Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 463 Friday, August 23rd 1991 Today's Topics: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III Hypogeum Leslie Watkins/Alternative III Putting the record straight about Crop Circles Ball Lighting & Crop Circles Utah Buried Object Barker collection opening for limited access Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs? Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue ussr CROP CIRCLES Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-) Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-) Soviet tidbit ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kent.Raynor@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Kent Raynor) Subject: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III Date: 19 Aug 91 07:46:00 GMT * In a message originally to All, Peggy Noonan said: > Does anyone know where I can get in touch with Leslie > Watkins, the author of *Alterantive III*, the book that > explains what's been happening to all the disappearing > British scientists? One source tells me that the book is Hello There... correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't 'Alternative III" the book that was based on the Tv special of the same name several years ago; it was supposed to detail the disappearance of various scientists as these scientists were being "instructed" to terraform Mars as a prelude to leaving Earth (since Earth was beyond "repair"). Is this the same 'Alternative III' as the one you're referring to? If so, I think you should be aware of two interesting facts about this program : Firstly, the show went to air in Britain and Australia on the 1st of April. It would be most coincidental if this were to happen unplanned. Secondly, several of the people in the "expose" were reasonably well known actors - one of the people who was intimately involved in the goings on was an American actor named Shane Rimmer, best known as one of the main voices for the "Thunderbirds" puppet series. Of course, this may be an entirely different "Alternative III" from the one you were inquiring about, so I'll just say "Hello" and sorry to take up your time... [KR] -- Kent Raynor - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kent.Raynor@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Galea@f10.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Galea) Subject: Hypogeum Date: 20 Aug 91 00:17:00 GMT > In regards to > the Hypogeum in Malta there is an article in the NEXUS > magazine(LATEST) . Its worth getting a copy from the newsagent > or even better sub to them. The editor (Duncan Roads) is a > participant on the BB. If you cant get a copy, I,ll write a > brief on it.........paul Yes I saw this article also. My father has spent a lot of his childhood in the tunnels, they seem to go on forever. -- David Galea - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Galea@f10.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bob.Laidlaw@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bob Laidlaw) Subject: Leslie Watkins/Alternative III Date: 21 Aug 91 21:05:00 GMT > Watkins, the author of *Alterantive III*, the book that > explains what's been happening to all the disappearing > British scientists? One source tells me that the book is > extrememly hard to find now and that Watkins was booked for a Yes, this book is very hard to find. However I have a copy, and it is very interesting reading, whether true or not it is great fiction or "faction". One of my contacts (and if reading this, that contact is more than welcome to butt in), says he has contacted the author who said that (and I hope I quote accurately fro memory): - the book was "faction" (i.e. based on a mix of rumours, facts, and conjecture.) > guest spot on 21st Century Radio with Bob Oechsler but at the > last minute had to cancel due to illness. Question if there > are some odd circumstances involved in the last minute > cancellation. Watkins is supposed to be living in New > Zealand now and may be teaching Journalism at a college > there. His story sounds extremely interesting and I'd like > to discuss it with him re an Omni magazine article. > Anyone have any leads or background info on this? > Thanks! > --- > * Origin: ParaNet(sm) Information Service - [303]431-8797 > (9:9/0.0) - but the book resulted in a large volume of mail that in toto said that the mix of rumours and conjecture was to some extent based on fact. - the mail disappeared when the author was making a move from one country to another - unfortunate, as it was possibly going to be used for a sequel to the original book. regards, Bob -- Bob Laidlaw - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bob.Laidlaw@f0.n1030.