Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 375 Sunday, March 10th 1991 Today's Topics: More Missing More Missing Re: Phenomenon Framed Again! Resonant Coil Implications? Kecksburg UFO story Re: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al. Kecksburg Resonant Gravity Coils Re: Kecksburg Solar Flare Alert - 07 Mar Halley's Comet Article Halley's Comet movies on WTBS that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness! More Missing More Missing BILL COOPER ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: More Missing Date: 8 Mar 91 06:41:00 GMT > THEY NEVER CAME BACK > .... > To the list of mysterious disappearances let us add another > remarkable case. > July 24, 1924, was just another day of blazing heat in the > desert > of the Middle East, then called Mesopotamia. .... > When their plane was found, the day after they failed to > return, the mystery w s only deepened. There was gasoline > in the tank, and the engine started readily when tried. There > were > no signs that the plane had been shot at. There was > no > clue to hint why they might have landed where they > did . . . in a broad stretch of inhospitable desert. > The search party found something else that adds ques- > tion marks to the case of the missing fliers. Hi Don. Let me share two very queer disappearances with you. 1. August 28, 1915, Gallipoli, Turkey (southwest of Sulva Bay in Anatolia). The entire British First Fourth Norfolk Regiment, with a field strength of 800 men, DISAPPEARED before thousands of witnesses in broad daylight. 30 observers and spotters of the Number One ANZAC Company and thousands of Turkish defenders observed the First Fourth Norfolk mount an attack against entrenched Turkish infantry on the clear, cloudless day. They advanced up about 1/2 mile of gentle slope toward their objective unopposed with no incoming artillery. Very unusual for high summer in Anatolia, there was a FOG BANK about 200 yards across on the elevated hillside, midway between the Allied and Turkish lines. The First Fourth Norfolk Regiment entered the fog bank but did not exit on the other side. After about 30 minutes, the fog bank ROSE and drifted off across the Agean Sea, against the prevailing winds. No attack was mounted in their sector and, as a result, the entire assault collapsed. It was assumed by the Allies that the Turks had prevailed and captured the Regiment. It was assumed by the Turks that the Regiment had demarched under cover of the fog and attacked somewhere else. War records of both sides and many hundreds of interviews confirm every part of this story. The fate of the 1st Fourth Norfolk was the cause of a 1920's MIA controversy in Britain (similar to our own VietNam MIA controversy) and resulted in considerable tension between Britain and the Turkish Republic, right up to and after World War II. 2. June 1954, Kirimukuyu, Kenya (on Mt. Kenya). The entire village of Kirimukuyu was incinerated in the middle of a village marriage ceremony. The incident occured in the early evening and within earshot of the neighboring villages. The sounds of drums and celebrating were heard from Kirimukyu until about 9 p.m., at which time all sound suddenly stopped. Neighboring villagers and a shepard who was much closer to the village observed lights moving in the sky and rays or beams of intense light being directed downward into the village. There were no survivors among the several hundred inhabitants. Weird and grim, don't you think? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: More Missing Date: 8 Mar 91 12:15:00 GMT What are your sources on this information? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Phenomenon Framed Again! Date: 8 Mar 91 12:49:00 GMT >You'll have to tune in more often... Right, John! Same time, same station...."Don't touch that dial!" -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Resonant Coil Implications? Date: 8 Mar 91 22:44:00 GMT > From: User > And finally, a friend told me that the URE that was filmed (Unidentified > Running Entity) from the window (as mentioned several newsletters ago, > along with the claim that the Stealth was from UFO parts - the 10 > strangest stories of 1990) was broadcast on one of the tabloids (H.C., > A.C.A., I.E., or U.M.) and he said it didn't look like any familiar > animal or even an Earth-like animal. Anyone else saw this broadcast? Are you referring to the Jones' case in Greenville, South Carolina, Halloween evening, in 1989? If so, I have not heard anything further on it. I do have a copy of the video tape that was made when A Current Affair covered that story. Supposedly, MUFON was to be investigating this case, but I also heard that they botched it and the witness lost confidence in them. > And how come nobody is commenting on the Unsolved Mysteries broadcast > of the Kecksberg incident? Did EVERYONE miss it except me? I also saw this and have a tape of it. I believe that there was some comment on it a few issues back. I will see what I have on it. There is also a story which appeared in the newspaper in that neck of the woods, which I will reprint here for your enjoyment. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) Subject: Kecksburg UFO story Date: 8 Mar 91 22:52:00 GMT Below is a reprint on the Kecksburg UFO story which preceeded the Unsolved Mysteries segment of last year. NEWS CLIPPING SERVICE DATE OF ARTICLE: May 6, 1989 SOURCE OF ARTICLE: Bulletin LOCATION: Latrobe, Pennsylvania BYLINE: Kim Opatka ======================================================== THIS FILE WAS PROVIDED BY THE UFO NEWSCLIPPING SERVICE AND PREPARED BY PARANET ALPHA -- PARANET INFORMATION SERVICE ======================================================== KECKSBURG CRASH CONTROVERSIAL By Kim Opatka Bulletin Staff Writer This final article in a six-part series on unidentified flying objects (UFOS) examines one of the most talked about and controversial incidents in the area, what has been termed a meteorite by some and an alien craft by others, which crashed in Kecksburg December 9, 1965. The object was first seen streaking across the sky, with thousands from Michigan to New York witnessing a brilliant ball of fire which left a smoke trail, visible for about 20 minutes after it passed. Many, including pilots who observed it, thought it was an aircraft which was on fire. Reports of debris from the object were made in many states, and an Ohio fire department was called to extinguish 10 small fires in an area where witnesses said they saw flaming fragments falling from the sky. Shock waves were reported by pilots, and a seismograph near Detroit recorded a shock, wrote investigator Stan Gordon, of Pennsylvania Association for the Study of the Unexplained (PASU) in a recent journal article. The crash has been a pet project of the Greensburg man "since the night it happened," he said, noting he is still trying to obtain information on the incident. Although the military eventually labeled the object a meteor, as did the Associated Press account published in The Bulletin the day after the crash, Gordon says recent evidence, including the discovery of a man who saw the object, supports the idea that the object was a true UFO. "I was a teen-ager then," said John (not his real name). "It was in the early part of December and there was a little snow and a little rain, and mud." He was called to the scene after the 4:44 p.m. crash as a fireman from the Latrobe area, to search for the crashed object. "I had seen a fiery object in the sky. I can't say exactly which direction but it was coming from the north. It was not too much longer and the fire whistle went off," he said. "I answered the call and was told they needed a search team because at the time they believed it was a downed aircraft. And I thought, 'My God, this is what I have just seen'." When firemen arrived at the Kecksburg Fire Hall, maps were reviewed and groups were given sections to search. "It was getting semi-dusk and we had flashlights. We were taken in the back of a truck and dropped off and told to go 'this way' which we did. I was not on the initial contact team. Another team found the object. "It was definitely, unequivocally, positively, absolutely no aircraft, plane, helicopter or rocket, at least not to my knowledge. It was in an area that was part field and part woods and we went down to investigate," he said. "We found the object had crashed at a 30 to 40 degree angle, and had broken off numerous tree branches in its impact path. My initial reaction was 'This is no airplane.' I observed no shrapnel, no breaking up of the fuselage. It was one solid piece, no doors, no windows. "Preliminary searches found no bodies or casualties. It was shaped like an acorn, laying on its side, like the acorn nut is in its shell when it's on a tree," he explained. "I've been a machinist for 24 years and I've worked with a tremendous amount of different metals, and I have never seen any type of metal that looked even close to that." John said the object was not broken, "not even cracked, just dented a bit. It did not give off smoke, steam or vapors, at least none that we could see." Reports from neighbors in the area said it had given off a faint trail of blue smoke, which disappeared after the crash. He described the portion visible as between eight and 10 feet long, six and seven feet across, and said a man of average height would probably have had little trouble standing up inside it. The crater it plowed into the ground was "rectangular in shape." John said the state police were there and the area was soon quarantined. "They drove us out. It was late at night when we finally got back to the fire hall and it had been completely taken over by the military. They were