Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 369 Monday, February 25th 1991 Today's Topics: Paris Match - Ufo Sitings & Military Release. Desert Shield Strangeness RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2 Re: JUST CAUSE Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2 Lazar Part II Lazar Cont. Lazar End. Re: Japanese Videotape File Disclaimers ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moderator's Note: If you sent articles in this weekend (Feb 23-25) please resend them as our mailer was out to lunch all weekend and thing happened that may have caused bounces. -Cyro ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Paris Match - Ufo Sitings & Military Release. Date: 19 Feb 91 21:36:00 GMT > From: MCLARKE@ac.dal.ca > > Could you please confirm the issue date for the er > > recent article in the Paris MAtch magazine featuring > the > evidence released by Belgian Military Officals. I > would like > to confirm the article before posting it locally. The article appeared on July 5, 1990, according to the information that I have here. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Desert Shield Strangeness Date: 17 Feb 91 15:18:00 GMT swue> (1) Has anyone noticed that in most of the 'Nintendo' movies they are swue> showing of smart bombs taking out Iraqi targets there is no swue> indication at all of any camera motion? You can see things moving swue> on the ground, you can see the bomb streak in from out-of-frame, swue> you can see the smoke rising from the wreckage--but the camera swue> never moves. Surely they're not using hovering Harriers for swue> bomb-damage assessment! Perhaps ducted-fan drones? I had read swue> years ago that we were building these for aerial reconnaissance, Sorry...but that doesn't wash. Have you done much flying? Whenever you approach a city or coastline from high in the air, you should notice that the ground doesn't 'rush right up to the plane'...despite the speed they are flying at. Even though the flighter/bomber doesn't fly as high as commercial traffic during a bombing run on a target...they are indeed a lot higher than the camera shows. Blame it on zoom-lens or whatever...but they are NOT that close. Hence, their approach may look as though the *plane* (yes, they are still planes...the same ones you see taking off from the military bases and aircraft carriers) is floating stationary over the target. That is just an illusion from the camera's perspective itself. We are not talking about any strikes made by a hovering helicopter here...or any *unusual* types of flying apparatus. Just listen to the commander or the commentator during the showing of any bombing video footage. They will almost always tell you what model bomber or fighter did the damage. You can best believe it is publically known aircraft and technology. Those are real planes and real people flying them! -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: RE: THE BEST KEPT SECRETS IN AMERICA Date: 18 Feb 91 14:12:00 GMT Mike, I think that you miss read my message. I said that they are working on a 4 part series on the Gulf Breeze sightings not the "America, Best Kept secret". This 4 part series will use professional actors playing the parts of Ed Walters and the other people that were involved. This information comes from Donald Ware the Regional Director of MUFON. The Crew has already interviewed him so as to get a personality trait on him and also Ed Walters. I have no ideal when this mini series will be aired. 73's ---Jim--- -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Ufo-vol. 6 No. 2 Date: 22 Feb 91 03:21:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine" * Originally from Don Ecker * Originally dated 02-20-91 23:01 Hello all. UFO Magazine Vol. 6 No. 2 is fresh off the press. In this newest issue UFO takes a gander at the information that is through "Official Channels". Terry Ecker (no relation that we are aware of) has taken another look at the Rendelsham Forrest, United Kingdom case. We call it "Bentwaters". Terry Ecker from Palatka, Florida got the scoop at the Great Gulf Coast UFO Gathering in Biloxi. What happens when you ask Uncle Sam to look into UFO happenings? Read "Going for the Government: An Overview". The Sabbotage of Ufology looks at what the good folks in the intelligence areana may have on their agenda for the UFO crowd. A Newsman's Odyssey is my story on what really went down in Wytheville, Va. with Danny Gordon and the Wytheville sightings. In Advance of the 'New World Order' is a very interesting article by Mike Lindemann taking a look at the Gulf and the oft used phrase New World Order that our President and the Soviet Premier use SO OFTEN. Dick Haines new book 'Advanced Aerial Devices Reported During the Korean War ( thats UFOs folks ) is reviewed, and Dennis Stacy looks at Moore and Shandera's new one, 'The MJ-12 Documents, An Analytical Report'. And so much more. . . . . . . . Don't miss it. Don PS If you need some info on how to get UFO, leave me a note. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin Subject: Re: JUST CAUSE Date: 22 Feb 91 15:25:46 GMT From: Will Martin There seems to be a great deal of misunderstanding about this law. It was not aimed at the ordinary federal employee who writes articles or edits a newsletter, but, because of the sloppiness and incompentence of the legislators, it ended up having that effect. It was enacted as part of the Congressional 'ethics' legislation, which *was* widely publicised. In return for their over-large and unearned pay raise, Congress (and other high-level appointed officials) traded off 'honoraria' and various sources of outside income, like article-writing. But the law was so broadly worded that it not only covered these intended targets, but also included ordinary low-level federal employees (like me). There are court challenges and revised legislation in the works, so it this effect on ordinary employees is sure to eventually be removed, but that will take time. All in all, this is a good example of 'Run for the hills! Congress is in session!' Personally, I would have preferred that Congresscritters just simply and openly get their income from graft and corruption, instead of surreptitiously. Pay 'em a nominal fee and save our tax dollars. This 'ethics' brouhaha had just the wrong effect, 180 degrees away... Regards, Will -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: UFO-VOL. 6 NO. 2 Date: 22 Feb 91 19:41:17 GMT Message from you signed DON mentions Mike Lindemann and his work on the analysis of "New World Order" issues. Does anyone have a mailing address or some possible way to contact Mike? Does he possibly have access to Paranet? I need to contact him about "Blue Dukes Ravin Blues" which occured about 25 years ago. He will understand the above if he is the same person who worked on this project until 1967. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Lazar Part II Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT In Part III of the "Whistleblowers" Part I of the Bob Lazar story was uploaded. In Part II of the Lazar saga, here is the "Whistleblowers" Part IV, "Tales of the Bizarre" as read in UFO Magazine Vol. 6 No. 1, by Don Ecker. Whistleblowers, IV, TALES OF THE BIZARRE by Don Ecker UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 1 All rights reserved. In the last issue of UFO, the first part of the Lazar story was pub- lished. No other story in the last 5 to 10 years has had such potentially earth-shaking implications. Lazar, a 31-year-old, self-described physicist, has told a fantastic story of having worked on a number of recovered flying saucers that the U.S. govern- ment has stored at a top-secret sec- tion of Nellis Air Force Base. Claiming to have been hired after an accidental explosion at Nellis in early 1987, which he says killed two scientists and involved the alleged element 115, Lazar says his work at the super secret S-4 site lasted ap- proximately 4 months. After Lazar was caught on Bureau of Land Management land with several other people who witnessed what appeared to be a test flight of one of these "alien" craft, he was ordered into security offices for what he described as a debriefing filled with threats of bodily harm. Lazar originally revealed his story to two people who at the time were close friends of his-John Lear, who made a splash in the UFO field in late 1987, and Gene Huff, perhaps Lazar's closest friend. Lazar's story has not materially changed since he first went public in 1989, and up un- til now few additional additions have surfaced. One source close to Lazar stated that at one point, his security clearance came under scrutiny because of a "phone tap" that the intelligence people at S-4 had on Lazar's phone. Apparently Lazar's ex-wife had been found in "Flagrante delicto" via the tap. Lazar had been unaware of this until called into "security." Also at one point, security alleged- ly had been following Lazar when he stopped at John Lear's house follow- ing his first days working at S-4. As Lazar stated in other media when speaking about his employment, the oppressive atmosphere began to outweigh the thrill working at such an exotic location. Lazar later privately spoke of be- ing shown various briefing documents that were to provide per- sonnel working on this project with background information, material that supposedly disclosed extensive details concerning what was known about the saucers and the entities that piloted them. Documents spoke of the "kids," and Lazar guessed that this could have been a reference to aliens, but he was not sure. About human religion Another area that these "briefing documents' addressed concerned human religion, and what the alien intelligence had admitted. Lazar at first refused to