Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 460 Monday, August 19th 1991 Today's Topics: UFO Dictionary UFO Dictionary UFO Dictionary UFO Dictionary UFO Dictionary UFO Info Net UFO Info Net UFO Dictionary UFO Dictionary Communion UFO Dictionary Communion UFO Dictionary UFO Info Net UFO Dictionary Re: Alien Liaison Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-) Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III NOTICE OF UPCOMING EVENT Re: NEW PLANET CROP CIRCLES Cattle Mutilations Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS Gulf Breeze News Re: **** Warning ***** ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 19 Jun 91 08:10:00 GMT Hi Bob, >apparent then, was that there were a group of files that seemed >to refer to commentaries or rebuttals of material that was not >there, but could be related to Cooper, Lear, Moore and Friedman. Yeah I noticed a lot of files that refered to previous Paranet files that weren't on the BBS. And many implying that previous information was untrue. >it just seems that this particular puzzle is becoming clearer. >Its more fun than reading detective stories! It's good when things seem to come together isn't it! A pity we can't read the last chapter first to find out 'who done it'. RE: KWIC >This is an effective method, particularly where the material >consists of text files. Also you can make a shorter database >just out of a string consisting of the Title, Author, and date. Make it a bit easier to find what your looking for that's for sure. Just out of interest has anyone tried using (have experience in) an expert system, this might be a useful tool for research. cya Graham. -- Graham Pyne - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Vigo@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Vigo) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 21 Jun 91 09:15:00 GMT > I was thinking more of an introduction for new users, you > know sort of get them interested in the subject. Instead of > them becoming bewildered by our messages and the files > stating people, places, terms and events that they know > nothing about. They could reference the "dictionary" and have > a better understanding of what we are talking about. Which in > consequence could also be used by us as a reference, etc... well it sounds like a good idea.. but if it's zoist exclusive, at least at first, you may as well automate it to keep it as up to date as possible.. there's an external bbs door (don't know many details) which lets you set up a hypercard like environment, ie an expert system which can be consulted actively (like an encyclopaedia), passively (by producing computer collated reports of the extent of the information it has been given [in the form of paragraphs, articles, etc]), or interactively as a true(sortof) expert system (much like a realy good relational database).. the advantages are that it's easily updateable, thus allways current (information is modular and thus automaticly linked via specified keywords to the rest of the information-base), it's automatic, and thus quick(so users can look up explainations of buzzwords etc when they notice them in a piece of mail, and can then go on to ask for cross references should they need more information), and that the information can be distributed to other bbs's or offline users via a downloadable/printed copy of it's automaticly alphabetized and indexed "infiormation dumps".. ok so i'm not that much into the software that i know where to get this or how much hasstle it's going to be, but i do kno that i've heard of a system like this running as a door on an IBM pc based bbs.. it's an idea!! yours truly, paul vigo.. -- Paul Vigo - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Vigo@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 23 Jun 91 07:33:00 GMT Hello Paul, Thanks for your comments on the UFO dictionary idea. It sounds like a very good idea. Would you have any more information on this door, where I could find a copy, which BBS it was on, etc... Of course we'll need to test it, before even suggesting the idea to Bob (sysop). Thanks again, I'll try and track this down myself but any information that may help would be welcome! cya Graham. -- Graham Pyne - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin.Gregson@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Gavin Gregson) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 25 Jun 91 00:17:00 GMT Yo! > CE3 - is visual contact. > CE4 - is physical contact.(abduction, etc...) I've had a close encounter of the twenty-second kind, that's when an alien spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've never met a nice South African" by Spitting Image. > I doubt that, I still feel most people don't want to hear > about this sort of stuff! Some people when you strike up this > sort of converstion, try to change the subject. Strange isn't it? >:-[ Sounds good to me! Me too... Cya! -- Gavin Gregson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gavin.Gregson@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 25 Jun 91 10:03:00 GMT > Yo! > I've had a close encounter of the twenty-second kind, that's > when an alien spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've > never met a nice South African" by Spitting Image. Is this supposed to be funny!? > > I doubt