Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 442 Friday, July 26th 1991 Today's Topics: (none) Settling the whole issue? CROP CIRCLES Abduction Case (none) The Coverup The Coverup ST TNG Star Trek--The Next Generation ST:TNG -- 'First Contact' Lear New Planet Re: Hi -where ya been? SS433 Re: The Coverup Re: test outgoing A Good Read Crash at the Nevada Test Site Gerald Anderson GULF BREEZE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: (none) Date: 23 Jul 91 15:41:39 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Subject: Settling the whole issue? Michael Corbin writes, regarding the Roswell case: ? Granted, it is not the flying-saucer-lands-on-the-White-House-Lawn that ? would settle this business once and for all, but it does prove that many ? people were involved in a highly organized effort to clean up a crash ? site where something very strange crashed. I'm a little confused here. Would a 'White House' landing convince you of the presence of aliens? Is that what you meant? How do we know that humans do not now have the capability to make a 'flying saucer'? Couldn't such a landing be a 'hoax' by our government or someone else? You have obviously spent a great deal of time and energy researching phenomena related to UFOs in an objective manner. Would you then throw that all away and just believe what you saw? Where is the physical evidence of alien involvement in such an event? Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant. Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble Subject: CROP CIRCLES Date: 23 Jul 91 17:57:57 GMT From: Steve Gamble x3293 I have just returned to the UK after visiting the MUFON Conference in Chicago. There was much debate about crop circles, particularly circles from the UK, at the Conference so I thought I would send a brief update on what appears to be happening. First thing is that there appear to be a higher proportion of hoaxes this year, presumably following extensive media exposure of the subject last year. There were few reports in the early part of the year, maybe only a couple of dozen. About the time of the MUFON conference the number of reports began to pick up. At the conference Colin Andrews said he understood that the number of new reports had reached about 15 per day (similar to the peak rate last year). It appears, however, that the rate has reached two or three per day (i.e. 15 in the five days Colin had been away from home - perhaps he misunderstood the message or he knows about many more reports than the other circles researchers). There appear to be fewer single circles this year. Paul Fuller told me that there were quite a few 'dumbell' formations, two circles connected by a spur. Some people are classifying these as pictograms although personally I would resrict such a name to the more complex formations with several circles joined by spurs and with multiple extended features such as combs. Paul told me there were also more of these complex pictograms as well. There are at least two reports from the Midlands, these tend to be much rarer than further south. The first was a 65 feet wide circle found in oil seed rape (in the US known as something like swagname grass??? - woody stemed plant with bright yellow flowers with very oily seeds) near Market Harborough. This was found in the first week of June. The second circle was found near Wellingborough in Northamptonshire last week, but I have no more information as yet. Incidentally, Mike Chorost presented some very interesting material at the MUFON Conference about the apparent reduction of soil obtained from a circles sites. As Mike admitted, it was only from two circles so much more work will need to be done. It is possible that one circle was from Tennesse on 17th May 91, but I am not sure on that. The reduction effect was detected by measuring a lowering of the alpha radiation from the soil. Since alpha particles are helium nuclei, Mike suggests that electron have been added to the soil thereby neutalising the alpha particles (at least that's what I understood him to say). This might suggest some mechanism like the charged vortex that Terence Meaden has been proposing is at work. I think it is too early to discount the other theories of circle formation, but this could look good for Meaden's theory. STEVE GAMBLE s.gamble@uk.ac.crc -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Abduction Case Date: 22 Jul 91 22:22:00 GMT Steve: First, welcome to ParaNet. Your organization is a much-needed addition to this network. Second, a few months ago a program aired on American television on the subject of abductions. One of the three segments centered on a case involving a police officer in Yorkshire by the name of Alan Godfrey. I wondered if you were familiar with this case, and how it is regarded in the UK. It seemed a very interesting case on this end, but I had never heard of it before. Thanks, Jim Speiser -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: (none) Date: 24 Jul 91 01:17:00 GMT > From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush > Date: 23 Jul 91 15:41:39 GMT > Message-ID: <13477@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> > Newsgroups: info.paranet > > From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) > > Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant. You did. My comments about the landing were to imply that the alien business might be solved by those who believe that aliens are visiting this planet. Again, I require much more proof before I would believe anything. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: The Coverup Date: 24 Jul 91 04:33:00 GMT Kurt Lochner writes: > You were commenting to another couple of users and > I found the statements to be quite similar to some > of my own recent musings and speculations.... > > > > The existence of a cover-up is ultimately up to the > > UFO-nauts themselves. > ....... > > That is a fresh idea! A cover-up or is it more of > a cover-around for containment? A "cover-around" is more like it! They seem to be more concerned with containment which would be consistent with the "flap" phenomenon. > > I've recently toyed with the idea that the Greys and > other similar reports are a synthetic race, perhaps > android and controlled by a machine intelligence. > This could account for the reports of hesitance on > the behalf of "group encounters" with them. The machine > intelligence can't possibly be prepared for all of our > many unusual responses and may be confused by mankind > working at cross-purposes to himself. The android explanation would also get some support from the reports that Len Stringfield has published about Graylien anatomy: no digestive system, no sex organs, etc. It's an interesting idea. Come to think of it, nobody ever said that they found a toilet seat in the Roswell debris, did they? -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: The Coverup Date: 24 Jul 91 04:47:00 GMT Steve Rose writes: > > Haha! What gets me is the justification offered by those > who say they are walking amoung us. "Oh! They do not want > to upset the delicate balance and equalibrium of our > society by announcing their presense to us! The world > isn't ready yet...blah...blah...blah." Nice try. I WANT > my equalibrium disturbed. I *challenge* them to shock us > by simply showing up where they cannot be shrugged off as > passing weather balloons (boy that excuse is getting old, > isn't it). In my view...we should be demanding this as a > group, and not be forced to send serious researchers > running around the globe examining corn crops every time a > gopher farts. This isn't a GAME! If they really DO exist > and is not just wishful thinking on our parts, then they > should stop wasting time and show themselves! Even > Hollywood is running out of 'Close Encounter' scripts as it > has all been done already. > That's the spirit! Maybe we can just "shame" them out into the open somehow. Hmm ... -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: ST TNG Date: 23 Jul 91 23:40:00 GMT In reference to Star Trek - The Next Generation: > Linda Bird suggests... > > ? RE: Star Trek Episode called 'First Contact' > ? Ask Don Ecker of 'ASK UFO' what he can find out about where the > ? writers got their ideas. > > Can you help, Don? I do know two writers with ST-TNG and from what I was told, general UFO information and speculation on the manner that "first contact" would be handled was the crux of this segment. Hope this helps. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Star Trek--The Next Generation Date: 22 Jul 91 21:04:39 GMT In a message to ecn.purdue.edu!lush <20 Jul 91 19:31> James Nugent wrote: JN> I watched that epsiode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. I was JN> thinking the same thing when I watched it. I think It is just a JN> further atempt to condition the people for what is to come... A JN> PUBLIC LANDING OF AN ALIEN RACE. Gee...I guess there is no account for simple writer's imagination anymore. I guess now they are mandated to write every script with an ulterior motive. ;-) ParaNet Alpha-Epsilon -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: ST:TNG -- 'First Contact' Date: 25 Jul 91 05:36:54 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) Add me to the list of people who were blown away by the resemblance of the government's reactions in Star Trek to what our own government might be going through -- the idea that the public isn't ready for it, and all that. The *really* good part was the line about how even though they're going to keep it a secret, there would be rumors... I don't know if anyone on the *current* staff is into UFOlogy, but the credits used to list 'Creative Consultant: Tracy Torme' and there were several incidents that could've been interpreted as coming from his hobby. And then there was the dead giveaway: an episode in which a couple of crew members had missing time, and discovered that they had been abducted for genetic engineering purposes by a dieing race! -- * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Let's become Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again.' 