Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 410 Wednesday, May 29th 1991 Today's Topics: Miscellaneous Re: WALTER.SAL Re: The Moon Re: James Randi vs. Uri Geller Dr. Robert Nathan Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info-Paranet Newsletters . . . (none) Bicyclists and Bush lost in a fog Miscellaneous Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Dr. Nathan (none) Meier, pictures and plagiarism...and crop circles (that's all) Letter ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: xx044@cwns4.INS.CWRU.Edu Subject: Miscellaneous Date: 26 May 91 03:35:45 GMT From: xx044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (UFOlogy SIG) The world of UFOlogy seems to have grown into the same cate- gory as the Pentagon and the Department of Health and Human Services (i.e., the Pentagon wants peace so it makes more bombs and artillery and the Department of Health and Human Services hires more people so that they can attempt to give more people money, but just end up hiring more people). The people in the field promote the field not in an attempt to find out an answer, just to add to the bizarre, the areas that can't be checked, and to expouse theories of secrecy by the government. All points that could be true, but which cannot be checked. I've opened up many new publications only to find great articles of both scientific and amateur written articles written on the subject of UFOlogy, only to find in the back of the publications ways in which you can find out your secret lottery number schedule, how to tune in the aliens so when they fly over your house you can awaken, and which crystal to wear depen- ding on the mood of the day or the mood that you want to be in. All this limits the credibility to what those in UFOlogy truly want to accomplish, and that is to find out the truth in a nuts and bolts fashion without having those with bizarre claims and remedies going along for the ride in this gullible market. And indeed, the market is full of it. If you go to a book store in an attempt to find a book on UFOs, you'll proabably end up in the cult section of the store looking at not only books about UFOs, but also about spirits of old talking to today's people, the collective works of Nostradamus, and some person wearing magenta and looking like Judy Tenuta wearing an accordian chanting some ancesteral chime that will enlighten the world on a new course. The best books on the subject of UFOs seem to be those that just bring forth data that was acquired, but not added to. I cite works in which historical events have been brought for- ward without comment. I tend to disregard those in which the author has brought upon themselves a coveted degree in hypnosis or a feeling that they know more than anyone else. Those that deal with the subject as clearly a reporter without trying to get into a contest of whits with those with scientific credentials seem to hold more water and are less embarrasing in the end, especially when we are faced with many new books and claims that are going to quite probably blow up in the face of those who expouse them. Whenever I post sometthing on the Cleveland Free-Net, I tend to post it from the author and make no comment in support of it. I do sometimes make a remark about something that is quite remarkable (i.e., Russian UFOnauts with small heads and three eyes or brain wave masturbation techniques intened on bringing your closer to thee). People in fringe groups or even with fringe beliefs tend to gravitate towards the UFOlogist community. Don't let those who are fringe elements harm us. Don't let us harm ourselves by adhering or even listening to or adoping their views. Let us stay a nuts and bolts group who only report what people say, investigate what we can, and keep our remarks only to the facts concerning the case without offering our sometimes embarrassing theories. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: WALTER.SAL Date: 21 May 91 21:24:00 GMT > You just set back Ufology 20 years! I did? Oops. Oh, well, back to the drawing board, gang. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: The Moon Date: 22 May 91 06:02:00 GMT g#Mm Hi Mike, I'm not sure about active volcanoes on the moon, but I do know scientists left earthquake detectors up there and occasionally earthquakes are registered. However, where there's smoke, there's fire, so there could be active volcanoes, although I dunno.... I'll try to check. Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: James Randi vs. Uri Geller Date: 22 May 91 06:49:00 GMT I had heard this, but was told to keep it to myself until it was official. Guess its official. Its a sorry state of affairs. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Dr. Robert Nathan Date: 23 May 91 03:30:00 GMT On Wednesday, May 29, I shall be speaking with Dr. Robert Nathan at the California Institute of Technology's Jet Propulsion Laboratory re: Gulf Breeze photos. As most of you know, Dr. Nathan's view of Ed Walter's films differs significantly from Dr. Bruce Maccabee's opinion. I find it quite puzzling that these two respectable scientists should have such opposing convictions. If any of you have any questions or comments for Dr. Nathan, please reply to this message, and I shall post his response at the end of next week. Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 22 May 91 22:43:00 GMT I hope to get out to some of the higher (darker) elevations in August to see some of the more spectacular showers. Also, Arizona is gonna get a 70% eclipse in July. Can't wait for that either. -- Steve Gresser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 23 May 91 04:57:00 GMT Steve: That eclipse should be awesome for us Zonies (that's AriZonies for you uninitiated folks). Isn't it occurring on the 17 of July? Do you have an approx. time? Thanks, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: CCB104@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Subject: Here's an Item for Inclusion in Info-Paranet Newsletters . . . Date: 27 May 91 01:35:27 GMT From: CCB104@PSUVM.PSU.EDU Mr. T. Scott Crain, Jr., published author and MUFON State Director for Pennsylvania, has asked me to submit this note for Info-Paranet Newsletter readers concerning his new book that was published by MUFON. (I understand that this is also the *first* book proper to be published by MUFON.) This article is *slightly* edited (punctuation, spelling, etc.) for increased readability, but otherwise it is a faithful rendering of the materials with which I was provided for transmission. 'This article originally appeared in the April 1991 issue of the *MUFON UFO Journal*, No. 276, (c) Copyright 1991 by the Mutual UFO Network, 103 Oldtowne Rd., Seguin, Texas 78155-4099.' It appears here by permission of MUFON for circulation in Info-Paranet Newsletters. (The author is T. Scott Crain, Jr.) -------------<<
>>------------- The Book on MJ-12 Nothing in the past few years has caused more controversy in the UFO field than the release of the Operation Majestic-12 Briefing Document in 1987. The document, dated September 18, 1952, states that on September 24, 1947, President Harry S Truman established a secret panel of twelve distinguished scientists, military [officials], and intelligence officials to oversee and study crashed UFOs and their occupants. Majestic's first case [had] occurred two months earlier, when the team allegedly recovered a crashed disc on July 7 near Roswell, New Mexico. Although the Roswell crash is well-documented in UFO literature, is what is described in the MJ-12 document itself an accurate portrayal of the recovery? For four years UFO researchers have been debating whether the MJ-12 document is authentic and whether or not the content of the document represents reality. Shortly after the MJ-12 document was released, Manitoba UFO researcher Grant Cameron and I began looking for former scientists who may have had knowledge of the MJ-12 committee. We worked under the assumption that the document was accurate in its description of a special group to handle UFO recoveries for the government. If MJ-12 was real, someone working in the upper levels of the government would surely remember a committee by that name that was active in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Confirming MJ-12 has been difficult. All the original, designated MJ-12 members are dead. Although various alleged government documents have been uncovered alluding to the MJ-12 committee, the U.S. Government has not publicly acknowledged that these documents or, for that matter, the MJ-12 documents, are genuine. An interesting development occurred in November 1983, when UFO researcher William Steinman received a letter back from American physicist Dr. Robert I. Sarbacher regarding UFO recoveries. In the early 1950s, Sarbacher was working as a consultant for the military's Research and Development Board, the same Board that allegedly controlled Operation Majestic-12, according to the MJ-12 documents. In his letter to Steinman, Sarbacher reported that secret meetings about UFO recoveries were held but [that] he did not personally attend them. Gordon Creighton wrote in the October 1985 issue of the *Flying Saucer Review*, published in England, that Dr. Sarbacher stated [that] these meetings were held at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. Apparently those involved in the recoveries were to report their findings to scientists connected with the Research & Development Board. Sarbacher wrote [to] Steinman that he did talk to some of the people at the office about what was learned. According to Sarbacher, U.S. laboratories analyzed UFO hardware from the crashes and ... the pilots looked like certain insects observed on earth. During a telephone interview with UFO researcher Stanton Friedman, Sarbacher was asked if he could recall anyone who did attend the meetings. Sarbacher gave enough clues to Friedman about a scientist he remembered being there that when Steinman cross-checked the information, the description fit the profile for Dr. Eric A. Walker, the former President of Penn State University. Steinman said [that] he