Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 472 Sunday, September 8th 1991 Today's Topics: Re: Ussr Re: How Old Are The 'greys'? Missing Maidens Re: Hudson Valley Tape Hudson Valley Tape [3/3] Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 1) Re: How Old Are The 'greys'? Upcoming Shows Re: VISIT and questions forwarded mail Strange Radio Signals From Nearby Stars ??? Re: Visit And Questions Greys and Glossaries Re: Epilepsy & Dogs Re: Hudson Valley Tape Strange radio signals from nearby stars ??? Project VISIT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: Ussr Date: 3 Sep 91 21:10:00 GMT Danny Brandenburg said: > I would also like to know how articles in UFO Magazine > get there. I mean, are the articles submitted by anyone or are their > professional writers that are employed (no contracted) by UFO Magazine? > Also, what are the backgrounds of the writers (ie. scientists, fiction > writers, new agers, psychologists...)? Danny, the way stories "get there" is by submissions, writers that were contracted, people wanting to write about the UFO field and researched their topic, "names" in the UFO field, and yes Psychologists, Medical Doctors, researchers, former military personal, ministers, police officers, and I guess somewhere along the line, there may have been a baker or candle stick maker in there..... Do we do "fiction"? Nope, we do not. Hope this answered your question. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: How Old Are The 'greys'? Date: 3 Sep 91 21:13:00 GMT In a statement to Jim Speiser: > no> I have in my posession a comic book dated April, 1967 (Flying > no> Saucers, and Jim said: > That is a VERY important find, Chris. I don't know of anything else > going back that far with a description that close. > > Of course, now Phil Klass will say that anyone who describes the Grays > thus just HAS to have read that comic book, and have it buried in their > subconscious. Ok, but do not forget that John Fuller had already written his book on the Betty and Barney Hill case. Discriptions of the greys were included. Could the drawings of the greys been taken from that? Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Missing Maidens Date: 5 Sep 91 19:20:00 GMT To All; The UFO phenomenon is so vast that someone researching this mystery can become lost in the huge amount of data that surfaces. Various newspapers carry strange stories from time to time, but as a rule I have never found them to print the stranger aspects of the UFO enigma, with exceptions now and again, ie. the animal mutes. However that is not always true. The following item was given to me by former Capt. Guy Kirkwood U.S.A.F. Kirkwood, for those of you who do not know him, was part of a U.S.A.F. squadron in the mid 1950's that was a part of three missions to intercept and photograph airborne flights of "saucers" over Utah and Idaho. The news article (actually a letter to a friend of Kirkwood's) ran in the San Diego Reader on June 6, 1991. The letter was sent by The Honorable Dick Carlson, the United States Ambassador to the Seychelles, to his and Kirkwood's friend, Mr. Bud Ertle, a businessman in San Diego. Beginning with some homey type items, the letter ends up posing some very strange occurrences that might - just might point up what has been happening in other parts of the globe in reference to UFOs, abductions, mutilations, and missing persons. Last but not least, this is F or Y our I nformation. by Don Ecker ***************************************************************** >From the files of UFO Magazine >From The San Diego Reader June 6, 1991 Reprinted to the ParaNet Information Service This may be copied providing this heading remains intact. All Rights Reserved From: The Honorable Dick Carlson United States Ambassador to the Seychelles United States Embassy Mahe, Seychelle Islands Wednesday Dear Bud, Patty and I have been giggling our fannies off over the videotapes you sent us. You are quite right that Hedgecock's face looks like the surface of the moon. I remember how back in '84 he always airbrushed his face on the campaign literature and used pictures of me looking like the fat dork who comes to clean the septic tank. I give this Ross-Hedgecock Report six months. After that he'll be lucky if he can do intros for the 11:00 news. The Ross lady's a peach though. Looking at ol' Pockmarks reminds me of when I was at KGO-TV in Frisco in the 60's. We had a weatherman with a raspberry birthmark the shape of a pineapple covering one side of his face. At KGO this was OK because he always kept that side to the weather map. Then when a station in Dago decided to take him on as an anchorman, he tried covering up the mark with this special makeup, but it melted under the video lights and that was the end of this guy's career. Last I heard he was selling Volvos in National City. You ask if things are getting lonely out here in the Seychelles. Not on your life. Just the other day we got a communique from State that our Vice President, Danny Quayle, would be seeing us soon when he makes his goodwill tour of the Indian Ocean in early '93. If you can make the visit I'll match you up with Danny for golf. Something to tell your grandchildren. TOP SECRET/EYES ONLY DEPT: Keep this under your hat, but we're having a lot of UFO sightings in our neck of the world these days. As you know, I'm skeptical about flying saucers, but if I