Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 513 Tuesday, December 17th 1991 Today's Topics: Mutilated Cattle 2/ (none) (none) Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Omni ONLINE Ray Stanford Delphos, Kansas Incident Re: Ufo Magazine Ogden Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Re: UFO MAGAZINE Implants Richard Price tape Kidd Drive Re: Welcome back! Re: Crop Circles: a hoax? Re: UFO BOOK ON COMPUTER Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Kidd Drive CUFOS Abduction Videotape ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Mutilated Cattle 2/ Date: 12 Dec 91 15:42:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Fido UFO Echo" * Originally from Patrick Briggs * Originally dated 12-09-91 12:09 >>> Continued from previous message - A 1971 Ford camper, operated by a "B.L. Chrisensen" is registered to Dale F. Mackey of Los Angeles, California. ** END OF ARTICLE. ___ X SLMR 2.0 X Unable to locate Coffee -- Operator Halted! -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: (none) Date: 13 Dec 91 04:26:12 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) ? Subject: EARLY AMERICANS ? Date: 5 Dec 91 18:33:45 GMT ? ? From: ZAK@CU.NIH.GOV ? ? From: wam.umd.edu!infinity ? + In July or August 1989 a French anthropological or archaeological journal ? + published or reviewed a study by a Brazilian archaeologist/anthropologist ? + concerning remains in northern Brazil dated by thermoluminescence to ? + be 300,000 years old. This came on the heels of a discovery in the Mojave ? + Desert, which was at the time quite controversial, concerning 270,000 year ? + old evidence of human habitation. I have been unable to find the journal, ? + as I got my information from a news periodical I should have photocopied. ? -- MORE-- ? ? ? Have you seen the book _American_Genesis_ by the-name-escapes-me? ? Are you talking about 'American Genesis: a century of invenstion and technological enthusiasm, 1870-1970' ? By Thomas Parke Hughes ? Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: (none) Date: 13 Dec 91 04:26:35 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) ? In 1903 the eminent American astronomer Simon Newcomb 'proved' on paper ? that heavier-than-air flight was a mathematical impossibility. Later that ? year the Wright brothers flew a Kitty Hawk. ? ? David E. Coleman infinity@wam.umd.edu This reminds me of a story a friend is fond of telling me where scientists proved that bumble bees cannot fly. Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Hudnall) Subject: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Date: 13 Dec 91 04:57:01 GMT Who I write for depends on who I sell to, but my main source of income is writing comic books. Mind you, these comic books are not like what you probably expect. Comics have changed dramatically in the last ten years. What I write are stories aimed mainly at an adult audience. My work is mostly political SF thrillers. My latest series is called THE PSYCHO and it's about paranormal spies. I'm well known in my field for Espers and Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography. I'm starting to work in Hollywood now on films and I'm also working on a novel. Thanks for asking. -- James Hudnall - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (James Hudnall) Subject: Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Date: 13 Dec 91 05:05:02 GMT Uh, what report did your husband write? Something on Bentwaters? My feelings on UFOs tend to lean in the John Keel, Jaques Vallee, Tim Holiday direction of them being some kind of paranormal manefestation that is capable of transmitting virtual reality experiences to the human brain. Therefore, my Bentwaters stories (I'll get them written soon) make sense, since they are mostly of the ghost/MIB variety. If Keel and co. are correct in their elemental theories, these paranormal events preceeding the UFO flap there substantiatesa "trend" of sorts. I've recently heard another tale from a friend which is pretty damn scary. I'll upload that at some point, also. -- James Hudnall - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: James.Hudnall@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Omni ONLINE Date: 12 Dec 91 15:45:24 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <10 Dec 91 21:12> Michael Schuyler wrote: MS> Jim, CUFON is back up and running with a Seattle-area BBS with MS> files only and refuses ANY echo mail connection. (206) 776-0382 MS> is the number. I've talked with him on the phone a coupla times; MS> rather, I listened to him on the phone a coupla times. His main MS> thing is to get Congress to open an investigation. MS> --Michael Good 'ol Dale...still holdin' out against the world... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Ray Stanford Date: 12 Dec 91 19:50:06 GMT In a message to All <08 Dec 91 11:50> Bill Chalker UFORA Associ wrote: BCUA> A number of years ago Ray Stanford's PSI group announced it had BCUA> some UFO spectra for which they were seeking funds to study. BCUA> Ray's group broke up. I did bump into him at the Washington BCUA> MUFON conference in 1987, but unfortunately there was only time BCUA> for a hello and little else. BCUA> Now Ray has had an extremely varied career. I was a member for a BCUA> while of the AUM group, which published his "Source" material - BCUA> ahead of his time given the current in vogue channelling craze. BCUA> But it was Ray's PSI activities that interested me the most. BCUA> I gather Ray is now resident in Washington DC area. BCUA> The reason I'm asking is that I have a University associate here BCUA> in Australia with a specific interest in UFO spectra and who BCUA> would be willing to examine credible evidence for UFO spectra. BCUA> Now, I cant believe or hope that the spectra has not been BCUA> examined by now by some hopefully responsible crowd in the US but BCUA> I have not heard anything about it. Besides this side of it I BCUA> would like to renew contact with Ray. BCUA> Thanks in advance for anyone who can help. BCUA> I saw recently ghe had helped Bob Oechsler in Washington/Maryland BCUA> investigations!!! BCUA> Regards, Bill Chalker. Bill: Wasn't that Project Starlight International? I don't know what their status is, but I know someone who would. Contact Dale Goudie at CUFON in Seattle. Don't have his number handy, but its in the 206 area. I just realized I met you in person at the 87 MUFON conference. We shared an elevator in the Bethesda Holiday Inn! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Delphos, Kansas Incident Date: 13 Dec 91 00:14:17 GMT In a message to All <11 Dec 91 18:05> ncar!cwns5.INS.CWRU.Edu!x wrote: nc> A person on the Cleveland Free-Net UFOlogy Sig has asked me about nc> the Delphos, Kansas incident and would like to obtain an article nc> on this which was in the Journal of UFO Studies, New Series, Vol. nc> 1, 1989. nc> If anyone has this article or could upload it to me, it would be nc> appreciated. Or if you could tell me where I can write for it, that nc> also would be appreciated. Hi Dale! The article in question is by Dr. Erol A. Faruk, a chemist. It is called "The Delphos Case: Soil Analysis and Appraisal of a CE-2 Report." I can type up the abstract, but your best bet is to get the publication - no ufologist should be without it. It's $15 from CUFOS, 2457 W. Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659. Abstract follows: Three members of a farming family claim to have witnessed an unusual luminescent object hovering over their land. After departing, the soil over which the object allegedly hovered was found to have undergone considerable physical and chemical change, the effects of which lasted for several months afterwards. Subsequent chemical analysis of the soil provided data which virtually discounts any hoax interpretation and even goes a considerable way to corroborating the witnesses' testimony. A plea is made for a conclusive analysis involving the identification of a single unstable compound which just might provide evidence of a genuine UFO-related event occurring at Delphos. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: Ufo Magazine Date: 12 Dec 91 07:06:00 GMT Linda Bird asked: > Can't wait to see the newest issue! > > Isn't this the one with the interview with Z. Sitchin, too? Yep sure is Linda. And more from Sitchin to follow in future issues. Best; Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@paranet.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Ogden Date: 13 Dec 91 20:57:00 GMT >WPC<> * Origin: Unknown - Appended by IMAIL 1.0 (9:1040/7) >371/3 Hi Sheldon, The above is all there was of your message to me...maybe it'll be in another message, but there would appear to be some kind of transmission problem somewhere along the line. Only thing that showed up in the mssg I received here on ParaNet Alpha's Mail was the origin line. If the message shows up in another place and you get an answer from me, ignore this; if not, please repost. Thank you. ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@paranet.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Date: 13 Dec 91 14:20:11 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <12 Dec 91 21:57> James Hudnall wrote: JH> paranormal spies. I'm well known in my field for Espers and Lex JH> Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography. JH> I'm starting to work in Hollywood now on JH> films and I'm also working on a novel. You lucky guy...sounds like you're doing exactly what I would like to be doing, if I had the opportunity.