Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 504 Tuesday, November 26th 1991 Today's Topics: Q&A: John Burroughs Bill Cooper Weird night on Halloween Re: Q&A: John Burroughs Re: Bill Cooper Omni Comments RAF BENTWATERS/WOODBRIDGE Re: Bill Cooper Q&A: John Burroughs Bill Cooper Re: Author Re: Q&A: John Burroughs Re: Bill Cooper Crop Circles: a hoax? Bill Cooper David Jacobs Gulf Breeze "mars Effect" America's New Secret Aircraft Paranet 9600 Bps Hyser Report Author Re: Hyser report ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Q&A: John Burroughs Date: 21 Nov 91 22:35:00 GMT PARANET Q&A: JOHN BURROUGHS I think I mentioned that we were going to be doing this in a message a couple of months ago, but I have been very busy lately, so now's my chance. A couple of years back, I asked ParaNetters to post their most burning questions for Budd Hopkins, which I compiled and passed on to him. The resulting Q&A file was then published online and in Oddysey Magazine. It was quite a success, and shed some light on a lot of issues. I'd like to try to do the same thing on a regular basis with other UFO luminaries. As you probably are aware, John Burroughs is a key witness to the Bentwaters Incident, which was covered in some detail on the season opener of Unsolved Mysteries. John's rendering of the incident has added a new patina of credibility to the case, and he is willing - anxious, really - to answer people's questions about what happened, his role in it, and what it could possibly have been. In addition, John is in regular touch with Col. Charles Halt and other witnesses and can pass questions on to them as well. If you have any questions or comments about the Bentwaters case that you would like to address to any of these witnesses, please post them in reply to this message. I will compile all the questions and send them on to John, and then will transcribe his responses to the network. Also, we're open to suggestions for future Q&A subjects. Among all the members of this network, there's barely a major UFO figure in the world that cannot be reached fairly easily for comments. And many of them have written books that they would just love to see discussed here, so they aren't the least bit shy. As I said before, this approach has been hugely successful in the past, and can really demonstrate the power of computer networking. I invite you all to participate. Let's see some questions! Jim Speiser -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Bill Cooper Date: 22 Nov 91 22:08:00 GMT I thought I'd never mention this name again, but I thought y'all might be interested to know... Bill Cooper was just on a radio show here in Phoenix, talking on the topic of the Kennedy Assassination. Yes, he's still touting the "Greer Shot Kennedy" theory. Even more interestingly, though, he is now backpedaling on the aliens bit, saying that its all a ruse by the government to get us to unite behind the New World Order. Someone called in and said that he'd read many articles by Cooper claiming that UFOs were real and that the government was in cahoots with the aliens, and Cooper asked, "Did you see those articles on a computer BBS?" He said "yes." Cooper then said, "Those weren't written by me. Someone wrote a bunch of hogwash articles using my name and uploaded them to a bunch of computer bulletin board systems." For the record (as if I even had to tell you this), the man speaking was very definitely the same Bill Cooper that I had spoken with back when all this first started, back when this same Bill Cooper was claiming that MJ-12 was real, and that the government was in cahoots with the aliens. This man will obviously stop at nothing, even denying his own previous handiwork. Interestingly, the caller told Cooper, "By the way, Vicki Cooper and Lars Hanson said `Hi', and to tell you that you are still the biggest liar in the world." Awwrriiiighht! Anyone out there wanna claim credit for that call? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Ron.Navarro@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Ron Navarro) Subject: Weird night on Halloween Date: 22 Nov 91 23:46:00 GMT I have been a reader of OMNI since it's first publication. Over those years I have found myself in places where current UFO information was hard to come by. But, due to the easy access to OMNI I could always count on reading a new article every month. I am happy to see that section of the magazine has survived over the years. Although, it has been increasingly difficult to find this particular section in the magazine, at least for me. In the past the red color was easy to find. Listing the UFO UPDATE/paranormal section in the table of contents would help. The reports are interesting but to me sometimes too