carrying in large pieces of equipment, radios and such, and they had armed guards posted outside so nobody could get in or out. The firemen were thrown out. We weren't even allowed in to use the bathroom. "The military had control of the whole operation," John recalled. "After a while we saw a flat bed truck come by with some other military equipment, a crane or something. "It was not too much longer, an hour, an hour and a half, when the trucks came back and there was a large object on the back of the flat bed, covered by a tarp, with military escorts front and back. I got the feeling that if you had stepped on the road you were dead meat. They weren't stopping for anything." Although the object was later said to be a meteorite, John doesn't buy that explanation. "It had writing on it, not like your average writing, but more like ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. It had sort of a bumper on it, like a ribbon about six to 10 inches wide, and it stood out. It was elliptical the whole way around and the writing was on this bumper. It's nothing like I've ever seen, and I'm an avid reader. I read a lot of books on Egypt, the Incas, Peruvians, Russians and I've never to this day come across anything that looked like that." John notes that later it was denied that the object was even a meteorite, and the military "denied they were even in the area. But I know there were Air Force and Army personnel involved. It was like they just came out of the woodwork." Gordon's research has revealed that one of the military groups involved was most likely to be the 662nd Radar Squadron, based at the Oakdale Armory, located near Greater Pittsburgh International Airport. The squadron was found to be under the control of the Aerospace Defense Command, and attempts to get information on the Kecksburg crash, through the Freedom of Information Act, have not provided much to go on. One response said there had been no record of the squadron being activated on that date, Gordon said, wondering how so much equipment and personnel could be activated while the monthly report showed no entry on Dec. 9. Through his research, Gordon says he knows the Air Force was still investigating UFO cases at the public level then, and that it was apparently the Project Blue Book staff which contacted the 662nd squadron. Subsequent reports have led him to theorize that even the Project Blue Book staff was not made aware of objects which could "affect national security," and that some intelligence teams investigated crashes of "foreign space vehicles." Another strange occurrence that night, Gordon said, was reports by some civilians that radiation was released. He explained that some children playing in the area had reportedly been told by military personnel that that was a possibility, and men in decontamination suits were allegedly seen at the site later the next day. Although he has considered the possibility that the object could have been space debris or a test device, Gordon says documents and evidence obtained in the last few years lead more in the direction of it being a "true UFO." John concurs. "It was definitely not of this planet. At the time I was a skeptical teen, but when you see something like that you don't forget it. When you get called out like that from the fire department you think you're going out looking for an aircraft of some sort, not a UFO. "I'll never forget it. I still want to know what the hell it was." ================================================================= 8/89 PARANET FILE NAME: 5689PA.UFO -- ParaNet(sm) Information Service - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ParaNet(sm).Information.Service@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Graham@p0.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Graham) Subject: Re: Tesla, Keely, Et. Al. Date: 9 Mar 91 08:10:04 GMT >I have data on a catastrophic "explosion" (for lack of a better >word, since this coil is built from inert materials) in the New >York area and have heard accounts of similar mishaps in >Philadelphia (2) and Toronto (1). Clark, what is the data you have concerning the "explosion"? Regards, -Jim -- Jim Graham - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Graham@p0.