Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 480 Thursday, September 26th 1991 Today's Topics: Re: Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries 1956 UFO Documentary State of Ufololgy Re: Confirmation Re: Exasperated over HV Re: Dave And Doug's Crop Circle Hoax Image Files Kansas disappearances Implants Re: Confirmation Re: Image Files 1956 UFO Documentary Re: State of Ufololgy Re: Re : How old are the 'greys'? Re: Exasperated over HV HVUFO Round 4 [2/6] Kansas disappearances 1956 UFO Documentary Kansas disappearances UFO Events Calendar UFO Events Calendar Ogden objects Re: ogden object Re: Tesla & Hungarian ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Bentwater,Uk On Unsolved Mysteries Date: 21 Sep 91 23:48:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Jack Sinclair * Originally dated 09-20-91 17:52 From: jsinclai@descartes.waterloo.edu (Jack Sinclair) Date: 20 Sep 91 15:18:39 GMT Organization: University of Waterloo Message-ID: <1991Sep20.151839.2829@descartes.waterloo.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors In article <91262.133541SML108@psuvm.psu.edu> Scott the Great writes: >Many discrepancies... One of the biggest was something I saw presented on >HBO many years ago. Colonel Halt's tape was played and the light from the >nearby lighthouse was displayed at the same time. It was clear that his >observations of lights in the sky basically corresponded EXACTLY with the >period of the lighthouse. Weren't they also claiming that they were What is 'EXACTLY' ? >taken on board to repair the ship previously? Anyone out there remember >the full body of evidence against this case. The one debunker they had >on there was either paraphrased improperly (most likely) or just had >no personality. > > >Scott The debunker on the show shifted his eyes so fast, and so often, I kept wondering what he was trying to hide from us. All his body language said was 'do not believe me'. As for the lighthouse explanation: how could these people, having worked at this place countless times before, suddenly see a lighthouse beam as an alien device, and yet never again (except for the two other episodes)? Jack. -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cwns4.INS.CWRU.Edu!xx044 Subject: 1956 UFO Documentary Date: 22 Sep 91 21:31:23 GMT From: xx044@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (UFOlogy SIG) Next Friday, September 27, 1991 on TNT at 3:45 A.M. E.S.T. there is a documentary called 'UFO.' It was made in 1956. I seem to vaguely recall seeing this when I was a kid. I be- lieve that it dealt with the overflights of UFOs over Washington, D.C., and other assorted stuff of the time. As I recall, and I was only a kid, it was interested. So, if you got a Video recorder, this is a must from a historical perspec- tive. Looking at the T.V. guide is looks like it might run 2 hours and 15 minutes, but you can never be sure. Best, Dale B. Wedge Co-SySop Cleveland Free-net UFOlogy Sig -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: State of Ufololgy Date: 23 Sep 91 04:18:00 GMT In a message to Jim Sanders <19-Sep-91 23:11> John Powell wrote: JP> I also think that UFOlogy is about to, or is quite likely to, JP> hit the skids soon. The recent and rather widespread JP> popularization of 'aliens' and 'spaceships', which _could_ be JP> a form of preparation for some revelation, _could also_ be the JP> Big Setup. You know what I mean - all this hoopla and in the JP> end - nothing. The ultimate, (for this generation anyway), JP> discrediting of UFOlogy... Greetings to all I couldn't agree with John more...except to say that I feel we've 'hit the skids' already! Ufology has truly become a "War of the *Words*". I was just conversing with a man in Chicago, who's been involved in ufology since Roswell. He's now in his mid 70's and told me he knows little more about the phenomenon at present than he did 40 years ago. Recently, he has lost interest, and is selling off his book collection. Betty Hill is giving up lecturing at conferences because she says there are now too many 'flakes' in the field. Even she does not believe there have been as many 'abductions' as people claim. Now, every black helicopter spotted is part of the cover-up. Each new aircraft developed is touted as being a byproduct of 'alien' technology. Every television commercial involving ET's or UFO's is part of the government's 'adjustment and preparation' campaign. 