Abduction Digest, Number 40 Wednesday, January 15th 1992 Today's Topics: Premature Births Advice Re: abductions abductions and FPP Premature Births Salem Therapist Australian abductions Australian abductions 2 Australian abductions3 Australian abductions 4 Australian abductions 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Premature Births Date: 14 Jan 92 05:16:01 GMT In a message to All <12-Jan-92 18:03> Brent Wilcox wrote: BW> I'm aware of the "birth trauma" theory of abductions, and BW> wonder is anyone has looked for premie births in the data. BW> Even more potentially traumatic than birth itself might be BW> being stuck in an incubator and/or hooked to life support BW> equipment. Interesting commentary Brent. The individual would of course have no conscious recollection of this neo-natal vestige, although the effects on the psyche, as you suggest, could be profound. I am unaware if any such statistical data has been compiled. Perhaps some of the others on this echo are so informed. Take care, -- Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Advice Date: 13 Jan 92 06:17:00 GMT > I guess the big question is, what advice does one give a potential > abduction victim who has no desire for hypnosis? Have her be sure she writes down *every tidbit* at the time she recalls it. Very important that she take the time *right then* to write it down. She could later look over all that stuff and it might trigger more memories. I'll forward your message to a local sympathetic shrink via netmail; maybe he can help. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg) Subject: Re: abductions Date: 13 Jan 92 10:19:53 GMT Someone seems to have a real attitude about Mensa. Geesh, calm down. Now back to the subject at hand... Yes, there is obviously a strong connection between Mensa and religious beliefs. However, I really don't think this proves much in the field of UFO work. I will be very interested, amazed, and willing to listen if Mensa members can *produce* evidence to support their religious claims. Well, I am babbling as usual due to me writing this at 3:30 am so I suppose I will close for now. Danny Brandenburg -- Danny Brandenburg - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg) Subject: abductions and FPP Date: 13 Jan 92 10:29:18 GMT Has there been a general demographic description of abductees? This would be very interesting to look at. I would predict (just a groundless belief) that "most" (not all) people that claim abduction experience would be from a non-traditional religious background (ie. New Age, etc.). If this is true, one cannot easily explain why there are others from other religious backgrounds (ie. Christian, atheist, etc.) also have these experiences. Personally, I do believe that the abduction claims are true...to an extent. I still have a hard time believing the abductions are attributed to "aliens", but there is certainly something happening. Too much evidence has been collected (and being collected) to dismiss this as fantasy alone. Danny Brandenburg -- Danny Brandenburg - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brent Wilcox) Subject: Premature Births Date: 14 Jan 92 21:08:45 GMT In a message to Brent Wilcox <13 Jan 92 22:16> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote: SW> Interesting commentary Brent. The individual would of course have SW> no conscious recollection of this neo-natal vestige, although the SW> effects on the psyche, as you suggest, could be profound. Yes. Instead of cozy maternal imprinting and bonding, the infant is whisked away by friendly, caring strangers who isolate it and often perform medical proceedures on it (until recently newborns were operated on without anesthesia). Sounds uncannilly -- to me -- like the "caring but alien" treatment some abductees report. I was a premie myself, and spent several weeks in an incubator. I've never had a classic "abduction experience", but I did have recurrent dreams in my very early childhood that seem similar to those some report (in my case, little figures who carried me out of bed and up to "the attic") -- which I can best trace back to post-birth experiences. It was running into a couple other "premies" -- who actually claimed abduction-like encounters but discounted their post-birth experiences as anything but coincidence -- that got me thinking about this angle. But then, as a lifetime fan of science fiction, a follower of fortean stuff since about the age of 9 or 10, and a writer, I'm no doubt a "fantasy prone person" too. -- Brent Wilcox - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Salem Therapist Date: 15 Jan 92 05:46:01 GMT Hello David, I've been corresponding with a very capable psychologist (Psy. D.) in Salem, OR, who is most interested in becoming more involved with abduction therapy. She has received a few cases through MUFON referrals, but none have proven to be, in her opinion, without complicating coexisting issues, which the subjects were unwilling to explore. I know there are individuals in that area that might be looking for a qualified therapist to aid in coping with and understanding their experience. Would you possibly be able to assist her in making some connections? By the way... her area of focus has been sexually abused women. Thanks -- -- Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Australian abductions Date: 8 Jan 92 03:17:00 GMT Hullo David, Allow me to introduce myself. Keith Basterfield, aged 41, living in Adelaide, South Australia. I have been interested in the UFO phenomenon since 1968. Whilst accepting that there is core UFO phenomenon beneath the thousands of reports I have been advocating an exploration of all angles before reaching a conclusion. When applied to the abduction phenomenon I have been suggesting a thorough exploration of potential psychological explanations before proceeding to alternative hypotheses. Some 2 years ago I teamed up with Sociologist Bob Bartholomew to explore the fantasy-prone personality as a possible hypothesis to explain some/all abductions. This work recently saw light of day in a US Psych Journal. This work was a suggestion to clinicians/abduction researcers to do some testing since I did not have the scientific background to undertake it myself. Ken Ring's work on NDErs and abductees said the FPP link was weak/non-existent. CUFOS are almost through some psych testing of the FPP hypothesis and I await their results with interest. If abductees don't rate well as FPP then I think we can then move on to other hypotheses. The ETH may then rate as the best fit. I have taken this slow route because health professionals will themselves wish to ensure no psych explanations fit before considering other hypotheses. The US Psych article was intended to get people to look at the topic not suggest we had THE answer. Since co-writing the article I have worked with a number of abductees in my home state. Some seem to fit the FPP some don't. A while ago Michael Corbin asked me to describe some of our abduction/missing times cases. This and the following messages provided summaries of the 17 cases I have been associated with over the last few years:- 1. Sep/Oct 1970 Sydney New South Wales "Adrian". One night a man noticed a red/orange glow in the bush close to his home. He took his dog and went to investigate. Getting closer to it he saw a glow illuminating the area. His dog became excited and dashed into the bush. There next appears a discontinuity in his physical and emotional recall-an apparent period of "missing time." He next recalled seeing an owl fly past him and he could hear his own internal thought : 'There's something I should remember.' Strangely, he felt comfortable with this, lost interest in the glow and went home. (UFORA91036 Keith Basterfield and Julia Elsbeth). 2. 1972 Largs Bay South Australia "Carol Williams." A 27 year old woman reported a lifelong series of experiences which commenced with a CE1 at age 6. This was followed by other UFO experiences, poltergeist activity, telepathy, precognitive dreams, an out of body experience, lucid dreams, hypnagogic imagery and sleep paralysis, amongst other things. Of particular interest was a recurrent nightmare of encounters with a strange dwarf in an unusual room. Memories of some of these events were triggered after watching an "Unsolved Mysteries" segment on abductions on television. Under regression recollection eventuated of one abduction at age 9. Partial recollection of a second possible abduction at age 15 ran into a mental block. A friend of hers participated in some of the experiences and was present in the same room at the age 15 episode. Regression of this second woman confirmed parts of carol's story but not the abduction. (UFORA89036 UFORSA & Keith Basterfield). 3. 