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Kecksburg Date: 8 Mar 91 05:12:01 GMT > Last I heard, there was *speculation* it could've been a Russian > space capsule. Well, if you think about it, it makes sense. It would appear as a fireball during reentry, then the chutes would open and it may change direction as it descends. Then, on the ground, the heatshield may be so hot that it starts fires or glows. The US military would get very excited. Wouldn't that be an interesting way for a cosmonaut to defect?! jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Resonant Gravity Coils Date: 9 Mar 91 12:26:58 GMT From: James Roger Black Regarding toroidal electromagnets and such, here is an interesting passage from 'Confrontations', Jacques Vallee's latest book (p. 45-6): In 1985 private researcher Kenneth Behrendt published a study entitled 'Understanding Metal-Ejecting UFOs,' in which he made the assumption that such devices could fly by generating 'an anti-mass field.' He speculated ingeniously that the intense magnetic field required for this operation could be produced in a 'large toroidal electromagnet with hollow tubular windings that are made from a heat-proof ceramic material,' with the windings filled with a molten metal. The quotations are footnoted: K.R. Behrendt, 'Understanding Metal-Ejecting UFOs,' Annals of Ufological Research Advances 1, No. 4 (November 1985). At least to my untrained eye, there appears to be a marked similarity between Behrendt's gadget and the 'Resonant Gravity Coil' described previously; just use ceramic instead of heat-resistant plastic, and molten aluminum or magnesium instead of wax or glycerine for the dielectric. Don't do this at home, kids. Boiling wax is bad enough, but molten magnesium? Yikes! -- Roger Black, University of Iowa, Iowa City INTERNET: jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Don Sudduth) Subject: Re: Kecksburg Date: 9 Mar 91 16:27:00 GMT The possible radiation sickness described by some of the witnesses may also support the Russian satillite theory. The containment of radio- active materials may not have been much of a concern of the Soviets at that time. -- Don Sudduth - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Sudduth@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Solar Flare Alert - 07 Mar Date: 10 Mar 91 03:29:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Space Echo" * Originally from Bev Freed * Originally dated 03-08-91 11:25 -- MAJOR SOLAR FLARE ALERT -- MARCH 07, 1991 Flare Event Summary Potential Impact Forecast -------- MAJOR ENERGETIC EVENT SUMMARY Three major solar flares exploded from Region 6538 today. The first event was a very powerful proton-type which began at 06:13 UT on 07 March. X-rays peaked at a class X5.5 level at 07:55 UT. The event ended at 08:04 UT. This flare was exceptional in energy output. It generated moderate to strong intensity Type II and IV bursts and was associated with a 3,000 s.f.u. Tenflare which lasted 26 minutes. The flare attained a large class 3B optical rating and was also associated with a 5,400 s.f.u. burst at 245 MHz. This event almost certainly produced a coronal mass ejection with proton activity to the east of the region. No protons were observed near earth. The region is still too far east. This flare was located at S20E66. The second major flare began at 14:03 UT, peaked at 14:05 UT and ended at 14:26 UT. The flare attained a class M5.0/SF rating, and originated from Region 6438 at a location of S22E62. This flare was not particularly powerful. The third major energetic flare began at 23:15 UT, peaked at 23:18 UT and ended at 23:26 UT on 07 March. This major flare was rated a class X2.5/2B Tenflare with a very strong 35,000 s.f.u. burst at 245 MHz. The event was also associated with a 760 s.f.u. Tenflare which lasted 5 minutes. Although powerful, this flare was a short impulsive type which did not produce any sweep frequency events and is not suspected of producing a coronal mass ejection. However, it did produce a moderately intense Sudden Ionospheric Disturbance (SID) and Short Wave Fade (SWF) which disrupted communications on HF frequencies up to 25 MHz. Strong phase shifts followed by strong signal absorption were observed beginning at 23:17 UT over the sunlit sectors. The SWF ended at 23:34 UT on 07 March. POTENTIAL TERRESTRIAL IMPACT FORECAST This latest flare will not likely produce any significant terrestrial impacts. There is a slight risk it could produce active conditions after 10 March, but magnetic or auroral storming is not likely. The region was too far east at the time of the major class X5.5 flare to produce terrestrial impacts. Solar activity will remain high for the next several days at least. Major M-class flares and isolated X-class flares are possible throughout the next 72 hours at least. Region 6538 is capable of producing some very energetic flare activity which could produce intense moderate to long-duration SID's/SWF's over the sunlit areas of the earth. Within the next 24 to 48 hours, Region 6538 will begin to enter the terrestrial impact zone. Major flares after 09 or 10 March could produce potentially moderate terrestrial impacts. Major flares after 11 March will have a high risk for producing high terrestrial impacts which could include major auroral and geomagnetic storming along with potentially strong degradation in radio signal propagation. However, that is still several days away and Region 6538 could conceivably calm