short. Also a more scientific-investigative tone integrated with the existing reporting styles seems to be called for these days. Above all, don't stop a good thing. Ron -- Ron Navarro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Ron.Navarro@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Q&A: John Burroughs Date: 23 Nov 91 04:55:00 GMT Hi JIm, In regards to a Q and A forum, I bet I will have questions for Zecharia Sitchin after I read his interview with Don Ecker in the next issue of "UFO." Thanks, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Bill Cooper Date: 23 Nov 91 05:03:00 GMT Hi Jim, I just missed that show (school was still in session). Did you tape it? I heard some of the after-talk, though. ttyl, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Omni Comments Date: 24 Nov 91 00:04:00 GMT >has survived over the years. Although, it has been >increasingly difficult to find this particular section in the >magazine, at least for me. In the past the red color was easy >to find. Listing the UFO UPDATE/paranormal section in the >table of contents would help. The reports are interesting but >to me sometimes too short. Also a more >scientific-investigative tone integrated with the existing >reporting styles seems to be called for these days. Above all, >don't stop a good thing. >Ron Hi Ron, Thank you very much for your comments about OMNI and the UFO sections. I know what you mean about finding the listing in the table of contents -- but if you look for "Antimatter" that should help. That's the title of the section which includes as its first page,"UFO Update." It's not in every issue --note it's not in the Dec. 91 issue and, if memory serves, wasn't in the Nov. '91 either, -- but I have just spoken with one of the editors there and asked if it was going to be continued or dropped (its absence worried me) and she tells me there's no question of dropping either it or the Continuum section (silver pages -- used to be silver, that is, now just plain pages -- at the front of the magazine) because those are the two most popular features which readers like best. Many people have been suggesting a more critical analysis of the stories in that section so maybe the weight of opinion will change what the editors do. I'll relay your comments to the editors. If you think of something else you'd like to add, please don't hesitate...BTW, would you use the ONLINE service if OMNI goes to that? And if so, what would you like it to provide -- what would attract you to use it? (Some people have suggested having the articles online, past and current ones, as well as a way of asking questions or getting more info about those articles.) Did I understand correctly that you think the section has become too small -- the UFO Update, that is? The Antimatter section has been reduced in numbers of pages in the last several issues. If you think it should be brought back up to its previous length, I'll pass that along too. Thanks, again, for your comments! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Hudnall) Subject: RAF BENTWATERS/WOODBRIDGE Date: 24 Nov 91 03:06:01 GMT I was station at RAF BENTWATERS and for a short time at WOODBRIDGE it's sister base in 1976-77. I missed out on the later UFO stuff, but I can tell you there were a lot of strange stories going around even before then. Before you ask, I was a security guard, just like the guys who spotted those UFOs in the Woodbridge flap. I was on the night shift/graveyard shift (it alternated) also. Anyway, two stories went around the base. One was about East End Charlie, a ghost which was supposedly from a crashed WWII pilot. Bentwaters and Woodbridge were used for crashed landings when pilots came across the channel with damaged planes during the war. East End Charlie supposedly haunted the east end of the runway and sometimes was seen in the woods nearby. I'm planning to write a text file about the Bentwaters stories I heard which I'll called BENTTALE.TXT. They're interesting stories, whether true or not. I will say this much. Some of the people I talked to on base who claimed to have experienced these events were fairly credible and looked extremely disturbed when they told them to me. They didn't act like they were clowning around or making stuff up. -- James Hudnall - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Delton) Subject: Re: Bill Cooper Date: 24 Nov 91 00:58:00 GMT I wish I *could* claim credit for that call to Cooper. I didn't hear the show but one of the others in my office was listening to it. He came in after it was over and starting telling me about the incredible new theory he just heard about how Kennedy was assassinated. After only a couple of sentences I asked him who had been on the radio. He wasn't