Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 477 Tuesday, September 17th 1991 Today's Topics: HVUFO Round 4 [4/6] HVUFO Round 4 [5/6] HVUFO Round 4 [6/6] Confirmation Dave and Doug on Hoaxes The Continuum Re: Implants Re: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii for Paranet newsletter Re: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii Crop Circles=RMN story#1 Crop Circle-RMN arte#2 2ntry:Crop Circle #1 op circle RMN #3 iv!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: HVUFO Round 4 [4/6] Date: 15 Sep 91 22:56:00 GMT Round 4 Part 4 (2774) Fri 13 Sep 91 12:08p By: Maury Markowitz To: Jim Speiser Re: UFO Tape St: Rcvd 2773<>2775 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:43e5 172d610d @MSGID: 1:250/712 28d0f08a JS> [Lights attached to a blimp? That certainly seems to be an JS> Please explain the support for your theory.] Jim sent me a letter from Lew Allen about the tape. He told me that JPL had looked at the tape and concluded that they could not be planes and were attached to a blimp. I replied that I bet that they had not had a chance to view the tape in depth, and that it was probibly an off-the -cuff remark... here are some samples, judge for yourself... "The examination has been only visual - I don't think we can apply the effort needed for a really quantitative analysis." Boy, sounds like what I predicted pretty closely. "We would guess that the lights are attached to one rigid object - a guess might be an airship (blimp) of some sort. " "A guess might be..." Need I say more? JS> knowlege of the field. You will be nothing short of fascinated to JS> find that sound propagation depends on a NUMBER of factors, and JS> distance is not the most important of them. Wind direction, for JS> instance, has FAR more influence on the distribution of sound than JS> does pure distance. I finf this no supprise at all, conidering I did most of my 3rd year physics labs in a RF/soundproof room. My statement to Jim was that it was quite obvious that the object in question was MUCH futher away (as seen by two factors, the lights are MUCH brighter on the second tape, and the seperation between them is more obvious). I have no information on the wind direction, but Jim did mention that the tape was taken on a windy day. Perhaps you would agree that the sound of the wind, combined with the effects of wind on sound "movement" could perhaps explain the masking of the sound of aircraft engines? Considering that the tape implied that this was the only difference the people noticed (at least, they said that they could hear the engines on the tape) was the sound, and I have no other information, I did not find it supprising at all that this was the case. I also gave the example of the club's 182 taking off, which was SILENT, even at full power and pitch, on a windless day (that's why I was on the ground, I hate jumping when there's no wind) at less than a mile. No, I was not at all suprised to find that they did not hear the engines. Are you? JS> I could go on, but I believe I have embarassed you enough. I'm JS> always pleased to see good, healthy skepticism in ALL areas. JS> That's how we "do" science. The submission of unsupported Thank's for your explaination on what science is. I never picked that up in my 5 years of university. Yes, that is sarcasm. And I remain completely "unembarased" by your points, they didn't say anything. cont... -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: HVUFO Round 4 [5/6] Date: 15 Sep 91 22:57:00 GMT Round 4 Part 5 (2775) Fri 13 Sep 91 12:20p By: Maury Markowitz To: Jim Speiser Re: UFO Tape St: Rcvd 2774<>2776 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:43e5 172d6296 @MSGID: 1:250/712 28d0f36c JS> Have a nice day. Well, it's sure off to a good start. I guess getting insulted one one net was not enough. JS> Interesting. You do know that Phil I. tracked some ultralights to JS> a small airstrip, right? I have a file from him here somewhere, if JS> you want it. It's about a year or so old, but might have a bearing. Really? I don't think they let ultralights fly at night up here, and they don't have lights. JS> By: Jim Speiser JS> To: John Hicks JS> Re: Hudson Valley Tape [3/3] JS> St: Local Sent JS> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JS> In a message to Jim Speiser <09-04-91 23:48> John Hicks wrote: JS> JS> JH> Interesting. You do know that Phil I. tracked some JS> ultralights to a JS> JH> small airstrip, right? I have a file from him here somewhere, JS> if you JS> JH> want it. It's about a year or so old, but might have a bearing. JS> JS> Yes, I'm aware of that. It was what convinced him that there were JS> two things going on at once: (a) an object of unknown origin, and JS> (b) some pilots goofing around. At least some of said pilots were JS> operating from Stewart Air Force Base, which was supposedly closed. JS> The pilots have certainly thrown a monkey wrench into the whole