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Date: 13 Dec 91 23:12:00 GMT JH> in my field for Espers and Lex Luthor: The Unauthorized Biography. JH> I'm starting to work in Hollywood now on films and I'm also working on JH> a novel. Hey...I happen to have enjoyed 'The ESPers'...but I never got into that L. Luthor thingy. :) -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: UFO MAGAZINE Date: 12 Dec 91 17:29:32 GMT Still looking for that file I promised you last week. After that, "the check is in the mail"... -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Implants Date: 13 Dec 91 03:50:00 GMT Hi Peggy, You should be receiving a bag of "goodies" from "Down Under" about the same time as this message. Happy reading. -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: Richard Price tape Date: 14 Dec 91 08:23:00 GMT > tape if you'd send the address. Now I see that I've also had > another message of nearly identical content from Keith > Basterfield, also of Australia, and also Origin Lined: UFO > Research Australia, but hwere yours says UFORA Associate VIC, > his says Research Officer. His netmail address is 9:1040/12 > while yours is listed as 9:1040/15. Hi Peggy, Seeing that you are somewhat confused about two "Keiths", I hope you won't mind if I answer your message. UFO Research Australia operates as a network of individual UFO researchers and groups in all Australian States. HQ and Administration are based in Cairns, Far North Queensland. I don't know whether you've seen a message I posted recently on Paranet re UFORA moving from South Australia to Queensland. I am Administrator and I live now in Cairns, KEITH BASTERFIELD is UFORA Research Officer and he lives in South Australia (that is where I used to live until a month ago). KEITH SONERSON is a UFORA Associate and (we have associates in all Australian States) he lives in VICTORIA. He is also coordinator for our UFORA Victorian Branch. So you have two "Keiths" with similar Christian names but different surnames. I run Paranet/UFORA which is a private computer network for UFORA associates only (not for general public). Currently we have seven associates on this network. Both "KEITHS" are on this computer network. Keith Basterfield is 1040/12 and Keith Sonerson is 1040/15. As it hapened both of them requested that tape from you. I thought I'd send you a reply because Keith Sonerson did not poll me last Thursday (associates poll me twice a week) and therefore did not see your message. He'll probably poll me on Sunday. Regards, Vlad -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers Subject: Kidd Drive Date: 14 Dec 91 14:31:18 GMT From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) The Kidd anti-gravity drive mentioned in David Coleman's post of a couple of days ago strongly resembles the Dean Drive that John Campbell, the editor of Astounding/Analog SF magazine, championed in the late 1950's. Both claimed to produce a 'one way push,' both had parts moving in circular paths, and both were supposed to be usable as spaceship drives. As I remember, Dean's device did not use gyroscopes, but had rotating weights on a platform that could be pulled upwards by a solenoid. The idea is that if the parts moved fast enough, the device could always stay ahead of the equal and opposite reaction. Dean developed a theory (published as a 'science-fact article' in Astounding) that his device operated by a hypothetical force he called 'intractance' which was proportional to the third time derivative of position (velocity is the first, acceleration the second). Conventional physicists and engineers call this quantity 'rate of onset' or 'jerk' (or used to; I may be out-of date on my engineering terminology), but recognize no forces dependent upon its value. As with Kidd, some industrial firms took Dean seriously for a while, but lost interest when he never could produce a really functional prototype. The working models had always been 'tested to destruction.' The ones seen by the public would bounce around on the platform of a scale and seem to loose weight, but that apparently was an illusion due to the mechanical vibrations. Dean appeared to be a true believer in his device and not a fraud or con artist. Campbell proposed installing a large Dean Drive in an atomic submarine and converting it into a spaceship. This idea provoked a lot of mirth from SF writers and fans and inspired at least one satirical song. Campbell also held many other heterodox ideas and opinions, including a belief in psionics as it was embodied in the Hieronymous Machine. As editor of Astounding, later called Analog, however, he was chiefly responsible for developing modern science fiction as a true literary genre and he strongly influenced major writers such as Robert Heinlein during the 'Golden Age' of SF in the late 1930's. --- John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Welcome back! Date: 15 Dec 91 03:38:00 GMT Hi Vlad, Thanks for information on your new region. I remember reading about the flattened area in the swamp. When you go out driving at night, be careful! (Take your bug spray!) Best, Linda s -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Crop Circles: a hoax? Date: 15 Dec 91 03:44:00 GMT Hallo Andre, You said that you think some things about UFO's will come to light next year. Do you suspect the German government is hiding some secrets? If so, do you have some clue/ideas as to what they are hiding? My friends in Bielefeld don't appear to ever hear UFO stories in Germany -- only in the USA and a few other places. Thank you,nd Frohliche Weinachten! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: UFO BOOK ON COMPUTER Date: 15 Dec 91 03:54:00 GMT Hi Bill, We'll be waiting to see how to purchase this in U$ dollar$. Thanks! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Date: 15 Dec 91 04:25:00 GMT Hi James, Yes, my husband wrote a very skeptical report on Bentwaters, based 99% on the recent TV special a few months ago. He glanced at a couple of books here, but like MOST skeptics, did not really do his homework and READ any further. In my opinion, he also asked a lot of impossible questions. Mike Corbin has a copy of the report and may post parts of it. Thanks for your inquiry, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Raf Bentwaters/woodbridge Date: 15 Dec 91 07:18:49 GMT In a message to James Hudnall <14 Dec 91 21:25> Linda Bird wrote: LB> Hi James, LB> Yes, my husband wrote a very skeptical report on Bentwaters, based LB> 99% on the recent TV special a few months ago. He glanced at a LB> couple of books here, but like MOST skeptics, did not really do LB> his homework and READ any further. In my opinion, he also asked LB> a lot of impossible questions. research methods; and he should know better with an M.S. in engineering!> Linda: I wouldn't write Birdie off so fast...his questions are important ones, and NEEDED to be asked. It IS a little interesting that John didn't make an all out effort to look at the ground impressions, for instance. Tell Loren that John will be responding soon. And I *WILL* call you tomorrow, I promise! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Kidd Drive Date: 15 Dec 91 07:32:49 GMT In a message to All <14 Dec 91 12:05> ncar!violet.berkeley.edu! wrote: nc> or 'jerk' (or used to; I may be out-of date on nc> my engineering terminology), but recognize no forces It was still called "jerk" as of my 12th grade physics class (1974). nc> heterodox ideas and opinions, including a belief in psionics as it nc> was embodied in the Hieronymous Machine. What the heck is the Hieronymous Machine? nc> As editor of Astounding, later called Analog, however, nc> he was chiefly responsible for developing modern science fiction nc> as a true literary genre and he strongly influenced major writers nc> such as Robert Heinlein during the 'Golden Age' of SF in the late nc> 1930's. And don't forget Asimov! Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier) Subject: CUFOS Abduction Videotape Date: 15 Dec 91 13:15:01 GMT In the spirit of Bill Chalker's recent post concerning the new Australian UFO book on computer diskette, I wanted to make everyone in this forum aware of the newly-produced Center for UFO Studies videotape on the abduction phenomenon. The tape is about 85 minutes in length and includes interviews with Budd Hopkins, John Mack from Harvard, Mike Swords, myself, Jerry Clark, and Eddie Bullard. It also contains original interviews with Betty Hill and Walter Webb, who was the original investigator on the Hill case. The tape is broken into segments, and the first is on the history of CEIII cases, including the contactee phenomenon. The producers we worked with to complete the tape, WPA, obtained unique archival footage of UFO early UFO conventions, including the fabled Giant Rock meeting in California. I particularly enjoyed these portions of the tape. The emphasis in the tape is on a serious discussion of the abduction phenomenon, and all sides of the issue are presented by the various participants. I'm sure I'm biased because of my involvement, but I do believe that this is the most sober, rational treatment of abduction reports that has ever been produced on video. The tape is available for $23.00, postage paid, from CUFOS. In case you don't have our address, it's 2457 W. Peterson Ave., Chicago, IL 60659. Phone 312-271-3611. We are in the midst of producing three additional tapes as part of a video series on the UFO phenomenon. Consequently, we'd be most interested in comments from those who purchase the tape about content, use of visuals, graphics, and so forth. You can direct them to me either on Paranet or directly to CUFOS. I'll think you'll like the tape, and so will your UFO-interested friends. It would be a great stocking stuffer. Thanks for reading this note, and seasons greetings. Mark Rodeghier -- Mark Rodeghier - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************