Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 445 Monday, August 5th 1991 Today's Topics: Mars face and guinea pigs Antiscience Trends in the USSR Free Intro Copyu Re: The Coverup Lear And Others... Lear and others... Radio Program BUFORA INFORMATION (Warning :: LONG) Re: Hi -where ya been? Re: Mars face and guinea pigs Re: Crop circle: Wiltshire,UK Re: Bennewitz Re: The Coverup New Planet (none) Agenda and Intent of Cosmic Brotherhood John Foster Incident(s) ------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Graham@p0.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Graham) Subject: Mars face and guinea pigs Date: 30 Jul 91 06:52:52 GMT In a message sent 22:14: 28 Jul 91, Linda Bird blurbed to Jim Graham: LB> Hello Jim, LB> Yes, it was you after all who asked for a person to look at the LB> Face of Mars, etc. I don't how to "netmail" so perhaps we could talk LB> on the phone? LB> I'm in the Mesa, AZ phone book (on Sunview) and you can call me LB> collect anytime on Monday, July 29th. LB> Darn! The time is now 11:51 p.m. EST as I read this. So, the 29th is almost past to me. I'll be in touch, though. I really am interested in hearing about what you "see". Jim -- Jim Graham - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Graham@p0.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Faeder@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder) Subject: Antiscience Trends in the USSR Date: 30 Jul 91 04:33:19 GMT The above article appears in the August 1991 Scientific American. The sub-title is: "A prominent Soviet scientist traces the reasons underlying the current surge in superstitions, cults and antitechnological protests in his country" I encourage all readers of this news digest to read this article. I won't say why but I think it'll be obvious to you after reading it. I would say that this article is not limited to the peoples of the Soviet Union, but can be applied to certain personalities, regardless of citizenship. In addition, perhaps we should proceed cautiously regarding any Soviet "authorities" bringing forth information. Anyway, I won't say anymore until you get a chance to read this. -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hrusovszky@f300.n238.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hrusovszky) Subject: Free Intro Copyu Date: 29 Jul 91 05:44:00 GMT About 3 or 4 or 5 months ago, there was a message left here about a new newsletter (or was it a magazine) that was being started. There was a price, etc. There was also a FREE offer for the first issue to anyone who netmailed. Well, I netmailed, but have never received anything, not even a reply. Can anyone shed some light on this? Did it flop? Was there REALLY a free first issue offer? What gives? Thanks in advance. -- John Hrusovszky - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hrusovszky@f300.n238.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Re: The Coverup Date: 30 Jul 91 06:11:15 GMT > Regarding the Greys: > you think they are some sort of android. Yes, I do. At least my experience with them indicates that they aren't what we interpret them as being. Perhaps this is something to do with our perceptual field being different to theirs. > It's possible. And, perhaps they are some sort of > lower life form (from somewhere) that has been genetically > altered in the realm of intelligence because depictions > of them do not indicate them to be a higher life form > physically (compared to our standards). I don't think that physical comparisons apply correctly to these encounters with them and the Norse giants. > To me, they just don't seem to be physically strong > enough to build the machines they fly. What about the flight characteristics? 40-G turns usually are quite messy with corpreal life-forms as there is no such critter as "anti-gravity" involved with them. > They also do not seem to have an opposable thumb. Where'd you hear that? > (They also don't seem to be wearing any clothes!) Indeed, it would seem to be a pressure suit of sorts but might actually be an insect-like exoskeleton. The reports of the "blood serum" smelling like ozone intrigues me. Anything to add? -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: Lear And Others... Date: 31 Jul 91 08:23:00 GMT > To: vanth!jms > Newsgroups: info.paranet > > > > I haven't heard anything about Lear recently, but I > > heard that Paul Bennewitz says that the base under > > Archuleta Mesa was destroyed a couple of years ago. > > Hmm, we had an intrepid adventurer by the name of > T.S. Bennet propose a journey to those parts. I've > yet to reach him by phone again..... Anyone have any idea who is TS Bennet? Is this his real name or what transpired of this so called bad guy.. Mike Keithly > > > > Just for kicks, has anyone