Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 522 Thursday, January 16th 1992 Today's Topics: Australian Computer Book Mj-12 And Bill Moore Suicides? Radio Isotopes Found In Corn Re: CIS MESSAGE Nephilim Amazon Question Roswell Investigation Suicides? Roswell Investigation Texas Camps Momentous Occasion Australian Computer Book UFO RESEARCH IN AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND digital book info Diffraction for viewing UFOs Australian Computer Book Re: Nephilim Radio Isotopes Found In Corn Responses to several messages Suicides? Texas Camps Re: Colds Keith's paper Delphos Chemical, Hieronymous, etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier) Subject: Australian Computer Book Date: 7 Jan 92 03:03:01 GMT Vladimir, I attempted today to call the numbers you supplied for Dynamo House to order a copy of the book. I didn't get through and got the same message both times about checking the number before calling again, so I assume the numbers are somehow incorrect (I checked my dialing carefully). Do you know if the numbers are incorrect? If so, do you have the new ones? Thanks. Mark -- Mark Rodeghier - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Mj-12 And Bill Moore Date: 7 Jan 92 05:12:00 GMT > From: THURMAN_JIM/HPATC_01%hpcsee.col.hp.com@col.hp.com > I have been trying to find out the latest on the MJ-12 documents > and what has happened to Bill Moore. > > My understanding from reading the literature is that the MJ-12 > papers were considered, by most researchers, to be faked... > possibly by Moore himself. If anyone has up-to-date information > on this I would greatly appreciate it. Also any new info on the > Groome Lake (Area 51) happenings would be of great interest. Thanks > in advance for any help! As I have heard recently, Bill Moore is alive and well in LA. Don Ecker has recently interviewed him and was told that he was a "controlled asset" for the spook community. This article appears in the latest issue of UFO Magazine. As we have always asserted, the MJ-12 documents are generally considered fakes, however this does not answer a few open questions: 1) Why? and 2) Where did some of the interesting information contained in them come from? As most know, the MJ-12 documents list Donald Menzel as one of the "Unholy 12." At first blush, this sounds completely preposterous as Don Menzel was one of UFOlogists most colorful bashers, next to Phil Klass. However, Stan Friedman's latest research uncovered some very interesting things about Menzel's "closet-life," including his involvement in high level intelligence matters. This would shed some different light on Menzel, and now brings to the fore a big question about who in fact really hoaxed the documents. Moore claims that he is still involved in some work for the spooks. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Suicides? Date: 7 Jan 92 05:17:00 GMT > Correcto-mundo. I actually did recall the Defenestration of Forrestall > after I finished the message. > > I actually have a file on Forrestall's death, but I don't know that > anyone has done a take-no-prisoners investigation. Jumping out a window > is a pretty unusual way to go -- and it's so easy to "assist" such a > suicide... In reading "Blank Check" by Tim Weiner, he claims that Forrestal went bonkers and began to think that the Japanese were poisoning him and following him around, among other things. Maybe Bill Moore was do a Bennewitz on him :-) Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Radio Isotopes Found In Corn Date: 7 Jan 92 05:18:00 GMT > From: Robert Trevelyan Keep us posted on where we can get a look at lab results of these tests to see the procedures used to analyze them. Thanks, Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: CIS MESSAGE Date: 5 Jan 92 11:22:18 GMT Got your message and the address, I started making up a package of articles for you. Should be leaving the office UPS on Monday or Tuesday. As usual note the time on the message. a few hours sleep and here I am at the keyboard again. For a change I'm at home not the office. Nothing new on West who says the sphinx is much older than generally accepted. How many days until 11:11? I'm not too concerned as time and the dates are all man made and have nothing to do with the cosmic relationships. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Carl.Aztec@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Carl Aztec) Subject: Nephilim Date: 6 Jan 92 04:57:00 GMT > > Thanks for that information on Yahweh. Have you read > any of Zecharia Sitchin's books? The 12th Planet and The Lost Realms. Someday I'll get around to the others! > I was wondering if one of the > Sumerian gods could have been adopted by the Hebrews, > and, if so, which one? Historically, religion seems to modify itself to fit the needs of the believers who borrow heavily from earlier religions and mythologies. Of course from the believers perspective the have "discovered" the religion. > The origin of religion fascinates me; what a mystery > it is! You would probably enjoy a book called "The Power of Myth". Basically it's a transcript of a PBS TV interview of Joseph Campbell conducted by Bill Moyers (or perhaps you were lucky enough to catch the TV series itself(?)). I don't want to stray too far from the topic of this conference, so perhaps to make this relevant I'll suggest that perhaps our "New Age Aliens" are nothing more than man's answer to an archetypical divine entity ala Joseph Campbell and/or C.G. Jung. -- Carl Aztec - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Carl.Aztec@f70.