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob Subject: Putting the record straight about Crop Circles Date: 21 Aug 91 19:12:01 GMT From: Robert Trevelyan Crop Circles In the last year crop circles have indeed increased in complexity and size. This phenomenon has been recorded at least 13 years to my knowledge but is by no means a new phenomenon. In around 1985 plain circles were seen and were common place in Winchester and Wiltshire.These basically progressed to ringed circles and then circles smaller 'satelite' circles. Progression was next to take place by including both circles, rings and paths. In 1990, the height of crop circle season saw not only the 'usual' circles and rings but right when public interest was stirring included boxes. These were about the size of a large car and the corn in these was combed in one direction. This formation included circles, paths and detached boxes and was not way a hoax as it is totally precise and symetric. This formation could not be hoaxed as it was very large and would be impossible to create the boxes without creating entry paths to them. In 1990 the largest of all crop circle formations appeared in a field in Alton Barnes, this was about one eigth of a mile in length. It appeared the night that dogs started barking in the local village and the next morning car batteries were flat. This formation has 'claws' or "fingers" in it .(check out the similarity between this and the ground markings at Nazca, Peru.) The Army in the UK have tried to produce crop circles and can from a distance produce a pretty convincing circle but up close anyone could see the differences as 'real' crop circles have layed down crop which is not broken but swept. Also in 1990 triangles were seen, circular swept corn in the shape of a triangle in addition to various path and rings, arcs etc. If a crop circle has been created on a hill this crop circle from the ground is eliptical not circlular, but from the air is totally circular as one would imagine. This gives the impression that it was created from above. Reasons Crop Circles are not Hoaxes It has been tried. The army can't produce one with planks and rope.(and we are only talking circles here) as they look damaged. You would have to enter a field in the pitch dark and create a formation, sometimes in 5ft high rape with no entry to the field as rape has no tractor tramlines. Then you would need to create a perfect formation without being seen, sometimes by busy roads, and and without damaging the crop only laying it down. Helicopters wreck the whole damn area. It ain't them. Animals don't create huge perfectly symetrical formations. Plasma Vortex - need hills and the correct weather conditions. Crop circles happen sometimes nowhere near a hill and a plasma vortex could not possibly create a box, spiralling charged wind cannot create perfectly rectangular boxes. Charged dust - (ie the Japanese theory) cannot happen in the rain. crop circles do. A analysis was done to judge the time it takes to create a crop circle. Basically if it took more than 20 seconds the crop would be 'crushed'. If it took less that 2 seconds the crop would be 'whiplashed' and therefore broken. The UFO Connection I believe there is a connection with an ariel phenomenon but not in the sense that little green men in silver disks land in a field and create these formations. As for what creates these patterns I wonder if we will ever find out. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | DISCLAIMER: | | The views expressed in this document are not a corporate view | | nor reflect the views of my employer by any means but are my | | own personal views on this subject . | | | | Robert Trevelyan UKnet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk | | AIX Communications VNET: TREVELR at BASVM2 | | Voice: +44-(0)256-56144 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Ball Lighting & Crop Circles Date: 22 Aug 91 03:52:00 GMT Hi, Joe Thanks for posting that article re: crop circles and ball lightning. Very enlightening. I feel confident that good scientific method will eventually prove the circle phenomenon to be caused by some type of naturally occurring electromagnetic incident, of which the plasma vortex is a prime candidate. In regards to your ball lightning experiences, a rather interesting case was reported last year at the 1990 Ball Lightning Conference, held in Budapest. The incident took place on May 25, 1989, in a field by the roadside near Kerecseud, a village 65 miles from Budapest. The victim was a 27 year old engineer WITHIN WHOSE BODY, it is conjectured, ball lightning formed. The man had stopped his car and walked to the edge of a field about 30 feet distant to urinate. Suddenly, his wife, who had remained behind in the car, saw that her husband was surrounded by a blue light. He opened his arms wide and fell to the ground. His wife ran to him, noticing that one of his tennis shoed had been torn off. Amazingly, his wife was able to stop a passing bus that was filled with medical doctors returning from a meeting. Unhappily, they immediately pronounced the man dead. At the autopsy, a hole was found in the man's heel where the shoe had