Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 391 Monday, April 15th 1991 Today's Topics: Ivan Sanderson Question from a UFOlogy Sig User - Help Re: A Seti Update Message Statistics Duplicates UFO Mag. Vol.6 No.3 Offer to ParaNet Re: HUMAN VISITORS SOLAR FLARES/SOVIET FIRST CONTACT PROBES Resonant Coil Implications? Re: Bill Cooper Re: Resonant Coil Implications? New Affiliates Re: physics, orders of magnitude ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Ivan Sanderson Date: 12 Apr 91 08:25:00 GMT > Going > by memory, I think he was an investigator in the late 60's in > the > Washington area, possibly associated with such Bigfoot > relatedpersonell as Rene Dahinden (sp?) and Roger Patterson. > Does this make sense? > James > Hi James. Actually he was based in Little Silver, New Jersey. He ran SITU (Society for the Investigation of the Unexplained) and published a magazine called Pursuit. I have several copies of Pursuit from my subscription, placed not long before Sanderson's death -- they're among my most treasured possessions. Dr. Sanderson did investigate many aspects of Forteana, and was one of the first people to suggest that "vortices" of some kind could be responsible for UFO navigation and disappearances in and around the Bermuda Triangle, not to mention Bigfeet and other anomalous animals. He's also regarded as the father of the study of "Fafrotskies" (anomalous things that FAll FROm The SKIES), like fish, frogs, coins, or 100-year-old newspapers. It's worth remembering that one of the most sensational disappearances took place near Sanderson's home in N.J.: A farmer walked across a field, away from his family & neighbors, and disappeared before their eyes. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Question from a UFOlogy Sig User - Help Date: 12 Apr 91 08:28:00 GMT To: aa440@cleveland.freenet.edu (Dale Wedge) > 3. Does the 'National Reconnaissance Organization' still > exist, and what > can they tell us about UFO activities? > > I never heard of it, have you? > The National Reconaissance Office (NRO) is probably the most secret US intelligence agency that receives appropriations from Congress. Supposedly, the mission of the NRO is to plan, execute, and maintain satellite intelligence gathering activities and to a more "limited" extent, to assemble and collate satellite intelligence (SATINT). The last I heard every aspect of this agency -- including its budget, its name, and the identity of all its personnel -- was top secret. It does not appear on any published or secure Congressional materials, including public and secret budget appropriations. You asked "what the NRO can tell us about UFO activities." I have no idea what it could tell us. It won't ever tell us anything, of course. Quite likely, it will become interested in us for asking. Feel better now? > 6. This is a long one. How can the assassination of President > Kennedy/MJ- > 12/The Council of Foreign Relations/The Joint Alien, U.S., > U.S.S.R/The > Deaths and or disappearance of prominate civilian and > military people > and the manned base on the moon connect? > Simple. The moon base is the first of a series of Holiday Spas/Global Warming shelters created to house the members of the Trilateral Commission in the lap of luxury during the Third World War. The plans for the place are all laid out in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The first development contracts were awarded almost 80 years ago, in 1913, to Count Zaharoff and another even shadier arms merchant. George Bernard Shaw learned the secret, but was murdered a scant 22 years after writing Major Barbara in an attempt to expose the plot. The moonbase is financed by 15% of all money-center bank earnings, supplemented by satellite enterprises like international drug sales, romance novel publishing, zero-money-down real estate tape learning kits, AMWAY distributorships, and Mount Shasta condo timeshares. A cadre of Freemasons built and maintain the moonbase. They were trained in zero-g underground facilities in Nevada, where they learned the latest space construction and nouvelle cuisine cooking techniques. The Mormons provide the entertainment (the Osmonds). John & Robert Kennedy discovered the plot and planned to turn the place into a celestial swing club. But the Mafia and CIA liquidated them and Marilyn Monroe, too, leaving only Peter Lawford and Jimmy Hoffa to warn off inquisitive strangers. I learned all this whilst serving as a crypto-clerk aboard HMS Indefensible, off the Galopagos Islands, in 1977. I was killed because of what I knew, but was teleported back to this reality thanks to a top-secret US Navy experiment- gone-haywire at a clandestine facility in New Jersey. I awoke in this body, with Don King leaning over me, in the alley next to the so-called Garden State Alternator Rebuilding Company in Hackensack. Before the CIA killed me, my name was Otis T. Carr. The only way to protect my life is to go public now. I make no claims -- I only say these things to encourage you to check them out for yourself. But if you send me $25, I'll say a lot more of these things and send you a tape. Is everything becoming clearer? Cheers! Otis (Clark) -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: A Seti Update Date: 9 Apr 91 16:47:00 GMT Clark Matthews said: > > Why are politicians always such self-serving > poltroons? > It is called convincing the "rubes" back home to re-elect the "self serving poltroon". Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (sm) Subject: Message Statistics Date: 11 Apr 91 19:27:00 GMT DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Overview of message topics "ParaNet UFO Echo" first: Wed, Mar 1st 1989, 22:31 last: Fri, Apr 12nd 1991, 1:28 DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD (none) .................................................... 21 5.6% Bill Cooper ............................................... 17 4.5% Kecksburg ................................................. 12 3.2% Serios Business ........................................... 12 3.2% Rick Redux ................................................ 10 2.7% Fcc Modem Charge .......................................... 9 2.4% Ss433 ..................................................... 