Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 441 Tuesday, July 23rd 1991 Today's Topics: (none) Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS Re: test outgoing Belgian UFO dates Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee Media Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee Re: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS Re: Hi -where ya been? Re: test outgoing The Coverup Re: Roswell Discussion The Coverup Re: BUFORA Welcome Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation severed hand? UFO program on cable TV Re: test outgoing ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: (none) Date: 19 Jul 91 21:35:16 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Subject: Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation Linda Bird suggests... ? RE: Star Trek Episode called 'First Contact' ? Ask Don Ecker of 'ASK UFO' what he can find out about where the ? writers got their ideas. Can you help, Don? Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Felipe.Cantu@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Felipe Cantu) Subject: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS Date: 19 Jul 91 16:38:00 GMT Does anyone out there know if John Lear's new hypothesis is posted on any boards around the U.S. , or know any information about it. This is supposed to be some of what he shared at the West Coast UFO Conference back in June in Los Angeles. His posisitomn of late has been rumored that things are so far along that "the screaming will all be over before anyting can even be done". Now he is supposed to have new information that may shed a little different light on this matter. This is all I know and wondered if anyone else has heard anything. -- Felipe Cantu - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Felipe.Cantu@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: test outgoing Date: 19 Jul 91 16:31:00 GMT Awright! A Seattle node! Say hi to Bob Gribble for us!! (Oh, and I guess Dale Goudie too). Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ncar!uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Belgian UFO dates Date: 20 Jul 91 21:33:50 GMT From: James Roger Black I am trying to get specific dates for incidents related to the so-called Belgian UFO. So far I have these: 29 November 1989: Massive sightings by at least 30 groups of witnesses between Liege and Eupen. 30 March 1990: Belgian Air Force scrambles two F-16s in response to ground sightings; multiple radar locks obtained by both ground and airborne radar. 22 June 1990: Belgian Air Force releases detailed information on the 30 March 1990 sightings, including radar recordings. Conclusion: 'Unable to identify either the nature or the origin of the phenomena.' Balloons, ultralights, remotely-piloted vehicles, conventional aircraft, stealth aircraft, laser projections, and mirages all ruled out. 6 November 1990: Various sightings all over Europe. Paris Air Traffic Control sees the Triangle but nothing shows on radar. Others report triangles, balls, lights, smokes, etc. Locations include France, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy. Sometime near the end of this sequence (November-December 1990 or perhaps January 1991) there were sightings in Spain as well. Does anybody have details about exactly what was seen there, as well as when, and where? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee Date: 20 Jul 91 19:11:00 GMT > I can't believe you even mention what Ed did as a teenager in the same > sentence with what happened 30 years later. When I was 11, I went out > joy riding in a stolen car, does that ban me the rest of my life as a > photograph hoaxer? Now if you told me that Ed is a accomplished > photographer and has a extensive back ground in that field then I would > say that you might have just cause for concern. First of all, as I've said before, I agree that Ed's teenage violations are not of great consequence (as long as they are isolated incidents and not part of a pattern of creative deception). The only reason they have become an issue in this case is because of MUFON's attempts to hide them and/or change the character of the violations. At first, we were told that Ed had some problems as a teenager. Then we were told he went for a joyride in a stolen vehicle. Then, much later, we were told that he had been convicted of forgery. If MUFON had been forthright about Ed's record from the beginning, it would not be an issue. *Plenty* of UFO witnesses have criminal records. The issue is not Ed's record, but MUFON's deliberate attempt to gloss over it. As for it being "none of our business", what if MUFON had arbitrarily decided that Ed's ghost/demon photos had been "none of our business"? It seems to me that, if MUFON's objective is widespread belief in the UFO phenomenon, then it behooves them to be as forthright with all the salient facts, in order for us to determine for ourselves what is and is not relevant. Anything short of full disclosure raises the spectre of "cover-up" - "What ELSE have they decided is `none of our business'? What ELSE aren't they telling us?" > doesn't pertain to the case, then its none of our bbusines. Thyer is a > lot more to Ed's case then most people know and you or I won't know > until Ed decides to tell us. And if people keep bring up his past like > you seem to like to do, we will probably never know what really happen > the first and the last time he encountered the craft. This was left out > of his book for a reason and I think because they thought that the > public wasn't ready for it. Forgive me if I believe that it was because his publisher wasn't ready for it - they smell another book in that particular incident as much as he does. (Yes, I DO know some of the details of what you're referring to.) Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Media Date: 20 Jul 91 19:12:00 GMT > > One of them caught my eye as it is named "Flying Disks > > BBS" the number is 7-014-268-4911 (FidoNet Node 2:490/40.401), > > if I spoke Russian I might give it a try, anyone out there who > > can? > > Many of us could send netmail to that Fido address. Problem is, I > don't know any Russian or whatever dialect might be spoken in the bbs > location. Maybe someone there can read and write English. We could > always give it a try and see if we ever get an answer. > FYI, I have been in touch with a couple of Russian nodes, and they speak very passable English (although one of them speaks almost exactly like Boris Badenov!) Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Wernikoff On Maccabee Date: 20 Jul 91 20:34:00 GMT If, as you state "..there is a lot more to the case then most people know and you or I wo'nt know until ED decides to tell us.." why are you such a strong advocate for GB being *the truth*?? I've looked at the published photos and to me they are about as hoaky looking as they come. ED gets crystal clear photos of moving objects even when the background is smeared becuase he just happened to move the camera at EXACTLY the right speed to match the movement of the UFO??? He takes night photos with video that have no video hash???? Videos in low light have more hash then his do in total darkness!! When he has to use a camera that can't be tinkered with (the nimslo) he just can't seem to get his "typical" good photos but can only get some fuzzy lights that show nothing?!?!?.. And when he takes people out with him somehow only HE sees and photos anything that is identifiable. The others somehow always miss it, unless it is some nondescript far in the distance glow that could be anything. His photos have even been duplicated virtually down to the last detail simply using the "found" model yet we are to believe ED couldn't have hoaxed his copies dispite the incredible similarity between the "real" ones and the known fakes. His strongest supporting analyst, Macabee, somehow can't even figure out how to estimate the size from a photo of the object at a known distance hovering over a road of known width, a truely trivial analysis yet somehow overlooked. In spite of these numerous and obvious contradictions in "the story" and in the "evidence" you see no reason for any doubt???? Inablity to disprove something is NOT the same as proof. Even if we were to tentatively accept the ED story as true what would we have then that moves us any farther forward in the search for the answer?? -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: JOHN LEAR'S NEW HYPOTHESIS Date: 20 Jul 91 20:37:00 GMT ""..the screaming will all be over..." What's new about that??? That's seems to be what he's been saying for years. The "..truth is about to come out.." and variations on that theme have been *imminent" for the last 40 years same as Christ's second coming. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been? Date: 21 Jul 91 16:43:00 GMT Hi Clark, Great to hear from you! Must be super to have a 9600 baud computer now. I'm still working with our 2400 system. Cheer up! I'll be talking at ya soon. Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: test outgoing Date: 21 Jul 91 16:51:00 GMT Greetings to the lovely City of Seattle. I was there in l979 and I found it to be a beautiful and progressive city with a lot of charm. Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: The Coverup Date: 20 Jul 91 06:33:23 GMT You were commenting to another couple of users and I found the statements to be quite similar to some of my own recent musings and speculations.... > > The existence of a cover-up is ultimately up to the > UFO-nauts themselves. ....... > The fact that they keep such a low profile is the > only thing that keeps the notion of a coverup alive. That is a fresh idea! A cover-up or is it more of a cover-around for containment? I've recently toyed with the idea that the Greys and other similar reports are a synthetic race, perhaps android and controlled by a machine intelligence. This could account for the reports of hesitance on the behalf of "group encounters" with them. The machine intelligence can't possibly be prepared for all of our many unusual responses and may be confused by mankind working at cross-purposes to himself. I remember the comments of an Air Force captain that I questioned during the Apollo 11 moon-mission. He said the Air Force and many other agencies did NOT know what was going on and that disclosure to the public would indeed be troublesome in any scenario..... -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Re: Roswell Discussion Date: 19 Jul 91 07:47:43 GMT What you said at the end of a lengthy piece.... > > I do not advocate jumping on the "alien" bandwagon. > However, I do not eliminate this as a very viable > possibility, again, with the information from reliable > sources to date. We will have to see where this goes, > but again, it is important to raise solid counter- > issues with something to back it up. > Hey, what about this scenario.... Alien craft is attacked by another alien craft. Doomed craft crashed in Roswell, NM and the local authorities pack up the remains efficiently, quickly, squelch the noises being made by the press. The other aliens hijack the remains in mid-flight and the very same local air officialdom that unwittingly aided these beings are now left holding a weather balloon for their "evidence"... So with that out of the way, I feel certain that there exists the possibility for our differing cultures to live together in this universe. Leaving the air force with a balloon instead of advanced technologies demonstrates to my way of thinking that they've at least got a sense of humor....and? Hey Mo! (honk, *BANG!