been. The lungs were torn and damaged, and the stomach and belly were carbonized! This is indicative of internal combustion, just as the blue light is suggestive of atmospheric electricity, while the damaged heel and shoe are denotative of electrical grounding. No other effects of local atmospheric electricity were noticed. The sky was overcast and conditions possibly suitable for a thunderstorm. The couple had earlier passed through a thunderstorm when 35 miles away, but at the site of the tragedy it was dry and rainless. Do you feel this incident may help to explain the case of so called "human spontaneous combustion"? BTW Joe, I still have not heard from Robert Nathan re: your excellent idea of an accessible computerized UFO photographic database. Any luck with Bruce Maccabee? Keep me informed and I will do likewise. Thanks again and best of luck, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Utah Buried Object Date: 1 May 91 11:04:00 GMT + Originally from the KeelyNet BBS + Cross-posted by Clark Matthews Message 616 DATE/TIME: 08/18/91 09:32 >From : JERRY DECKER (SYSOP) To : ALL Subject: Mysterious Object Folder : A, "Public Mail" Hello everyone. We have just heard about an object found approximately 640 feet under the earth while excavating for room to store radioactive waste. The object is from 25 to 40 feet in height and there are apparently 9 of them in a row on a north-south line. There are photos of it which I have yet to see, but OMNI and several other news services are doing their damndest to get the photos and/or more info. The site is around Ogden, UTAH, so if anyone there knows about such an excavation, please give us the details. The Ogden newspaper has not knowledge of such activity or such a discovery. When we get the photos, we will digitize them for those interested. I'll probably get in trouble for mentioning even this little bit of data but we would really like info if you know anything. The object has gears and appears to be a machine or a part of one. One guy says it looked like a gimbal to him though I have yet to see it to confirm. The story and photos comes from a scientist working with the Super-Collider through a mutual friend. That scientist was flown out to the site to see what he thought the thing was. It is made of an unknown metal or alloy and cannot be welded or cut. We question how they could take such an enormouse object from 640 feet down to the surface since it must weigh many tons. There is speculation that since it is such an unknown metal, it might be lightweight like some of the fragments from crashed UFOs are supposed to be. Guess I'm in hot water now but you guys might furnish more detailed info....I will try to get the pictures so everyone can see it.....Jerry =============================================================================== -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Shaffer@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Shaffer) Subject: Barker collection opening for limited access Date: 22 Aug 91 08:07:00 GMT I found this on Compuserve and certainly thought it was worth posting here: #: 152530 S10/Paranormal Issues 18-Aug-91 22:51:58 Sb: Barker Collection Fm: David Abruzzino 73210,1271 To: all The "Gray Barker UFO Collection" of flying saucer books,magazines,newspapers and correespondences will open Sept. 14 at the Clarksburg-Harrison Public Library in Clarksburg WV. Those wishing to see the limited access collection should contact Ruth Yeager at 304-624-6512 (Do not respond to the message's composer). Barker, who died in 1984 left a collection of 300 bools, 75 oh journals, and 30 filing drawers of related material. Barker began his UFO research in the 1950's by investigating the Flatwoods Monster sighting in Braxton Co. WV and gained further attention with his investigation of the collapse of the Silver Brige in Point Pleasent WV in 1970 and its related "Mothman" sightings. Barker's files also include information on , The Philadelphia Experiment, MJ-12, the Hanger-18 case as well as Project Bue Book./exit -- Jim Shaffer - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Shaffer@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Alternative hypothesis for UFOs? Date: 22 Aug 91 10:48:00 GMT MS>Sure: The Holographic Paradigm and other paradoxes, edited by Ken Wilber, MS>New Science Library, 1982. lc: 82-50277. Dist by Random House, isbn: MS>0-394-71237-4 (pb). You are a gentleman & a scholar! (And there aren't many of us left... :-) Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!miked Subject: Re: The Atlantic Monthly - August Issue Date: 22 Aug 91 15:40:30 GMT From: Mike Dobbs Linda, I'll be glad to send you a copy of the article. Can you email me your snail mail address? -------- Mike Dobbs / Internet: miked@vcd.hp.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: ussr Date: 20 Aug 91 08:07:00 GMT > I just read in the Paranet/Hynek Ratings on UFO cases. I > noticed that the Voronezh, USSR sighting was recently upgraded. Antonio Huneeus had a bit about it in last years MUFON Symposium Proceedings. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: CROP CIRCLES Date: 20 Aug 91 08:43:01 GMT PP> I'm still very suspicious about the crop circles validity. PP> In aprox. the last year they have gone from swirls and PP> circles to pictographs. The lab that says there is PP> crystaline change, is some fringe nutritional group. The Yes, they have undergone a drastic change..what were once just "common" circles have now developed into complex patterns. I am a bit gun-shy myself of coming right out and saying that UFO's are creating the circles. I haven't seen any _hard_ evidence of this. We hear reports of UFO's in the areas where "new" circles are created..some are spotted "leaving the scene", but as far as I've been able to tell..no one yet has actually gotten photo/video proof of a circle being created by a UFO "in the act".. As far as the "lab" you mentioned..shall I laugh now or later :-) Gimme a large break (grin).. PP> Now we have almost all connected with lights and UFO's. PP> Something is very wrong. PP> If you remember Crop Circles were almost a non-topic last PP> year, and considered not UFO related. (of course for us PP> Paranet folks it still fits either way fortunatly) While PP> this is not directed at you, I see that you are more PP> current with related information. Any ideas on why things PP> are changing, or what's going on here? Sudden change of the PP> phenomenon, characteristics, results and perceptions is I've been relaying the reports that have been placed on the Internet from the UK by Robert Trevelyan. They have been fascinating to say the least. I must say that I'd have to echo your sentiments..I'm at a loss to explain it.. "damned if I know" :-) The only theory I have is that whatever "intelligence" is causing these circles/patterns must be having one helluva good time watching us trying to figure it out. I wonder how many times Meaden has had to revise his "plasma vortex" theory in the last 5 wks :-) Don -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-) Date: 22 Aug 91 02:25:00 GMT JS> ->I don't know if you've ever seen this, but if you can get ahold of JS> ->a tape called "UFO's are Real", I think you would find it most JS> ->interesting. It builds a pretty good case, in my opinion. Wendelle JS> ->Stevens,Bruce Maccabee, Stanton Friedman and many others have JS> ->segments that help explain in various ways why "all this secrecy" JS> JS> To Linda: Yes, I have the tape if you want to view it. I have the tape, and it's one of the better ones, in my opinion. I get the feeling though, that it was made like in the early 80's.. Don -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Re: Betcha you can't touch this :-) Date: 22 Aug 91 02:40:01 GMT LB> Hello to Don Allen & Jim Ser, LB> LB> I'm quite sure I have that film (UFO's are Real) myself -- LB> starts out with some sort of object flying across a LB> desert-scape at very high speeds. It's worth another LB> look-see since it's been a while. LB> LB> Thanks to you both, Anytime :-) Listen...walk over to the UFINET echo and start bugging Bill (what a curious phrase :-) about his new tape on Lazar.. I saw Bill recently and he played the tape for about 40 of us at a informal get-together. The tape is composed of *out takes* from the Knapp interview and it's pretty interesting. Frankly, I was amazed at some of the things that were in it. Some bits never made it into the televised Knapp series on Lazar that are in _this_ tape. How Bill got ahold of this tape is also fairly amusing :-) Seems that the *original* tape was in John Lear's possession. Lear had made arrangements to come over to English's house, so Bill knew in advance that the tape was going to be shown. Rather sneakily, he had a video friend rig up a video cam and had it pointed at the TV screen in an un-obtrusive location, so when Lear showed up....chuckle.. You can ask Bill for the details and costs. Don -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Soviet tidbit Date: 22 Aug 91 05:41:00 GMT A wire story in today's newspaper reported that General Maltsev, CiC of the Soviet air-defense forces, gave the command which prevented Gorbachev's aircraft from taking off for Moscow a couple of days ago. Maltsev appears to have been a conspirator, or at the least was following the orders of the Emergency Committee. The ufo connection is that in an interview with a Soviet general-interest magazine a few months ago, Maltsev candidly said that Soviet fighters had on many occasions attempted to intercept UFOs after ground-based radar contact. He said the he believed the UFOs certainly were not of this world, and that he had no idea at all what they were. I think ufology may have lost a truth-seeker in a high position, since Maltsev will almost certainly be gone very soon. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************