down by then. On the other hand, it could also become more energetic. It currently possesses a Beta-Gamma magnetic configuration with significant amounts of shear and high magnetic gradients. The Calcium XV emission from Region 6538 increased to very bright levels during the day today. It appears as though Region 6538 will remain a significant threat throughout the coming week. The position of Region 6538, corrected to 24:00 UT on 08 March is S25E48. It will reside very near the central meridian on 12 March and will cross into the western hemisphere on 13 March. As a side-note, geomagnetic activity will remain at unsettled to active levels throughout most of the coming week. Storm conditions could occur if major flaring continues. Additional alerts and/or updates will continue to be posted daily for as long as necessary. ** End of Alert ** -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Halley's Comet Article Date: 10 Mar 91 03:36:00 GMT * Forwarded from "NASA Space Conference" * Originally from Jato.jpl.nasa.gov!news@scicom.alpha * Originally dated 03-09-91 12:01 From: jato.jpl.nasa.gov!news@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM Date: 9 Mar 91 02:28:33 GMT Message-ID: <11025@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> Newsgroups: alpha.space From: baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) New York Times -- 3/7/91 'Dust Cloud Erupts on Halley's Comet' 'Five years after a much-heralded pass near Earth, an immense dust cloud has erupted from Halley's comet, making it hundreds of times brighter.' The Times reports that the potato-shaped, ice-ball core of Halley's comet had been very faint up until last month when a University of Hawaii astronomer, Dr. Karen Meech, sighted the new apparition. According to the Times, Meech noticed that the comet had sprouted a cloud extending up to 180,000 miles from the icy core of the comet and more than 1,000 times brighter than should be the case for an object so far from the sun. The Times quotes Meech as saying 'to have something turn off and suddenly brighten up at this distance is unheard of.' The story further quotes Smithsonian planetary expert Dr. Brian Marsden as saying 'this is much farther than anything we've observed before.' The article says Marsden and fellow colleagues at the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics noted this will be very hard to explain given the distance from the sun of the comet. The story concludes by citing comments made by astronomer Meech that other comets have produced extended clouds like this but that the other occurrences have been of a continuous cloud, not the sudden appearance of one as happened with Halley's comet. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@mars.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | Is it mind over matter, ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |___ M/S 301-355 | or matter over mind? /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | Never mind. |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | It doesn't matter. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Halley's Comet Date: 10 Mar 91 03:39:00 GMT I am curious among our scientific users if this phenomena related to Halley's Comet in the previous post is a normal feature of a comet? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: movies on WTBS Date: 10 Mar 91 06:18:28 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) This coming week, (Monday, March 11 through Friday, March 15), cable channel WTBS is going to show a movie about parapsychology, UFOlogy, cryptozoology, or similar subjects each day at 1:05 PM Eastern Standard Time. I don't have the list handy; I'm just trying to get out the message ahead of time. Check your local listings. * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'There's UFOs over New Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | York, and I ain't too 37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | surprised.' Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | (John Lennon) 'Nobody told me there'd be days like these... Strange days indeed!' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: that 'fireball' -- potentially high strangeness! Date: 10 Mar 91 06:19:31 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) Clark Matthews writes: +Preliminary reports indicate sightings of a large, spherical, +slow-moving object with four 'exhaust-like' lights and vapor trails. +The object was whitish blue and was observed to change course and +possibly altitude. + +It was first observed over the borough of Queens in New York City at +around midnight 3/5/91 and was last observed by two police officers +in Mastic in eastern Long Island three hours later. + +Observations were reported from aircraft and witnesses on the +ground. This sure sounds to me like it could be connected