37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: Lear Date: 25 Jul 91 05:37:48 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) To: Felipe Cantu +back in June in Los Angeles. His posisitomn of late has been rumored +that things are so far along that 'the screaming will all be over +before anyting can even be done'. Now he is supposed to have new +information that may shed a little different light on this matter. This +is all I know and wondered if anyone else has heard anything. I haven't heard anything about Lear recently, but I heard that Paul Bennewitz says that the base under Archuleta Mesa was destroyed a couple of years ago. The Greys were making cocaine and one of them shot an officer who was trying to stop them, so Delta Force trashed the place. So I guess the aliens aren't as invincible as they're supposed to be. Just for kicks, has anyone heard about the DEA seizing any land in the area in that time frame? There was supposed to be quite a bit of cocaine left at the base, and the DEA allegedly controls the entire mountain. -- * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Let's become Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again.' 37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: New Planet Date: 25 Jul 91 06:53:00 GMT Tonite ( July 24, 1991 ) on CNN, it was announce that British Astronomer Andrew Lyne, using the Gordell Buck radiotelescope in Cheshire, England, UK discovered the first known planet outside of our solar system. CNN reported that Lyne stated that the planet was approx. 10 X larger than Earth, and is in a 6 month orbit around a Pulsar about 30 Light Years from us. He also was reported as stating that "scientists agree that chances of life out there are pretty good." All the above would seem to put additional credence in Sitchen's thesis as it is now understood. FYI Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been? Date: 23 Jul 91 18:42:00 GMT LB>Cheer up! I'll be talking at ya soon. LB> Hi Linda! Thanks ... I feel better already! The 9600 CompuCom is a nice addition, although it can't talk to US Robotics or Hayes 9600 modems because it's v.29, not v.32/v.32bis. Still it's a boon and it was free (well, not free, but "payment in kind" for some copywriting I did a while back). LB>computer now. I'm still working with our 2400 system. Nothing wrong with 2400! Actually, if you have a 2400 MNP modem, things will still go faster because I've got MNP4 & MNP5 now. Nice typing at ya! Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: SS433 Date: 25 Jul 91 15:13:46 GMT From: James Roger Black If anyone is still interested in stellar object SS433, check out the book 'The Quest for SS433' by David H. Clark. It was published in 1986 under the Adam Hilger imprint by IOP Publishing, Ltd, Techno House, Redcliffe Way, Bristol BS1 6NX, England. The book describes the scientific wild-goose chase that resulted in the identification of SS433 as a binary star of somewhat bizarre, but neverthless comprehensible, configuration. It not only nails down SS433 pretty well, but it also gives some insights into how science really gets done. Things don't always work out the way they're supposed to, but it's often a lot more interesting that way. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: The Coverup Date: 24 Jul 91 23:33:00 GMT Hi Kurt Regarding the Greys: yu think they are some sort of android. It's possible. And, perhaps they are some sort of lower life form (from somewhere) that has been genetically altered in the realm of intelligence because dipictions of them do not indicate them to be a higher life form physically (compared to our standards). To me, they just don't seem to be physically strong enough to build the machines they fly. They also do not seem to have an opposable thumb. (They also donn't seem to be wearing any clothes! :-( Regards, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: test outgoing Date: 24 Jul 91 23:40:00 GMT Hi Michael, Sounds like you have a busy group up there. There's a lady in Seattle by the name of Aileen Edwards who runs a group called "UFO Contactees Center International." Ask your MUFON group what they have to say about this organization, then post it here, will you? Thanks. (I'm not trying to flame this lady, just want some info.) Regards, Linda Bird -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: A Good Read Date: 26 Jul 91 07:00:00 GMT Check out the August issue of _Atlantic Monthly_ magazine. At pg. 82 there is a nice article about Dr. Leo Sprinkle's 1991 Rocky Mountain UFO Conference. It's nice to see "mainstream media" do a story like this: no snide remarks, no judgmental attitude, no quips about "Billy Bob and his uncle/brother Joe Bob" being "the only people who see UFOs". Perhaps times ARE changing! -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) Subject: Crash at the Nevada Test Site Date: 26 Jul 91 05:59:00 GMT ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV that a helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security crashed on the test site. The reports labeled the crash as "mysterious." Another media source stated that there was a strange energy burst detected just prior to the crash at about 9:30 P.M. yesterday. We will update this story as more details become available. ParaNet Information Service -- ParaNet(sm) Information Service - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ParaNet(sm).Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) Subject: Gerald Anderson Date: 26 Jul 91 06:04:00 GMT ParaNet has talked to Stan Friedman who has reported that Gerald Anderson, the alleged witness to alien bodies at the Roswell crash, has passed a lie detector test. Gerald Anderson claims that he witnessed alien bodies near a crash site in 1947 when he was a little boy. He claims that one of the aliens was alive at the time. Although there is considerable controversy surrounding Anderson's story, the polygraph exam is one way in which Friedman is attempting to verify Anderson's story. There is a diary involved in Friedman's investigation which shows signs of being altered and may contain what Freidman calls "disinformation." We will keep you updated as more information comes in. ParaNet Information Service -- ParaNet(sm) Information Service - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ParaNet(sm).Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: GULF BREEZE Date: 24 Jul 91 16:28:00 GMT Jim; Sinse you and Jim Speiser both responsed with about the same argument,I will try to answer you questions as one. You mention that I'm a strong advocate for GB and that is true. This is a true statement. I try to run my investigations and life using logic and from all the information that has come out of GB shows that beyond a reasonable doubt that there are strange craft visiting this area that are not something known on this earth. I have progress far beyond the point that if Ed's pictures are real or not. This, from all the facts that have been presented to all show that is indeed very possible. The 350 other witness, Nippon TV, etc. have back up Ed's claim. The statement that you made about others not being with Ed at the time is false. My good friend Jiles Hamilton was giving a lecture at a church when one flew over, 40 people including Ed saw this object and Ed photograph it. He was the only one that had a camera at the time. It showed to be a type 2 craft that Ed photograph earlier in his encounters. You and Jim have both missed the train, while most others have boarded and have long departed on the other questions as WHO, WHAT, How and Where,you two are still arguing over if that was the right train or not. Yes; if you are curious, I am a State Section Director for MUFON and I took over the job when MUFON ask Willy Smith to step down after his famous statement to the press. I also spent a few days up in Gulf Breeze during Ed's encounters. I also had the privilege to meet Mr. Walters and found him to be a sincere and honest person but this has not swayed my view on GB. I have tried to approach this whole incident from a logical view and not from Ed's past history or if MUFON is holding back information. I also wrote a lengthly letter to MUFON on Bruce's photo analyze and mention that both Rex and Bruce could not make a accurate determination because there were a lot of information needed that was missing. I been involved in precision optics for over 30 years and a engineer for a rather large Aerospace company at the time. My report was not printed or mention anywhere. No problem with that because I have moved on to better things as a lot of others have done. We must ALL start working together for the common cause and not let our personal feelings or ambitions get in the way. I really don't care if aperson belongs to MUFON, CUFOS or any other organization. What I'm interestedin is what they have found in their research and investigations. If this person or organization feels that its needs to keep some information from us then they must have a good reason for this and I will have to except it. I do this quite often in my postings on the various echos. Sorry, but I just won't tell the whole story because of reasons I feel should not betold. I might add that if you see one of my "what if" posted, look at it real close because it might have some very important information locked up in it. One must not forget that Florida is a haven for retired mititary and others. And if use the philosophy "seek and you will find" then you will find. BTW, Central Florida is putting on a symposium in August at the Disney World village. Some of the top researchers in the country will be there,hope you can make it. Also Orlando will have open to the public the "FirstWorld UFO Museum and Research Library". This is a great step forward to letting the general public know what is happening around the world. If you need anymore information about these two items let me know. With Regards ---Jim------ RemoteAccess 0.03+ -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************