1974 Elizabeth South Australia "Lisa." A woman recalled, that as a 9 year old girl, she and a friend observed a UFO at close range in suburban Elizabeth. As she had memories of observing the UFO from two different locations a fraction of a second apart, she suspected a period of missing time. Regression revealed no abduction scenario. (UFORA89037 UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.) -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Australian abductions 2 Date: 8 Jan 92 03:32:00 GMT 4 1977-1989 Adelaide South Australia "Anne Hastings." A 34 year old woman related at least 3 encounters with entities. The first appears to be religious. On the second, one night she suddenly found herself recalling that she had somehow been in a very large room where there had been a large number of human-like figures, including a human child about age 10. The room showed no apparent source of illumination. It was warmly lit-a very light soft blue colour. Breathing was no problem, gravity was normal and the temperature was skin temperature. She can recall conversing with the child. On the following occasion she had retired to bed when she found herself drifting through tunnels. Suddenly she was in a room. This time the people present were not human. They had pointed faces, large heads, and slanted very dark blue eyes. Their heads were quite swollen at the forehead, with their ears being little, with no lobes as such. They had thin bodies, were grey in colour and short in stature. One of the female aliens was carrying a baby. The baby had its arms outstretched and the witness asked to hold and nurse it. Suddenly, she knew she had to go and found herself back in bed. She quickly fell asleep. In her teens she underwent precognitive dreams and later in life (continuing) precognitive visions. (UFORA89016 Ray Brooke & Keith Basterfield.) 5. Mar 1978 Gisborne New Zealand 'P' Three women were involved in an apparent abduction event in the midst of a large UFO flap near Gisborne which began in 1977. One night they were lying on a hillside watching the skies, and felt that a period of missing time occurred. Shortly after the event a regression hypnosis sesssion was arranged and an abduction scenario revealed. In 1989 during a retrospective investigation by Keith Basterfield and Bill Chalker, a regression session was conducted with 'P'. This revealed an account of being drawn up a beam of light, and of talking to a male entity. All 3 women then found themselves back on the hillside. (UFORA89017 Original investigation by Bryan Dickeson. 1989 by Keith Basterfield and Bill Chalker.) 6. 1979 Melbourne Victoria "Mark." A man retied to bed one night at about 11 p.m. Shortly after closing his eyes he lost all sense of sound and feeling and found himself travelling in a tunnel through space. Looking forwards he noted a light at the end of the tunnel. His next awareness was of lying on a table in a "craft". He was being medically examined by 3 beings. One of the beings seemed to be a human female, with long blonde hair. The other 2 were some 150cm tall, fat and of a dark brown colour. These latter two had plumpish faces, large eyes, a large nose and bigger lips and ears than us. They addressed him in English and seemed like scientists. When they intoruced a "scanner" he "freaked out" and woke up in his own bed. All his teeth were numb and his knuckles were white. (Garry Little.) -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Australian abductions3 Date: 8 Jan 92 03:50:00 GMT 7. 1980-1989 Adelaide South Australia "Barbara White." A young woman wanted assistance to determine the origin of 3 relatively large triangular scars on her forehead which had simply appeared over night some 2 years prior. Over a 10 year period Barbara saw UFOs, had a near death out of body experience, and a peak experience. She also experienced telepathy, precognitive visions, sleep paralysis, hypnagogic imagery, and other psychic style events. As to the marks on the forehead she did have recollections of something touching her forehead during one night, following which the marks were seen the next day which later resulted in the current scars. Under regression she recounted how a "shadow" was in her room and shone a laser-like beam of light onto her forehead. (UFORA90038 UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.) 8. 24 Oct 1981 Port Lincoln South Australia Messrs P & J 2 young men were travelling by car when they encountered a "white endless space" where a time loss of several hours is said to have occurred. During this lost time they have vague memories of a "being" and recalled "...walking into a big room..." Just prior to this "space" they had been watching a mysterious light in the sky. They did not wish a complete investigation. (Keith Basterfield & Pony Godic). 9. 1983 Darwin Northern Territory "Simon". A 16 year old reported a series of events which included a night time encounter, a number of dreams and also observations of entities about the house. However, his sketches of the entities were straight copies of Betty Andreasson's beings copied from the original Fowler book which he had read. An investigation revealed a possible psychologcal explanation for the story. (Keith Basterfield & Pony Godic.) 