Abduction Digest, Number 44 Monday, January 27th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Hypnosis Hello Re: If Ufo's Re: abductions Re: abductions hypnosis Thanks ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Hypnosis Date: 25 Jan 92 05:57:20 GMT When I speak of training hypnotists and hypnotherapists in how to do hypnosis, I mean in the specific hypnosis of abductees. There is nothing very mysterious about the technique of doing hypnosis--it is so simple that virtually anyone can do it with a few minutes of study. The most important element is whether the subject allows himself to be hypnotized. I do not think that I can hypnotize a person who does not want to be hypnotized. But once a "trance" has been induced, then what? For hypnotherapists engaged in standard therapy there are recognized procedures to be followed, suggestions to be made, and pathways to be travelled. These procedures have been taught to the therapist by a trainer or by books, and they are the product of an established body of thought that has been developed over the years. The abduction phenomenon is so new that procedures are only now being established. Very few people have systematically paid attention to the manner in which questions should be asked of abductees. Much of this depends on the amount of knowledge that the investigator has about abductions. Asking the right questions in the right way at the right time with the right inflection and with knowledge behind the question is not easy. Furthermore, recognizing confabulation, false memories, dream material, and skips in an abductee's testimony only comes about with a thorough knowledge of the intricacies of the abduction phenomenon. Needless to say therapists have absolutely no idea what they are doing when they begin hypnotizing abductees. This can be a tricky situation for the abductee. Often an abductee goes to a hypnotist to find out what is going on with him, and the hypnotist, not knowledgeable in abductions, is not only unable to bring him insight into his situation, but unknowingly can even allow false memories and confabulation to appear to be reality to the abductee. This, of course, does the abductee a disservice, and can even be psychologically harmful. Therefore my consulting consists of telling therapists what the abduction phenomenon is all about, what to expect in a hypnotic session, how to break through resistance and blocks, when to therapeutically intervene in the middle of a session, and so forth. They are perfectly free to use the formal structure of hypnosis that they have used before, but it must be remembered that the abduction phenomenon is very different than anything that therapists have ever encountered and they must "retool" somewhat if they are going to be helpful. My office phone number in Philadelphia is (215)836-5997. I will be happy to talk to the Salem therapist if she calls me. Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1 -- David Jacobs - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Hello Date: 25 Jan 92 06:13:58 GMT Hello Bill, I am glad to see that you are still invovled in thinking about the abduction phenomenon. I do remember the conversation that we had at the MUFON conference in 1987 with Jenny and with David Chernikoff. I do not know if my book will be sent to Australia, but if you get a chance to read it, I would be very interested in your comments. From what Keith has been saying the abduction phenomenon appears to be exactly the same in Australia as it is the United States. I believe, however, that we have made more headway in investigation and research. I think that when all is said and done, the world-wide dimensions of abductions will be firmly established. In the United States, more and more UFO researchers are recognizing the enormous magnitude of the phenomenon and it is my belief that eventually all of UFO research will be abduction research. In fact, I believe that I made this point in a paper at the 1987 conference. No other area of UFO research allows us to study the intentions of the beings behind the objects. Without the abduction phenomenon we are back to square one--studying reports of sightings of the outside shells of objects, their effect upon the environment, and the witnesses who make the reports. I do not think that we can go back to that. We know a tremendous amount about UFO sightings and we have for a very long time. In a sense we had gone about as far as we could go with sightings. The abduction phenomenon gives us entree into the purposes and motivations behind the sightings. It is the breakthrough, I think, that we have been all waiting for. Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1 -- David Jacobs - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sue.Widemark@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Sue Widemark) Subject: Re: If Ufo's Date: 26 Jan 92 02:16:00 GMT >We must keep in touch and share thoughts and >experiences, in my opinion, and we must not ridicule those who think >they have seem something truly unexplainable. Good plan... -- Sue Widemark - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sue.Widemark@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sue.Widemark@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Sue Widemark) Subject: Re: abductions Date: 26 Jan 92 02:18:00 GMT >Having said all of this can we PLEASE get back on the abduction issue? >If you have problems with this, take it up with your sysop and allow >him/her to discuss it in our sysop area. No problems with that. I am still looking for good research material on the subject... -- Sue Widemark - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sue.Widemark@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sue.Widemark@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Sue Widemark) Subject: Re: abductions Date: 26 Jan 92 02:22:00 GMT >I will be very interested, amazed, and willing to listen if Mensa >members can *produce* evidence to support their religious claims. > Quite a bit can be produced - but the area host has made a request to get back to the subject at hand and I agree with him... that thread got way out of hand. If you wish more info on the religious claims, please log on my BBS - we have a religion board etc. {Sue} {Cheese Whiz Wildcat! BBS 602-279-0793 <300/1200/2400} P.S. and I would like to see evidence on the subject of abductions... do you have any to share? -- Sue Widemark - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sue.Widemark@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: hypnosis Date: 27 Jan 92 00:16:02 GMT Hello David, Thanks for your recent post re: hypnosis and the abductee. I do have some questions/comments which will have to wait a bit due to tight time constraints today. Your offer to speak with my friend in Salem is most accommodating. Her address/phone is: Dr. Michele Lecher c/o Salem Clinic, P.C. 2020 Capitol Street, N.E. Salem, OR 97303 Tel: 503-375-7500 I shall forward your # to her so she may contact you. Thanks again, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Thanks Date: 27 Jan 92 03:36:38 GMT Keith: Am in receipt of the materials and thanks. I especially enjoyed the interview with Eddie Bullard. It is to no small degree because of Eddie's continued involvement in, progress on, and ultimate bewilderment at the abduction phenomenon that I continue to be intrigued by it myself. I figger if a dude that smart says its a puzzlement, then by golly it durn well be a puzzlement. And I do get the impression from the interview that he is very bothered by it. While he says *some* of it has to be psychological, he has no explanation for the cases that seem real. Certainly he seems to have all but abandoned folkloric transmission. Please keep up the good work on Abductions Down Under, and thanks again! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ****************A**B**D**U**C**T**I**O**N****D**I**G**E**S**T******************* Submissions UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!abduct Submissions DOMAIN abduct@scicom.alphacdc.com Admin Address abduct-request@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ****************A**B**D**U**C**T**I**O**N****D**I**G**E**S**T*******************