Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 443 Sunday, July 28th 1991 Today's Topics: Miscellaneous questions New Planet and other strange things (none) Re: Planet Discovered Re: Planet Discovered Astronomers discover possible new planet Re: Aliens Are Coming Re: Hi -where ya been? Lear Crash at the Nevada Test Site Re: Lear ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: Miscellaneous questions Date: 26 Jul 91 17:53:15 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) ? From: Steve Gamble x3293 ? First thing is that there appear to be a higher proportion of ? hoaxes this year, presumably following extensive media ? exposure of the subject last year. Can you tell us how it is determined that a crop pattern is a hoax? ------------------------------------------------------------------- ? From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) ? Regarding: ST TNG ? Date: 23 Jul 91 23:40:00 GMT ? ? I do know two writers with ST-TNG and from what I was told, general UFO ? information and speculation on the manner that 'first contact' would be ? handled was the crux of this segment. ? ? Hope this helps. ? ? Don ? Yes. Thank You. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ? From: Steve.Rose@p1.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) ? Subject: Star Trek--The Next Generation ? Date: 22 Jul 91 21:04:39 GMT ? ? Gee...I guess there is no account for simple writer's imagination anymore. I ? guess now they are mandated to write every script with an ulterior motive. ;-) Steve, Speaking for myself, I *DID* ascribe the bulk of the show to such an individual's imagination. However, the striking resemblance of the text to UFO literature and 'small talk' (postings on newsgroups) caught my attention. I wasn't ascribing any kind of intrigue, I was merely intrigued. -------------------------------------------------------------------- ?From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) ?Regarding: Crash at the Nevada Test Site ? ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV ? that a helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security ? crashed on the test site. The reports labeled the crash as ? 'mysterious.' Another media source stated that there was a strange ? energy burst detected just prior to the crash at about 9:30 P.M. ? yesterday. We will update this story as more details become available. ? ? ParaNet Information Service I realize it's still early, but I had some questions that I would ask you to look out for. What are the media sources? Can you point out a newspaper account? How was the 'energy burst' detected? Was it a burst of light, or a sonic boom, or something else? Was it a single burst or a double burst, or... Is this the test site where the nuclear tests are done? What is Wackenhut Security? Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dg-rtp.dg.com!grossg Subject: New Planet and other strange things Date: 26 Jul 91 19:52:08 GMT From: grossg@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) Well, I've got a little time this afternoon, maybe I can add some thoughts to the discussions. The newly discovered planet is certainly the first. However, some evidence exists that there are others. Confirmation could come at any time. These objects are extremely far away, even by galaxtic standards, and require much more effort on the part of astronomers. Wouldn't be surprized if we suddenly had a rash of confirmations of new planets out there. That is just the way things seem to happen. As for the Greys, not being a firm believer in aliens (not denying the possibility, but I'm from Missouri on this), I think the speculation needn't be so fanciful. If they exist, why couldn't they be a higher form of insect? Notice that worker bees do not have sex organs, and in some cases, do not have fully developed digestive tracks. They exist only to gather nectar and pollen for the hive. When they have worn out, they simply die. I've been watching this happening at home. Several bumble-bees (amazing how they ignore scientist and keep right on flying 8-)) have parked themselves on my plants -- their wings tattered, looking somehow old. They are not gathering nectar or pollen. They sit on a leaf or a flower petal hardly moving. I've watched them at great length only to see them die. That is the way it is in nature. +From all that I've read about the Greys, I would tend to think, if they are real, that they are insects with a higher intelligence, naturally or artificially induced (genetic manipulation), so that they can be trained and controlled. They are then used to perform tasks their masters do not want, or cannot, perform. It could well be that a true android can never be built. We are already running into serious problems with robotics and AI ourselves (not that that proves anything -- just that it seems far more difficult than SF writers seem to think). Also, an organic device like this would be ideal in many circumstances. If a robot goes hinky, what can you use to control its behavior. Whereas with an organic, you have all sorts of rewards and punishments that could be used. The best way to find out for sure is to get one and examine it. Anybody got a spare Grey hanging around!? ;-) BTW, Clark could you send me your address? I have a tape that I want to send you (VCR tape with film taken of a UFO from an airplane). I want someone else to examine this thing and give me their impressions. The rest of the films is hokey but has some interesting parts to it. Gene Gross Knowing that you are going to hang focusses the mind wonderfully. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: (none) Date: 27 Jul 91 04:53:00 GMT > From: ncar!ecn.purdue.edu!lush > Date: 26 Jul 91 17:53:15 GMT > Message-ID: <13541@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> > Newsgroups: info.paranet > > From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) > From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) > > Regarding: Crash at the Nevada Test Site > > ? ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV > ? that a helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security > ? crashed on the test site. The reports labeled the crash as > ? 'mysterious.' Another media source stated that there was a strange > ? energy burst detected just prior to the crash at about 9:30 P.M. > ? yesterday. We will update this story as more details become > available. > ? > ? ParaNet Information Service > > I realize it's still early, but I had some questions that I would ask > you to look out for. What are the media sources? Can you point out a > newspaper account? How was the 'energy burst' detected? Was it a burst > of light, or a sonic boom, or something else? Was it a single burst or > a double burst, or... Is this the test site where the nuclear tests > are done? What is Wackenhut Security? There will be more information over the weekend. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Planet Discovered Date: 27 Jul 91 05:09:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Sci.Astro" * Originally from Ron Baalke * Originally dated 07-25-91 12:23 From: baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov (Ron Baalke) Date: 24 Jul 91 19:56:23 GMT Organization: Jet Propulsion Laboratory Message-ID: <1991Jul24.200450.18259@elroy.jpl.nasa.gov> Newsgroups: sci.astro In article <1991Jul24.192901.6767@noao.edu>, phall@noao.edu (Pat Hall - Visitor) writes... >This morning on CNN Headline news they reported that radio astronomers at the >University of Manchester have discovered a planet orbiting another star and are >reporting it in the latest issue of Nature or Science (sorry, I forget which). >The brief bulletin gave the following details: "a planet twice as big as earth >and ten times as dense orbiting a star 30,000 light years away." That's a >quote from memory... either I heard wrong or they got something about it wrong; >current technology would be hard put to detect something that mass around the >nearest stars, let alone a star 10 kiloparsecs away. If anyone has information >from a more reliable source, I'd love to hear it, but I thought people on the >net would like to get the news ASAP... certainly I'm excited about a confirmed >planet outside our own solar system. > Note that this a possible discovery of a planet outside the solar system; the astronomers are not 100% certain yet. The report was in the British journal Nature, and a British team headed by Andrew Lyne used a radio telescope at the Nuffield Radio Astronomy Lab of the University of Manchester in Cheshire, Britain, to make the possible discovery. The star in question which they think they've found a planet is pulsar 1829-10. The planet appears to be twice the diameter of Earch, and 10 times its mass, and orbiting the same distance from its sun as Venus is from our sun. The planet also appears to be in a highly circular orbit, orbiting every six months around the pulsar. There is also evidence in their data that there might be other planets around the same star. ___ _____ ___ /_ /| /____/ \ /_ /| Ron Baalke | baalke@kelvin.jpl.nasa.gov | | | | __ \ /| | | | Jet Propulsion Lab | ___| | | | |__) |/ | | |__ M/S 301-355 | "Computers are useless. /___| | | | ___/ | |/__ /| Pasadena, CA 91109 | They can only give you |_____|/ |_|/ |_____|/ | answers." Pablo Picasso -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Planet Discovered Date: 27 Jul 91 05:10:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Sci.Astro" * Originally from Brad Templeton * Originally dated 07-25-91 12:24 From: brad@looking.on.ca (Brad Templeton) Date: 24 Jul 91 21:19:30 GMT Organization: Looking Glass Software Ltd. Message-ID: <1991Jul24.211930.1585@looking.on.ca> Newsgroups: sci.astro Here are more details from the story in clari.tw.space. Reprinted with permission, of course. For more infomation on ClariNet, write to info@clarinet.com or phone 1-800-USE-NETS From: clarinews@clarinet.com (ROB STEIN, UPI Science Editor) Newsgroups: clari.tw.space,clari.tw.science,clari.tw.education, clari.news.interest,clari.news.top Subject: Astronomers discover possible new planet Keywords: space, science, research, higher education, education, mysteries