9 2.4% Gravitational Magnetism ................................... 8 2.1% Question From A Ufology Sig User - Help ................... 7 1.9% Statements Of Acceptable Proof ............................ 7 1.9% They're Here!!!! .......................................... 7 1.9% A Seti Update ............................................. 6 1.6% Coverup? .................................................. 6 1.6% Haaton Stuff, Etc ......................................... 6 1.6% More Missing .............................................. 6 1.6% Philadelphia Meteor 4/5/91 ................................ 6 1.6% Resonant Coil Implications? ............................... 6 1.6% Goof ...................................................... 5 1.3% Hatonn And The Pleiades ................................... 5 1.3% Ivan Sanderson ............................................ 5 1.3% KOA ....................................................... 5 1.3% Tesla, Keely, Et. Al ...................................... 5 1.3% ''the Search For Schroedinger's Cat ....................... 4 1.1% File Disclaimers .......................................... 4 1.1% Human Visitors ............................................ 4 1.1% Paranet Newsletter 372 .................................... 4 1.1% Red Light Special ......................................... 4 1.1% Skeptics .................................................. 4 1.1% Thanks, Jerry! ............................................ 4 1.1% 'either-or' Thinking ...................................... 3 0.8% Arui ...................................................... 3 0.8% Belgian Reports ........................................... 3 0.8% Fiery Objects Fall On Northern Texas ...................... 3 0.8% Halley's Comet Article .................................... 3 0.8% Hello & Have You Heard??? ................................. 3 0.8% Indian Has Ufo's??? ....................................... 3 0.8% Lazar End 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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 13.9% DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD average message posting frequency per week DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD Monday ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 18.2% Tuesday ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 12.3% Wednesday ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 16.0% Thursday ~~~~~~~~~~~~-- ParaNet(sm) Information Service - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ParaNet(sm).Information.Service@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Duplicates Date: 11 Apr 91 22:01:00 GMT We are sorry for the rash of duplicate messages floating around the network. The problem is being studied and will be rectified very soon. Thanks, Michael Corbin Director -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: mcorbin@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: UFO Mag. Vol.6 No.3 Date: 11 Apr 91 22:04:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine" * Originally from Don Ecker * Originally dated 04-10-91 23:54 The new issue of UFO just went to press. The third issue of 1991 looks at the theme of alternative energy, what may power UFO type craft, an excellent and thought provoking look at the possiblity of "matter transporting", the new refocused SDI, and an update on the Integratron. These are just a few examples of what this issue covers. Oh, did I mention that Mike Corbin speaks on his thoughts concerning an article by Jeff Mitchell in the last issue. (Vol.6 No.2)in regard to Mitchell's claim of offical saboteurs damaging UFOlogy. All in all another great issue. Don -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Offer to ParaNet Date: 11 Apr 91 22:05:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Ask UFO Magazine" * Originally from Don Ecker * Originally dated 04-11-91 00:03 To all ParaNet users and members. With the rising cost of postage, printing and so forth, UFO Magazine found it necessary to raise the cost of single issues of UFO to $3.95, and as of July 1, 1991, the cost of one years subscription has risen to $21.00 U.S. and foreign subscriptions at $28.00 U.S. UFO Magazine is offering a special deal to ParaNet users and members. Until July 1st, if you decide to subscribe to UFO Magazine, and MENTION that you saw this offer on ParaNet, you can get a years subscription for $17.50 in the U.S., and if you are outside the U.S. the rate is $26.00. This is not limited for one year, you may take out as many years subs as you care to. HOWEVER, this will only run to July 1. If you need additional information, leave mail here, or Netmail me. Don Ecker -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@f422.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: HUMAN VISITORS Date: 9 Apr 91 16:31:00 GMT As far as why do "visitors" have similar features. I have a few answers. One is that what we see is controlled to a large extent by our previous context and perceeptions. Since it appears that not too many people have had good close up views, it might be fair in my opinion to say that they are describing what they see in terms of what reality we know. It's difficult to describe something to someone when they have no concept of what it is you are trying to create a visual image of for their mind. Second point is that certian physical features are logical for advancement and abilitys. Opposing thumbs for grasping (no comment on how many fingers though) Two eyes for parralex vision. Two ears for binaural hearing. Method of ingesting nutrition, (once again may not include a mouth and teeth like ours). Method of communication, verbal and written. Mobility, a capacity for intellegence. I think you get the idea I am head towards. The logic in my viewpoint is that beings with six arms, two heads and 8 eyes are less likely than something _similar_ in nature to the human form. I'm in no way trying to say that it is impossible for another intelegent life form to have all of the above different, it just makes more sense physically to have a like construction. Last of all, even if there is a high probability that there is life elsewhere, why presume they/it is visiting us at