heard about the DEA seizing > > any land in the area in that time frame? > > There was supposed to be quite a bit of cocaine left > > at the base, and the DEA allegedly controls the entire > > mountain. > > > I have no doubt that someone could put together a possible > scenario about drugs, extraterrestrials and the DEA. My > question would be much more direct. Why, if at all.... > > > > > > -- > > | 'Let's become alive again.' > > | --Yes > > > > --- FD 1.99c > * Origin: -=ParaNet XI-Gamma(sm)=- Lattice 0kc (405)/277-3603 > (1:14766/22) -- Mike Keithly - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kurt Lochner) Subject: Lear and others... Date: 30 Jul 91 06:21:27 GMT To: vanth!jms Newsgroups: info.paranet > > I haven't heard anything about Lear recently, but I > heard that Paul Bennewitz says that the base under > Archuleta Mesa was destroyed a couple of years ago. Hmm, we had an intrepid adventurer by the name of T.S. Bennet propose a journey to those parts. I've yet to reach him by phone again..... > > Just for kicks, has anyone heard about the DEA seizing > any land in the area in that time frame? > There was supposed to be quite a bit of cocaine left > at the base, and the DEA allegedly controls the entire > mountain. > I have no doubt that someone could put together a possible scenario about drugs, extraterrestrials and the DEA. My question would be much more direct. Why, if at all.... > -- > | 'Let's become alive again.' > | --Yes > -- Kurt Lochner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kurt.Lochner@f22.n14766.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Radio Program Date: 31 Jul 91 21:22:00 GMT On Friday August 2nd, I will be a guest on Chuck Harder's "For the People" radio program. The topic will be UFOs here and in the USSR. The program starts at 3:00PM EST, 12:00PM PST. He is on the SUN and American Radio Network to my best knowledge. If you get a chance, tune in. Don Ecker -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgamble Subject: BUFORA INFORMATION (Warning :: LONG) Date: 1 Aug 91 06:25:17 GMT From: Steve Gamble x3293 Following the introduction of BUFORA to Paranet, several people asked for further information about BUFORA. I have uploaded a version of our leaflet for membership which I hope aswers these points. -------------------------------------------------------------- BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF BUFORA AND ITS ACTIVITIES ABOUT UFOS The modern study of unidentified flying object phenomena (UFOs) is commonly held to have started with the report of Kenneth Arnold. On Tuesday 24th June 1947 Arnold, a private pilot, reported 'nine peculiar aircraft' near Mount Rainer, Washington State, USA. In fact there appear to have been many reports over the years before Arnold's report. In the UK there are reports of strange aerial phenomena back at least to the turn of the century. There are many theories about the possible origins or nature of these phenomena including, amongst others, UFOs may be natural phenomena and UFOs may be advanced technology. BUFORA recognises that there are a number of explanatory hypotheses and does not advocate any particular theory. ABOUT BUFORA BUFORA was founded in 1962, as a federation of regional UFO groups throughout the UK. Many of these groups were formed in the 1950s. These included the British Flying Saucer Bureau, founded in 1952, which is believed to be the UK's oldest UFO group. In 1962 the group was known as the British UFO Association, changing its name in 1964 to the present British UFO Research Association. BUFORA became a company limited by guarantee in 1975. This means that in the event of BUFORA being wound up each members undertaking to cover any outstanding debts is limited to 1 pound. BUFORA is registered under the U.K. Data Protection Act, and amongst other things membership records are held on a computer database. (It is the policy of BUFORA NOT to release membership records to third parties.) BUFORA is run entirely by volunteers, relying solely on its members to fund and carry out its investigation, research and educational activities. The day to day running of BUFORA is in the hands of a Council of Management drawn from the members. Membership of BUFORA is open to all who support the aims of the association, and whose application is approved by the Council of Management. AIMS OF BUFORA The three aims of BUFORA are: 1. To encourage, promote and conduct unbiased scientific research of unidentified flying object (UFO) phenomena throughout the United Kingdom 2. To collect and disseminate evidence and data relating to unidentified flying objects 3. To co-ordinate UFO research throughout the United Kingdom and to co-operate with others engaged in such research throughout the world. ACTIVITIES