believed in aliens--and I don't (except maybe for that little Mexican cutie who kept house for Bill Cleator)--then I'd have to say that they seem to have chosen the Seychelles as their new landing pad. The thing is reaching crisis proportions because native maidens have been disappearing at the rate of two or three a week, and the rumor among the local people is that the girls are being whisked away by the aliens for genetic engineering experiments. (Where do they get these ideas? in my day we just supposed people were being eaten--you know, like in The Twilight Zone.) These little people in the islands are very excitable, of course, but one of the girls who disappeared was the daughter of the national spice monopoly's head honcho. Also mysteriously vanished: a hundred crates of coriander. Maybe Rod Serling was right all along. Patty and I keep our camcorder at the ready in case we spot any aliens, but there's been nothing definitive as yet. If I can sell an exclusive to CNN it'll be the biggest scoop since I broke the Renee Richards thing back in '76 when I was with KABC. Patty says to tell you to look in the Kitty Kelley book and see if either of us is in the index. We went skinny-dipping with Ron and Nancy once at Lake Havasu but maybe that's not lurid enough to write about. Patty and I send our love to Paige and the kids. Yours, (signature) Dick END OF FILE -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Rogers) Subject: Re: Hudson Valley Tape Date: 2 Sep 91 21:56:07 GMT Jim... I'd appreciate your cross posting this reply to our associate Maury in the "Science" echo, as I don't read that one... Maury, I'd like to thank you for the best humor I've read in years. Your taking of Jim to task re the Hudson Valley business is hysterical. Oh????? You were SERIOUS in you assertions? Well, perhaps there are a few items that we need to clear up. I find it fascinating that you are well enough versed in aircraft identification to identify the proported aircraft in the "genuine" tape as 152's and a 182. Especially in the face of the inability of the analysts at JPL (who are SUPPOSED to know what they are doing) to do the same. I am supposing that you have some evaluative criteria that the other "experts" have over-looked, and can therefore share with us your reasoning so we may all check our own copies of the tapes and see if we can see what you are seeing. This is called "science"... sharing the particulars of a theory and allowing one's peers to independently verify your findings. I look forward to hearing from you what I need to look for. Lights attached to a blimp? That certainly seems to be an interesting line of inquiry. How many blimps are in existance? I have no idea, personally. The only ones I personally know about are owned and operated by Goodyear. I'm sure there are others, but where would one go to book one? Could one be flown without clearances or flight plans? How many people would be "in on this"? Please explain the support for your theory. As to the ability to hear sounds, allow me to suggest that you read up a bit on acoustics and sound propagation. Any physics text will do. As a broadcast engineer, I've had occasion to become a bit more than passingly familiar with the subject... designing sound reinforcement systems and loudspeaker monitors takes a bit of knowlege of the field. You will be nothing short of fascinated to find that sound propagation depends on a NUMBER of factors, and distance is not the most important of them. Wind direction, for instance, has FAR more influence on the distribution of sound than does pure distance. I could go on, but I believe I have embarassed you enough. I'm always pleased to see good, healthy skepticism in ALL areas. That's how we "do" science. The submission of unsupported assertions advances nothing, except the opinion of those who understand the scientific method that the asserter knows nothing. Have a nice day. Doug Rogers -- Doug Rogers - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Doug.Rogers@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3] Date: 5 Sep 91 06:48:02 GMT Interesting. You do know that Phil I. tracked some ultralights to a small airstrip, right? I have a file from him here somewhere, if you want it. It's about a year or so old, but might have a bearing. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Blue Grass Crop Circle (part 1) Date: 5 Sep 91 06:49:03 GMT Note that last year's Milan, IL circle was also 46.5 feet in diameter. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: How Old Are The 'greys'? Date: 6 Sep 91 08:01:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <09-03-91 14:13> Don Ecker wrote: DE> In a statement to Jim Speiser: DE> DE> > no> I have in my posession a comic book dated April, 1967 (Flying DE> > no> Saucers, DE> DE> and Jim said: DE> DE> > That is a VERY important find, Chris. I don't know of anything DE> else DE> > going back that far with a description that close. DE> DE> Ok, but do not forget that John Fuller had already written his book DE> on the Betty and Barney Hill case. Discriptions of the greys were DE> included. Could the drawings of the greys been taken from that? Naw, don't think so...recall that the Hill's aliens were slightly different from what we're seeing these days. I think they looked more like Mr. Potato Head, at least from the movie and the drawings I've seen. (Sorry, Don, not making an Idaho joke here...) Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Upcoming Shows Date: 6 Sep 91 08:31:00 GMT I have just learned that the Thursday, Sept. 12th installment of the new talk show hosted by Ron Reagan (the President's son) will feature UFOs. The guests include Phil Klass, Stan Friedman and Jacques Vallee. Its my understanding that this is quite an excellent new program, completely on the other end of the spectrum from Geraldo & Company. Now if I could only find out where and when its playing in Phoenix.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: EBay.Sun.COM!Michael.Miller Subject: Re: VISIT and questions Date: 6 Sep 91 16:58:20 GMT From: Michael.Miller@EBay.Sun.COM (Michael Miller - Rev. Admin.) Clark, I will do my best to answer all your questions. To explain further, the info I got about VISIT was from a private conversation that took place about 10 years ago. The source of the info was a project scientist for NASA-Ames Research Center and he was working on the Pioneer-Saturn project. That seems to be the only time I heard of it. I should think if NASA has such an ambitious project that it would have become known a bit more publicly. Even if it is Top Secret. All the answers I give can only relate to the info given in the course of the conversation I remember. +>1) Is NASA *actually* conducting these sessions with abductees? Or do the +>abductees simply *believe* that they're dealing with NASA? According to the info NASA is conducting these sessions. It may be that the investigations are done elsewhere and by someone not directly associated with NASA, but it is NASA who is behind this. +>2) Is NASA working with any acknowledged abduction researchers in this work? This I don't know. +>3) Does NASA find abductees through these researchers? Or are the abductees +>contacted *independently* of any abduction researcher? (In other words, is +>NASA getting help from abduction experts, or is 'NASA' monitoring their +>phone conversations & contacting their subjects independently? I am not sure how NASA finds its subjects. +>4) How long has NASA been in the UFO-building business? Alternatively, how +>long has the 'UFO-building business' been associated with NASA? The conversation I am referring to took place in 1980. NASA isn't in the UFO building business as it is interested in new forms of motive power for space exploration. From what I understand, NASA at that time (1980) discovered that the UFO does not travel from point A to point B in the conventional sense. Their technology can create a condition from point A that matches point B and then they are at point B. In other words, they don't go from point A to point B they just tune in to point B from point A and they are there. +>5) Since NASA can't find the money to redesign the Space Station (and +>Congress won't appropriate it), where do they get the funds to pursue this +>project? Or is it just an UnFunded Opportunity? This I don't know. +>6) Who *funds* these UnFunded Opportunities, anyway? This I don't know, either. +>Have you read Blum's book Out There? He makes direct reference to NASA +>fronts for 'other' activities. No, I haven't read this book. I haven't read too much on UFO's. In regards to VISIT... I am curious about this research and why not too much is known about it. I should think if people were being hypnotized that someone involved would have said something. Maybe they don't know they are being investigated by NASA... I don't know. Which is why I posted a question about it. I am relatively new to this newsletter and since most of the postings are UFO related, I thought I would ask about this info I heard about back in 1980. I wanted to see if anyone else has come across anything. -Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: K_MACARTHUR1@UNHH.UNH.EDU Subject: forwarded mail Date: 6 Sep 91 17:48:11 GMT Fireball seen in southeast NH last night (9-5) _______________________________________________ Has anyone heard any reports of a meteor or satellite burnup on the night of 9-5-91? Last night, as me and two friends were heading north just by Durham, NH, at approximately 12:05 am (9/6 actually, then), we witnessed a HUGE trail blazing from south to north. Since I only saw it from the front window of my car going north, I can only state that the trail was at least from 90 deg. straight up to the north horizon, where I saw it disappear. I estimate that the trail was at most 20 degrees off to the east from straight overhead, parallel to our course. It was light blue in color, and varied in width as it progressed extremly fast to the horizon. Doing the basic trig, and making the assumption that the atmosphere starts burning up the meteor/whatever from a height of 65 to 100 miles, that makes the direct overhead courseline 25 to 35 miles (very roughly) east of our position over the eastern seaboard heading into/over Maine. If it was a satellite, as is my guess from its polar course, it would have to be one of the many polar orbit ones. Could be a spy sat or just a weather one (there are a few not in geosynchronous orbit to get closer looks). Anyone have any more info or other reports? Just thought it would be interesting to see how such things get reported and in what pattern/number of reports. Korac MacArthur (k_macarthur1@unhh.unh.edu) End of returned message -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Strange Radio