Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 412 Wednesday, May 29th 1991 Today's Topics: Re: The Moon Anderson Re: Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain... Re: Letter My message regarding Mike Keithley's print-out Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Re: Csicop members Re: Csicop members George Adamski Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Re: Bush and Grey buddy... Re: Stranger Than Science Dr. Robert Nathan Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Re: The Moon Re: ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR Re: GREEN FIREBALLS HARD COPY BOOBOO! Re: ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Bike ride last night Re: Bike ride last night Re: Bike ride last night Re: Bike ride last night So. cal uof bbs Trilateral Commision. George Adamski Dr. Marina Popovich ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: The Moon Date: 25 May 91 15:51:00 GMT > I've always heard the same, that the moon is 'dead'. I have, however, > heard that little is known about the moon's core, that it may be hot and > molten like earth's. I haven't heard of any volcanoes... I ran across an article which I am posting here over the weekend concerning the continuing mystery that is stumping the astronomers. The phenomenon is known as Lunar Transient Phenomena (LTP). It is very interesting, but not enough to speculate that there are alien bases on the moon as some allege :-) Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Anderson Date: 25 May 91 15:54:00 GMT We are checking a rumor that Mr. Anderson, the *new* Roswell witness who claims to have seen the bodies, is another brick in the wall of lies, disinformation and other fantasy. There is a witness who can prove that Anderson is lying. More will follow soon. Stay tuned! Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Uncle Sam's Moon Mountain... Date: 25 May 91 15:39:00 GMT Hello Steve, Thanks for your thoughtful comments. Regarding the 5 missing WWII planes found off coast of Florida, was there anything "concrete" that made the UFO community think these pilots had a Close Encounter while out over the ocean? I thought tn\hey were just terribly disoriented. Nothing happened to them like the Australian incident back in the late 70's in which Frederick Valentich, flying his small Cessna over the open sea, reported a large disc over his plane. Next thing, radio static, and his plane was missing. (Somewhere I heard that this plane, too, was recently found.) See you, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Letter Date: 25 May 91 16:01:00 GMT Don, I must humbly inform you that Mike Keithley did not originate that paranoid message. He was only sending it out over the BBS from someone else who would not identify himself, perhaps hoping someone could. It looks like you, and a lot of us, saw that it was indeed "smelling" a {xD That's how I interpreted it.... Thanks, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: My message regarding Mike Keithley's print-out Date: 25 May 91 16:10:00 GMT Don, The line in my message that got "blipped" should say: That a lot of us, like you, "smelled" Cooper/Lear in the paranoid message. Hope this clears that up.... :-) Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 25 May 91 20:18:00 GMT They tell me that the best place to see the eclipse is in lower-Baja (lower lower?) California. But I bet it would be good here, too! Steve -- Steve Gresser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen) Subject: Re: Csicop members Date: 22 May 91 21:59:41 GMT > I recently received a letter from CSICOP advertising something called > 'Skeptical Notes,' which comes out quarterly for $15/year. The letter > had a sidebar listing the members of CSICOP. There are all the well > known people: Asimov, Randi, Sagan, Klass, etc., as well as a number > of academics. I'm not volunteering to type the whole list in (about > 30+ people), but it should be clear now that they do publish it. Paul -- What you saw in "Skeptical Briefs" was not the membership of CSICOP (the committee), but rather a list of "Fellows", people who support the aims of the committee, and allow their names and titles to be listed, as it says, "for identification only". The actual committee numbers something like seven people, and I've finally gotten a definitive list. (Randi isn't on it anymore, since he recently left the committee.) Unfortunately, I don't have the list with me, but will post it to this forum later. Best Regards, Rick M. -- Rick Moen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rick Moen) Subject: Re: Csicop members Date: 22 May 91 22:07:55 GMT > I used to know the answer to this question, but now I'm just guessing. > But I think you've nailed them all. The only one I'm not real certain > of is Alcock. Oh, and I think I read somewhere that whatsisname from > Cal Poly, the guy that plays with Pterodactyls.....MacReady, I think > he was named a couple of years back, wasn't he? Jim -- Paul MacReady (Gossamer Albatross, etc.) isn't on the Executive Council. That much I remember. I'll post the full list later, when I get a chance. Best Regards, Rick M. -- Rick Moen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Rick.Moen@f27.n125.