Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 397 Friday, May 3rd 1991 Today's Topics: (none) Re: Pleidians need better calculators! Re: Paranet Newsletter 395 (none) Re: Ivan Sanderson Mars, etc. Alien alloys Re: Csicop members 'UFO Abductions' show on CBS Re: INCIDENT-INDIAN POINT Re: Csicop members Bill Cooper New Affiliate Re: Incident-indian Point Re: Ivan Sanderson Tibetan Music ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: (none) Date: 29 Apr 91 23:37:06 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) ? ? Can you give me any information as to where I can ? obtain a copy of the Phoenix Journals? ? ? Thanks. ? ? Bryce Eckstein - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 The Phoenix Journals are available from America West Publishers, Inc. P.O. Box 986 Tehachapi, CA 93581 Phone: 1-800-729-4131 Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ncar!neptune.convex.com!swarren Subject: Re: Pleidians need better calculators! Date: 30 Apr 91 01:40:23 GMT From: swarren@neptune.convex.com (Steve Warren) +From: ncar!anubis.network.com!logajan +Subject: Pleidians need better calculators! +Date: 28 Apr 91 07:28:27 GMT + +Ongoing inflation is a result, not of the fractional reserve +system, per se, since it was a one time impulse which converged, +as my Basic program shows, to a certain money supply, given an +initial money supply, but rather the result of government +manipulations which increase the reserves -- i.e. the so called +(and correctly called) 'printing presses.' The federal government does not print any money. They have to buy their money at face value from the federal reserve. If they do not have enough tax revenues to buy the reserve notes they need to run the government, then they have to issue debt notes to the public in order to get the cash. +The primary beneficiary of inflation is the government itself, +rather than the bankers. I'm not saying that bankers don't have +favored status in the eyes of the government, but there is no way +they are making a 20:1 profit on deposits (because there is no +mechanism, as I have shown, to allow them to do so.) This is the hilarious misconception that people have. If the federal government could just print money, do you think we would have the level of national dept that we do? Congress could just order the printers to pull a few all-nighters, and in short order all the debts would be payed off. ;^) For that matter, why would they have ever gotten into debt in the first place, right? +The benefit the government gets from inflation is that it is +simply printing up money. The fact that it smuggles it out +through the fractional reserve banking system is almost +irrelevant. The Federal government cannot add a single new dollar bill into circulation. Only the Federal Reserve Board, a private corporation that answers directly to no government agency, has the authority to print new money. And they do it at their own discretion. The government issues new bonds to buy any new money that is printed, but the combined pleading of the President and all of Congress will not get new money printed, if the Reserve is not in the mood to generate new money. (When I say 'new money' I am talking about excess money, above and beyond what already existed in the money supply, not the money that is printed to replace worn out bills). It would be difficult to find a sweeter scam than the one that the owners of the Federal Reserve are benefiting from today. They are putting the wealth of America in their back pockets, and they come out looking like our great benefactors, because they are 'regulating' our money supply for us and keeping our economy nice and stable. Gee, thanks, guys. You are right, though, this doesn't have anything to do with aliens. ;^) _. --Steve ._||__ DISCLAIMER: All opinions are my own. Warren v\ *| ---------------------------------------------- V {uunet,sun}!convex!swarren; swarren@convex.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yokatta@oxy.edu Subject: Re: Paranet Newsletter 395 Date: 30 Apr 91 20:21:29 GMT From: yokatta@oxy.edu (Scott Littleton) +I think your postscript may make the key point in my argument: Have +you read any of Vallee's books? You might be particularly +interested in 'Passport to Magonia' and "Dimensions". Dear Clark, Even though I'm not quite sure about your argument, I'm very glad to hear that you find my ideas interesting. Yes, I have indeed read Vallee's books (am in the middle of CONFRONTATIONS at the moment) and have a great deal of respect for his ideas, although I still find the ETH the most efficient explanation, at least from the standpoint of Occam's Razor--that is, the Principle of Parsimony. The probability that other worlds similar to our own orbit relatively nearby stars is very high indeed, while the presence of alternate universes, though certainly within the purview of contemporary physics (at least as I understand it), is much more problematic. I suggest that, unless someone comes up with proof positive that the creatures in question come from another dimension, or whatever, we had best operate on the assumption that our 'visitors' come from the same universe we inhabit, even though they've obviously long since figured out how to violate (or bypass) 'Einstein's speed limit' (i.e., the speed of light) and do other "tricks" that sometimes make them APPEAR to be insubstantial. However, I emphatically agree with Vallee's linkage of the ancient images of the 'little people' and most contemporary perceptions of our so-called 'visitors.' His insight here was remarkable. Indeed, the medieval accounts of visits to 'fairyland' (see Katherine Briggs, et al.) closely parallel contactee/abductee accounts of alien bases. That such close-in outposts were finally abandoned a few centuries ago in favor of heavily concealed, subterranean (or sub-Antarctic?) complexes as we humans began to evolve a more secular, technologically sophisticated culture would make good sense. Let me add that, without meaning to sound like von Daniken, et al., the available evidence (mostly mythological) leads me to suspect that the first batch of alien explorers probably