'Mysterious' objects, implants, etc. are being found everywhere, but nothing definitive ever comes of these 'breakthroughs'. Our incessant hunger for more information is fed by the purveyors of trash in the UFO periodicals. 'Fringe group' conferences abound everywhere. Stanton Friedman even operates a '900' line where for $2.00/minute, you can listen to old UFO material. What a rip-off! Is that any way for a scientist to gain credibility? Everyone seems to collect books, videos, documents, and case histories - but to what end? This doesn't really bring us any closer to the truth, but it does help line the providers pockets. So, where do I think we're all headed? I guess I'll just have to 'channel' some Atlantean and find out. Regards, -= Sheldon =- -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler) Subject: Re: Confirmation Date: 21 Sep 91 17:37:00 GMT In a message to All <09-15-91 15:59> Jim Speiser wrote: JS> JS> Can someone from ParaNet please netmail Maury at 250/712 JS> and testify that the preceding messages were cross-posted JS> here from SCIENCE? Thanks.... JS> JS> Jim, Thanks for the work you did getting it all in here. I think Maury is mad at me, huh? I don't get it though. I thought we were talking about cockpit lights, then suddenly we're talking about tail lights and landing lights. Gee, I just wanted to say I'd never found a white cockpit light in the 150 I flew. Didn't mean to set him off ;-). No need for a reply. It doesn't matter. Thanks again.--Michael -- Michael Schuyler - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler) Subject: Re: Exasperated over HV Date: 21 Sep 91 19:43:00 GMT In a message to All <09-19-91 13:22> ncar!apple.com!well!gmz no> First of all, a 152's overhead lighting consists of a small no> 'flood' with a red filter that illuminates the instrument panel. no> It has two little slots which can be opened to throw a tiny beam no> of white light onto the pilot's and/or passenger's lap area for no> the purpose of illuminating charts. That's it. A 182, as Thank you for confirming what I also posted. Every 150 I've flown has a red light for illumination to aid in night vision. Turn on a white light and it's simple: You go blind. Thanks, but I'd just as soon see the runway. --Michael -- Michael Schuyler - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler) Subject: Re: Dave And Doug's Crop Circle Hoax Date: 21 Sep 91 19:50:00 GMT In a message to All <09-17-91 09:40> Michael Corbin wrote: MC> Clearly, the hoax hypothesis is by far the leading hypothesis to explain MC> these crop patterns. (2) is a distant second, but only for the very simple MC> patters and (3) is extremely unlikely. MC> MC> This ranking of explanations may change but it is clearly the current MC> ranking. It's pretty obvious lots of the circles have been hoaxed, som ein front of witnesses. And it's pretty obvious by demonstration that it's possible for a couple of guys to trample on some wheat and make circles. Even though these two 60 year olds couldn't possibly have created all the circles, copycat hoaxers could be invoked to account for the rest. It amazes me why someone would go to so much trouble and energy in the middle of the night, but still, it is possible. BUT, what I still don't understand is some of the very complex geometric shapes that have been created, and ones I've seen pictures of. These shapes are perfectly geometric, especially as seen from the air. They are very complex as well. How could a couple of guys with gunsights attached to their baseball caps create these complex patterns? I heard recently (and no confirmation yet) that one of the latest circles has been identified as a Mandelbrot set. Two guys with baseball caps? I'd surely like to know how they did that. -- Michael Schuyler - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Image Files Date: 23 Sep 91 07:07:00 GMT Jim, Could you digitize that drawing that Linda Bird has and distribute it to the network? Thanks, Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: vanth!jms Subject: Kansas disappearances Date: 24 Sep 91 05:32:52 GMT From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) To: Jim Speiser +Russell, Kansas? Isn't that where our old friend, Scott Corder, hails from? I +wouldn't be a bit surprised if he is involved.... It was Russell County at least. I'd have to check the tape I made as to whether it was the city of Russell. Who is Scott Corder? I've heard the name, but it's not connecting with anything at the moment. Interestingly, I ran into one very bizarre tidbit about Russell today while