10 Ca 1988 Adelaide South Australia "Jan". A married woman went to bed one night and during the night had a very vivid experience which she believes was not a dream. She found herself in this white space. Present were 3 entities. They were some 210cm tall, and covered in gowns. She wasn't frightened of them. She had a discussion with them. Next morning she had a vivid recall of the events of the night apart from the content of the conversation. Personality changes ensued from that time. Since then she has reported episodes of sleep paralysis, and other unusual activity. (UFORA91037 Keith Basterfield.) 11 Ca 1988 Mid North South Australia "Elizabeth." Over a number of years a woman has experienced interactions with aliens. All these have taken place in her bedroom on the interface between sleep and wakefulness. Some of the episodes have involved sexual contact. (UFORA91038 Keith Basterfield.) -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Australian abductions 4 Date: 8 Jan 92 04:03:00 GMT 12. 1988(?) Adelaide South Australia "Frank." A man reported that he was in 2 way communication with aliens via an implant in his ear. During an investigation it was revealed that he had undergone 2 apparent out of body experiences where he was "sucked out" of his body. He indicated that during these episodes he had been taken onboard a UFO. His account was set in the context of the Ashtar command via automatic writing. 13 Lifelong Adelaide South Australia "Susan." A 31 year old woman told how at age 10-11 she was abducted from her bedroom by 1 tall and a group of small, entities. The smaller beings were some 120cm tall, with large bald heads. They had large eye sockets, no visible pupils, with dark blue or black eyes. With a slit mouth and a small nose. The taller being seemed to be in command, and was some 210cm tall. Susan was levitated off the bed and taken to a circular "room" where she received a medical examination whilst lying on a metal table. The next conscious recollection was of waking up in her own bed. Regression sessions documented her abduction claim. This woman also recounts numerous lifelong episodes of such things as poltergeist activity, a sense of presence, being told she levitated whilst she slept, seeing objects such as childrens'tricycles moving by themselves, experiencing apparitions, precognitive visions, telepathy and spirit photographs. There were also claims of unusual implants in her mouth. In addition there are fragmentary recall of a number of other abductions. The case is set in the context of the woman being an adult survivor of childhood sexual abuse. (UFORA90045 UFORSA & Keith Basterfield.) 14 Lifelong Tasmania/South Australia "Nigel." A number of paranormal and abduction-like events were reported by a 27 year old man in 1990. These included a 1987 event in which he woke paralysed in bed. Something was being pushed into a vein in his arm. Upon awakening he found a hole in his arm from which blood was issuing. (UFORA90066 Keith Basterfield & Julia Elsbeth.) 15 Jul 1989 Adelaide South Australia "Julian." A man and his wife have recollections of being abducted on the same night. He recalls an entity with oval shaped head, large black eyes, a slit for a mouth and nostrils, looking at him. (UFORA91098 Keith Basterfield.) -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Australian abductions 5 Date: 8 Jan 92 04:10:00 GMT 16. Jun 1988 Jamestown South Australia "Bronte." A 58 year old farmer related that one night he experienced an unusual "attack" whilst in bed. Later he saw a UFO at close range and found a disturbed area of ground. (UFORSA). 17 1988-1990 Melbourne Victoria "Rita." Several unusual episodes are said to have occurred to a Victorian woman. Episodes included her 6 year old son telling her that several small men entered his bedroom, shinign a "torch" at him. In addition her 14 year old daughter told her she had seen a large, luminous object floating down their driveway. The woman herself had been physically pulled out of bed by "something" one night. Finally, the woman recalled a "dream" from age 7 in which 3 "pixies" entered her room and took her away. (UFORA91044 Keith Basterfield.) These then are the cases I have been associated with so far. Note the variety of experiences, the tunnel like manner of some abductions, similar to near death experience imagery. Anyway David, hope this background and information on Australian cases are of interest. Welcome back to the folder, and I hope we may all have some interesting discussion on the topic of our mutual interests. If I may help you with additional details on any of these cases, please let me know either here or by mail at PO Box 302, Modbury North, South Australia 5092. 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