . . atom by atom, it would take an infinite amount of power and an infinite amount of time. The substance has to come from a place where super-heavy elements could have been produced naturally. . . . Maybe next to a much larger sun where there would be greater mass. Maybe a binary star system. . a super nova. . .it has to be a naturally occurring element." CONT. NEXT FILE -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Lazar Part IV Date: 17 Feb 91 20:10:00 GMT Cont. from last. All rights reserved. Alleged accident According to Lazar's story, as reported on the KLAS special, Lazar was hired because of an accident which was said to have taken place in April of 1987. Lazar claims that he was informed that the accident was passed off as an unannounced nuclear test. "Some people got killed. I was told flat out I was one of the people that were to replace these guys. " So how did Lazar become employed with such an ultra- secret installation? "I had sent resumes to several national labs around the country, " he claimed. "Like Livermore, places that I would not mind moving to, some around here (Las Vegas) like EG&G, and some other places that do similar scientific work. I got some responses from a couple of them. I went in for an interview, they had a job in mind and as it turned out they said I was 'over qualified' for it. They said they might have something in the near future that I would be very interested in. They wanted to know what I did in my spare time, they really seemed interested in that. I told them of my hobbies, like working with jet cars. " Lazar met Dr. Edward Teller at Los Alamos National Labs. "(Ed- ward Teller) told me where to send my resume to. He gave me a specific name. I was at Los Alamos and I had built a jet car that made the front page of the paper. (Teller) was lecturing at Los Alamos. I walked up to the lecture hall and noticed Teller sitting on the brick wall reading the front page. I walked up and said 'Hi, I am the one you are reading about there,'and he said that is real- ly interesting, and I sat down and we had a little talk, really about nothing. As it turned out, he remembered me. He was one of the people I sent my resume to. What went on behind the scenes I don't know, but he had told me who to send my resume to." Lazar states that after he began working at the site, he was asked to read briefing documents dealing with "flying saucers." As he commented, "I was completely shocked, I couldn't believe it, I was so excited. It was a science dream." According to Lazar, it was never stated in the purported documents how the government retrieved the craft, or where they came from. As is com- mon in classified work or documents, everything is compart- mentalized, and this was no dif- ferent. "Specifically, I had to deal with propulsion and physics of the little workings of what was going on. " Anti-matter reactor Lazar also reported a demonstra- tion he says he was given while at S-4, which showed the functioning of an anti-matter reactor. "They had one of the reactors out of the craft, which was an anti-matter reactor. I was given a demonstration on how it worked, the things it did and the physics of it. The operation of it is incredibly difficult to understand . . . anti-matter is the most potent energy source there can be. As an example, a kilogram of anti-matter is equal in energy to 47 ten-megaton hydrogen bombs . . . to create fields and power such as these discs would re- quire, to do what they do to lift off the ground without an auto- propulsion system, requiires a tremen- dous amount of energy." 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