discuss this aspect, and later, while scoffing at the infor- mation, said that the documents stated that the aliens had "created" religion. Humans were said to be the product of genetic engineering, created by the aliens. Religion was also their creation, to give rules to us so we would protect the "containers; " in effect, the aliens saw us as nothing more than con- tainers. (Whether this means that the body is a vessel for the soul, or just that only the body is important, they see us as something necessary to their purposes.) Lazar also said that the documents stated that Jesus and two other beings (religious personages) were genetically created and were monitored throughout their lives, ap- parently as some type of human "role model." Cont. with next file. -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Lazar Cont. Date: 24 Feb 91 20:16:00 GMT Cont. from previous message.. All rights reserved. Prior to Lazar "going public" in the latter part of 1989, he had ap- peared on television, his image "blacked out," and was using the pseudonym "Dennis." Dennis, as it turned out, was actually the first name of Lazar's supervisor at S-4. After the blacked-out image of Lazar appeared on local news, where he was talking about U.S. flying saucers, Lazar stated that "Dennis" called him and in a threatening tone asked if he knew what could happen to him. Then he hung up. At one point, Lazar told KLAS newsman George Knapp that someone shot out his rear tire as he was on an off ramp at the interstate. Another source close to Lazar has stated that there may be elements within the security structure that for whatever reason want this information to go public. (If so, what better an in- dicator of public reaction than the Lazar saga?) His story has garnered worldwide notice, and he's received many in- vitations to appear in various media. At one point, Nippon Television reportedly paid Lazar $5,000 to travel to Japan to appear on Japanese television. Prior to leaving for the airport, Lazar stated that he received an anonymous telephone call threatening that if he traveled to Japan, he would never make it back. Stating that he had feared for his life, Lazar refused to go. Nippon TV then considered filing a lawsuit against Lazar, charging breach of contract. A height of intrigue was reached when KLAS, after cleaning up dur- ing the TV "sweeps" with their first UFO special, planned to run a se- cond special. A ratings war developed with another TV station, and according to informed sources the opposing TV station hired some private detectives to follow Lazar and George Knapp. At one point, the rival TV station dug up the dirt on Lazar and his business dealings with a prostitute who was running an illegal brothel in Las Vegas proper. Finding out about the rival station's scoop, Knapp convinced Lazar to defuse the situation by going on camera and admitting that he sold a computer and software and set up security equipment for the prostitute, Toni Bulloch. According to Gene Huff, Bulloch had been running this business for some time, and the Las Vegas vice squad was aware of the operation. During the course of this investiga- tion, UFO Magazine spoke to a number of principals while attemp- ting to verify Lazar's story. A girl friend of Lazar, who knew Toni Bulloch, stated that Bulloch had an affair with one of the Las Vegas Police officers who was a member of the vice squad. The entire case against Lazar was bizarre, to say the least. He was, ac- cording to witnesses, only the third person in Nevada's history to be con- victed of pandering. As it ended up, Lazar was put on probation, in- structed to perform community ser- vice and ordered to see a psychologist during his probationary period. At this point, the big question is-where are the saucers? Do Lazar and his story hold up: What is in the future concerning Area 51, and the section called S-4: Lazar has received a W-2 form from Naval Intelligence, which is be- ing touted as a prime piece of evidence to back up his claims. KLAS-TV has aired the form on television. In the course of research- ing this article, UFO Magazine asked both Bob Lazar and George Knapp to forward a copy of the form, a re- quest which has yet to be fulfilled. Groups of curious people continue to traipse out toward Nellis AFB to watch for flying saucers, and some manage to see them and take photographs of whatever it is that the Air Force-or someone-is flying in the vicinity. Cont. next message. -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Lazar End. Date: 24 Feb 91 20:17:00 GMT Cont. from previous message. All rights reserved. When Lazar first went public with his claims, supposedly several other people were to have "come clean" with more informa- tion. Sadly, no one else has publicly made any statements. I personally think that there is "high strangeness" to Lazar's claim, and he may very possibly