called Sarbacher to confirm his suspicions and [that] Sarbacher allegedly confirmed that Dr. Eric Walker, who was then Executive Secretary of the Research & Development Board, attended all the UFO meetings. When Cameron and I discovered [that] Dr. Walker might be involved, we set out to document what he may have learned from those meetings and what the Canadian and American governments were doing with this new-found knowledge. Although our investigation started in 1987, William Steinman had been familiar with Walker's potential involvement since 1984. After several ... [unproductive] attempts to correspond with Walker by mail, Steinman phoned him on August 30, 1987. During the conversation, Steinman said that Walker indicated [that] he had known about MJ-12 since 1947 and that Steinman '... was delving into an area that you can do absolutely nothing about,' and to '... drop it." Cameron and I pursued the Walker connection for a book we were working on entitled *UFOs, MJ-12, and the Government* [subtitle: *A Report on Government Involvement in UFO Crash Retrievals*] up until 1991. Walker was contacted by various UFO researchers from 1987-1990, and we were privy to the notes of these conversations in which Walker made some very candid remarks about MJ-12 and UFO crashes. In a conversation in 1990, Walker described MJ-12 as a '... handful of elite' and [that] he would know if you were invited into the group. Besides the in-depth reporting on Walker, we investigated several other scientists who may have been involved, including Dr. Luis W. Alvarez, a Nobel Prize winner, who allegedly assisted in the recovery of a saucer in Mexico. We corresponded frequently with news commentator George Knapp of KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada, to get the story behind physicist Robert Lazar, who claims the government has at least nine flying saucers they're test flying and taking apart out at Nellis Air Force Base, in Nevada. We looked at the experiences noted UFO researchers have had in dealing with the government, including those of Bill Moore, Linda Howe, Wilbert Smith, Lee Graham and Donald Keyhoe. We also looked at putative government agents who appear to be involved, including Richard Doty and several who go by the names 'Falcon' and "Condor." We examined several UFO crashes that the government appears to have been involved in, including those in Roswell, New Mexico; Kecksburg, Pennsylvania; and the Kalahari Desert in South Africa. MUFON's State Director Stan Gordon opened up his files to us on the 1965 Kecksburg UFO crash. New evidence released in December 1990 indicated that the acorn-shaped object [recovered] was eventually moved to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. We corresponded with Michael Hesemann in Germany and Henry Azadehdel in England to uncover the facts behind the alleged 1989 incident over South Africa, where a UFO was supposedly shot down by a South African Air Force pilot. Finally, we explored the possibility that perhaps what might have been learned from UFO crashes in the late 1940s/early 1950s may have been instrumental in helping the U.S. Government develop certain technologies that are now being used on the advanced aircraft being secretly test flown in the 'Dreamland' area of Nellis Air Force Base. The evidence we have gathered seems to indicate [that] the government developed teams to retrieve unknown aerial objects, that they analyzed the recovered UFO hardware, and [that] they are now attempting to duplicate that technology on today's aircraft. Our book presents an interesting mix of various government documents, letters, telephone notes, and photographs detailing how the government is misleading the public about the true nature of UFOs. * Grant Cameron and Scott Crain's new book *UFOs, MJ-12, and the * Government---A Report on Government Involvement in UFO Crash * Retrievals* is being published by the Mutual UFO Network and will be * available May 1, 1991. The 218-page, 8.5x11 paperback book is heavily * illustrated with documents, correspondence and photographs. The price * for this revealing book is $18.45 plus $1.50 for postage and handling, * totaling $19.95. Orders are now being taken by MUFON in Seguin, TX. * [ADDR: Mutual UFO Network, 103 Oldtowne Rd., Seguin, TX 78155-4099 USA] * Make checks or money orders payable to MUFON in the U.S.A. All foreign * purchases must be by International Postal Money Order, checks made * payable to a U.S. Bank with electronic route coding across the bottom * of the check, or by cash in U.S. dollars. -------------<<