of the universe, human interest Date: Wed, 24 Jul 91 12:34:55 EDT ACategory: washington Slugword: planet Priority: major Note: (editors: the 6 pm edt embargo on this story has been broken) WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Astronomers announced Wednesday they had discovered what could be the first planet outside Earth's solar system, a mysterious world that appears to be orbiting the flashing remains of a collapsed star. ``It's not 100 percent sure they're right, but if they are it's trailblazing and historic,'' said Cornell University astronomer Carl Sagan. Although scientists have long thought other planets exist elsewhere in the universe, the discovery could end the long hunt and provide new reason to believe that extraterrestrial life may be possible, the researchers said. ``It's the first concrete evidence that there may be other planetary systems other than our own in the universe. Ours could have just been a fluke. But if we see other planets it means our star is not alone in having a planetary system,'' said Andrew Lyne, who led the British team that found the possible planet. ``If there are other planetary systems then it means that there are other possible platforms for life in the universe. Planets are about the only place in the universe that we think that life could exist in any form that we could imagine,'' he said in a telephone interview. Lyne said he doubted life existed on the newly discovered planet because any living organisms would probably have been destroyed when its sun collapsed in a massive nuclear explosion. In addition, its sun -- a pulsar -- emits most of its energy in the form of deadly gamma ray radiation, which would constantly bathe any planet and kill any life, Lyne said. However, he added that there is a remote possibility the planet was formed after the sun collapsed, or it could have some type of atmosphere that could protect life. If it has an atmosphere, the gamma rays from the star probably produce a constant light show similar to Earth's northern lights as gamma rays hit the atmosphere every third of a second, he said. Other astronomers, however, remained skeptical, saying more research had to be conducted before anyone could conclude the researchers had in fact discovered a planet. ``It's the Holy Grail of astronomy -- to find a new planet. There have been a number of announcements that have all turned out to be either premature or incorrect,'' said NASA astronomer Stephen Maran. ``The question is, is this more of the same or is this the breakthrough we're all waiting for?'' Sagan said there was about a 50-50 chance that the body would turn out actually to be a planet. If true, the discovery raises a host of questions about how planets and pulsars form, Sagan said in a telephone interview. The search for other planets and other solar systems has been difficult because telescopes on Earth are not powerful enough to detect relatively small planets circling much brighter stars that are so far away it takes light, traveling at 186,000 miles per second, years to reach Earth. In the new report in the British journal Nature, Lyne and colleagues used a radio telescope at the Nuffield Radio Astronomy Laboratories of the University of Manchester in Cheshire, Britain, to study a star known as pulsar 1829-10. When the cores of massive stars exhaust their nuclear fuel, outward radiation can no longer offset the inward pull of gravity. As a result, such stars can suddenly collapse and explode, leaving a small core just a few miles across that is so dense normal atoms are crushed into a sphere of uncharged neutrons. Spinning neutron stars are called pulsars because they emit regular flashes of radiation as they spin about in the depths of space like cosmic lighthouses. In 1985, Lyne and his colleagues discovered the pulsar about 30,000 light years from our solar system near the center of the Milky Way. A light year, the distance light travels in a year, is about 6 trillion miles. The researchers have been studying the radio signals it emits and intensified their observations in an attempt to understand what appeared to be an irregularity in its pulse every six months. _ About six weeks ago, the astronomers began to suspect that the irregularity was caused by the gravitational pull of an orbiting body. ``It took a few days to dawn on us. We were worried there might be something wrong with our equipment,'' Lyne said. ``But we were very excited when we realized what this implied.'' After accounting for other possible explanations, the scientists concluded the oscillation was caused by a planet orbiting the star in a highly circular orbit every six months. The planet appears to be about twice the diameter and 10 times the mass of Earth and is about the same distance from its sun as Venus is from our sun. The astronomers are continuing to study the pulsar to learn more about the possible planet and determine whether there are any other planets orbiting the star, Lyne said. ``There's an indication in our data of some effects that could be attributable to other planets. They would be