sure. I asked if it could have been a Bill Cooper. Yep, that was the guy. What's so stomack turning is that when people hear a calm voice say such-and-so on the radio they will usually believe it. -- Jim Delton - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Delton@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Q&A: John Burroughs Date: 22 Nov 91 07:05:51 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <22 Nov 91 21:55> Linda Bird wrote: LB> Hi JIm, LB> In regards to a Q and A forum, I bet I will have questions for LB> Zecharia Sitchin after I read his interview with Don Ecker in the LB> next issue of "UFO." LB> Thanks, LB> LB> Linda That's the spirit. There's a lot of interest in Sitchin lately. Speaking of which, you missed a good meeting the other night. Sitchin's name came up there, as well. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Bill Cooper Date: 22 Nov 91 07:07:12 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <22 Nov 91 22:03> Linda Bird wrote: LB> Hi Jim, LB> I just missed that show (school was still in session). Did LB> you tape it? I heard some of the after-talk, though. Naw, didn't tape it, didn't want to waste a good cassette. They went from one extreme to the other. A guy named Jim Moore preceded Cooper, and talked about his book, "Conspiracy of One," in which he tries to show that Oswald, acting alone, shot Kennedy. Funny how that's become the controversial position these days, but Moore defended his position well. He claims that a lot of these books out about the assassination are just so much conspiracy-mongering, that the authors conveniently leave out facts or do shoddy research. He's kinda like the Phil Klass of JFKology, but like I said, he did a fairly credible job. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Author Date: 24 Nov 91 04:53:00 GMT Hi John, EEEK! Darn, I missed the Larry King show, thus missing Don Ecker and Keith Thompson! Well, I will have to now rely on everyone's reports. Thanks for reminder! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Q&A: John Burroughs Date: 24 Nov 91 05:25:00 GMT Hi Jim, Do you mean the Thurs., Nov. 21st meeting at Ray's? I had my last class meeting (and you know you have to be there for the LAST night, or else!). I asked Ray if he could change the date, but he couldn't. Tell me more in Private mail, or just call. Thanks, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Bill Cooper Date: 24 Nov 91 05:34:00 GMT Hiya Jim, Don't you think that the subject of JFK's asassination is going to come up in the 3rd week of November for the rest of our lives?? Geez. It was on KFYI all afternoon today, and Friday morning as well. I think old Bill Cooper is a clever kookie for getting on the radio right about now and discussing JFKology. (Did you invent that term? I like it.) This gives him a great chance to hawk his books, make new converts, and urk the rest of us! Thanks for the info on Jim Moore. He's probably correct. TTYL, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Crop Circles: a hoax? Date: 24 Nov 91 05:46:00 GMT Hi Andre, Greetings from Arizona! I would like to know what the German newspapers had to say when the news came out of England about the two elderly gentlemen who claimed to have made all those crop circles. About a month ago, a close family friend of ours was staying with us for two weeks. He's from Bielefeld; we argued UFOs, aliens, and crop circles for several days. He was determined to convince me that dave and Doug (in England) had done all those circles. I think I finally wore him down because I have a lot of literature here at home. But I would like to know how this subject was handled in the German press. Respond if you can. Many thanks; by the way, I was in Germany in July 1989 in Berlin. We didn't think the wall would come down for another 30 yea. Just goes to show you how fast things can change. Regards, Linda Bird -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Bill Cooper Date: 23 Nov 91 04:52:26 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <23 Nov 91 17:58> Jim Delton wrote: JD> been a Bill Cooper. Yep, that was the guy. What's so stomack JD> turning is that when people hear a calm voice say such-and-so on JD> the radio they will usually believe it. You got that right. "Oh, but he sounded so CREDIBLE..." That and a nickel will buy you this "Dare To Be Great" T-shirt.