arrived here just before the end of the Pleistocene, and that they have been systematically observing us ever since. That one or more different--and perhaps less altruistically motivated--would-be extraterrestrial 'Conquistadores' turned up several millennia later also seems probable, as does the hypothesis that they fought and lost (or at least failed to win decisively) what amounted to a 'colonial war' with the first-comers for control of the planet. As I said, the evidence here is almost exclusively mythological (e.g., the Greek Titanomachyia, the Old Norse accounts of the war between the Aesir and the Vanir, the Biblical 'Rage in Heaven,' the conflict between Marduk and Tiamat in Babylonian mythology, the several divine invasions of Ireland, as described in the LEBOR GABALA, Seth versus Horus in ancient Egyptian mythology, the Aztec and Inca origin myths, etc., etc.), but it's certainly persuasive. Some sort of mutual accomodation seems to have been reached between the several colonial 'powers,' however, as at least some of the losers (i.e., those that don't resemble the 'Greys') still seem to be involved with us. But I've taken up far too much space here. Sometime in the future I'll comment on another widespread assumption: that genus Homo (or at least H. sapiens sapiens) was somehow 'seeded' by our extraterrestrial colonial masters. It makes no sense whatsoever in light of what we currently know about this most crucial phase in hominid evolution. Again, Occam's Razor. . . I look forward to further exchanges. Cheers, Scott -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ames!scubed!ncr-sd!ncrwic!donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM!jsurine Subject: (none) Date: 30 Apr 91 22:56:20 GMT From: donald.WichitaKS.NCR.COM!jsurine Well, I think all this ranting about scientific method and who's debunking who isn't helping answer very many questions about the ufo phenomina. What we need is a helpful guide for the average person so they can be the best at providing useful information so we can all answer the questions at hand. Here's my start at some helpful questions that could be useful if answered. You happen to see a UFO and you have your camera with, you even remeber to take the lense cap off. The next day when you get the pictures back from the developer they are all blurry. What should you do for the following night so you get better pictures? You happen upon a recently crashed UFO what should you do? You happen upon a not so recently crashed UFO what should you do? You meet someone who has seen a UFO how do you get a reliable account from them? You are abducted by a UFO and are about to be made to forget everything how do you insure you can remeber? How do you keep a low profile with respect to govt disinformation and UFO harrasment types? You have a piece of a UFO how should you have it studied? You find an alien critter cutting up one of your cattle, you happen to have your trusty rifle handy, what should you do? You have a dead alien critter what should you do? You happen to have access to govt UFO info (documents, samples, actual craft) how do you release this info? You're an archeoligist (sp?) who is the first to discover that the ancient Chinese had portable crystal powered walkmans, what should you do? Well, I got the ball rolling, let's hope this is a more interesting thread than some of the stuff I've been seeing. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Re: Ivan Sanderson Date: 24 Apr 91 21:23:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to Clark Matthews LB> Clark, LB> I remember reading the one about the farmer. His LB> voice, crying for help, was heard for some time from the LB> spot where he disappeared. Kinda gives ya the willies... LB> Linda Linda, wasn't that in the book by Morris K. Jessup "Case of the UFO". I also remember reading that also but not sure where. 88's ---Jim--- -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ncar!apple.com!well!ddrasin Subject: Mars, etc. Date: 1 May 91 07:36:46 GMT From: well!ddrasin@apple.com (Dan Drasin) +From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) + ' ... The title is NASA RECONSIDERS FINDINGS: Martian Pyramids and + Humanoid Face May Hold Clues to Our Earthbound Origins. I'll also + include a couple of xerox copies of the Face & pyramids. Thanks for + your interest!' Linda, what's the context? Is this something you've written? Something in the current press somewhere? I'm currently collaborating with Dr. Mark Carlotto on the next book about the Martian anomalies and am certainly interested in hearing about anything in print related to the subject. Thanks. ------------------- Note to all: By the way, I'll be attending the First World UFO Congress, at the Hilton in Tucson, between May 3 and 7. I realize that the organizer, Wendelle Stevens, is not exactly worshipped in the particular ufological subculture represented by Paranet, but frankly I'm surprised that an event of this magnitude has received virtually no notice here -- not even a derisive putdown! Interestingly, most of the speakers are from overseas, and it looks like a chock-full five- day schedule reflecting a wide range of information, contact experiences, etc. There will also be a large UFO-related expo (UFO Expo West) in LA the following weekend. Sounds like a bit of a circus, but speakers will include Edith Fiore, William Bramley, Al Bielek, Budd Hopkins, Linda Howe, Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman, Vicki Cooper, Don Ecker, Bill Hamilton and others. It will take place at the Hyatt Hotel at the LA Intl. Airport, May 11 and 12. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan Drasin ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us%Apple.Com --------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: stl-06sima.army.mil!wmartin Subject: Alien alloys Date: 1 May 91 12:11:18 GMT From: Will Martin Some of the recent discussion mentioned the possibility of an artifact being examined by scienists and declared to be definitely not of Terran origin, and that this would meet Klass' definition of 'proof' of alien visitation. This sort of concept is pretty common in SF and in UFO- related discussions -- alloys or materials 'not of this earth'. What I'm wondering is if modern technology has reached a point where it may be next to impossible to examine some exotic material and truly state that it is beyond human capability to produce it. After all, we can produce some pretty wild stuff nowadays. It may not be economic to produce it in quantity or use it for mundane applications, but given a modern materials lab and a big budget, are there things that are theoretically possible that we still cannot make? What would be a good example of a substance which, if I had a chunk of it, would be proof of alien contact? (Kryptonite doesn't count! :-) I think we can ignore the old pulp-sci-fi standbys of new elements (even if Lazar refers to them :-); what we'd be discussing are alloys and materials treatments which would take regular everyday elements and compounds and get vastly superior performance out of them. The periodic table and the atomic mechanics of elements are pretty well known, and we're not going to find out the Arcturans make their ships out of element 33 1/3rd... :-) There may be creatable and even stable transuranics we don't know of, but they'd be heavy and not the sort of thing you'd build spacecraft out of. Stuff we have now would be considered incomprehensible a hundred years ago, I suppose; what would a materials lab in 1900 make of the parts found in a modern fighter plane, like the titanium and carbon-fiber and optical fibers and ceramic coatings and various alloys? Would scientists of that time, given a pile of broken F-18 parts, have declared they came from outer space, or would they have been able to determine that they were of earthly origin and just manufactured with techniques they could not define? Regards, Will wmartin@stl-06sima.army.mil -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen) Subject: Re: Csicop members Date: 26 Apr 91 04:00:38 GMT > I used to know the answer to this question, but now I'm just guessing. > But I think you've nailed them all. The only one I'm not real certain > of is Alcock. Oh, and I think I read somewhere that whatsisname from > Cal Poly, the guy that plays with Pterodactyls.....MacReady, I think > he was named a couple of years back, wasn't he? Beats the heck out of me. They're not exactly publicising this anywhere that I know of. I suspect that appointment to the Executive Council is some arcane process, like being beatified by the Church. Best Regards, Rick M. P.S.: Need a place to stay near Berkeley, May 3-5? I might be able to put you up, if you're coming up for the conference. Among my house- guests will be Becky Long, trainee investigator for MUFON and president of Georgia Skeptics. You could have some interesting conversations in our kitchen, methinks. -- Rick Moen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike Dobbs Subject: 'UFO Abductions' show on CBS Date: 2 May 91 23:36:29 GMT CBS will be airing a show called 'UFO Abductions' on May 17 at 8pm. It was made as a pilot for a series but I doubt that it will become one. Victor & Grais Productions of Venice, CA produced the show. -------- Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: INCIDENT-INDIAN POINT Date: 25 Apr 91 18:07:00 GMT > Don, > > Didn't Greenwood and Fawcett write about Indian Point in their book > Clear Intent, I read it some where was that it? More likely in Night Siege, I don't think Indian Point is mentioned in Clear Intent. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Csicop members Date: 27 Apr 91 23:49:00 GMT > P.S.: Need a place to stay near Berkeley, May 3-5? I might be able to > put you up, if you're coming up for the conference. Among my house- > guests will be Becky Long, trainee investigator for MUFON and president > of Georgia Skeptics. You could have some interesting conversations in > our kitchen, methinks. Sorry, won't be making it up there, I just took a job as John Sununu's travel agent and will be very busy. ;-) MUFON and the Georgia Skeptics, eh? When she arrives, let me know and we can at least correspond here for a couple of days. Thanks for the offer, Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Bill Cooper Date: 28 Apr 91 08:06:00 GMT > From: ak842@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Douglas Dever) > > > 'Flashing red lights don't make an alian spacecraft :-) ' > (Or something to that effect) > I never said that they did... I just thought that I've seen enough prove > to believe that the crafts to exsist and are visiting this planed. My > earlier message made a bad assuption about Skeptics. Sorry... > As for the flashing red lights... imagine someone like that living near > an airport... 'Hello... yea... there's a UFO going over my house ever 5 > or so minutes.... ' :-) Your above statement sounds as if it implies that the craft are from outside of this planet. What proof have you seen of this? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) Subject: New Affiliate Date: 28 Apr 91 08:09:00 GMT This is to welcome a new ParaNet Affiliate. ParaNet TAU-DELTA(sm) Dan Sjolseth Simi Valley, CA 1-805-583-UFOS (8367) On behalf of the ParaNet family, WELCOME. Please introduce yourself and your interests to the group. Michael Corbin Director -- ParaNet(sm) Information Service - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ParaNet(sm).Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: Incident-indian Point Date: 27 Apr 91 09:04:00 GMT I believe you are refering to "Night Siege" by Hynek, Imbrogno and Pratt. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Ivan Sanderson Date: 28 Apr 91 18:54:00 GMT Jim: You could be right about the book. I don't know where I spotted that info about the farmer, only that it "stayed with me." I'll let you know if I run across the story again. Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ncar!shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Tibetan Music Date: 3 May 91 15:42:12 GMT From: James Roger Black The Musical Heritage Society has just released a recording of Tibetan music entitled 'Sacred Music of the Diamond Realm'. 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