cleaning out some old messages on floppy. Here it is: +From: Rich.Woods@p0.f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Rich Woods) +Subject: Prophecy +Date: 20 Aug 90 00:38:00 GMT + +Well someone asked me about the prophecy file and I can't remeber who. I am +putting it in the general message base as it does pertain to UFO's and may +be of interest to most in light of the recent developements with the +soldiers etc. [lots deleted] + 1990 + +13. Bob Dole, of Russell, Ks., becomes the next, greatest and +last president of the United States. Temporary 'white house' +set up in Russell. Russell bombed and Dole escapes. + [more deleted] +Note: These prophecies were received by Donna between about +March, 87, to February, 88. -- * From the disk of: | jms@vanth.uucp | I'm in a groove now Jim Shaffer, Jr. | uunet!cbmvax!amix!vanth!jms | -- or is it a rut? 37 Brook Street | jms%vanth@amix.commodore.com | Montgomery, PA 17752 | 72750.2335@compuserve.com | (Rush, 'Face Up') -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Implants Date: 24 Sep 91 06:13:00 GMT Yes, Keith...the implant issue is certainly an elusive one. Of course, I guess that could be said for the entire UFO phenomenon. It's interesting that the earliest reference to implants that Jerry could come up with was from the early 1980's. However, quite a few science-fiction films were made in the mid to late 50's which involved alien cerebral 'implants' used to control the human mind. One of these I remember was the classic _Invaders From Mars_. So the implant stories (even though fictional in this case) began much earlier than the 80's. Your case pertaining to the submandibular implant and its' subsequent removal/disappearance is evocative of a similar experience involving a woman here in Chicago. Briefly, this woman had become aware of a series of abduction experiences, prior to which she had undergone an MRI to attempt to diagnose a cause for her chronic back pain. The radiologist's report described an UBO at that time, but told the woman that this was noted in approximately 5% of all patients, was not pathological, and was not the cause of her back pain. In January of 1990, the woman went to have a second MRI done by a physician in New York who was sympathetic to the abduction phenomenon, and was doing a study on abductee's claiming implants. Supposedly, although I have not seen the actual data, the radiologist found 'nothing remarkable' after scanning a dozen individuals and soon lost interest in the investigation. Another major problem with the implant scenario is the fact that allegedly there are scores of recovered implants being scrutinized by 'un-named' scientists at 'un-named' institutions. Nothing is verifiable! The evidence, as far as I can tell, remains anecdotal. Keep up the good work Keith, and I look forward to reading your next article in the IUR. -= Sheldon =- -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Confirmation Date: 23 Sep 91 18:58:00 GMT Well, it turns out that there IS a white dome light in the 152, but don't sweat it, there's not the slightest possibility that an aircraft can be indentified from such as that. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Image Files Date: 24 Sep 91 06:13:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <09-23-91 00:07> Michael Corbin wrote: MC> Jim, MC> MC> Could you digitize that drawing that Linda Bird has and distribute it MC> to the network? MC> MC> Thanks, MC> MC> Mike MC> Now why didn't I think of that??? Consider it done. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: 1956 UFO Documentary Date: 24 Sep 91 21:28:00 GMT > Next Friday, September 27, 1991 on TNT at 3:45 A.M. E.S.T. there > is a documentary called 'UFO.' It was made in 1956. OOOOOOOO, that's a CLASSIC! It was a sort of 50's docudrama, narrated by a guy that sounded like George Fenniman, with a newsreel music bed, and military recreations...a real period piece! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Kansas disappearances Date: 24 Sep 91 21:32:00 GMT > It was Russell County at least. I'd have to check the tape I made as to > whether it was the city of Russell. > Who is Scott Corder? I've heard the name, but it's not connecting with > anything at the moment. > + > +13. Bob Dole, of Russell, Ks., becomes the next, greatest and > +last president of the United States. Temporary 'white house' > +set up in Russell. Russell bombed and Dole escapes. > + That's it, you've confirmed it. This "predictions" file came from Scott Corder. I remember that he made a point of mentioning Bob Dole's hometown because it was the same as his own. Scott Corder is a gent who started making all sorts of neo-Biblical prophecies a couple of years back, none of which came true. I have the complete file on him somewhere..... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: State of Ufololgy Date: 24 Sep 91 21:44:00 GMT You've summed it up all too well! There seems to be no solution; certainly none has shown up in the past 40 years. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Re : How old are the 'greys'? Date: 15 Sep 91 04:53:00 GMT Hi, Thanks for offering to mail the comic picture of the Greys to me. I'll be sure to share them with others here in the area. In return, I'll send you an article from Tuesday, Sept. 10th's USA TODAY showing how those two old gents in England claimed to have made the crop circles. My address: 1129 N. Sunview St. Mesa, AZ 85205 Thanks, and welcome back to the Board! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Exasperated over HV Date: 20 Sep 91 13:36:00 GMT Where have YOU been? You're absolutely right, Gerry, and that issue will be handled in my next post to Mr. Markowitz. I believe the discussion has gone on long enough, and has served its purpose. He seems to be sufficiently embarrassed as to be feigning a lack of interest in the subject (a sure sign). I notice that none of the bigwigs in the echo (with whom he attempted to curry favor) have jumped to his defense. Now's my chance.... Now be a good boy and netmail me your new phone number! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: HVUFO Round 4 [2/6] Date: 20 Sep 91 19:45:00 GMT > From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) > To: Jim Speiser > Maury Markowitz says: > + Right at the start, I got into a conversation about the Gulf Stream UFO > +stories with another echo member. I was interested that this story seemed to > +be so close to the Hudson Valley UFO stories in some ways. Soon after, > Jim > Jim, > Any idea what Maury thought similar between the Gulf 'Stream' :-) and > Hudson Valley cases? Looking back, I can't remember. I think it was just the multiple sightings aspect. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Kansas disappearances Date: 20 Sep 91 19:46:00 GMT > From: vanth!jms@amix.commodore.com (Jim Shaffer) > Can anyone fill me in on the disappearance of two women and two daughters > of one of them in Russel County, Kansas? The only thing I've heard so far > (just minutes ago on NBC) is that they were 'studying' UFOs and rumors are > rampant that the aliens have snatched them. The authorities aren't happy > about all the fuss and say that they've recently gotten some solid leads > but it's a bizarre case. My gut feeling is that when the truth is known > it'll probably be a Messianic cult like the GB-6, but I'd be a lot more > comfortable with better information. Russell, Kansas? Isn't that where our old friend, Scott Corder, hails from? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he is involved.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: 1956 UFO Documentary Date: 24 Sep 91 21:28:00 GMT > Next Friday, September 27, 1991 on TNT at 3:45 A.M. E.S.T. there > is a documentary called 'UFO.' It was made in 1956. OOOOOOOO, that's a CLASSIC! It was a sort of 50's docudrama, narrated by a guy that sounded like George Fenniman, with a newsreel music bed, and military recreations...a real period piece! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wrs.com!davidj Subject: UFO Events Calendar Date: 26 Sep 91 03:33:18 GMT From: davidj@wrs.com (David Jones) From: davidj@wrs.com Subject: UFO Events Calendar Date: Wed Sep 25 19:16:15 PDT 1991 ************************************************************************* * The following are some upcoming events that will focus on UFOs. I * * share this with you in the hopes that the more people that know the * * truth, that the truth will be known by more people. I am in no * * way involved with any of these events and share this for information * * purposes only. If you know of other UFO-type events, I welcome email * * in this regards. Enjoy. * ************************************************************************* Sept. 28 UFORUM - West L. A. Every last Saturday of the month Speakers on all aspects of UFOs Felicia Mahood Center, 11338 Santa Monica Blvd. West Los Angeles, CA info: A.R.C. 11012 Ventura Blvd., #134, Studio City, CA 91604 213 874-8185 Sept 29 NH MUFON UFO