Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 466 Wednesday, August 28th 1991 Today's Topics: addendum to 'USAF Exotic Aircraft' Iowa Circle Update Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot Ufo Talk... Morton Downey Jr. Re: New UFO Titles! Re: New UFO Titles! Re: ALIEN LIAISON UFO Conference in Orlando Re: USAF Exotic Aircraft Re: Cattle Mutilations Re: **** Warning ***** Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS Re: New UFO Titles! UFO show UFO show Re: Epilepsy & Dogs ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: 'C.R. Harding' Subject: addendum to 'USAF Exotic Aircraft' Date: 26 Aug 91 23:14:06 GMT If you haven't already posted that last message of mine to the Paranet newsletter list, here's another quote from my skunk-works correspondent which you might like to add to it, otherwise just send this out to the list. (of course, the info-para@scicom address for the Paranet Newsletter may be an automatic gateway.) ------begin quote-------- Hey, here's another good AW&ST quote! I can't believe I missed this one! 'In addition, there is substantial evidence that another family of craft exists that relies on exotic propulsion and aerodynamic schemes not fully understood at this time' (AW&ST; 10/1/90; pg 20). ------end---------------- --- Craig H. The Net: C.R.Harding@massey.ac.nz BBS: +64 6 3551342 3/12/24 Retribution will be yours. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Iowa Circle Update Date: 26 Aug 91 21:51:00 GMT Roger has just told me that another circle was discovered in an area near the first circle in Iowa. However, upon investigation, the second circle shows signs of hoaxing. The stalks of corn were broken as if someone had taken a rope and dragged it around the circle. The first circle continues to puzzle investigators. We will be providing a full report shortly on the network. We now have two corroborating witnesses to lights flying around the skies in the immediate area of the circle. Stay tuned... Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob Subject: Crop Circles - The Ickleton Mandelbrot Date: 27 Aug 91 09:36:22 GMT From: Robert Trevelyan The Ickleton Mandelbrot ----------------------- A strange formation appeared the night of August 11/12 in a wheatfield on a hill top 10 miles south of Cambridge, England. The was reported to be a heart-shaped formation but on closer observation found it to be far more than any 'normal' crop circle. This new formation was in fact a Mandelbrot ! and was 100 yards in length. A colleague of mine visited the site and confirmed that the formation was in fact, as near as possible, a complete Mandelbrot set. The large cartoid component was about 120ft across, tangential to this was a circle of 47ft diameter and on top of this again a 16ft circle. Attached to each side of the cardoid was three smaller unequal circles, the size of each matching its partner on the opposite side of the cartoid. Tiny circles also existed and were attached to the outside of the centre ones and also on the 47ft circle. These tiny circles were as small as 16 inches and were attached to the main body and mirrored about the central axis. I have viewed a computer program that creates this Mandelbrot Set and all circles and conponents were found to be exactly placed. Presumed at first to be an elaborate hoax perpetrated by mathematic students at Cambridge University this was denied by them. Each circle was perfect and was swirled in a clockwise direction even down to a single stalk in the centre of the cartoid. Ariel photographs have been taken by my colleague but unfortunately on returning the next day he found that the farmer had driven his combine harvester straight through the formation destroying this fantastic work of art. I understand that copies of these photos are on their way to Benoit B. Mandelbrot, a research fellow at IBM Yorktown Heights, NY. who from work with fractal geometry and the mathematical study of forms having a fractional dimension has termed the Mandelbrot Set. Fractal geometry is used in the study of chaos and also in the study of growth patterns in the natural world. For those of you that like the heavy stuff on Mandelbrot here it is: From 'Scientific American' August 1985.. 'The Mandelbrot set broods in silent complexity at the centre of a vast two-dimensional sheet of numbers called the complex plane. When a certain operation is applied repeatedly to the numbers, the ones outside the set flee to infinity and the numbers inside remain to drift or dance about. Close to the boundary minutely choreographed wanderings mark the onset of instability. Here is an infinite regress of detail which astonishes us with its variety, its complexity and its strange beauty.' This fantastic and unexplainable formation was feature with a photograph in 26 August 1991 'Sunday Telegraph' and one can see from the photograph that it really is very precise. If anyone has a Mandelbrot computer graphics program I strongly suggest that you run it and view the end result because it is so similar to the Ickleton Mandelbrot its unreal. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | DISCLAIMER: | | The views expressed in this document are not a corporate view | | nor reflect the views of my employer by any means but are my | | own personal views on this subject . | | | | Robert Trevelyan UKnet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk | | AIX Communications VNET: TREVELR at BASVM2 | | Voice: +44-(0)256-56144 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Ufo Talk... Date: 26 Aug 91 23:23:00 GMT Keith; In UFO Magazine, one of our advertisers carries a very large video library. His name is Dave Aaron, and he operates the UFO Video Clearinghouse. You can reach Dave Aaron at (714)795-3361. He will send you listings, etc. on request. Tell Dave I said hello. Don Ecker -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Morton Downey Jr. Date: 26 Aug 91 23:33:00 GMT (1743) Mon 26 Aug 91 4:02p By: Don Ecker To: ALL Re: Morton Downey Jr. St: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 9:1012/3 8d0fee2d For all you Tabloid Freaks who still lurk * Out There * and have not gotten your FIX of ol' Mort *The Big Mouth* Downey Jr., Mort is coming back. How do I know? Well, it seems that his producer saw yours truly on the rerun show of Hard Copy with Marina Popovich, and want to do a UFO program for one of Mort's first to air in October. For any of you who may not know who Downey is, several years ago he had a real knock down, and drag em off program that made waves all across the U. S. because of the brash and rude behaviour of the MC and most of his guests. :-( Also, Downey was "regressed" by Dr. Jean Mundy, and *believes* that he may have been abducted. ANYWAY.............. The producer assured me that what we have now is a "NEW AND INPROVED" Morton Downey Jr. and they want me to debate Phil Klass. I jumped at the chance. If any of you live close to LA and would like to attend, call me at UFO and I will give you all the details and you can be in the audience. Let me know. More to follow. Don PS The UFO number is (818) 951-1250. -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: New UFO Titles! Date: 28 Aug 91 11:22:00 GMT PF> > Would you happen to carry a book by Jacques Vallee called PF> > MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS. It may be out of print. PF> PF>It's Friday and I can't call the distributors. But I'll PF>call Monday and let you know. Paul, if there are two copies available, I'd be interested in one as well. As far as I know it was only published in hardcover, but a paperback would be equally acceptable if there are such things... Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: New UFO Titles! Date: 27 Aug 91 21:41:00 GMT Hi Paul, Thanks for checking on "Messengers of Decption" for me; also, please let me know what year it was written. The other Vallee book I want is "Passport to Magonia." Dunno what year it came out, either. Thanks! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: ALIEN LIAISON Date: 27 Aug 91 22:03:00 GMT Hi Don, I'll be glad to tell you a abit about what MUFON wrote about Bob Oechsler; it's a long piece, and I have a copy machine here at home, and it won't cost me anything just to send you a copy of the article. Furthermore, see some of the posts I've made to Peggy Noonan since she also expressed an interest in Bob O. (I might have posted something to her on sssshh! that's a whisper.) The review was conducted by Jerold R. Johnson, MUFON Continental Coordinator for Central America. There are allegations of Bob O. mis- representing himself by a Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, former director of the National Security Agency. However most revealing, IMHO, were the claims of Oechsler as a "NASA mission specialist and project engineer". I have seen this claim in the UFO UNIVERSE Magazine as well as in the 1989 MUFON Proceedings of the symposium held in Las Vegas. (Jim Speiser told me he went to that conference and heard Bob speak and thought the guy was a phony. Perhaps Jim will comment as well....) The author of this article contacted Goddard Spaceflight Center to check on Bob's employment. He writes: "I checked with Personnel Management," says a Ms. Randy Exler in the Public Affaris Office, "and our records only go back 10 years. Robert L. Oechsler is not known in the currecnt records. He could have worked here for a contractor, in which case we would not have record of him in any case. The title 'mission specialist' is not something that is used around here; that's a title that NASA gives to an astronaut!" (This was a quote of a conversation that the article author had with a lady at Goddard.) There's more. Bob apparently ran away and joined the Ringling Bros. and Barnum & Bailey International Organization, and as Bob tells it, from eaqrly NOv. 1989 thru late Jan. 1990, worked for them in getting actual captured alien spacecraft and an "alien/ET corpse in a cryogenic tank" for use in a proposed travelling public exhibition. Don, there's another whole page dedicated to Bob's pranks and claims, and I'll be happy to mail you everthing, or anyone else out there who requests a copy. Regards, Linda Bird -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: UFO Conference in Orlando Date: 27 Aug 91 22:16:00 GMT Hi John, The UFO conference in Fla. had a poor turn-out? That's too bad. In my opinion, they should have held it sooner (school has just begun in this state); they should have chosen another location (more central for the rest of us); more advertising (altho for some reason I got a flyer); a little less expensive (can result in bigiger turn-outs). Thanks for the report! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: USAF Exotic Aircraft Date: 27 Aug 91 22:28:00 GMT Hi C.R. I'm just a humble person who know little about aviation beyond the Cessna 172. Are these aircraft you mentioned going to be used in exploration, or in military combat? Some of the remarks seem to be made with some "tongue in cheek: humor; i.e. "some of these planes are almost alien in design" or words to that effect. Keep posting! Linda Bird -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Cattle Mutilations Date: 28 Aug 91 02:27:00 GMT I'm not a hunter but if the cow was dead and you followed the procedures that I understand are used to drain blood from say a deer, you would have to hang the cow upside down and slit it's throat (jugular) to drain it. If it was still alive then I suppose you could put an IV in if you knew how but that would be fairly slow and unless you were a vet I doubt you could find a vein, not to mention poking a needle thru cowhide. As to removing the organs, I think that would also be difficult unless you knew what you were doing. I remain unconvinced that it isn't just scavenging by animals. It seems that UFO buffs try to connect anything and everything that lacks a full explaination to UFO's. Some tried to claim that most of the mysterious deaths and disappearances of people were UFO abductions. Well, we have seen the Results of one Jeffery Dahmer and how many more are out their who won't get caught?? It turns out that if you have no motive for killing someone it is very easy to get away with it. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dan.Sjolseth@f21.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Dan Sjolseth) Subject: Re: **** Warning ***** Date: 26 Aug 91 01:57:45 GMT > * Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo" > * Originally from Mike Mansfield > * Originally dated 07-05-91 23:20 > In a recent 'research study' done by UTMB > Neuropsychology Galveston on theeffects of migrane headaches > upon lifestyle, a few CURIOUS questions arose, being that my > wife was a participant, she was able to relay this > information to me. (She had recently been scheduled for a > Cat Scan to diagnose unusual migrane headaches) > The questionairres were in general, mostly generic, but > the following questions were asked that make me feel > *perhaps* something more is being studied than just > headaches... > 1) Have you ever felt you were being watched? > next question was a clincher... > 2) Do you believe in Extraterrestrial life? > I see little reason that such questions should be included > in a purely scientific study unless the medical profession > has turned 180 degrees and suddenly believes in > extraterrestrials... > (still waiting for the results of the Cat-Scan... although > I wonder if we'll get to see what was actually taken, or > not...) > --- TAGMAIL v2.41 > PATH: 104/428 9/0 > * Origin: ParaNet -- Leading UFO Research Network Not likely Mike, as the cat scan is magnetic. Dan... -- Dan Sjolseth - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Dan.Sjolseth@f21.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: CATTLE MUTILATIONS Date: 27 Aug 91 00:46:28 GMT Cattle Mute. is an interesting question. Here we have evidence of something happening and don't know why or how. Just for interest sake a bit of information. A knife made from stone (obsidian for a prime example) is sharper that the best surgical steel used in hospitals today. Good flint impliments can have thickness down to microns, along with the natural serrations. If someone is using "crude" tools, they can make better, sharper cuts than we would get in the hospital. If anyone has doubts about this information, I will supply assorted archaeological research sources. It could be part of the puzzle pieces. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Paul.Faeder@f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Paul Faeder) Subject: Re: New UFO Titles! Date: 28 Aug 91 07:58:53 GMT > Would you happen to carry a book by Jacques Vallee called > MESSENGERS OF DECEPTIONS. It may be out of print. I have a few of them coming in. They should be here on or about Friday. Paperback - $6.95 -- Paul Faeder - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Paul.Faeder@f102.n268.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: UFO show Date: 27 Aug 91 02:29:00 GMT JH> Unfortunately, the Congress is apparently a bust. About JH> 40 people showed up, and the promoters are probably going JH> to take a loss. This was due to very high initial admission JH> price, an almost-total lack of advertising, then a JH> half-price offer that no one knew about. Too bad. Considering that at first they wanted to charge $50 a *day*, and were finally persuaded to drop it to $25 because of the efforts of Jim Greenen...I'd say they were _fortunate_ to have that many people. Why is it when new people attempt something..they have to create exorbitant prices to go along with it (thinking aloud...) Too bad I missed Jorge Martin, but I'm glad I caught Wendelle and was able to see his presentation on the UFO's over Mexico, and Bill Herman case.. Don -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: UFO show Date: 27 Aug 91 04:48:00 GMT > Considering that at first they wanted to charge $50 a *day*, and > were finally persuaded to drop it to $25 because of the efforts > of Jim Greenen...I'd say they were _fortunate_ to have that many > people. Yeah, that's absolutely for sure. The almost-total lack of advertising didn't help much either. > Why is it when new people attempt something..they have to create > exorbitant prices to go along with it (thinking aloud...) Those guys were trying to raise as much money as possible for the museum, I think. They probably would have packed the house at $50 a head for the whole thing. Problem is they eventually did that but didn't tell anyone. > Too bad I missed Jorge Martin, If you see Jorge's slide show, you'll remember it _forever_. ;-) jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Epilepsy & Dogs Date: 26 Aug 91 16:27:00 GMT JH> Interesting. He sure knows the difference between coming JH>in for a bath or just hanging out. Maybe dogs can somehow JH>detect brain electrical patterns and have learned to JH>associate certain patterns with certain things. Yeah. I keep coming back to what Tesla said about "hearing" electrical (really scalar) activity. About sound, light, and EM radiation being "all the same thing". He made this statement in the early 20s and it got him branded a Grade-A looney by the scientific establishment. I wonder if accidents of birth or actual injuries can endow humans with capabilities similar to your hypothetical psychic dog. Tesla claimed that he could "hear" his EM radiation... Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,boulder}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************