JS> deal, but the object remains unexplained. Jim, I'd like to know what makes you think that aircraft are NOT an explaination. The tape you gave me showed one "unexplained" object being explained on the other as aircraft. Do you think that the fact that no one else got close enough to tape it from where they could see it better (and hear it, of course) is enough to make me think that planes are not a good enough explaination? Sorry, not to me. JS> By: Michael Schuyler JS> To: Jim Delton JS> Re: Hudson Valley Tape JS> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- JS> In a message to Jim Speiser <09-03-91 21:59> Jim Delton wrote: JS> JS> JD> RE: Cockpit lights JS> JD> to other aircraft. I don't even think a 152 has cockpit JS> JD> lights of the type that would provide that sort of JS> JD> illumination, I think is just has downward focussed spot JS> JD> lights likethe reading lights in commercial aircraft. I JS> JS> That is exactly right. The average 152 has a red focused light that JS> shines directly on the panel. I'm a pilot. If the notoriously JS> bare-boned Cessna 150 series has a bright white light in the JS> cockpit, I sure never have found it. JS> --Michael Now HERE's some INFORMATION. Here's a guy that completely blows me away without even having to "embarase" me. This information can be DAMBING, if no other plane has white cockpit lights and a window behind the wing. cont... -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: HVUFO Round 4 [6/6] Date: 15 Sep 91 22:58:00 GMT Round 4 Part 6 (2776) Fri 13 Sep 91 12:26p By: Maury Markowitz To: Jim Speiser Re: UFO Tape St: Rcvd <2775 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ @EID:43e5 172d635d @MSGID: 1:250/712 28d0f4e2 The Beech I jump from has the former but not the latter, etc. Again, it was the pilots at the club that thought that the 152 would better match the light patter (one large one with a small one behind it), but that was with MY opinion that that's waht we were looking at. Since getting dragged into this idiocy, I've even notcied that planes turning towards you with white lights on the wings would provide a similar patter, which matched OTHER evidence in that the object slowly makes a turn towards them. Fell free to attack this as well, I don't care. So, I hope I've replied to all of you. BTW, take the "aircarft identification test tape" and please put it where the sun don't shine. Thank you. So, now I'm in a GREAT mood. Perhaps I should go drown some cats or something... One last time people, don't call me, I'll call you. And to you Jim, you just ruined what could have been a real good friendship. Maury p.s. Just an opinion, of course. -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Confirmation Date: 15 Sep 91 22:59:00 GMT Can someone from ParaNet please netmail Maury at 250/712 and testify that the preceding messages were cross-posted here from SCIENCE? Thanks.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob Subject: Dave and Doug on Hoaxes Date: 16 Sep 91 21:35:02 GMT From: Robert Trevelyan I have not been around for a week and have missed all the fun by the looks of things, In England the crop circle season is now over as just about all fields have been harvested. Recent events have brought about details of a ministerial meeting in London about a year ago when Margaret Thatcher was still PM.(though she was not present at the meeting).The purpose of the meeting was to discuss Crop Circles and three ministeries were involved in this namely Defence, Agriculture and Environment. It was agreed at this meeting that the cause of Crop Circles was completely unknown and and the meteological theory was *out of hand* and that all crop circles were *not* hoaxes although there had obviously been a fair few hoaxes. Responsibility for keeping a watch on crop circle developments was handed over to the Ministry of Defence whose brief was to take *appropriate action*. The MOD were to update the other two ministries but during this meeting the word 'disinformation' was mentioned on several occasions.The above details were passed on by someone who attended the meeting. During the last few weeks it appears as if this disinformation campaign has actually started by the arrival of Dave and Doug. There is at present no way of finding out who is behind the disinformation campaign but it is certainly being seen to happen.The newspaper 'Today' has now produced two gents in the 60's who claim to have been creating crop circles for the last 13 years.They can obviously only fool a few people with these claims as even if all crop circles were hoaxes two people of any age would not be able to create formations all over the English countryside let alone the world. The assertation by the Today newspaper, famous for quoting that the 1990 pictogram at Alton Barnes was a Sumarian warning to double your wells as there was going to be a drought,(could have been mistaken for oil wells in the Gulf that needed