OF BUFORA In pursuit of its aims, BUFORA supports active investigation and research teams. The investigation team carries out on site field investigation of cases, whilst the research team gets involved in activities such as statistical research and technical support activities. Major research projects are underway to computerise BUFORA's case records and in the field of witness lead investigation. These activities are backed up by a press cutting service and extensive libraries of case reports and published literature on UFO phenomena. The heads of both the investigation (Jenny Randles) and the research (Steve Gamble) teams are members of the Council of Management of BUFORA. Both are assisted in organising the activities of their sections by advisory committees made up of members with a special interest in these activities. BUFORA organises in London a programme of monthly lectures (September to June) on a variety of UFO related topics. Additionally regional meetings are held, and every other year BUFORA co-sponsors the International UFO Congress. Members receive free of charge, six issues per year, of its regular publication 'UFO Times', which carries details of investigated reports and results of research projects. Members may also elect to receive six issues per year of the 'UFO Newsfile' for an additional fee of 6 pounds. 'UFO Newsfile' is a collection of the best newpaper clippings received from BUFORA's newsclipping service. The 'UFO Times' is edited by Mike Wootten, 'UFO Newsfile' is edited by Mike Hudson. BUFORA operates with British Telecom the 'UFOCALL' hot line, which carries information about reports and updates on events (phone: 0898 12 1886; Note charge currently 45p per minute peak rate, 34p offpeak). These pre-recorded four minute messages are updated every two weeks. In recent years BUFORA has established its international reputation by its investigation and research work, and a number of major publications. BUFORA is a founder, and the UK representative organisation of the International Committee for UFO Research. BUFORA currently provides the Chairman (Robert Digby), the Secretary (Steve Gamble) and Treasurer (John Spencer) on the I.C.U.R. executive. BUFORA is the publisher of the 'UFO Lexicon', which is an international glossary of UFO-related terms in ten languages. BUFORA is involved in a number of collaborative projects with other UFO groups both throughout the UK and the rest of the world. BUFORA is actively seeking to promote local branches of its members throughout the U.K. and the rest of the world. PUBLICATIONS OF BUFORA The BUFORA Journal was published from 1965 until 1982 when it was replaced by the BUFORA Bulletin. From 1979 to 1989 BUFORA also published the Journal of Transient Aerial Phenomena. In 1989 the Bulletin and JTAP were combined and relaunched as the UFO Times. In addition to 'UFO Times', BUFORA has published a number of booklets and papers on specific aspects of research and investigation (for example our Vehicle Interference Report and Investigator Handbook), or as in depth case studies of specific reports (eg The Livingstone Encounter). BUFORA publishes 'UFO World', a series which is a review of UFO Investigation and Research throughout the world. Recent publications include 'UFOs 1947 - 1987' (published by Fortean Tomes [1987]), 'Phenomenon' (published in the UK by Macdonald & Futura [1988] and by Avon in the United States), 'Fire in the Sky' (BUFORA [1989]) and 'Controversy of the Circles' (BUFORA [1989]). Details of publications currently available (including back issues of Journals) can be obtained from the registered office (enclose S.A.E. please). Some BUFORA publications are also available through Spacelink Books, 115 Hollybush Lane, Hampton, TW12 2QY England; and Arturus Book Service, P.O. Box 831383, Stone Mountain, GA 30083-0023, U.S.A. I wish to apply for membership of BUFORA and enclose payment of 18.00 pounds (or US $36) being my first annual subscription. (Membership is subject to approval by the Council of Management) All applications must be signed. Name ........................................................ (In full please)........................... Title (eg Mr, Mrs, Miss, Sir)............... 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(Note: Must be signed by parent or guardian for applicants under 18 years of age) Please return completed forms to : BUFORA, 16 Southway, Burgess Hill, Sussex, RH15 9ST, England Overseas payments should be by International Money Order drawn in pounds Sterling or by U.S. Dollars (Bills only) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Hi -where ya been? Date: 1 Aug 91 00:45:00 GMT Hi Clark, Maybe I can call your BBS this weekend when the rates are cheaper (or I could get up earlier during the week.....huh..?) Would be nice to chat wid ya.. Soon, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Mars face and guinea pigs Date: 1 Aug 91 00:51:00 GMT Hi Jim, We'll try again to touch base. I have a 4-day weekend coming up, so give me a holler Aug 2-5. I should be around. Or if you can netmail me your phone #, I'll call you. Or you can call me for 30 seconds and then I'll call you back; if my hubby answers and you call collect, he won't know who you are....