Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 511 Saturday, December 14th 1991 Today's Topics: Re: Sphinx debated 300,000 yrs ago, humans in Americas Belgian UFO The 'Big Picture' Receipt Acknowledged Re: ANTIGRAVITY REPORT Re: SPHINX DEBATED Re: The UFO Report Fido/Para net boards in the UK Vegas Update The UFO Report Crop circles Bill Cooper Re: The Ufo Report Bill Cooper Richard Price tape Re: Mysteri ses Flugobject rast auf die Erde zu... Douglas Bower's Exhibition Re: SPHINX DEBATED UFO Magazine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Sphinx debated Date: 6 Dec 91 05:09:00 GMT Hi David, I greatly enjoyed the articles on the Sphinx, and hope you will post your findings. In the latest issue of UFO Newsclipping Service, there were 2 articles on the professors and the Sphinx. Fascinating! Best, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: 300,000 yrs ago, humans in Americas Date: 7 Dec 91 06:34:00 GMT In a message to All <03 Dec 91 18:58> wam.umd.edu!infinity wrote: nc> From: David Elmore Coleman nc> In July or August 1989 a French anthropological or archaeological journal nc> published or reviewed a study by a Brazilian archaeologist/anthropologist nc> concerning remains in northern Brazil dated by thermoluminescence to nc> be 300,000 years old. This came on the heels of a discovery in the Mojave nc> Desert, which was at the time quite controversial, concerning 270,000 year nc> old evidence of human habitation. I have been unable to find the journal, Hi David -- I hope you'll be able to keep us aprised on this topic. So many archaeological OOPARTS (Out-of-place Artifacts) are so tempting to speculate about. Cyclopean stones off Andros Island, ancient, weathered tunnels thru Utah, etc. These things have given Charles Berlitz endless fodder -- and they're genuinely confusing and challenging. So I think you and the Brazilians are probably on to something, but it's almost impossible to imagine what. Anyhow, I hope you can keep us posted. nc> and found an abstract on the technique of thermoluminescent dating, by nc> Dr. Elisabeth Mateus and a host of others, all at the University of nc> Sao Paulo. The name Dr. Elisabeth Mateus rang a bell and I remembered Could you tell us what theroluinescent dating is -- how it's done -- what the accuracy is -- how controversial is it?? nc> the book. But, I can get zip information (or whatever it is in Brazil) for nc> the Sao Paulo, Brazil address, hopefully from the U of Maryland library. Or the Brazilian consulate in D.C. or N.Y could certainly provide it -- perhaps thru a cultural attache? nc> What is interesting is that California and northern Brazil are nc> some of the few parts of Lemuria and Atlantis (reputedly) which exist nc> above water today. The Peruvian Andes and coastal Carolinas are the only nc> other New World parts, so it is interesting that so far, assuming thee nc> finds are legitimate, all two finds predating the Asian-American Bering nc> Strait migrations are at former portions of alleged lost continents. nc> Hmmm... Hmmm, indeed. Actually, some of the most interesting stuff is underwater on the U.S. Costal Shelf, around Bermuda and the Caribbean islands, and in the Gulf of Mexico. I seem to recall the discovery of a well-preserved stone staircase leading down to a beach on the Yucatan. But the beach is now 150' underwater, the stairs begin almost 100' underwater, and they clearly correspond to sea levels of B.C. 20,000. There's a similar anomaly just below Mancu Picu in the Andes: a stairway leads down to the beach. The beach is at about 11,000 feet elevation, and seems to have been there before the Mountains rose to their present height! In fact the whole city of Mancu Picu has been "undatable" according to some sources, because it was virtually earthquake-proof (until the Conquistadores removed the flexible silver braces from the buildings). Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Belgian UFO Date: 7 Dec 91 06:52:00 GMT In a message to Michael Corbin <30 Nov 91 11:23> Kay Mclaughlin wrote: > MC> CNRS scientist Petit, well-known for the fact that his scientific > MC> inspiration is due to aliens (coming from planet UMMO, 15 light > MC> years from us, as you should know). Coincidentally, Dr Petit and > MC> others are publishing at the same time books on the UMMITs. KM> UMMO? I did read that correctly, did I not? It says UMMO, right. KM> Am I in a time warp, or what? I HAD NO IDEA that this group was sill KM> around. I remember reading about this in the 70's. KM> OK, I dug through my library, there is a chapter about them in "The KM> Invisible College" by Jacques Vallee (1976, EP Dutton). KM> Can anyone bring us up to date on their activities? I second that! Does Dr. Petit accept the UMMO hypothesis?!? The UMMO thing has all the elements of a very elaborate long-term hoax, but *some* stories associated with it defy explanation: there was an MIB-like incident in Spain, I believe, in the late 50s -- that referred to a long-forgotten Jack-the-Ripper-like crime in the same house many years before the MIB visit. It's weird, weird stuff. But I'd be surprised if Petit buys UMMO hook, line, sinker, and anonymous mail... Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: The 'Big Picture' Date: 7 Dec 91 20:23:00 GMT David -- your Big Picture post is very thoughtful indeed. I agree with you -- or the way your thinking is evolving, anyway. Mine is following similar paths. I haven't felt the need to use a channel yet, though, and honestly doubt the relevance of channeled information. I think we're making great strides in theory on our own, don't you? Be that as it may, the M-field and the holographic paradigm could explain plenty. Behaviours, for instance. If our brains work holographically, and can also serve as receptors, perhaps much of a species' behaviour and tendencies exist independently, outside of the species. In the M-field. The field could be constantly evolving, incorporating behaviours in a species as those behaviours become predominant. The Hundredth Monkey observations seem to point directly to this, and they infer some pretty Reichian stuff like a Collective Unconscious and "shared memory". I'd like to digest your post some more and comment further as time allows. But one thought I've been playing with is that UFOs -- or UFO beings, at least -- could have access to the M-field. Perhaps they *come* from it, or at least need it, or rely upon it in some way. Therefore, their agenda could be *shaping and re-shaping* behaviours, perceptions, or beliefs. Jacques Vallee has commented on this quite a bit, but has not tied it in to a motive for the UFOnauts weird behaviour and frequent appearances. The M-field -- the total sum of human beliefs and actions -- could offer such a motive. Thanks for the interesting observations! Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Powell@p5.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell) Subject: Receipt Acknowledged Date: 4 Dec 91 08:49:25 GMT In a message to Kay McLaughlin <29 Nov 91 18:52> Jim Speiser wrote: JS> Thanks for the flyer, got it today. Have you been to that museum? JS> I think the AVRO car is also at the Smithsonian, isn't it? I've been there and haven't seen it. If someone knows where it is I'd really like to see it... (I'll send free photos to the 1st correct respondee...) Thanks, take care. John. -- John Powell - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Powell@p5.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: ANTIGRAVITY REPORT Date: 6 Dec 91 19:22:50 GMT I'd like to see some facts about this device in the future. So far it's a large publicity release. Anyone have some details on whether this device has ever lifted itself or anything, or is it a theoretical machine which lends itself to development when materials catch up with the technology? Just like the airplane was dependent on a light enough internal combustion engine that could power it. Gliders already existed, wings were known, the engine was the key to completion. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: SPHINX DEBATED Date: 6 Dec 91 19:55:41 GMT Just for the record Schoch is a Geologist. West is (as he says it) Author, Travel Guide and self-proclaimed "rogue Egyptologist". Most amusing is that he looks like me! If you see his picture in the Oct 10th USA today article, it's uncanny. I'm still getting the paper from Orkney. Reports of Northern Lights, they called them "Merry Dancers". I have seen some other allusions to fearies and some unusual unknown terms, like the Merry Dancers. Fun to track the meaning down. If I do move there in 1993, I will continue with Paranet. Excavation on the Viking boat burial, on Sanday, will have begun by this reading. It's described as the find of the century. Inlike some of the unusual finds in the US, Scotland sent a team of six to immediatly dig and preserve the materials found. The actual location is being kept secret until after the research is done, just in case. I wonder if anyone is doing anything with the claims for the Ogden Object? Keeping it a secret and doing nothing, is fruitless. And how did they get a part of it into an electron microscope if it can't be cut? (hmmmmm) The worst solution to this would be no more information, and have it remain a vague enigma eternally. Unsubstiantated claims really cork me off. Thanks for the two articles, I read them on the plane on the way to Vegas last week. Mike L went to the same high school with me. In fact we played in a band together for two or three years. He's extremely intellegent, was politically active (and I'm still not), creative person. I graduated a year before him and that year he hooked up with some other guys who practiced some magic. (or is that Majic?) They put a spell on a cop that was bugging them, if that's the right term, and he had an auto accident a couple of days later. Maybe co-incidence? Meanwhile I was in college in Iowa, far from anything bigger than a snowdrift. There's more, but best kept in netmail if you are interested. Mike was a good guy and close friend for three years. That was in 1966 so who knows what the years can do to change a person. His article alludes to Cooperish information. I need to re-read it. The comment about the bombs being developed for use in soil like we have in the South-West was distorted to say it wasn't meant for Russia. First thing that came to my pea sized brain was, What about the Gulf War? I think he is aiming towards mystery and weirdness, and avoiding some straight forward answers. Now if you really want to feel sorry for me, just watch the weather reports for this area, I'm and outdoor person, 12 inches of snow is just no fun after 70 degrees in California last week. 8*) -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hrusovszky@f300.n238.