*) ....nyuck, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck, nyuck.... -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: The Coverup Date: 19 Jul 91 16:40:35 GMT JB> This has been my opinion for a long time. The existence of a JB> cover-up is ultimately up to the UFOnauts themselves. If they JB> ever decided to get really bold, the government's efforts at JB> "damage control" would be futile. The fact that they keep such a JB> low profile is the only thing that keeps the notion of a coverup JB> alive. If those little wimps had any guts at all, they'd JB> interrupt the halftime show at the next Super Bowl! Haha! What gets me is the justification offered by those who say they are walking amoung us. "Oh! They do not want to upset the delicate balance and equalibrium of our society by announcing their presense to us! The world isn't ready yet...blah...blah...blah." Nice try. I WANT my equalibrium disturbed. I *challenge* them to shock us by simply showing up where they cannot be shrugged off as passing weather balloons (boy that excuse is getting old, isn't it). In my view...we should be demanding this as a group, and not be forced to send serious researchers running around the globe examining corn crops every time a gopher farts. This isn't a GAME! If they really DO exist and is not just wishful thinking on our parts, then they should stop wasting time and show themselves! Even Hollywood is running out of 'Close Encounter' scripts as it has all been done already. Well...I have said this all before. When? Over ten years ago! Guess what... it will be another ten years and my statements most likely will not have changed by any real events taking place. Mundane life goes on (IMHO). __ParaNet Alpha-Epsilon WASH DC. -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James.Nugent@f14.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (James Nugent) Subject: Re: BUFORA Welcome Date: 21 Jul 91 02:27:00 GMT Michael, Been a while since I've talked with you. Do you know where I can write to get a subscription to BUFORA Journal? Best, James. -- James Nugent - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Nugent@f14.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James.Nugent@f14.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (James Nugent) Subject: Re: Star Trek--The Next Generation Date: 21 Jul 91 02:31:00 GMT Greg, I watched that epsiode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. I was thinking the same thing when I watched it. I think It is just a further atempt to condition the people for what is to come... A PUBLIC LANDING OF AN ALIEN RACE. You can write the producers to find out about it. Sorry I do not have the address. James -- James Nugent - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Nugent@f14.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: severed hand? Date: 21 Jul 91 19:01:00 GMT vcc> 20-year history he has seen groups come and go. 'Take AI-TRAD vcc> with a grain of salt,' he says. Don Berliner, of The Fund for UFO vcc> Research, adds, 'It sounds like another nutty operation to me.' vcc> vcc> Still, Mikules isn't worried. 'Quite frankly,' he says, "we have vcc> the money and the power to do practically anything we want.' And THAT is the scariest reality of this whole fiasco. -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: UFO program on cable TV Date: 22 Jul 91 17:17:17 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) The following was posted to alt.alien.visitors recently. If anyone has any questions, mail to JOHNFW@SLACVM.SLAC.STANFORD.EDU, not to me. I'm only posting it for informational purposes. I have no connection with the author. 'Now' is July 16. +In the past I've been requested to let people know when I was +having a show on that would be of interest to this group. Last +week I made two shows; the first was pretty funny with AMES AND +NASA about the early developement of air craft all the way up to +the F=18, only normal people would like that one. The next show +was with a person who writes on this group by the name of Showen. +It contains all sorts of information about UFO's and also has videoes +of the craft in flight. It will be on two weeks from now, tuesday +evening at 5:30 pm and thursday night at 9:30 pm. For the people of +this group I think it would hold your interest. It will be on Heritafge +Community Channel 2=b in San Jose, then on Cupertino, Palo Alto, Newark +and last of all Los Gatos, Calif. I'll leave you with this saying; +a diplomat is a fellow who when asked his favorite color replies +'plaid'. +Standard Disclaimer. +John. -- * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Let's become Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again.' 37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler) Subject: Re: test outgoing Date: 23 Jul 91 01:48:00 GMT Thanks! I'm still having *trouble* with these darn packets, and I can't seem to get zone 9 working right. I hope everyone is patient with me. I'm determined to make this work right. There is a MUFON meeting in Seattle this weekend I hope to attend to promote the new node. Then, I suppose, I'll have to wait in line to get on my own board. At least I hope so. -- Michael Schuyler - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************