(he isn't interested in this subject matter, though he does like astronomy). Looking forward to talking to you! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Crop circle: Wiltshire,UK Date: 1 Aug 91 01:02:00 GMT Hello Don, I sure do enjoy your posts from Robert Trevelyan (sp?) in England. Please tell him thanks for me; I'd sure like some pictures of these c.c. and perhaps UFO Magazine will print some (hint, hint) or maybe even the MUFON monthly Journal. Interest in this area is not waning. Regards, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Bennewitz Date: 1 Aug 91 01:17:00 GMT Hi Jim, Bennewitz is the fellow with the Philadephia Experiment, right? I pretty much know that one. What else does he say? Sounds like he keeps coming up with new "mind-blowers" to stay in the public eye. (He tells the stories so much, that even he begins to believe them?) I think he's going to be in the Phoenix area for a Tim Green Beckley conference - is Bennewitz worth paying money to hear speak? Awaiting your reply, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: The Coverup Date: 1 Aug 91 01:26:00 GMT Hi Kurt, To add to some people's idea that the Greys look like insects, I'm reminded of an article in the most recent UDO Magazine in which a man describes an encounter with beings that looked like insects to him. It's a rather strange encounter, doesn't seem to fit the norm (what- ever THAT is), but here's a brief quote: "Although they had a basic humanoid shape, in size they were somewhat smaller than most terrestrial humans, with a slight body build. They were a glossy dark color and seemed to be insectoid. Their heads were proportionately about the size of a human head, but shaped differently, with pronounced dark eyes without a white." He went on to mention that they are "chitinous looking" and their reply was, "...you seem very mammalian to us!" I 'll be happy to sent you a copy of this article if you want it. Best to you, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: dg-rtp.dg.com!grossg Subject: New Planet Date: 1 Aug 91 20:34:22 GMT From: grossg@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) Funny thing about the idea that life might exist on this new one circling about a pulsar -- IT WAS SAGAN WHO SAID THAT LIFE MIGHT YET EXIST ON IT!! I'll dig out the exact quote and post it. One last thought about this: has anyone really considered that our definition of life might be far too narrow? We base our thinking on this on the carbon lifeforms we see here on this planet, and some rather good brains have determined, by whatever 'magic,' that this is the most likely paradigm for life in the universe, 'if other life exists.' Somehow, while part of me likes to believe that this is so, I have this uneasy feeling that life may be far more ubiquitous and common than even the carbon model predicts. I think that the universe is predisposed to the formation of life -- despite the violence and chaos that we observe. (Maybe this is a wish on my part -- after all, I make a living using my imagination and creative talents.) And if the universe is indeed predisposed to life, then we might only be seeing one small (miniscule) part of life that exists. Maybe the SF folks aren't as far out into fantasy as one might first think with their bizarre encylopaedias of aliens. Something to think about anyway. And before some of you smarter ones write a long post on why the carbon model is the most likely, please don't do it for me -- I've got files full of that stuff packed away in boxes. Do it for some of the others, yes, but not me. Thanks. Back to stretching Interleaf to new boundaries while trying not to crash my system. Gene Gross Project Lead Data General Corporation RTP, NC 27709 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: (none) Date: 1 Aug 91 21:51:40 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Subject: Agenda and Intent of Cosmic Brotherhood In response to Michael Corbin: ? Do you really know the agenda of these aliens or whatever they are? ? If you do, then why don't they come out and show themselves? I'm assuming these were not rhetorical questions. There has been a lot of discussion about this lately so I thought I'd put in my perception of what is going on. The second question is a common one which I have often seen