further away from the star, '' he said. In an article accompanying the new report, David Black of the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, said that if the planet is confirmed it could challenge existing theories about planet and pulsar formation. -- Brad Templeton, ClariNet Communications Corp. -- Waterloo, Ontario 519/884-7473 -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Aliens Are Coming Date: 27 Jul 91 05:36:00 GMT I would appreciate it if anyone on this net has any further information on this report. It apparently is being taken seriously by the science people on the astronomy net. Mike * Forwarded from "Sci.Astro" * Originally from Victor C. Limary * Originally dated 07-19-91 12:10 From: vcl@mimas.UUCP (Victor C. Limary) Date: 19 Jul 91 00:20:18 GMT Organization: Albuquerque Academy, Albuquerque NM Message-ID: Newsgroups: sci.astro Markku.Honkonen@p0.f861.n220.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Markku Honkonen) writes: > In news there was something about Australian astronomers that had > find some signals, that could have been sent by intelligent life? > Does anyone know anything about that? If you know and can talk about > it, write to makezu@jybox.jyu.fi (not in this net, please. I must > call long-distances to reach it )= Seriously, what's the deal with this? I heard about it being on the news a couple of days ago, but I thought that it was just a big joke. ----------------------- Victor C. Limary mimas!vcl@bbx.basis.com -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been? Date: 26 Jul 91 18:10:00 GMT Hi Clark! Will have to call up your board again! Will wait for the rates to be cheaper. A new computer always seems to cheer a person up. I have a color monitor now, and LOVE it. See ya, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Lear Date: 26 Jul 91 18:37:00 GMT Hello Jim, Be honest--could it really be possible for there to be a base of Grays who are making cocaine? If so, who are they really making it for? The people who seems to be into cocaine are mostly "airheads" and "low- lifers." (Not that I don't feel sorry for them.) BUT, it seems to me that rather than corrupting THOSE people, what about us UFO-watchers and people who "watch-dog" the UFO movement? Why aren't they tempting US with some kind of substance that would render us ineffective? Do you see my point?? Are you the person who said to look at a certain photo (#70A13) of the Mars Face, etc.? I have a book here, and I did, and I WANT TO TALK TO YOU!! Was it you? If not, who? (anyone out there who knows) Thanks for all the great posts! Linda Bird -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: Crash at the Nevada Test Site Date: 28 Jul 91 04:55:40 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) ParaNet Information Service writes: +ParaNet has just learned from our correspondent in Las Vegas, NV that a +helicopter carrying employees of EG&G and Wackenhut Security crashed on the +test site. The reports labeled the crash as 'mysterious.' Another media I can't remember what the phrase used in my local newspaper was, but if it said 'mysterious' it was only in the sense of "not explained yet", rather than 'anomalous.' +source stated that there was a strange energy burst detected just prior to the +crash at about 9:30 P.M. yesterday. We will update this story as more details +become available. That part didn't appear here. I'm certainly anxious to hear further details. Don't take this as speculation about *this* crash (unless you have any evidence pointing to it), but someone once theorized that some plane crashes could be caused by the planes flying into gravitational anomalies. I'll have to find the article and see what the posited source of the gravitational anomalies was, but I think it was natural. I'm not talking about Berlitz or anything else fancy, just a simple change in the strength of the local gravitational field. -- * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | 'Let's become Jim Shaffer, Jr. | amix.commodore.com!vanth!jms | alive again.' 37 Brook Street | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | --Yes -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Graham@p0.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Graham) Subject: Re: Lear Date: 28 Jul 91 09:07:28 GMT In a message sent 11:37: 26 Jul 91, Linda Bird blurbed to vanth!jms LB> LB> Are you the person who said to look at a certain photo (#70A13) of th LB> e LB> Mars Face, etc.? I have a book here, and I did, and I WANT TO TALK T LB> O LB> YOU!! Was it you? If not, who? (anyone out there who knows) LB> Wrong Jim! It was I, Jim Graham of ParaNet ALPHA-GAMMA who requested the guinea pig/mars face experiment. If this is what you are referring to, please let me know what you see via netmail. I just took a second look at that plate in my book, and it's even more pronounced than it is on the gif image. Probably nothing to it, but it's food for thought. BTW: I posted this to you before, but my line editor is broken (makes all messages I post "invisible". 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