to that fireball that was seen the same night -- the one which, according to the Associated Press, 'FAA spokeswoman Diane Spitalieri said pilots who called airports in Teeterboro, N. J. and Garden City, N. J. said the bright light was moving back and forth over New York City.' Highly irregular behavior for a fireball! (Of course, it could be a coincidence: there could've been a trufo and a fireball on the same night in the same place at the same time, or even different places and times but reported as the same thing. If that's the case, we're going to have a major battle to fight against the debunkers over this one!) But it gets weirder. An interesting conversation took place on CompuServe: +#: 102263 S10/Paranormal Issues + 06-Mar-91 20:30:58 +Sb: #Eastern US Fireball +Fm: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667 +To: all + +Since it's not legal for me to reproduce APWire reports here, I can only say: +Read the articles at APV-4362 and APV-5774. The former reports that airline +pilots reported to the FAA that Wednesday morning's fireball moved back and +forth over NY City once it got there. The later report (5774) leaves out that +fact and quotes two astronomers (who didn't see it) who dismissed it as a +meteor. Cover-up, or incompetent press? You decide. +One witness described the fireball as 'a boomerang on its side...a cluster of +lights with a fire tail behind it.' (Police officer near Boston.) A boomerang? Are they flying the Hudson Valley craft on its side?! +Other witnesses said it appeared very low, but crossed the sky in a few +seconds. The pilots who saw it 'moving back and forth over New York City' +called two separate New Jersey airports to report their sightings. +#: 102384 S10/Paranormal Issues + 07-Mar-91 03:00:18 +Sb: #102263-#Eastern US Fireball +Fm: James T. Sullivan 76210,1244 +To: Michael Houdeshell 70003,4667 (X) + +Two police officers and several of my friends saw the 'fireball'. I live +Burlington, MA, where a lot of the action took place. Two of my employees told +me they saw it hover, under apparent control, and display some lighting effects +(blue beams). Another weird coincidence: I have a friend in the movie biz who Yikes! Note again that this is not all that far from the HVUFO's old stomping grounds. But it gets *much* weirder: +sculpted Alien's for Communion. I have one sitting on my desk as a big +paperweight. Several people I frequently do business with can't tolerate the +sculpture in the room with them and I'm always forced to remove it. They have +no interest in paranormal events (almost overly derisive of the subject) - they +share that aversion. They are from this area. + +The day before the 'fireball' appeared here, one of these skeptics stormed into +my office to tell me his 9 year old daughter woke him, complaining of little +alien creatures in her bedroom. He scoffed, sent her to bed, behaving like a +good skeptic (he didn't even give her a plausible 'bad dream' explanation). + +Another employee told me today that it woke her right out of bed. I asked her +how - sound, light, smoke? She has no recall. Radio stations have been buzzing +with call-in's all day. Keep in mind that this is not Mayberry RFD, but a large +high-tech sector, just ten minutes from Boston. These latter reports COULD easily be coincidences. It's interesting that the AP talked to Stan Gordon of PASU (Pennsylvania Assoc. for the Study of the Unexplained) and was told that the reports he had received were of a fireball. No strangeness was mentioned. As I mentioned earlier, there could've been both a fireball and a UFO. Or maybe Stan only had preliminary reports at the time. It's interesting that the fireball was reported to have a 'reddish-green' trail, and that green is apparently a very uncommon color for fireballs (from previous discussions here on Paranet.) I can't wait to see if any more reports come in -- particularly high-strangeness reports. * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'There's UFOs over New Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | York, and I ain't too 37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | surprised.' Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | (John Lennon) 'Nobody told me there'd be days like these... Strange days indeed!' -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: More Missing Date: 9 Mar 91 07:20:00 GMT > What are your sources on this information? > Good public sources. The First Fourth is an enduring mystery documented in several of Berlitz's books as well as Dr. Vallee's. Incidentally, the mysterious disappearance of the regiment was mentioned in a display at the Imperial War Museum when I visited there five years ago. The horrible story of Kirimukuyu comes from Jacques Vallee's Confrontations. I have seen it nowhere else, although it closely matches another, unspecific report and they may in fact refer to the same incident. For that matter, most of the awful CEIIIs Vallee documents from the Amazon Basin could qualify as "More Missing". Unfortunately for the victims, they were still alive when they started falling apart... Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: More Missing Date: 9 Mar 91 22:28:00 GMT > Good public sources. The First Fourth is an enduring mystery documented > in several of Berlitz's books as well as Dr. Vallee's. Incidentally, the > mysterious disappearance of the regiment was mentioned in a display at > the Imperial War Museum when I visited there five years ago. > > The horrible story of Kirimukuyu comes from Jacques Vallee's > Confrontations. I have seen it nowhere else, although it closely > matches another, unspecific report and they may in fact refer to the > same incident. > > For that matter, most of the awful CEIIIs Vallee documents from the > Amazon Basin could qualify as "More Missing". Unfortunately for the > victims, they were still alive when they started falling apart... Thanks for the reply. I wonder what contemporary "More Missing" there are? Any information on this? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f4.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: BILL COOPER Date: 8 Mar 91 22:28:00 GMT My Gosh! some of you people have been really hard on Mr. Cooper lately. Don't get me wrong, I don't believe all that Milty says but I will listen to Bill and see what he has to say. This is known as investigation procedures. I would like to add a little bit of comment here and I think that some of the real investigators will agree. When you are out giving lectures like Bill is, you will meet a lot of very interesting people and some of these have some interesting storys to tell. Most good investigators will follow up on these storys and try to verify them and some will just relay what they heard. I think this might be the case on William Cooper. What you might be getting is a lot of garbage from Bill but if you are dumping trash at your local land fill and happen to spot what looks like a diamond ring among the trash, do you tell yourself that its not because all thats here is trash or do you pick it up and examine it. Or if it happened to be a mental patient that was wondering through the desert and happened to find the dead sea scrolls. Would you discard them as not real because the person who found it was missing a few marbles. Some of you seem to make quick judgement because of the source or because you don't understand it. I would like to add that there are a lot of things that can't be explained. If you here tell of a person name Hatonn that tells us whatever it is (I never read his material) listen and make it a piece of your puzzle. This cover-up, UFOs, channeling, ghost, spirits, cattle mulilation, abductions, etc. could be part of the big picture. Don't throw a part of this puzzle away because someday it might fit into the big picture. Don't throw all of Bill Cooper away but put it off to the side if you think its garbage. I have not done or tried to Channel aliens but have sat in on some sections and found them to be most interesting. I have not made a determination if what I see or hear is real but I won't throw it away as garbage. I have no proof that its real or not, so its a part of my puzzle. If you must close your mind to all what Bill Cooper, Hatonn or what ever, then you might as well join the Bay Area Skeptic group. Believe me when I say that you are not getting all the information from the good investigators. They keep a lot of information to themselfs because of different reasons that only they know. Isn't that right Mr. Ecker, Mr. Stevens, Mr. lear, Mr. English, etc. There is no way that I release what I have learn and take a chance to jeopardize someone job or life to satisfy some arm chair Ufologist or Skeptic. There been too many good investigators that lost there jobs because of what they are doing and for what? To listen to a bunch of skeptics. These few people are trying to find the answers or puzzle to the big picture. OK, maybe Bill Cooper has just a little bit of common decency and won't release his source of information as he promise to that person. Just a thought! I know to some of you that this is impossible but I feel that there is good in all of us somewhere. He sure hasn't shown too much of this in the last couple of years from what I've heard. But I am going to look for that small ray of sunlight that is being block by that empty liquor bottle. He is a good speaker and can be a big help to the Ufology field if he can strighten himself out. And maybe he did read Grudge 13, who knows for sure but him. 73's to all ---Jim--- -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com ADMIN Address infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************