Signals From Nearby Stars ??? Date: 7 Sep 91 04:08:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Daniel Fischer * Originally dated 09-05-91 17:53 From: p515dfi@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de (Daniel Fischer) Date: 5 Sep 91 14:38:35 GMT Organization: Max-Planck-Institut fuer Radioastronomie, Bonn Message-ID: <2324@mpirbn.mpifr-bonn.mpg.de> Newsgroups: sci.astro,rec.radio.amateur.misc,dnet.ham,alt.alien.visitors The following was contained in a text distributed by the German news agency dpa, which is known for its often incorrect science stories. Nonetheless I'd like to know what the story is behind the following remarks in a feature article on NASA's new Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence program: ] In the same way as radio signals from earth reach out for 100 light years, ] signals of this kind can also be detected from outside earth. E.g., the ] radio telescope in Arecibo on Puerto Rico has detected electromagnetic ] pulses from stars close to the solar system, that resemble our radar. ] And Soviet astronomers are marvelling since one year about the origin of ] unusual signals that they have detected from the star Atair, only 17 light ] years away in the constellation Eagle. +- p515dfi@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de --- Daniel Fischer --- p515dfi@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de -+ | Max-Planck-Institut f. Radioastronomie, Auf dem Huegel 69, W-5300 Bonn 1,FRG | +----- Enjoy the Universe - it's the only one you're likely to experience -----+ -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Visit And Questions Date: 7 Sep 91 05:01:00 GMT > From: EBay.Sun.COM!Michael.Miller > Date: 6 Sep 91 16:58:20 GMT > Message-ID: <14429@scicom.AlphaCDC.COM> > Newsgroups: info.paranet > > From: Michael.Miller@EBay.Sun.COM (Michael Miller - Rev. Admin.) Michael, I have talked to my NASA source who also recalls something about a project known as VISIT. He is checking into this further, and did say that he recalled that it was some time ago that he recalled hearing about it. It has been suspected by many that NASA is involved in this type of research, and that they have a lot more knowledge of it than anyone imagines. I have recently reviewed "Alien Liaisons," a book by Timothy Good. My first impression of this work is that it is very weak and really stretches the truth, if there is any. However, recently, there was a posting regarding a Radio One program aired in the UK concerning a person hearing on this program that NASA was sponsoring a project called "Cosmic Journey." This project was to be a public exhibition sponsored by NASA, the Department of Defense, the Pentagon, and presented by the Ringling Bros. Barnum and Bailey Circus Productions. Good was supposedly contacted by a circus representative who attempted to solicit his knowledge and experience to work on this project. Good turned the reins over to Bob Oeschler, an American UFO researcher in Maryland, who in turn, made some very interesting contacts via the Pentagon and such. He reported many disturbing things occurring in his personal life as a result of this contact, but the program never launched. Oeschler reports that he was taken on tours of some very strange facilities which featured some very interesting advanced technology, giving Oeschler the impression that our government was more deeply involved in the alien cooperation scheme than anyone imagined. Additionally, Oeschler was shown a photograph of a supposed-dead alien in a plexiglass-type coffin. Recently, this photograph was featured in a tabloid-style television news magazine (I can't recall which one) as it was shown to a UFO conference in Germany. Oeschler got the impression that this was the real McCoy, but couldn't definitively identify it as such. While the story sounds incredible, and hardly credible, one must admit that the connection to NASA is, at best, curious. I am very interested in hearing anything more you find on this interesting project VISIT. Likewise, I will post here what I am able to verify. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Greys and Glossaries Date: 7 Sep 91 05:32:52 GMT From: James Roger Black There has been some discussion lately about the use of the term 'Greys' to describe one of the alleged UFO races, and questions about how far back the concept goes. Here's some food for thought from 'A History of English in its own words' by Craig M. Carver: ELF: In Germanic mythology, an elf is a supernatural creature, small and mischievous ... Old English _aelf_ or _ylf_ is related to Old High German _alp_ (evil spirit, goblin, nightmare) and Old Norse _alfr_ (elf). In ancient times, the elves must have appeared to the Indo-Europeans as ghost-like apparitions, because _elf_, through Proto-Germanic _albiz_, is from the root *albho- (white) with reference to the whiteness of an apparition. In Old English, if one was crazy or touched one would be _ylfig_ or 'elf-possessed' ... And to have _elf-shot_ was to have a disease caused by evil spirits or elves that supposedly shot people and cattle with elf-arrows. So the 'elves' known in ancient times were actually apparitions which came in the night, attacked people and cattle, and caused insanity. Furthermore, according to the American Heritage Dictionary the 'white' denoted by the root *albho- is not pure white, because it is used to describe, among other things, the dull white of leprosy. So the 'elves' were not actually white but ... grey. Hmmmmm ... -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Re: Epilepsy & Dogs Date: 7 Sep 91 05:33:30 GMT From: James Roger Black Clark.Matthews@f4.