the warning), that this explains the crop circle phenomenon is absurd. The scam relied largely on catching one of the leading Circles experts in a trap which was carefully laid for him. This was undertaken by a informing Pat Delgado that a strange crop circle formation had appeared in a field in Sevenoaks, Kent, England, the paper said they believed it to be a hoax and that the farmer also was sure it was a hoax. They asked if Pat D would give a professional opinion. Pat Delgado agreed and travelled to Ightham near Sevenoaks and was taken to see the formation which, to his amazement, was an 'insectogram' formation closely resembling the ones in the Hampshire in June and July of this year. All the features were present of the usual 'insectogram' although imperfect but Pat D gave his unqualified blessing which was recorded on tape and he was filmed in the formation by a camera crew in a helicopter. The trap had closed in on him. The Today newspaper then waited until Sunday before bringing two alleged hoaxers, Dave and Doug to Pat Delgado's house.There they confronted him with a film taken of the two hoaxers making the formation in Kent that Pat D had said was genuine.They claimed to have been faking circles for 13 years near Winchester and so on..Pat Delgado had to then make any concessions that the Today newspaper demended of him. It is interesting to find that at a later stage of the confrontation Colin Andrews appeared and fought back by cross-questioning Doug and Dave. He soon found that they were unable to answer many questions and their minders withdrew them before their case was badly damaged. Obviously at the stage the irreparable damage had been done to Pat Delgado's reputation but nevertheless no concrete evidence had been presented that Dave and Doug had faked any other known circle or pictogram apart from the bogus one at Kent which has been conveniently removed in the meantime by harvesting. The two appeared on TV on Monday to demonstrate to the press and the TV how they create such a formation in a wheatfield in Chilgrove, Sussex.The dumb-bell formation which they produced was a pathetic mess and could be clearly seen on TV as such although the two hoaxers complained that was due to over-ripe wheat. The story in the Today Newspaper originated from a shadowy outfit called 'MBF Services' who suplied the story to Today and have doubtlessly paid Dave and Doug, also indemnifying them against all lawsuits and claims of criminal damage from Hampshire farmers. MBF Services have been tracked down to an accomodation address in Shepton Mallet near Bristol, England and are registered clients of an expensive up-market firm of accountants, Barclay Jackson. All attempts to identify the people behind MBF Services have failed and the Today will either side-step or remain silent. The firm of accountants describe their clients as a 'scientific research and development' company but obviously what or whoever is behind this front has a great deal of financial backing. Undoubtedly this is infact a well organised and long planned attempt to rubbish the crop circle phenomenon and may even turn out to be government-inspired but when the 1992 season brings its new crop then this fiasco will end. I have personally met both Dave and Doug about 2 years ago at the site of of a formation near Winchester. Dave is retired and has a hobby of recording bird songs on a portable tape machine. He told me,whilst at the side of the A272 main road that passes by Cheesefoot Head Winchester,that he had been wandering through some crop fields recording bird songs back in the 1970's when he came across a flattened swirled area of corn. A bit amazed he wandered around the formation trying to ascertain what it was and unknowingly left his tape recording. Basically when he played back the tape after he had been in the crop circle he heard voices on a tape which was a brand new tape previously, the voices were not heard whilst he was alone in the formation but nevertheless he claimed he recognised the voices as a converstion he had had 30 years previously. I am not sure how he knows this or even if I believe what he told me but it kinda shows he did not hoax crop circles back then and was very enthusiastic about the crop circle we were by at the time and could offer no explaination of how it had been created. Doug was the more genial of the two he said at the time, back in 1990, that he 'could just imagine them [UFO's] darting between two clouds', that were at the time directly over Winchester, 'and creating a crop circle' The day was very overcast and the clouds were the dark grey variety we get quite a bit in the UK but there was a bright gap between two of these. He definatley gave me the impression he was interested in UFO's and the like and said to have taken photographs of crop circles (plain circles) back as far as tha mid 70's but I never saw any of these. One thing that really struck me is that they