>>------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: (none) Date: 27 May 91 02:12:49 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Subject: Bicyclists and Bush lost in a fog ? From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) ? Date: 15 May 91 18:05:42 GMT ? ? Does the article say when this happened (the actual date of the ? occurance?) to the ten missing people? Pete, I typed in the story completely so there is no mention of date of occurrence. It turns out that the date I gave was correct. The reason I was confused was that the date (May 14, 1991) of the issue of the tabloid was the same date of the day I submitted it. I forgot that I always receive Time and Newsweek the week before the actual official date of issue. I thought too much and confused myself! ? I wonder if someone in France has the original and any follow-up ? report on the 10 young riders. Maybe they rode over a cliff, in ? which case it's 5 + 10 in recent months? Just wondering if there ? are any more specifics. Interesting story. Note that the police said they 'searched every square inch of ground for miles around and there's no indication any of the kids has ever been there.' The cliff idea doesn't work there. What do you mean by '5 + 10 in recent months.' Finally, that same Canadian tabloid has just run a story about an alien meeting with George Bush at Camp David. There's a picture (so it must be true?). If anyone would like a copy of that story, I would be willing to make a copy and send it. Just posting would prevent you from seeing the picture of the alien and Bush. (I always thought Bush was taller.) Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Miscellaneous Date: 26 May 91 20:30:00 GMT > From: xx044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (UFOlogy SIG) > > > I've opened up many new publications only to find great > articles of both scientific and amateur written articles written > on the subject of UFOlogy, only to find in the back of the > publications ways in which you can find out your secret lottery > number schedule, how to tune in the aliens so when they fly > over your house you can awaken, and which crystal to wear depen- > ding on the mood of the day or the mood that you want to be > in. All this limits the credibility to what those in > UFOlogy truly want to accomplish, and that is to find > out the truth in a nuts and bolts fashion without having > those with bizarre claims and remedies going along for the > ride in this gullible market. And indeed, the market is full > of it. I agree that there is a lot of this that abounds in the publications, but does this necessarily denegrate the actual content of some of the writing? On the other hand, I feel that this only indicates the viewpoint of most people who read these publications, and that is that they are generally in that camp. > If you go to a book store in an attempt to find a book on UFOs, > you'll proabably end up in the cult section of the store looking > at not only books about UFOs, but also about spirits of old > talking to today's people, the collective works of Nostradamus, > and some person wearing magenta and looking like Judy Tenuta > wearing an accordian chanting some ancesteral chime that will > enlighten the world on a new course. This is the fault of the publishers and the authors writing the books. I have seen numerous books published by some good authors with the classification listed as "New Age" or "Occult." > People in fringe groups or even with fringe beliefs tend to > gravitate towards the UFOlogist community. Don't let those who > are fringe elements harm us. Don't let us harm ourselves > by adhering or even listening to or adoping their views. Let us > stay a nuts and bolts group who only report what people say, > investigate what we can, and keep our remarks only to the > facts concerning the case without offering our sometimes > embarrassing theories. Very interesting point. But, let us not forget that we are dealing with a phenomeona that has many strange elements to it. We should not be as concerned with the jacket covers and the trappings as we are with the hard data that they contain. Even the most bizarre claims may have important data (signals) in them that, if applied and worked with properly, could yield some very interesting conclusions. On the same note, I feel it is important to study, not by active participation, but by observation and testing. Even those who feel strongly about one viewpoint or another can be accused of not looking at the whole picture. Instead, they tend to accept given ideas and notions without testing the data. In addition, I feel it is very important to re-evaluate our conceptions about those that we tend to label as "kooks" since there could be very important data involved that would indicate more clearly what it is that we may be dealing with. We do know that even among the more credible reports, there is that element which appears to be psychic. Before jumping to conclusions, we should attempt to model this process and apply scientific observation to it to find out what the physiological elements are at work here. There is some very good work already done that clearly shows the human brain can be stimulated to hallucination with certain frequencies in the microwave range. I believe that study will yield this physical property, and may even bring us closer to the reason for implants, if they truly exist. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 26 May 91 20:12:00 GMT ->Does anyone know if this eclipse will be able to be seen ->elsewhere besides in Arizona? I live in Santa Barbara Ca. ->and to put it frankly, would really like to see this ->eclipse. Paul, Technically, the eclipse will not be "visible" in Arizona. We'll get about a 70% eclipse on 11 July 1991. However, it will only be visible with special tools, like a box with a hole in it (point the hole at the sun, look at the opposite end of the box - NEVER NEVER NEVER look into the sun). So, check your local papers, they should tell you about what time to look for the eclipse, and - with some special tools - you should be able to see it, too! Steve -- Steve Gresser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Dr. Nathan Date: 27 May 91 01:31:00 GMT Mike, In which book does Ed make the statement that Dr. Nathan supports the authenticity of the Gulf Breeze photos? I've never seen that in print! I'll ask him anyway. Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: (none) Date: 27 May 91 05:34:54 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Subject: Meier, pictures and plagiarism...and crop circles (that's all) There was a comment about one picture in the 'Contact from the Pleiades' book being a very poor fake. Doesn't that seem out of place with all the other excellent pictures? Can we discard ALL if ONE appears to be faked? Wendelle Stevens said Meier's photos were the best he had ever seen--in the book 'Light Years' by Gary Kinder. (Oh, I see, but Stevens molests children!) It seems that the ones who bring forth the most valid and objective data are the ones who have the most trouble and end up in jail or 'broken' people. Meanwhile, Bill Cooper just keeps lecturing and scaring the sh*t out of people and making piles of money. I understand that frequently authors put in non-truths to catch those who would copy. This would be true for any kind of investigative book. One cannot be accused of plagiarism if one copies truth because there is no way to prove that the second 'author' didn't research the same material. The writers of some trivia book sued the creators of Trivial Pursuit under such conditions. I believe also, that the publishers at America West, who distribute Hatonn's material, say they have a letter from the originator of the 'Original Hostage Krlll' story saying that it was just such a plant--I don't know if a part of the story or the whole thing was a plant. Billy Meier did not write the books 'Contact from the Pleiades I and II'; they were written by the Elders, were they not? Could it be that they inserted a fake picture so that if someone copied that picture, it would be proof of plagiarism? I don't know, just a thought. It seems as though Billy Meier's pictures, for the most part, are excellent and have stood up to (a lot of) scrutiny. Someone just submitted a post talking about 'mircowaved' crop circles, and there was another's 'weather' explanation earlier. Do these explanations account for the fact that the crop circles around Meier's home resume growing in the HORIZONTAL position? The 'Meier' grass didn't DIE either, so the stalks were not broken. How does the 'NUKED' grass grow after exposure? Does it survive? What about the grass exposed to these unique winds in the laboratory? Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Letter Date: 24 May 91 05:42:00 GMT Mike Keithly said: > I just recieved this in the mail today, from who i > dont know but here it is in it's entirety. > Well, there is your first problem, if they won't or don't sign their name, warning flags should go up. > What is going on? Something very sinister is going > on. Something sinister always goes on, so which sinister are you speaking of? > Polls reveal that over 90% of the americans > people believe in UFO's and 95% of these people > believe the government is keeping this knowledge from > the public. OK, but that is not news. > There is overwhelming evidence in the past several > years from "Whistle Blowers" retired military officers > who have finally said, "Enough is enough! It's time > the government told the people the truth!" These > officers, such as Navy Intelligence officer, William > Cooper, Major John Lear (whose father founded the Lear > Jet Corp.) and Air Force officer William English, to > name but a few, have all discovered the truth, and at > the risk of their very lives, Keithly, if you believe that, PLEASE, call me, I got some prime bottom land for sale! First, Milton "Bilkum" Cooper was NEVER a Navy Intelligence Officer. He was, when he claims he worked with Navy Intelligence, an E-5, or if it were an Army rank for example, a JUNIOR Sgt. John Lear NEVER served in any military service, although he is a civilian airline Captain. Bill English was a Spec. Four, or E-4 to you, in the Army, and carried an MOS in line repair. I do not know how this crap continues to survive, but I guess when people just vomit this crap back up without doing any checking, I just answered my own question. And considering what you don't know, I will now stop, and let you do some READING before we proceed any further. 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