Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 520 Monday, January 13th 1992 Today's Topics: Re: JFK MYSTERY Re: Suicides? Ufo Magazine Ufo Magazine Re: *** TV ALERT *** An Interesting Development ... Ray Stanford An Interesting Development ... An Interesting Development ... IUR Momentous Occasion Re: Nephilim Roswell Investigation Amazon Question Re: SUICIDES? Re: CIS MESSAGE Re: JFK MYSTERY Noriega Trial Suicides? Re: Suicides? Iur Price Re: Nephilim Amazon Question Re: Cis Message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: JFK MYSTERY Date: 31 Dec 91 04:43:00 GMT Hi Pete, Thanks for info on Kennedy and all those mysterious deaths. Looks like the only one who didn't get killed was Garrison!! Makes ya wonder why not. Lot of hysterical folks, to be killing themselves......hmmmm. Thanks again, and Happy New Year! Have a drink for me; I've got bronchitis... Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Suicides? Date: 31 Dec 91 04:46:00 GMT Hello Clark, Thanks for more info on Kennedy. I'm sure by now you saw Pete Porro's post and run-down on the deaths. Amazing story.... Thanks and Be Good! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Ufo Magazine Date: 30 Dec 91 01:20:00 GMT Ian Harper asked: > Hi can you please tell me where i can get a copy of this mag, as it > sounds very interesting. i live in a town in the UK called Basildon > and we find it hard to get hold of this kind of info (that was before we > got paranet) > I hope you dont mind me asking? bye for now.......IAN HARPER Ian, I am always happy to be of help if possible. UFO Magazine is a bi-monthly publication that takes a sober, skeptical look at one of the most fascinating subjects around, UFOs. The best way to receive the magazine in the U.K. is via subscription. In the U.S. the cost is $21.00 per year, and outside the U.S. it is $28.00 per year. If you live outside the U.S. and wish it to get to you 1st Class ( much faster ) the cost is $36.00, and you will recieve it much quicker. The address to send a subscription fee is; UFO Magazine P.O. Box 1053 Sunland, Ca. 91041 U.S.A. Hope that is of assistance. Best Regards; Don Ecker Director of Research UFO Magazine -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Ufo Magazine Date: 30 Dec 91 01:37:00 GMT Keith Basterfield stated; > There was some talk six months ago about trying to get the mag > distributed down under. Did anything come of this? If not could you > please supply me with the mailing address and current US$ price for a > year's subs and I'll sub direct. The tantalising items I see here, need > to be explored in full with a personal copy. Thanks. Keith, as of yet no, nothing happening. However you may certainly subscribe-direct... The cost outside the U.S. is $28.00 U.S. currency, and if you would wish it sent air-mail 1st Class, the cost is $36.00 U.S. Inside the U.S. it is still $21.00. Write to; UFO Magazine P.O. Box 1053 Sunland, Ca. 91041 U.S.A. Will look forward to hearing from you. Best Regards; Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Graham@f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Graham) Subject: Re: *** TV ALERT *** Date: 31 Dec 91 21:57:49 GMT In a message sent 22:03: 25 Dec 91, John Hrusovszky wrote to Jim Speiser: JH> Nope. Just finished watching it. And right JH> afterwards, a Special JH> Speech by President Bush -- about the breakup of True, but it did get the heart muscle to flutter when the network announcer said, "Stay tuned for a special report from the President of the United States...". :-) On a serious note, I wonder if this announcement rumor actually came from within the show itself. Several minutes into the show, Robert Stack said something like, "...and when we come back, we'll hear testimony from actual government officials...". Jim Graham Sysop: The Portal Dolmen BBS and ParaNet(sm) ALPHA-GAMMA (812)-334-0418, 24 hours Lots of wierd-science goodies. ) -- Jim Graham - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Graham@f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: An Interesting Development ... Date: 31 Dec 91 14:49:21 GMT In a message to Don Allen <29 Dec 91 12:11> John Burke wrote: JB> BTW, thanks for posting that cookie recipe that appeared on the JB> Internet. Now if I can just find someone to do the "dirty work" JB> and really MAKE those damn things ... Happy New Year! -- John Speaking of which, I dutifully posted the recipe to the local net here, and I was informed that it is one of those "online urban legends," as I kinda suspected it was. The wife is going to attempt the recipe anyway. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.Chalker.UFORA.Associate.NSW@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW) Subject: Ray Stanford Date: 29 Dec 91 05:24:00 GMT > > Yes is was Project Starlight International. See for example Curran's > > book "In Advance of the Landing" and Ray's own book "Socorro Saucer in a > > Pentagon Pantry" for more info. The site development re UFO monitoring > > I believe is now defunct. > How can I get a copy of this publication? > Mike > Mike, Seasons greetings. Curran's excellent book on Folk Concepts of Outer Space was published in 1985 by Abbeville Press, Inc. 505 Park Avenue, New York, 10022. It is difficult to get but a wonderful book on the human response to the ETH pulse. Ray Stanford's own book was published as "Socorro Saucer in a Pentagon Pantry" by Blue Apple Books, P.O. Box 5694, Austin, Texas, 78763 run by a friend of Ray's, John Lucas. He also did the excellent drawings. I'm not sure whether Blue Apple is still going. Fontana published a paperback version as "Socorro Saucer" in 1978 (William Collins, UK) with an extra chapter referring to supportive info on the possiblity of a landing at Holloman in 1964 in which contact or retrieval was made. APRO was writing about this in 1964! This claim was resurrected by Doty with Howe in the early 80s, and Emenegger had a similar story thrust on him in the 70s, but his contacts were stating that the Holloman landing took place in 1971 - a B___ S____ date according to Doty (via Linda Howe). I don't know if a US paperback edition was published. I would be interested in hearing anything re the Howe/Emenegger/Holloman connection. Regards, Bill -- Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.Chalker.UFORA.Associate.NSW@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: An Interesting Development ... Date: 28 Dec 91 18:44:00 GMT > As a Ham operator, I have talked to many in your country and > get this feeling of still wanting to go over there when I talk > to them. Maybe when I hit the lotto I can make my dream come > true. Come to Cairns, Tropical Far North Queensland (where I live now) if you like warm weather - no winters here! A real paradise. > Maybe someday these records will be opened and the truth will > come out. Be careful when dealing with this subject and others > during your investigations. A lot of joint adventures going on > between our 2 countries and this country playes hard ball > sometimes when you get too close to the facts. Thanks for the advice Jim. I've been very active in UFOlogy for the past 30 years. So far I haven't had any unpleasnt experiences with the MIBs (Men in Black). However, if I happen to see a real UFO, I won't tell anybody. All the best, Vlad -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: An Interesting Development ... Date: 28 Dec 91 18:49:00 GMT > I "believe" that both cases are real..however, I cannot prove > them > satisfactorily to skeptics, but that's just my opinion. Every > person > has their own index for what kinds of "proof" they will accept > as being > real/acceptable to them. To me, both GB and the Meier case are > labeled > "religious". That's fine by me. In that case there is nothing more I'd like to say. Vlad -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: IUR Date: 27 Dec 91 05:00:00 GMT Hi Peggy, The address for the IUR is International UFO Reporter, 2457 West Peterson Avenue, Chicago, Illinois, 60659. Price is quoted in a recent issue as $25.00 per annum, six issues. Articles I write, are sent to a variety of Journals e.g. IUR, Magonia, MUFON Journal, Fortean Times (all gratis). I like the IUR for its academic leanings to the subject. Re reproduction of the articles elsewhere, I have always found the editor Jerry Clark more than willing to grant permission to reprint. For example, my last IUR article on an Australian abduction case was reproduced, with Jerry's and my permission in the UK Fortean Times. So no, I'm not contracted to anyone, just the most appropriate mag for the article. -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Momentous Occasion Date: 1 Jan 92 19:31:56 GMT In addition to wishing you all a Happy New Year, it is also my distinct pleasure to wish you all a HAPPY 6TH ANNIVERSARY OF PARANET! Here's to another memorable year of the world's most intelligent online conversations on the paranormal! Jim Speiser -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Nephilim Date: 2 Jan 92 00:20:00 GMT Hi