Conference Yokens Convention Center, Portsmouth, New Hampshire Oct. 3-6 International UFO Congress European UFO Network, Belgium Oct. 12-13 The UFO Experience Holiday Inn, North Haven, Conn. Oct 12-13 Fourth Symposium of Ufology and Exobiology Sao Palo, Brazil Oct 19 Show-Me UFO Conference III Holiday Inn Airport-West Bridgeton, Missouri (near St. Louis Airport) Oct 26 UFORUM - West L. A. Every last Saturday of the month Speakers on all aspects of UFOs Felicia Mahood Center, 11338 Santa Monica Blvd. West Los Angeles, CA info: A.R.C. 11012 Ventura Blvd., #134, Studio City, CA 91604 213 874-8185 Nov 15 - 18 Fri - Mon Whole Life Expo Los Angeles Airport Hilton Convention Center 5711 W. Century Blvd. 213 369-7090 POB 1317 Venice, CA 90291 Marina Popovich, Brad Steiger among others will be speaking. Nov sometime CUFOS Santa Barbara Center for Humanistic Studies Santa Barbara, CA 93190-1611 Dec 8 - 13 Vegas International UFO Congress (This follows closely on the heels of the Tucson Conference, both put on by Wendelle Stevens) UFO's and Official Authorities Riviera Hotel, Las Vegas, NV Office: 4266 Broadway, Oakland CA 510 428-0202 FAX 510 654-7802 Tickets $290.00 (if obtained in advance) List of speakers: J.J Benitez, Spain, Spanish Government files Joel Mesnard, France, UFO Abductions Mario Luis Bracamonte, Argentina, Heads C.O.R. Group Zetha Rodriguez, Mexico, Prof. H. Abduction Prof. Darush Bagheri, Iran, UFOs in East Mythology Prof. Sun Shi-Li, Rep. of China, China UFO Update Bob Ewing, Rep. of S. Africa, Air Traffic and UFOs Capt. Rui Avila Castel, Portugal, UFOs and Airliners Capt. Guy Kirkwood, USA, UFO Intercepts Bob Oeschler, USA, NASA and UFOs Sgt. Clifford Stone, U.S. Army, Contactee Treatment Dr. Richard Haines, UAS, Pilot Reports on UFOs Jorge Martin, Puerto Rico, UFO Aircraft Capture Alejandro Agostinelli, Argentina, UFO Photographs Marco Petit de Castro, Brazil, UFO Photographs Guido Moosbrugger, Austria, Inside the Meier Case Michael Hessmann, Germany, Latest German UFOs Vladimir Terziski, Bulgaria, UFO Technology Lembit Rannu, Estonia, UFO Abductions Ulimas Lipende, Finland, UFO Abductions Hakkan Blomqvist, Sweden, THe Helge Case Tales Schonia, Georgia USSR, Tbilisi Landings Col. R. O. Dean, USA, SHAPE UFO Commission Sept 1992 (tentative) Belgian International UFO Conference (Put on by Wendelle Stevens. This will be his 3rd) 1993 sometime (probably) New York International UFO Conference (Put on by Wendelle Stevens. This will be his 4th) cc`ed to UNIX netnews:alt.alien.visitors ------------------- David W. Jones davidj@wrs.com OR uunet!wrs!davidj ------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Ogden objects Date: 26 Sep 91 06:07:00 GMT Hi, Peggy I've been following your "Ogden objects" story with interest, and quite honestly, at least a modicum of skepticism. I think it would be great if you could post a brief synopsis of this event, detailing the objects discovery and events that have unfolded up to this point. Apparently, you now have photographs in your possesion which Jim Speiser is going to digitize and make available to the network. Who took these pix, and who actually disovered the objects? What is the apparent connection with Sitchin's material? I understand that the "writing" is supposed to be similar to Arabic characters according to Curtis. You would think that many news services would be interested in picking up a story such as this, but to my knowledge only_Omni Magazine_ has shown an interest in the scoop. >From what I've seen so far, it seems to be the same old story of too many "un-named" sources. Anecdotal evidence such as this *must* be verifiable if we are to be taken seriously. Best of luck, -= Sheldon =- -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: ogden object Date: 26 Sep 91 03:54:00 GMT Hi Jim, Wouldn't dream of asking you for 29 cents for sending you a drawing of the Ogden Object. It's a sketch I made from a photograph, not the actual photograph. But I guess I did a good enough job because several people have identified it as a "tunnel borer." It is supposedly some 40 feet high. Post your address & I'll snail it to ya. <:-) Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Tesla & Hungarian Date: 26 Sep 91 04:23:00 GMT Hi Clark, The man who was channeling Tesla (alledgedly) was not speaking in Hungarian, just in a really thick Hungarian-type accent. (I was at the BeckleyCon earlier in this month and attended that particular session.) 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