were not very pleased with either Pat Delgado or Colin Andrews as they believe they (PD and CA) had not given Don Tuesley, one of the original crop circle researchers, any thanks for his help in the then current book 'Circular Evidence'. Dave and Doug believed that the fame had gone to both Pat Delgado's and Colin Andrews heads and that they did not give anyone else any credit for help they received. I know both Pat Delgado and Colin Andrews and totally disagree that this is the case as they go out of their way to credit any photos or information received from anyone. I have had the privilege of having a mention in their book 'Crop Circles- The latest Evidence' for finding the first pictogram, although Pat D seems to call me Bob and adds an extra L. I am not alone in being credited with information or photos as one can see in their books. Sorry to waffle a bit but my opinion is that Dave and Doug are off their trolley and I do not believe all crop circles are hoaxes by 'D+D hoaxes' or not. There is a genuine phenomenon and it is not a vortex, note that D+D never claimed to have created any formations in Wiltshire. PS. If you see a grey Nissan Sunny by the side of a field with two gents in their 60's in it thats Dave and Doug hoaxers extraordinaire. +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | DISCLAIMER: | | The views expressed in this document are not a corporate view | | nor reflect the views of my employer by any means but are my | | own personal views on this subject . | | | | Robert Trevelyan UKnet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk | | AIX Communications VNET: TREVELR at BASVM2 | | Voice: +44-(0)256-56144 | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: The Continuum Date: 16 Sep 91 00:55:00 GMT After a small delay, the premier issue of Continuum, ParaNet's official bi-monthly news magazine is ready to go to press. This is a final call for you to get a free first issue, by sending your name and mailing address via this network or email to mcorbin@scicom.alphacdc.com. Don't miss out!! It ships on Friday, September 20th. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Implants Date: 16 Sep 91 17:54:00 GMT In a message to All <09-15-91 16:22> Keith Basterfield wrote: KB> explain the x-ray in conventional terms. I later reported that a full KB> mouth x-ray had failed to detect any such "implant". That's fascinating, Keith. Is the implication here that the "implant" was recovered, or simply that the first x-ray may have been in error? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii Date: 16 Sep 91 17:58:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <09-15-91 11:24> Peggy Noonan wrote: PN> So, on AltIII, do you indeed have a file on that Leslie PN> Watkins story or did I misunderstand? And if so, probably the best I have a letter from the author in a file here. Apparently the whole thing was a work of fiction. I think the file is called ALTERN3.TXT, or something. You're welcome to download it, or I can send it to Alpha (unless its there already?) On the Ogden thing, did you see where there are now some cattle mutilations taking place in the Idaho Falls area? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: media-lab.media.mit.edu!kjohnson Subject: for Paranet newsletter Date: 17 Sep 91 13:33:05 GMT From: Keith Johnson To all UFO readers (alt.alien.visitors) and Paranet readers: Recetnly, I posted to S.R.E. newsgroup a brief synopsis of 'mantra' meditation. In other words, I chant the names of God as a daily meditation - sacrifice for spiritual benefit, my question to the net is - does anyone beieve the greys or Nordics to be 'yogis' of any sorts? Are the greys or Nordics visitors religious in any way? Do they have a concept of deity - do they chant Hare Krishna or any other sacred mantra - are they maybe devotees of Lord Shiva - who always bestows great material opulance to his devotees? Just curouius. The reason for asking is because these visitors apparently have great technology and maybe are sharing it with our government (/)(?) Perhaps they really are demons in astral/etheral bodies who can materialize or take on a gross body temporaily for their own reasons at will. Or, maybe, they are yogis who are advanced and acan actually ha help us with our problems of famine, overnment corruption, ignoramnce from the absolute truth, war and even death. I was recently talking to fellow seekers who agreed that enlightenment means 'liberation from ignorance' or ultimately - freedom from death - por or even better put - 'immortality'. Are the greys immortal?? Have they achieved what some mystics have claimed to have achieved?? Please email your responses to kjohnson@media-lab.media.mit.edu keith j. boston, ma -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Leslie Watkins/alternative Iii Date: 18 Sep 91 00:49:00 GMT >ALTERN3.TXT, or something. You're welcome to download it, or I >can send it to Alpha (unless its there already?) >On the Ogden thing, did you see where there are now some cattle >mutilations taking place in the Idaho Falls area? Hi Jim, Thanks very much for the filename. I'll check Alpha and see if it's here and if not, I'll call your BBS for the file. It helps to knoow what you're looking for! No, I didn't see about the cat.mutes. nedaho Falls! Mu --sorry, bad line noise -- mucho interesting stuff. Where could I learn more BTW, I have an old atlathat doesn't show a town with a name like Ammon on Idaho's map. Can you give me an idea where to look or have I misunderstood the nam Thanks, again, for all your help! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Crop Circles=RMN story#1 Date: 18 Sep 91 00:50:00 GMT Source: The Rocky Mountain News Date: Sunday, September 15, 1991 Page: 44, Science & Environment Title: Crop-Circle hoax claim debated (Two articles appear under that title. The second will follow in a separate item.) Subtitle: Confession of trickery fails to persuade pair from Boulder County that mystery is solved Author: Bill Scanlon, News Environmental Writer Precise, mathematical crop circles probably weren't made by a couple of guys dragging a board, either, say two Boulder County investigators who are attending the first "Cornference" in Glastonbury, England. Claims last week by two 60-year-old Englishmen that they fabricated 200 of the circles only make Tere Kristovich of Louisville more certain that the circles are an intriguing mystery. People are going to extraordinary lengths to discredit the corn circles, Kristovich said by telephone form southern England. "There seems to be an element of some kind of coverup. You don't cover up something unless you have something to cover." David Chorley and Douglas Bower last week said they created 200 of the circles over the past 12 years as an antidote to boredom and to chortle at the claims that they were made by superior intelligence. About 400 of the circles showed up this summer in souther England, 750 worldwide. They claim to have made the circles by dragging a plank over cornfields, while wearing baseball caps with wires attached to the brim. By focusing the wire on a distant objects, they could make precise geometric lines, they said. "Even if it is a hoax, it's certainly not these two turkeys," said Kristovich. "Some of the circles are geometrically perfect -- the works of geniuses. The circles are brilliant." The intriguing questions are these, say Kristovich and her partner, Kit McCray of Boulder: Why are humans enraptured by the mystery? Does it speak of a yearning for a shift of consciousness? Kristovich says she and McCray aren't pushing a particular theory but are intent on keeping the curiosity alive so it can be solved. Some of the circles are geometrically precise and mathematical. Some look like petroglyphs of Hopi Indians, who preach harmony with Earth. Hector Cruz, a chemical engineering student at Colorado School of Mines, says some of the circles are not obvious hoaxes. Those circles have an electromagnetic field that affects magnetic and videotape, he said. Crops are bent over but not broken, and the stalks are interwoven, he said. Cruz doesn't believe it's UFOs but says the Star Wars project may be making the circles with electro-magnetic pulses or lasers. Or it may have be [sic] linked to Earth's magnetic poles shifting. -30- -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Crop Circle-RMN arte#2 Date: 18 Sep 91 00:51:00 GMT Source: The Rocky Mountain News Date: Sunday, September 15, 1991 Page: 44, Science & Environment Title: Crop-Circle hoax claim debated (Two articles appear under that title. The first appeared in a separate item.) Subtitle: Former magician who investigates cornfield marks says the have all trappings of graffiti Author: Bill Scanlon The intelligent lifeforms that created the 750 cryptic crop circles worldwide most likely are farmers or their teen-age kids, who are laughing their overalls off right now, says an investigator of the phenomenon. Crop circles, like graffiti, appear at night, spread from coast to coast and have all the trappings of a social fad, says Joe Nickell,a former magician who says they have nothing to do with UFOs or swirling wind. Now that a pair of 60-year-old English farmers have admitted to creating 200 of the hoaxes, some believers say the new ones may be frauds, but the earlier ones were metaphysically created. Might as well believe that most graffiti are copycat, but the first were sprayed in the dead of night by other-worldly beings, says Nickell. Other investigators sharply disagree with Nickell, saying the number, complexity and suddenness of the circles points to mysteries in the atmosphere or beyond. The crop circles appear only in areas of the world served by modern electronic media, talk shows in particular, says Nickell. A farmer reports, "I sure didn't see any circles when I went to bed but in the morning, there they were." What