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hrusovszky) Subject: Re: The UFO Report Date: 7 Dec 91 01:26:45 GMT KB> "Henry Winkler is convinced there are other beings inm outer space-and not KB> afraid to say so. There's a good reason for the former Fonz's sudden KB> outspokeness. He's just served as co-executive producer of The UFO Rep KB> which will air on US TV. And he reckons the program will prove his point. "W KB> reports from people all over the world," he says." Does anyone have any information on when this will air? And if not on National TV, what satellite and transponder it may appear on? Thanks in advance. -- John Hrusovszky - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hrusovszky@f300.n238.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Fido/Para net boards in the UK Date: 7 Dec 91 07:41:01 GMT > We would hope to come to some arrangement with Paranet (and possibly > other boards) where we would become a local echo. Sounds *very* good. I can make the Fidonet Zone 1 UFO echo available, if they're interested. jbh Fidonet UFO Moderator -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Vegas Update Date: 8 Dec 91 07:11:32 GMT In a message to All <06 Dec 91 12:40> wrs.com!davidj wrote: nc> I apologize for the nc> mis/dis-information, it was unintentional. Ah, but nc> the intrigue ... :-) S'OK, David, we've been through it before.... Many, many, many times before... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: The UFO Report Date: 8 Dec 91 18:42:06 GMT In a message to Keith Basterfield <06 Dec 91 18:26> John Hrusovszky wrote: >KB> "Henry Winkler is convinced there are other beings inm outer space-and >KB> not >KB> afraid to say so. There's a good reason for the former Fonz's sudden >KB> outspokeness. He's just served as co-executive producer of The UFO Rep >KB> which >KB> will air on US TV. And he reckons the program will prove his point. "W >KB> reports from people all over the world," he says." JH> JH> Does anyone have any information on when this will air? And if not on JH> National TV, what satellite and transponder it may appear on? JH> Thanks in advance. John: That's already aired in this country, it was the one-hour Fox special. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Crop circles Date: 8 Dec 91 09:20:00 GMT In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <28 Nov 91 20:08> Keith Basterfield wrote: KB> Despite the fact that South Australia is one of the world's KB> largest crop producing areas, and that crop harvesting has KB> commenced early here due to weather conditions, we have had nil KB> reports of crop circles. What to make of this? Why, Doug & Dave are in the UK now! Fly them back there and I'm sure they'll crank out a few dozen for you some weekend! :-) Maybe the folks at Pine Gap will indulge in a little cross-training, so they can produce a few more retired spooks who've mastered the "lightning trample" method (a/k/a St. Vitus Dance). As conscientious public servants, I'm sure the Pine Gap crowd would like to oblige. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Bill Cooper Date: 8 Dec 91 09:27:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <27 Nov 91 14:26> Kay Mclaughlin wrote: >JS> I thought I'd never mention this name again, but I thought y'all > JS> might be interested to know... KM> Never say Never And Why ask Why? :-) > JS> Bill Cooper was just on a radio show here in Phoenix, talking on the > JS> topic of the Kennedy Assassination. Yes, he's still touting the "Greer > JS> Shot Kennedy" theory. Even more interestingly, though, he is now .... KM> Perhaps Kennedy is a better money maker, believed by more folks willing KM> to part with $$$$. With the "alien bit", it's more work trying to KM> convince folks. I'll say one thing for ol' Coop: When he isn't chewing on the furniture or icepicking his critic's tires, he has a good eye for a movie tie-in. KM> Oh no, maybe he's been cloned? No, he always had an evil twin, Hooper. U heard it here first. :-) Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: The Ufo Report Date: 9 Dec 91 05:34:00 GMT John Hrusovszky asked; > Does anyone have any information on when this will air? And if not on > National TV, what satellite and transponder it may appear on? > Thanks in advance. John, the show aired October 18th, 1991 on the FOX Network. It was a co-production with Winkler and Ann Daniels Productions. It also as an aside, had the highest share and rating in that time slot that Fox has ever received. We speak about it in the next issue of UFO Magazine. Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Bill Cooper Date: 9 Dec 91 05:36:00 GMT Clark Matthews said: > I'll say one thing for ol' Coop: When he isn't chewing on the furniture > or icepicking his critic's tires, he has a good eye for a movie tie-in. > > KM> Oh no, maybe he's been cloned? > > No, he always had an evil twin, Hooper. U heard it here first. :-) Damn ---------- now that explains a lot. I had heard that the evil twin was named ** POOPER **, but I will defer to your apparently superior source!! Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Richard Price tape Date: 9 Dec 91 15:07:01 GMT Hello Keith S., On 10-31-91 I had a message from you via ParaNet UFO Echo in which you requested a copy of the audiotape I'd made of the KOA radio interview of Richard Price (the abductee who claims to have a now-removed implant which is being studied by MIT scientists.) I believe I answered that I would send that tape if you'd send the address. Now I see that I've also had another message of nearly identical content from Keith Basterfield, also of Australia, and also Origin Lined: UFO Research Australia, but hwere yours says UFORA Associate VIC, his says Research Officer. His netmail address is 9:1040/12 while yours is listed as 9:1040/15. I have received a mailing address from K.B. and have just mailed a copy of that tape off to him. I'm sorry to say that the similarities --same first names and same country of origin -- apparently confused me and I thought I'd answered your request as well, thinking you were the same person. Now I realize I was wrong and I apologize. I will be happy to send the tape as you requested if you'll send me the address. (The one for K.B. was in Modbury north.) Please accept my sincere apologies for this inattentive error. I didn't mean to neglect your request and am truly sorry for this delay. ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sir.Wildfire@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sir Wildfire) Subject: Re: Mysteri ses Flugobject rast auf die Erde zu... Date: 2 Dec 91 17:22:04 GMT Andre, As far as the German to English translation goes, It says Mysterious Flying Object rests(hovers) on the Erde(A river in Germany.) Charles Centers -- Sir Wildfire - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sir.Wildfire@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob Subject: Douglas Bower's Exhibition Date: 10 Dec 91 08:40:14 GMT From: Robert Trevelyan I found this gem in my local paper 'The Basingstoke Gazette'. It included a photo of Douglas Bower with his hoaxing contraption. I have copied it word for word, it reads : --------------------------------------------------------------- Page 30 The Gazeete - Friday December 6, 1991 'A show of Corn for a Landscape Artist who Fooled the World' 'IT'S A FULL CIRCLE FOR THE HOAXER'S ART!' 'The man who confessed to fooling millions of people with hundreds of corn circles is making his mark in Hartley Witney. But its not another hoax. This time Douglas Bower is exhibiting his paintings of the circles and the tools he said he used to make them. Douglas, 67, and his friend David Chorley announced this year that they had created over the past 13 years the circles which have mystified top scientists and the military. Until now he hadn't dared show the circle pictures in case the link was made with him. Douglas started the hoax in an attempt to fool the UFO societies. It was 'just a laugh', he said. A contraption made with a stick and rein were used to create the circles, he said. Sceptics have queried how the straight lines were made in darkness. Douglas said: ' You look through the loop on the hat, train your eye on a fixed point, walk towards it and you get the straightest line you could ever wish for.' He believes that all the circles that have been found worldwide are man-made. Douglas is well known for his watercolours of Hampshire landscapes. The exhibition at Century Galleries, High Street, Hartley Witney, runs until next Thursday.' --------------------------------------------------------------- -- Robert Trevelyan UKnet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk AIX Communications VNET: TREVELR at NHBVM7 Voice: +44-(0)256-56144 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: SPHINX DEBATED Date: 10 Dec 91 03:37:00 GMT Hi Pete, I saw pictures of those Egyptologists in the Nov. UFO Newsclipping Service. I can't locate that magazine now, so can't tell what "you" look like. Were "you" the dusty, bearded one?? Interesting comments on Mike L. I sure am not the same person I was in H.S., altho basic values have stayed the same. Our temp is in 70's and is partly cloudy & humid. It's the humidity (at 60% today) that I can't stand! Tell me anything you want on netmail.... TTYL, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: UFO Magazine Date: 10 Dec 91 06:20:00 GMT *UFO Magazine* Volume 7 No. 1, has now hit the print shop. I know I have said it before, but allow me once more to state that this issue is very big. *UFO has 3 very important scoops in this issue. First, UFO is running the Phobos shot with my story on how it came to be. I know may of you heard about it, now here is your chance to see it. Second, the final installment of the Lee Graham story airs this issue. What makes it important you ask? Well, *UFO received from Graham a document that has never seen the "public" light of day. I know you have all heard of the Aquarius document, and 2 or 3 pages of it have been public for a while. Well, *UFO received the "ENTIRE" 9 pages of the Aquarius document that Bill Moore was given reportedly by a Govt. agent connected with Falcon, and he has had it since the early 80's. Graham has filed FOIA's on it with NO response from the government in months. We are turning up the heat. Third. *UFO received a startling admission from a very controversial UFO figure while investigating the Graham story. *UFO is running with it. This feeds right back into the intelligence establishment. And of course, so much more............. Call us! 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