asked. This is not as simple a question as it appears so it may be hard to write the answer in a believable form without getting long-winded. I don't want to make this too long, so I'll try to give short answers. I'm not asking anyone to believe this; just please read it figuring now you'll know what some believers in the 'cosmic brotherhood' are thinking. I'll just tell you the explanations as I have read them in the Phoenix Journals as they are representative of the 'cosmic brotherhood' of which you spoke. I do not endorse any other publications supposedly originating from Pleiadians or others because I have read little of what people call 'channelled' material. I do find that other "channelled" material I have read justifies the negative response I have received from readers of ParaNet when I discussed the Phoenix Journals previously. I say again that this material is different. For those unfamiliar with my previous posts about the Phoenix Journals, the publishers claim that they are written by Hatonn, an alien from the Pleiades. I understand that this is not 'scientific,' but here goes anyway. This first is in reference to what you asked about their 'agenda.' Hatonn says that his 'command' is here first and foremost to educate people as to what is and has been going on behind the scenes on this planet. This includes going back to time before recorded history, but mainly it means events in the last couple centuries. (Current times are obviously more readily researchable for personal confirmation.) They say that they are presenting this information so that every human can make a conscious choice as to whether he/she wishes to continue to support the causes of our problems--some of which you briefly describe below. Secondly, they are here to retrieve what they call their 'ground crew.' I don't know what "ground crew" means precisely, but I know they are not referring to what people call 'walk-ins.' I don't understand if this means humans, or if it means actual aliens on the planet. They are also happy to evacuate anyone who wishes and requests evacuation in case the need arises. Events that could cause need for evacuation of the planet would include, for instance, a flipping of the axis, or possibly a different human-made calamity such as a nuclear war (but not under all circumstances, severity is an issue with the Nukes). (They also claim to have rescued the Challenger crew and many soldiers on both sides in the Persian Gulf war.) Evacuation is not necessarily permanent. They are also here to make sure we don't blow up our planet with all our nuclear bombs and beam weapons. They are allowed to interfere if it comes to that. The destruction of this planet would destabilize the local cosmos, and that would affect them, whereas our conventional warfare is our own private business. Why don't they just show up? People have written to the publishers asking why the aliens don't just show up on the 50-yard line at the Super Bowl and announce their presence. (In fact John Burke recently posed this very question in this newsletter.) Hatonn claims that making such an appearance would start a nuclear war. Now is a time where a lot of factions (from countries to bankers) of the Global 2000 people are battling for power positions. The truth of the alien presence would prove false a lot of other apparent truths so the invisible powers would have to make themselves more visible. There is still time for the American people to regain control of our government so the aliens don't want to speed up the timetable. There are also, Hatonn says, many plans in the works and working to blame aliens for all sorts of dastardly things of which the most familiar would be cattle mutilations. Plans also include the possibility of destroying a city and its inhabitants and blaming aliens. This is all to make people fear aliens. It is clear that many people fear aliens. So in short, they are here to educate, pick up their 'friends' and anyone else who wishes to be evacuated (temporarily or permanently), prevent destruction of the planet, and to help those who ask. They do not 'show up' now because it is not "time" yet, and it wouldn't be helpful. Let me say again, these are not my opinions, but are taken from the Phoenix Journals. It is up to you to decide if you think the reasons given are valid, and therefore support the thesis. I offer it only for your information (and a good laugh, as I'm sure some will say). I cannot 'scientifically' "prove" any of of this, nor can anyone prove it is not true. It's up to you to decide what it means to you. --------------------------------- ? If they really are in ? contact with those out there, then why do we still have social ? problems? Why can't we cure cancer and AIDS? The answers are ? simple. If the 