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) writes: + Yeah. I keep coming back to what Tesla said about 'hearing' electrical + (really scalar) activity. About sound, light, and EM radiation being 'all + the same thing'. He made this statement in the early 20s and it got him + branded a Grade-A looney by the scientific establishment. + I wonder if accidents of birth or actual injuries can endow humans with + capabilities similar to your hypothetical psychic dog. Tesla claimed that + he could 'hear' his EM radiation... For a long time people have claimed they could 'hear' meteors streaking across the sky, describing the sound as a hissing or crackling 'like bacon frying'. Such claims were dismissed by orthodox science as obviously absurd, since the objects in question were much too far away (typically tens of miles or more). Turns out that, in fact, what people were hearing was not the actual sound of meteors screaming through the air but rather the electromagnetic disturbance they create, which was operating directly on the observers' nervous system. (I believe this was discussed several months ago in Science News, but I don't have the reference anymore.) If such is the case, then Tesla's claim to 'hear' EM turns out not to be so weird after all. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler) Subject: Re: Hudson Valley Tape Date: 4 Sep 91 14:31:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <09-03-91 21:59> Jim Delton wrote: JD> RE: Cockpit lights JD> to other aircraft. I don't even think a 152 has cockpit JD> lights of the type that would provide that sort of JD> illumination, I think is just has downward focussed spot JD> lights likethe reading lights in commercial aircraft. I That is exactly right. The average 152 has a red focused light that shines directly on the panel. I'm a pilot. If the notoriously bare-boned Cessna 150 series has a bright white light in the cockpit, I sure never have found it. --Michael -- Michael Schuyler - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!rblack Subject: Strange radio signals from nearby stars ??? Date: 8 Sep 91 05:31:21 GMT From: Roger Black The following article is forwarded from sci.astro on Usenet News. Daniel Fischer writes: + The following was contained in a text distributed by the German news agency + dpa, which is known for its often incorrect science stories. Nonetheless I'd + like to know what the story is behind the following remarks in a feature + article on NASA's new Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence program: + + ] In the same way as radio signals from earth reach out for 100 light years, + ] signals of this kind can also be detected from outside earth. E.g., the + ] radio telescope in Arecibo on Puerto Rico has detected electromagnetic + ] pulses from stars close to the solar system, that resemble our radar. + ] And Soviet astronomers are marvelling since one year about the origin of + ] unusual signals that they have detected from the star Atair, only 17 light + ] years away in the constellation Eagle. + + p515dfi@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de --- Daniel Fischer --- p515dfi@mpifr-bonn.mpg.de + Max-Planck-Institut f. Radioastronomie, Auf dem Huegel 69, W-5300 Bonn 1,FRG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Project VISIT Date: 8 Sep 91 22:24:00 GMT I've been seeing some speculation here over the last week or so about Project VISIT and the possibility that it may be some sort of secret NASA project to study UFO abductees. This information is not true. To find out the truth about Project VISIT one must look no further than page 14 of the 1980 MUFON Symposium Proceedings. This is what you will find: > The host group for the 11th annual MUFON UFO Symposium is > Project VISIT. VISIT is a space age type acronym that stands > for Vehicle Internal Systems investigative Team. As the name > implies, VISIT is a project type group and not a popular > membership organization like MUFON, CUFOS, APRO, or other > organizations. VISIT is a nonprofit corporation consisting of > volunteers from the Houston/Clear Lake City area having the > common goal of doing more about the UFO phenomenon. The group > was inspired by the NASA operation at the Johnson Space Center > where Projects Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Skylab anc Space > Shuttle were successfully carried out using the project type > approach. > * * * > ... VISIT membes are seeking consistent, correlative data from > close encounter and abduction cases. . . . > * * * > The primary focus of the VISIT effort is an engineering and > scientific study of the internal systems of the apparent craft > involved in UFO or flying saucer reports; with a secondary > interest in the physiology of the beings which occupy these > vehicles. This article was written by L David Kissinger and John F. Schuessler. Because VISIT is located in the Houston area and was inspired by the NASA project-type approcah, we probably are now hearing rumors to the effect that it is a NASA project. It is surely not a secret project. -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************