that, I still feel most people don't want to hear > > about this sort of stuff! Some people when you strike up this > > sort of converstion, try to change the subject. > Strange isn't it? >:-[ ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP > Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB Hi Bob, The frequency you have given in on the CB Band not the ham bands. I have no news of this. There was a Ham group in NSW ran by Sam Voron VK2BVS. I wrote to Sam and received a reply but it did not say anything about the UFO group so I was left without an answer. There is some interest at putting UFO related material on the packet BBS' but the regulations make it that we cannot have a gateway. I will answer your other question in the ham area. Regards, Bob...... -- Bob Fletcher - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bob.Fletcher@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gavin.Gregson@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Gavin Gregson) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 28 Jun 91 20:13:00 GMT Hi there! > > when an alien spaceship dissapears up your... - from "I've > > never met a nice South African" by Spitting Image. > Is this supposed to be funny!? It is if you know the song... > I think it's more that they don't want to hear about > something they don't want to believe! Paranoia is more for > the people who believe! Funny, isn't? Society is totally conditioned into assuming instantly that ANYTHING to do with UFO's is to be disregarded. You realise that even if you saw one first hand the chances are that your own family would not believe you? Weird... Whoever thought up this big scam should be promoted, 99% of the population wouldn't believe one existed even if one landed in front of them. Oh well, c'est la vie. Cya round! -- Gavin Gregson - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gavin.Gregson@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 29 Jun 91 14:24:00 GMT > Hi there! > Funny, isn't? Society is totally conditioned into assuming > instantly that ANYTHING to do with UFO's is to be > disregarded. You realise that even if you saw one first hand > the chances are that your own family would not believe you? > Weird... Whoever thought up this big scam should be promoted, > 99% of the population wouldn't believe one existed even if > one landed in front of them. Unbelievable as it maybe, this seems to be the case! Incredible isn't it, your own family probably wont believe you! Which reminds me I just finished watching a preview of Communion on Video. Yes, it is the movie of the book by Whitley Streiber. Boy did they stuff it up or what, the movie is so Weird! It's so much stranger than the book it's unbelievable, everyone is going to treat the UFO phenomena with even less respect after watching this movie! Talk again later, cya, Graham. -- Graham Pyne - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brad.Foenander@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brad Foenander) Subject: Communion Date: 1 Jul 91 03:56:00 GMT > Well if Bob doesn't mind me advertising on his BBS! I work at > Hartnett Video, which is in Hartnett Drive, Seaford. It's > just of Seaford Road. If you live too far away to get there, > then I can't help you. Except to say you my try asking at > your local Video Shops. hmmm!.. seaford is just a little bit too far away. I live in the waverley area, so its at least a 40 minute drive (If I had a car and a license!) I'll have to check out a couple of the local ones to see if I have any luck at finding them.. Thanks again for the info! > Ya I've got a couple of exams coming up soon too, real nasty > ones by the looks of things. :-( well mine are finally over.. now its party time! Brad -- Brad Foenander - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Brad.Foenander@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Vigo@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Vigo) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 1 Jul 91 09:14:00 GMT don't kno much more info no the door hypertext program.. but ask around.. perhaps you could even run a simple system based on some of the simpler programs available in the public domain.. but who knows.. sorry i don't have more info... y t p v -- Paul Vigo - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Vigo@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne) Subject: Communion Date: 1 Jul 91 10:27:00 GMT Hello Brad, > hmmm!.. seaford is just a little bit too far away. I live in > the waverley area, so its at least a 40 minute drive (If I > had a car and a license!) > > I'll have to check out a couple of the local ones to see if I > have any luck at finding them.. Thanks again for the info! Sounds like that would be your best option! GoodLuck, and if you can't find it anywhere else maybe we could organize something, do that you can have a look see. RE: Exams > well mine are finally over.. now its party time! Lucky person, I've still got two too go! cya, Graham. -- Graham Pyne - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Graham Pyne) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 1 Jul 91 10:29:00 GMT Hello Paul, RE: Hypertext Door. That's O.K. I'll see what I can find out. Thanks for the suggestion anyway. cya Graham. -- Graham Pyne - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Graham.Pyne@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob.Laidlaw@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Laidlaw) Subject: UFO Info Net Date: 1 Jul 91 16:55:00 GMT > > ALFA RADIO INTERNATIONAL DX GROUP > > Frequency: 27.525 USB & LSB > > Hi Bob, > The frequency you have given in on the CB Band not > the ham bands. I have no news of this. There was a Ham > group in NSW ran by Sam Voron VK2BVS. I wrote to Sam and Thanks Bob, I thought it was too high a frequency for Ham radio. It would be borderline high for an International net, I think, probably only work in less usual ionospheric propagation conditions. I'll get back to this guy with your info. regards, Bob -- Bob Laidlaw - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bob.Laidlaw@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Robert.Cooke@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Robert Cooke) Subject: UFO Dictionary Date: 30 Jun 91 04:54:00 GMT Why don't they show spitting image in Australia??? Its one of the best shows around. -+- # Origin: Science Associates, Perth WA. (9:1037/0) @PATH: 1030/0 1030/8 -- Robert Cooke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Robert.Cooke@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Alien Liaison Date: 18 Aug 91 17:41:00 GMT Linda, I saw your message about the MUFON journal which checked up on Bob Oechsler...you mentioned they'd looked into his claims of employment and other things. Can you say more? Did he turn out to be credible or questionable after the investigation? (BTW, what's the journal's address/cost?) Thanks! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-) Date: 19 Aug 91 05:17:00 GMT In a message to Don Allen <08-17-91 19:07> Linda Bird wrote: ->I'm quite sure I have that film (UFO's are Real) myself -- ->starts out with some sort of object flying across a ->desert-scape at very high speeds. It's worth another That's the one. A very impressive effort, until they started talking about Billy Meier.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III Date: 19 Aug 91 05:20:00 GMT Hi, Peggy... I don't have his current address, but I do have a file on tap here at Zeta-Reticuli that purports to be "the definitive word on Alternative III." How shall I transport it to you? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: NOTICE OF UPCOMING EVENT Date: 19 Aug 91 05:27:00 GMT Event: NATIONAL NEW AGE AND ALIEN AGENDA CONFERENCE Place: Airport Holiday Inn, Phoenix, AZ Dates: September 6-9 Price: General Pass: $115 ( for some better information. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Faeder@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder) Subject: Cattle Mutilations Date: 17 Aug 91 06:23:56 GMT > "We don't know the cause of death > of the animals. That's still under > investigation," Solano said. The cause of death is something I hadn't thought about. After all, draining of blood and removal of vital organs would do it. But these "perpetrators" must have some way of neutralizing or killing the animal before mutilation. Has anyone found gunshot wounds, presence of chemicals/drugs on *any* mutilated animal? -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: GULF BREEZE NEWS Date: 16 Aug 91 07:41:02 GMT > So is there any reasonable evidence that what people are seeing > is a distress flare in the latest red light events? Or is there > something more unexplained than great imagination and hoaxers? The investigator told me that in one instance, bits of flaming stuff (whatever's in flares) fell on cars, and he mentioned that a few other incidents were found to be probably flares. He also mentioned that a guy with a lighted kite was caught. But, lest anyone get the wrong idea, he was saying that *some* of the redlight sightings were flares; a minority, not all. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Gulf Breeze News Date: 16 Aug 91 07:50:03 GMT > Thanks for the update. I would be curious to know how they > determine which are the results of red-light flares and the real > sightings? See my reply to Pete Porro for part of it. It appears that in the case of parachute flares, they drift with the wind, descend, and eventually just plain go out. In the case of "real" redlights, they appear to have certain different characteristics. They have been seen to hold still, not drifting or descending, and have been seen to move upwind. Another characteristic is that there's a steady red light, then a bright white flash, then darkness. I suspect, although I can't confirm it, that the "real" redlights are at a much greater altitude than flares could be fired from the ground. Of course a flare could be dropped from an airplane, but the airplane would most likely be seen and heard. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: **** Warning ***** Date: 16 Aug 91 07:54:04 GMT > I just had to reply to your message about the brain. On last > week's episode of "Prime Time Pets," there was a story about a > dog who could sense when his owner was about to have an > epileptic seizure. What's more, this situation apparently isn't > unique! Maybe the epileptics move or behave in certain ways that the dogs have learned is followed by a seizure. Dogs commonly anticipate their owner's commands. My dog usually does. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************