'space brothers' are real, and their intentions ? were good, we would see drastic social changes, but we don't. We ? would see a movement to be indoctrinated into the galactic society, ? but we aren't. There is no progress being made at all. Why would contact with aliens change these things? These are our problems; why would you have someone else clean them up? If you clean up someone's mess all the time, he/she never learns responsibility and never feels the repercussions of his/her negative actions. More importantly, you cannot fix a problem until you know the cause(s). These Journals explain the root causes of problems. They don't blame one group for everything; they recognize that it is the greed and power lust of people that cause most of the problems. The aliens are not allowed to interfere directly. However, they can tell us what is *REALLY* wrong, and then we can more ably fix those problems ourselves if we choose to do so. If, as you say, there is no visible progress, then who is to blame? How much does each one of you reading this do every day to make this a better planet? I know I don't do enough. Maybe after we straighten out our own world, we will be welcomed into this 'galactic society' of which you spoke. Enough of aliens. ---------------------- ? On another note, do psychics really have the answers? If so, then ? why didn't they channel the dead president that they thought was ? poisoned so we could get the real scoop? I really think this is unfair. Some people really expect too much from 'psychics' and "channelors." Don't forget that they are still human beings, capable of mistakes and misinterpretations--the same as a scientist using the scientific method is capable of such human errors. No, they don't have all the answers. Should they? I wouldn't claim that every psychic or every channelor is valid any more than someone would claim that every UFO sighting is a hoax. There will always be disreputable people out to make money, but that should not invalidate the honest psychics and channelors. There have been significant contributions made by people such as Edgar Cayce. -------------------------- ? After reading your message, I have come to the conclusion ? that there is just no common ground between our viewpoints. ? I suggest that we agree to disagree. That's cool with me. We'll just keep trying to educate each other. I can only speak from my end; I have learned a great deal from you Mike, and from ParaNet. -------------------------- Finally, for many of the things I have talked about in this post such as evacuations and cosmic brothers, I haven't made up my mind as to their meaning for me, personally. I talked to a skeptical friend about aliens and such, and his response was that, 'If you look at anything long enough, you can come up with all sorts of theories to explain it.' His measure of any theory would be it's usefulness to him. He found my 'theories' to not be of any use to him so I stopped talking to him about them. The most powerful force in my life is me. Aliens or not, I have a life to live and things to accomplish. If I have a chance to be 'evacuated' when things get really bad, I'll decide about that when the time comes. What I found from the Journals to be of the most use to me is the idea that things are not what they seem. With all the research I have done this past year or so, I am better informed on US History, current events, and political machinations. I am also better informed on UFOlogy through ParaNet and my own reading. This is good. I know that our society and political structure is not as it was designed by our founding fathers, and I feel that we would be better off if we returned to their design for government. That is my opinion, based on the facts. This is what has made the Phoenix Journals useful to me. Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bamboo.cax.tek.com!doughe Subject: John Foster Incident(s) ------------------------------- Date: 1 Aug 91 21:52:56 GMT From: Doug Helbling I taped an hour long show on local public access TV this weekend from PUFOG, the Portland UFO Group (Portland, OR), which featured a presentation by John Foster. John reported himself to have been involved in hundreds (I believe I heard the number 3,000?) of encounters over the span of his life, many or most of these taking place in Illinois. He drew several parallels between his own case and other more publicly known cases. He had no photo evidence, but quite a few similarities to Gulf Breeze craft and 'entity' reports were apparent in the drawings that he displayed. Has anyone heard of this person? Any knowledge of his case? Apologies in advance if this is an echo, but my local paranet archive showed no reference to it. 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