all? -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ray.Mutchler@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Ray Mutchler) Subject: SOLAR FLARES/SOVIET FIRST CONTACT PROBES Date: 12 Apr 91 04:10:00 GMT I just wanted everyone to know that solar flares are REALLY Secret Soviet First Contact Probes being sent into the sun to meet Satan. Thank you for your attention. -- Ray Mutchler - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ray.Mutchler@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Resonant Coil Implications? Date: 11 Apr 91 05:20:00 GMT In a message to Clark Matthews <07 Apr 91 11:18> Jim Graham wrote: JG> He drew diagrams and so on, but when he JG> got to the center of the toroid and JG> how the fields (remember, there must be JG> at least two in this thing) would JG> interact, he was lost. Remember the old 'Outer Limits' episode, where the millionaire financed the takeover of a local power plant...so some researchers could built their test chamber to explore alternate dimensions? They theorized that the doorway would open if they generated enough power and suddenly *reversed* the magnetic and electrical properties of the atoms of objects in the chamber, by reversing the high-current polarity. I know this is an old fantasy script, but does anyone see any possibility to this...or is it the usual SF's hokey play on little understood physics? -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tyson Mitchiner) Subject: Re: Bill Cooper Date: 11 Apr 91 03:30:00 GMT > I agree with you 100 % on your statement. If a person was > released from prison after spending 40 years for a ccrim and > while walking down to the local diner to get himself some > real food. If a UFO flew over his head, stopped and pick him > up as in the Ed Walters case, should we throw out his > testimony because he had a prison record? Should we throw out > all what Bill Cooper says because he goes off the deep end > sometimes? I don't think so, are courts won't let you use > pass crimes in a case, then why do the ufologist have double > standards. Why must we have to drag a alien space craft in > the middle of Washington D.C. for some to accept that this is > the only proof that they can except. Why always this double > standard that we try to create. I will repeat this to all > that are reading this, I know that they exist and I am not > going to play this game that some like to play. I think its > time to try and find out the WHO, WHAT, WHERE AND HOW. Tyson; > with the logic you have, you will help find these answers > that we all are seeking. 73's ---Jim--- Yes.. I try to avoid wasting time arguing right now if they exist or not. I do not have sufficient proof to decide that, so for now, I will consider all sorts of information that I can recieve, with the hope I will be able to finally have enough pieces to fit the puzzle of this phenomenon. Considering all sorts of information is crucial too. At first, they may seem ludricious, but I will not ignore them, for somewhere down the line, I may find something that links with that information. The more I learn, the more I know where to look, and the more closer I am to finding what actually is the truth. Tyson -- Tyson Mitchiner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tyson.Mitchiner@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Re: Resonant Coil Implications? Date: 10 Apr 91 21:59:00 GMT Oh, you read it too.... > > I too wish _someone_ would build this thing. Of > course, it can't really be > studied unless more than one is built. > I've given it some consideration too. I've got most of the xformers, sealed Westinghouse mfg'd, and would think it'd be easy to build the rest. > > I'll probably regret this, but I would like to point > out that I work as an > electronics engineer at a medium-energy nuclear > research facility. > My condolensces, I'm just an out of work physicist. > > The only part of this project that I can see might > present a problem is > fabrication of the toroid shell itself. Everything > else is cake. > Yeah, that's what's bugging me, suggestions? > > BTW: I showed the original gravity paper to an > "expert" and he tried in every > way he knew how to predict what the EM fields would do > in this device. > Personally, I don't expect much out of this thing > except for some heat and > perhaps some rather nasty EMP's, but I think it should > be built (and by multiple participants). > Hmmm, I'm still considering that the power supplies present the most threat. All else appears to be quite normal. Suspending electrostatic fields by way of electromagnets is a known element. -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) Subject: New Affiliates Date: 12 Apr 91 18:35:00 GMT This is to welcome three new affiliates to the ParaNet family. John Hrusovszky ParaNet KAPPA(sm) Auburndale, WI 715-652-2758 9600 HST John Feilke ParaNet LAMBDA(sm) Lincolnton, NC 704-732-1852 9600 HST Pat Pushor ParaNet MU(sm) Calgary, Alberta CANADA 403-289-1209 2400 On behalf of ParaNet, WELCOME! Please take a moment and introduce yourselves to the group. Michael Corbin Director -- ParaNet(sm) Information Service - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ParaNet(sm).Information.Service@f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: physics, orders of magnitude Date: 11 Apr 91 01:55:00 GMT KL> > One more point: Kurt's reply implies that I might KL> > think '_gravity is a resultant of space and time._' Not space and time. Mass and time. I posted that. KL>Don't worry about it, even Einstein had problem with KL>that particular concept, heheh..... KL> KL> > I follow the orthodox view that gravity is due to the KL> > curvature of space-time and that it should be KL> > formalizable as a relativistic QM theory involving the KL> > exchange of spin-2 gravitons. KL> KL>I don't. Me neither, Kurt. Einstein`s entire construct of a universe bound by gravitons is under greater & greater strain, :-). By now we should have at least SOME evidence of gravitons. But we don't. As Sherlock Holmes said: "Then there's the curious fact of the barking dog..." (Watson) "But Holmes, there WAS no barking dog." "Yes. And that is the curious thing..." Graviton = arf, arf, arf... 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