Peggy, Thanks for the message from Rocky. It would be fun to talk to him about these Nephilim folks. Glad to see there are others who ponder such unponderables. A question for you and Rocky: who is Yahwah, the (oops, that's Yahweh) the spiritual leader/god for the Isralies? Was ]he one of the Nephilim? IF so, which one? Enki? Anu? Enlil? Thanks for the Christmas Card! Hope you have a great New Year! Good wishes, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Roswell Investigation Date: 2 Jan 92 02:05:01 GMT I recently received from Dr. Bruce Maccabee a summary of grant proposals for the continuing Roswell case investigation. This summary is reproduced below for those of you who did not receive this inquiry. The names in parentheses are the proposers, dollar amounts are estimated Project costs. He would like us all to rank order of the following proposals by placing a "1" beside the project you think is the most important; a "2" next to the second most important, etc. The form should then be mailed to: Fund for UFO Research P.O. Box 277 Mt. Rainier, MD 20712 U.S.A. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ___ Project A -- To conduct further research into UFO crash/retrieval cases (Leonard Stringfield): $1,200 ___ Project B -- To interview six additional witnesses (Don Schmitt): $1,700 ___ Project C -- To conduct hypnosis sessions with known and potential witnesses (Stanton Friedman): $15,860 ___ Project D -- To conduct further research at the Truman and Eisenhower Libraries, the Sandia and Los Alamos Laboratories, and at the Library of Congress (Stanton Friedman): $6,545 ___ Project E -- To produce a follow-up videotaped summary of witness testimony (Fred Whiting): $500 ___ Project F -- To bring significant witnesses to Washington, DC, for a de-briefing by congressional staff and interviews with media representatives (Fred Whiting) $5,700 Any further suggestions:.............. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ My personal order of importance would be F (absolutely!),D,A,C,E,B Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Amazon Question Date: 1 Jan 92 07:04:00 GMT > Amazon's banks. Human skeletons at the > site are ''robust, tall, compared to > later Amerindian populations,'' > one scientist said. Could indicate a migration from a different area than the later Amerindians. Maybe? jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: SUICIDES? Date: 1 Jan 92 10:09:44 GMT Hope the file with the stats got through to all of you. I didn't write it, I don't know the source, but since it was up I served it. PS Disclaimer for the year of 1992, I may not spell well, but my typing is even worse. Please excuse me for the next 365 days. Details are fine, but as usual the most simple common things in life seem to escape me. I'll probably get hit by a 747 because I didn't notice it! -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: CIS MESSAGE Date: 1 Jan 92 10:19:35 GMT We have to stop meeting like this, I think your husband is getting suspicious? I just called CIS for the playoff games (since I'm a football nut among other obsessions) and now I writing comments upon the comments. Didn't see anything, but I'll try tomorrow. Besides that I closed out all the accounts for the year at work which is hours of watching the printer in compressed print, telling me what I was wishing I didn't have to see. Tomorrow I hope to start my life again. I'm done living as the sound of one hand clapping. Significant blabber trust me. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: JFK MYSTERY Date: 1 Jan 92 10:20:12 GMT And Garrison is a judge now. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Noriega Trial Date: 1 Jan 92 15:49:01 GMT CM> In a message to Jim Speiser <20 Dec 91 07:24> Jim Greenen CM> wrote: CM> CM> JG> behalf of Noriega. It smells of the James "Bo" Grz trial where it CM> JG> was completely black-out from the city limits of Las Vegas. Lars CM> JG> Hannson has been covering the trial and has written some news CM> JG> articules on it. Can't get a major newspaper or TV station to CM> JG> touch it. It makes you wonder just whats going on. 73'S ---JIM--- CM> CM> What's going on is that Noriega survived to name names. CM> This should be really interesting -- bet you 16 to 5 that CM> virtually nothing the defense tries to present will be CM> allowed into evidence... CM> CM> Best, CM> Clark Sorry Clark, the odds are not high enough. How about 50 to 1, the I might bet you a quarter. ---Grin--- --Jim-- -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Suicides? Date: 