planet would be so nefarious to make cornfield art only at night? Nickell asks. The circles have become increasingly complex and artistic, and those with mathematical symbols might have been done by university students, he said. "Like goldfish-swallowing, it's a process of social contagion," said Nickell, who also likened it to a joke or a graffiti slogan swiftly spreading from coast to coast. Nickell, a doctor in English at the University of Kentucky and a former private detective, has written several, books challenging claims of the paranormal. He traces the crop-circle phenomenon to the late 1970s, about the time of the movie, _Close Encounters of the Third Kind_ was released. Pranksters burned circles in the ground to show UFO landing spots or made circles in fields. In southern England, the swirling circles forged a life of their own, he said, clustering around Warminster, known as the UFO capital of the world. As for claims that the circles are formed by wind vortices: Why, say meteorologists, did nature wait till a dozen years ago to produce winds to make such circles? -- Bill Scanlon -30- -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: 2ntry:Crop Circle #1 Date: 18 Sep 91 00:52:00 GMT Source: The Rocky Mountain News Date: Sunday, September 15, 1991 Page: 44, Science & Environment Title: Crop-Circle hoax claim debated (Two articles appear under that title. The second will follow in a separate item.) Subtitle: Confession of trickery fails to persuade pair from Boulder County that mystery is solved Author: Bill Scanlon, News Environmental Writer Precise, mathematical crop circles probably weren't made by a couple of guys dragging a board, either, say two Boulder County investigators who are attending the first "Cornference" in Glastonbury, England. Claims last week by two 60-year-old Englishmen that they fabricated 200 of the circles only make Tere Kristovich of Louisville more certain that the circles are an intriguing mystery. People are going to extraordinary lengths to discredit the corn circles, Kristovich said by telephone form southern England. "There seems to be an element of some kind of coverup. You don't cover up something unless you have something to cover." David Chorley and Douglas Bower last week said they created 200 of the circles over the past 12 years as an antidote to boredom and to chortle at the claims that they were made by superior intelligence. About 400 of the circles showed up this summer in souther England, 750 worldwide. They claim to have made the circles by dragging a plank over cornfields, while wearing baseball caps with wires attached to the brim. By focusing the wire on a distant objects, they could make precise geometric lines, they said. "Even if it is a hoax, it's certainly not these two turkeys," said Kristovich. "Some of the circles are geometrically perfect -- the works of geniuses. The circles are brilliant." The intriguing questions are these, say Kristovich and her partner, Kit McCray of Boulder: Why are humans enraptured by the mystery? Does it speak of a yearning for a shift of consciousness? Kristovich says she and McCray aren't pushing a particular theory but are intent on keeping the curiosity alive so it can be solved. Some of the circles are geometrically precise and mathematical. Some look like petroglyphs of Hopi Indians, who preach harmony with Earth. Hector Cruz, a chemical engineering student at Colorado School of Mines, says some of the circles are not obvious hoaxes. Those circles have an electromagnetic field that affects magnetic and videotape, he said. Crops are bent over but not broken, and the stalks are interwoven, he said. Cruz doesn't believe it's UFOs but says the Star Wars project may be making the circles with electro-magnetic pulses or lasers. Or it may have be [sic] linked to Earth's magnetic poles shifting. -30- -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: op circle RMN #3 Date: 18 Sep 91 00:52:00 GMT Source: The Rocky Mountain News Date: Sunday, September 15, 1991 Page: 44, Science & Environment Title: Crop-Circle hoax claim debated (Two articles appear under that title. This item is a side bar accompanying those two articles.) CROP CIRCLE LECTURE Kit McCray and Tere Kristovich will show slides of crop circles and present information from their recent trip to England in a Sept. 21 lecture at Colorado School of Mines in Golden, beginning at 7 p.m. Cost is $8, $6 for students. To order tickets, call 273-3234. The pair also will speak at the Divine Science Church, East 14th Avenue and Williams Street, on Sept. 27, and at the Events Center in Boulder on Sept. 28. -30- [Note: Location is Colorado. Out of state callers use area code 303 and Mountain Time Zone.]--- -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: iv!!! Date: 18 Sep 91 00:56:00 GMT Hi Linda, Quick note despite line noise -- got the package and it's fabulous! 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