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: David Jacobs Date: 23 Nov 91 05:30:53 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <21 Nov 91 09:05> Clark Matthews wrote: CM> What's the problem with Jacobs? Traffic on the ABDUCTION echo is CM> so sparse he could transfer all of his weekly packets in only 3-4 CM> minutes of time at 2400 bps per week. Considering he's getting CM> lots of fodder for his book -- and guaranteeing book sales among CM> the membership here -- is that meagre polling schedule such an CM> unsupportable expense for him? According to Mike Corbin the problem is in the process of being taken care of. We should have a Philly node soon, this time a (very) dedicated one. But I'm sure your offer of help is appreciated! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Gulf Breeze Date: 23 Nov 91 05:34:14 GMT In a message to All <22 Nov 91 12:08> ncar!doc.imperial.ac.uk!a wrote: nc> Does anyone have any of the Ed Walters nc> photos on a gif file that I could view to complete the picture. nc> Thanks, Robert Robert: I have three photos GIFfed online here. Can you file request? The wildcard name GBREEZ*.GIF will get all three. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: "mars Effect" Date: 23 Nov 91 05:37:53 GMT In a message to All <19 Nov 91 01:19> Rick Moen wrote: RM> If people are interested, I'll upload it to this echo (or P_GENERAL, as RM> the moderator prefers). It would constitute about 11 messages. I dunno bout uploading it here (although I'm sure it will be welcome), but I would very much like to have it as an important addition to my library. I will FREQ it from you. Thanks, Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: America's New Secret Aircraft Date: 23 Nov 91 05:39:42 GMT In a message to All <22 Nov 91 18:50> ncar!hpvclmd.vcd.hp.com!m wrote: nc> 'According to reports over the past two years, a vast black flying wing, nc> estimated at between 600 and 800 ft. in nc> width, has passed silently over the nc> city streets, empty desert and rural nc> freeways. The craft moved so slowly one nc> observer said that he could jog along with it. A pattern of seemingly nc> random white lights on the vehicle's nc> black underside provided 'constellation nc> camouflage' against the starry sky. Observers detailed unlikely maneuvers nc> in which the vehicle stopped, rotated in place and hovered vertically....' nc> It is an interesting article well worth reading. Does it attempt to draw a connection between these sightings and existing government experiments? nc> Also don't forget the National nc> Geographic Special on crop circles this Sunday nc> (Nov 24) at 9pm EST/ 6pm PST on TBS. nc> It is called 'The Mystery of the Crop nc> Circle'. My TV listing show it repeating nc> on Monday night (Nov 25) at 10pm PST. I was told this would be on Discovery. Will it be on both? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Paranet 9600 Bps Date: 24 Nov 91 05:06:02 GMT Hello Andre, Acutally I was looking for a ParaNet node utilizing V.32, but a bit closer to Chicago than Berlin . I'm afraid the LD charges will not be compensated for by the HS transfers, but thanks for the offer. BTW, _UFO Magazine_ did a cover photo one issue back displaying an array of agriglyph type crop circles discovered in Germany. Are you familiar with this photo/formations? If so, I would be most interested in hearing your comments and observations. Take care, -= Sheldon =- -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Hyser Report Date: 21 Nov 91 18:30:00 GMT John Hicks said: > Sure, no problem. Didn't you or Don get a scanner and OCR software a > while back? I'm in the market and looking for advice. Could come in > handy. John, now that my system is back up and working ( God, I hope so!) ..Yes Mike and I both have scanners and OCR software. If I can be of assistance, please ask. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Author Date: 21 Nov 91 18:40:00 GMT Linda Bird; > What can you tell me about an author named Keith Thompson? I saw a book > of his called Angels and Aliens." I can't recall who he is and he is > not an author that all of us have mentioned before (to my knowledge). > Is he reliable? reputable? a crackpot? Linda, I will be meeting Keith on the Larry King Live show on CNN on November 22nd. You can make your mind up about it then....... Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Schuyler) Subject: Re: Hyser report Date: 22 Nov 91 15:39:00 GMT In a message to Michael Schuyler <11-16-91 23:40> John Hicks wrote: JH> But we could just as easily someday demonstrate how to hoax a real JH> TRUFO photo. And if we did out-hoax a potential hoaxer, we still JH> haven't proved his photos to be fake, just that it can be done. That's the truly frustrating thing about phtos, particularly these days. We can perhaps prove a photo a fake if it's detectable. But that's the only bona fide conclusion anyone can come to. All other answers amount to "We don't know." -- Michael Schuyler - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Schuyler@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************