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu Subject: George Adamski Date: 28 May 91 19:13:05 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Could I get a paragraph or two (without opinion inserted) about what George Adamski is about and what is the history of what has been 'decided' about the validity or non-validity of this person's story? Thanks, in ignorance... Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Mcavoy) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 25 May 91 18:06:00 GMT Does anyone know if this eclipse will be able to be seen elsewhere besides in Arizona? I live in Santa Barbara Ca. and to put it frankly, would really like to see this eclipse. -- Paul Mcavoy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Mcavoy) Subject: Re: Bush and Grey buddy... Date: 25 May 91 18:09:00 GMT Yes, I saw that picture as well, but I have found that usually most of those stories in those types of magazines have -SOME- basis in truth, weather it is the story, or possibly the picture. So it does leave me wondering what exactly what was the part of it that was -True-..? -- Paul Mcavoy - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Mcavoy@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Tender) Subject: Re: Stranger Than Science Date: 15 May 91 01:08:35 GMT RE: David Lang LB> Just to throw a "monkey wrench" in here - - - it's LB> interesting to see that a "large circle, 15 feet in diameter" LB> was left at the spot where he disappeared. In the light of LB> the crop circle mysteries that we are seeing today, I wonder LB> if there's any connection... I never though of that... Have there been any abduction reports connected with crop circles? (Why do I have the feeling that if there havn't been, there will be?) LB> Of course it could just be a good LB> story. Just recently someone else posted some information LB> about this story (how one reporter got it from someone and LB> didn't check out the facts). I don't have any information to either refute it or confirm it. In the same book, Edwards gives an account of the "Oregon Vortex" which upholds it's "mystical" properties; but the vortex has been completely explained as an illusion caused by land subsidence. Based on that, and the general tone of the book, I'd put most of the accounts in the category of modern myths. A million thanks for posting your LB> information. It brings back memories. LB> Take care, LB> Linda cf. Hitchikers Guide: "Glad I could be of assistance." ... from the purlieus of Pittsburgh -- John Tender - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Tender@f112.n129.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Dr. Robert Nathan Date: 26 May 91 20:45:00 GMT > If any of you have any questions or comments for Dr. Nathan, > please > reply to this message, and I shall post his response at the end > of > next week. Please ask Dr. Nathan to what extent he's analysed the original Ed photos. His early comments were based on a cursory examination, as he's said. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 27 May 91 02:34:00 GMT Wow, maybe a short trip into Mexico (past Tijuana of course!) would be worthwhile. I have very vague memories of a total eclipse while in pre-school. From what little I remember, it was quite an amazing event. I'd settle for a partial one though. I'm easy to plaase. :) -- David Villa - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob.King@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Bob King) Subject: Re: The Moon Date: 24 May 91 22:24:00 GMT I've always heard the same, that the moon is 'dead'. I have, however, heard that little is known about the moon's core, that it may be hot and molten like earth's. I haven't heard of any volcanoes... -- Bob King - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bob.King@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR Date: 27 May 91 18:09:00 GMT ->"One either progresses or regresses, there is no standing ->still" Emerson? No, it was Pete Barbutti on the Johnny Carson show. -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 27 May 91 23:10:00 GMT There's a story about a man who spent his life examining total eclipses (his name escapes me, but he was a proffessional at it - some kind of scientist). Anyway, he knew he was dying, knew that the eclipse he was watching would be his last. He had been collecting data all of his life, but his last eclipse he just sat there and said "wow!" They are impressive, like nothing else anywhere. -- Steve Gresser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: HARD COPY BOOBOO! Date: 28 May 91 02:46:00 GMT In my opinion, "Hard Copy" was really less than honest with its' viewers in the portrayal of the massive cigar shaped object that was allegedly photographed by a Soviet Mars probe in 1989 The caption should have read in bold type ARTIST'S DRAMATIZATION or RE-ENACTMENT. I wonder...what percentage of their viewers thought that was actual film footage depicting a shadow passing across Phobos' face, followed by the camera going dead? Remember, I'm talking about Mr. & Ms. IQ 100 average American. Where was the real photograph? If were going to do it, let's do it right! Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: ARTHUR C. CLARK BAR Date: 25 May 91 18:27:29 GMT As for test ing and accepting, that's the hard part. What valid methods of analysis do I have at my disposal? Just my own opinions based on previous experiences and study. So I admit my perceptions are limited by my knowledge and viewed in that personal context. I tend to believe I am open minded though, and have a background in scientific research and expermental science. Nope I cannot accept things on blind faith without at least some reasonable evidence or minimal logical progression in the theory. "One either progresses or regresses, there is no standing still" Emerson? -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa) Subject: Re: GREEN FIREBALLS Date: 27 May 91 08:22:00 GMT July 11th???? Wow! That's my birthday! I must see that eclipse afterall! I'll go down to the local telescope/photography shop and ask them what kind of showbox-device I can rig to observe the sun. This is getting more interesting all the time. Now that you mention it, I seem to recall having used some shoebox device to observe the eclipse I saw durring my pre-school years, as I mentioned in my previous message. -- David Villa - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa) Subject: Bike ride last night Date: 27 May 91 19:00:00 GMT I was out, riding my mountainbike last night at about 1am with a good friend in the areas behind my house. Night riding, I have allways enjoyed due to it's calmness and stable temperature. Last night was very different however. We stopped at a park to rest and just relax and talk. I notticed that I was feeling uneasy. I am wondering if this is normal. Ever since I have gotten into the stories of UFO abduction and sightings, I am very objective and do not tell myself any of it is true nor false.. Yet, lastnight, I felt a strange uneasyness being out, below the wideopen sky in the park. Almost as if, being the UFO abduction stories I have read are true, I was making a damn good target of myself. It wasn't a fear, but rather an inner awareness of my situation. I also found myself paying more attention to the skies above me then I usually do. How has the UFO phenomena changed your perspective view of your physical situation in this way? Am I just letting it get to me too much? -- David Villa - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James.Clark@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Clark) Subject: Re: Bike ride last night Date: 27 May 91 21:06:00 GMT Well, it hasn't made me PARANOID! :) -- James Clark - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Clark@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Villa) Subject: Re: Bike ride last night Date: 28 May 91 04:14:00 GMT Heh, yes, I guess PARANOID is the appropriate word after all.. . -- David Villa - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Villa@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James.Clark@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Clark) Subject: Re: Bike ride last night Date: 28 May 91 05:15:00 GMT Actually, wouldn't a Para-Noid be like an alien pizza-wrecker? Like, if you were to call the Alpha Centauri Dominos, and the pizza was all cold when you got it, couldn't you say that it didn't "avoid the para-noid"? -- James Clark - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Clark@f2704.n206.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark.Pope@p0.f24.n203.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Pope) Subject: So. cal uof bbs Date: 28 May 91 22:38:00 GMT Does anybody know of a UFO info BBS that is in Southern California? Any info would be appreciated...... thanks... Mark Pope. -- Mark Pope - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mark.Pope@p0.f24.n203.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Trilateral Commision. Date: 28 May 91 06:39:00 GMT > > From: andy cobley > > I have seen mention of the Trilateral Commision on this > digest > for some time, along with the Bildeborg (sp?). My question > is > this, What are these two groups. What is there cover > purpose, > and what is their real purpose ? > > Andy > acobley@mic.dund.ac.uk Clark Matthews is the guy who can answer this question properly. (evil snicker!) BTW, I think it's Bildenburg. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: George Adamski Date: 28 May 91 06:44:00 GMT Greg Lush writes: > Could I get a paragraph or two (without opinion inserted) > about what George Adamski is about and what is the history > of what has been 'decided' about the validity or non- > validity > of this person's story? > > Thanks, in ignorance... > > Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) Check out _The UFO Conspiracy_ by Jenny Randles for a good explanation of what George Adamski was all about. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Dr. Marina Popovich Date: 25 May 91 06:11:00 GMT The interview with Dr. Marina Popovich, Retired Soviet Air Force Colonel and top Soviet UFOlogist will air on Hard Copy on Monday May 27th. 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