1 Jan 92 15:53:02 GMT You forgot James V. Forreststall (spelling not correct) and probably thousands more that we are not aware of. ---Jim--- -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Re: Suicides? Date: 1 Jan 92 16:05:03 GMT LB> Hi JIm, LB> LB> Thanks for answering back on the Kennedy question. It LB> certainly is strange how all those people died so LB> mysteriously! LB> LB> My Xmas was ruined when, a few days before Xmas day, both LB> Hubby and I came down with colds. Really nasty for me; got LB> behind in all my school work, and the lesson I have learned LB> is that I'm gonna have to slow down. Still not well yet, LB> just crept outa bed to check mail. LB> LB> Happy New Year, LB> LB> Linda LB> Sorry I couldn't give you more details but I have a problem remembering names and details. I do remember reading or seeing a articule or watching something but can't remember which book or program that it happened. This happens when you get over 50. ---Grin--- Sorry about the cold but I have the same problem when the wife catches a cold. She is so cute, I have a hard time staying away from her. You would think after 24 years that I could have better self control. Sometimes I wish God didn't make you women so huggable. 73'S ---JIM--- -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Iur Date: 3 Jan 92 12:12:00 GMT Keith, Thank you for sending the address and other information. Sounds worth checking further. I appreciate the info! ==peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Price Date: 3 Jan 92 12:13:00 GMT >Hi, yes, I'll write to Richard price re his video. Okay, I hope it proves worthwhile! -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Nephilim Date: 3 Jan 92 12:16:00 GMT >Hi Peggy, > > Thanks for the message from Rocky. It would be fun to talk >to him about these Nephilim folks. Glad to see there are >others who ponder >such unponderables. A question for you and Rocky: who is >(oops, that's Yahweh) the spiritual leader/god for the >Isralies? Was >]he one of the Nephilim? IF so, which one? Enki? Anu? >Enlil? Hi Linda, Good questions! I'll relay your message to Rocky. (I think this should pique his interest!) Thanks for the Christmas card yourself ;-) ! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Amazon Question Date: 3 Jan 92 12:19:00 GMT > > Amazon's banks. Human skeletons at the > > site are ''robust, tall, compared to > > later Amerindian populations,'' > > one scientist said. > Could indicate a migration from a different area than the >later Amerindians. Maybe? Hmmmmmm....good thought. Maybe something like Tristan Jones' tall, fair-skinned, red-haired group of people in South America. (It's been a while since I read that one of his books and I don't remember now which country it was in...could be same one.) I'll have to see if there's some way I can get a copy of the original story from the Independent. Maybe "one scientist" had more to say on the topic than that little item had space to tell. ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Cis Message Date: 3 Jan 92 12:28:00 GMT >getting suspicious? I just called CIS for the playoff games >(since I'm a football nut among other obsessions) brain died!> and now I writing comments upon the comments. >Didn't see anything, but I'll try tomorrow. Hi Pete, Could it be I used the wrong number? I posted it either on 12/29 or 12/22 (last two call dates -- not sure now which was *the* one). I have in my notes this #:75046,762. If that's not you, then somebody out there is wondering what in the world is going on and who is this nut who keeps sending him imponderable stuff ! It should've reached you via EMail--should get the mail announcement when you first logon, so if you didn't find it [oops -- sorry, my automatic backup program just interrupted here and I had to tell it to shut up and go away for the moment] when you called for football info, something must be amiss. I, too, am a fan after years of hating the game. Finally learned what it was all about. Does it seem to you that this year just isn't as good overall -- there've been a few really good games but a whole ton of snorers too -- or is that just the perspective of a less avid fan? > >Tomorrow I hope to start my life again. I'm done living as the >sound of one hand clapping. Significant blabber trust me. Hmmm...sounds intriguing! If you haven't found the message next time you call CIS, let me know and I'll try something else. ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************