be telling all he knows. But a number of questions still await satisfactory answers. (For instance: If Lazar did abscond with some monumental "proof", why did he leave it lying around unattended, so the alleged burglars could get at it? But this does not necessarily seem out of character. For someone who supposedly held such an unbelievable job, Lazar's laissez-faire attitude is in itself incredible-he personifies the person who "marches to the beat of a different drummer.") There is more than enough peripheral evidence to Lazar's claims to make some people very nervous; that in itself is telling. Lazar has passed a number of polygraph tests, has undergone hypnotic regression, and has shown reason to believe that he may have been administered drugs without his consent, in order to "wipe" his memory of certain events. If this proves to be the case, at the very least it means that his civil rights have been abrogated, and if "they" can abrogate his civil rights, then they can abrogate yours and mine. If there are people in the power structure who feel compelled to flush away our Constitutional guarantees because of something to do with flying saucers, then we have to ask, just what in hell are they hiding? And why are they hiding it? The Lazar story, much like every other major UFO event or non- event, will probably never be settled to everyone's satisfaction. At least not until the Government "players" come clean with what it is they are doing. The fact that there are unidentified flying objects is not open for speculation; it has been proven time and time again that something unknown is flying around. What that something is and the iden- tities of the people who are the ar- chitects of the secrecy surrounding it should be first and foremost on each of our minds. Probably not until Congress demands the truth in the name of the American people will it ever be known-or until these mysterious objects, using their own agenda, play out "their" scenario. END Authors note; Lazar and Huff did in fact send UFO Magazine a copy of Lazar's W-2 form which is now included in UFO Magazine Vol. 6, No. 2. The form lists Lazar's former employer as Naval Intelligence. Is the Lazar story over now, and to be regarded as history? No. According to Gene Huff when I spoke to him, Lazar and Huff are producing a video that they will market in which Lazar is giving a science lesson for the layperson in which he discusses interstellar travel and anti- gravity propulsion. Huff stated that Lazar will also discuss the alleged aliens that came in the saucers, site S-4, and the alien interaction with humanity. It should be interesting on several levels. Once more the proof is still hovering in the anti-gravity mode. MAYBE time will tell, but in the words of Linda Elerbee, "And so it goes. . . . . . ." -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender) Subject: Re: Japanese Videotape Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:29 GMT RM> Fourth, any skeptic worth his doubts _will_ be able to tell what RM> evidence would suffice to convince him on a given factual claim. RM> Klass, Sheaffer, and Oberg _can and have_ said what would RM> convince them. So, they may be wrong, but they're not RM> dogmatists. Have they made definitive statements, and if so where are these available? ... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh -- John Tender - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender) Subject: File Disclaimers Date: 21 Feb 91 07:02:04 GMT [original post taken from Ask/UFO conference] RM> Ralph Putnam to Mike Corbin: RP>> Anyway, the question is, why do the ParaNet nodes (at least the RP>> ones I have dialed into) continue to carry the Bill Cooper RP>> files? Is there some valid info. in there? From your (and ... RM> or of the author's reputation. I don't think I've seen the RM> particular files you mention (waiting for a disk or two from RM> Mike), but even if they're _really bad_, they can -- at a RM> minimum -- be valuable as an example of their kind. I'm wondering what you mean by "of their kind" ? Since you are, quite understandably, sensitive about being lumped in with some other "skeptics", shouldn't we be careful here too? RM> If I were really worried about the impression these things might RM> make on callers, I might have two UFO file areas: General and RM> Sysop's Picks. General would be "caveat lector" stuff (Wild RM> Bill and others), in the sysop's humble opinion, while Sysop's RM> Picks would be those the sysop considers less improbable RM> (modify this according to your degree of skepticism :-) ). Any sysop utilizing such a policy should also recognize a responsibility to post a sufficiently clear description of the criteria employed in making the selection. ... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh -- John Tender - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************