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Amazon Question Date: 6 Jan 92 01:42:03 GMT > Maybe something like Tristan Jones' tall, fair-skinned, red-haired group > of people in South America. You've read Tristan Jones?!!! Wow! I met him about nine years ago in Key West; kept the beer coming and he kept the stories coming. Amazing guy! Maybe the fact that I was a scuzzy sailor helped. ;-) Now that you mention it, I remember something about the fair-skinned people too. I *think* it may have been in _Adrift_, but it's been so long since I've read his books I don't remember. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Roswell Investigation Date: 7 Jan 92 05:51:59 GMT In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <05 Jan 92 17:57> John Burke wrote: JB> Sheldon: JB> Offer a reward to people like Bill Brazel or anyone else who may JB> still be holding Roswell debris, to come forward with it on live JB> television. $100,000 I'd think any holdouts would have come forward long ago. The total take on a real live piece of a flying saucer would be a helluva lot more than $100,000. I'd say offer the money to any Pentagon insider with documents. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Suicides? Date: 7 Jan 92 05:54:19 GMT In a message to Jim Greenen <05 Jan 92 18:28> Clark Matthews wrote: > JG> You forgot James V. Forreststall (spelling not correct) and > JG> probably thousands more that we are not aware of. ---Jim--- CM> Correcto-mundo. I actually did recall the Defenestration of CM> Forrestall after I finished the message. CM> I actually have a file on Forrestall's death, but I don't know CM> that anyone has done a take-no-prisoners investigation. Jumping CM> out a window is a pretty unusual way to go -- and it's so easy to CM> "assist" such a suicide... Hmmm, where did I see just such a report recently??? Oh yeah, UFO Magazine, latest ish, a book review that went into detail on the last days of Forrestal. Apparently he WAS a very disturbed man. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Roswell Investigation Date: 8 Jan 92 06:59:00 GMT Jim Speiser writes: > I'd think any holdouts would have come forward long ago. > The total take on a real live piece of a flying saucer > would be a helluva lot more than $100,000. > I'd say offer the money to any Pentagon insider with > documents. Yeah! I just saw that guy on Larry King tonight, who was offered $100,000 for a little piece of Scotch tape with some moon dust on it! A piece of "The Corona Express" should fetch a bigger price than that! -- John -- John Burke - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Texas Camps Date: 8 Jan 92 06:58:00 GMT Kay Mclaughlin asked; > Don, > > On the Chuck Harder Show the other night, I heard a snippet about how > various private pilots(?) have been seeing "concentration type camps"(!) > springing up in the wilds of Texas. I didn't catch the whole thing, but > it sounded weird, he said he was looking into it. > > Heard anything? Kay, like many people researching the UFO field, I have heard various rumors over the years about "detention camps" or "concentration camps" being set up for various "polictical unreliables" in the event of internal U.S. problems. Perhaps some of the various govt. types that inhabit this forum could enlighten us but I will not hold my breath. HOWEVER: I to heard that on the Harder show, so I went investigating my newest version of Ralph McGeHee's CIABASE. The following is what I found, and what McGeHee has included in this fantastic computer database on the various covert agencies. **************************************************************************** DOMESTIC OP COLONEL NORTH AND THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA) DREW UP A PLAN TO SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION, IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW, AND LOCK UP SOME 400,000 CENTRAL AMERICAN REFUGEES IN THE EVENT OF A PRESIDENTIAL DECLARATION OF A STATE OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY. MJ 3/88 P12, 15-6 ALSO SEE MJ 4/88 P60 FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, FEMA. SHEEHAN OF CHRISTIC INSTITUTE LEARNED THAT THE ADMINISTRATION PLANS TO LOCK UP 400, 000 CENTRAL AMERICANS REFUGEES IF THE PRESIDENT DECLARED A "STATE OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY" AT THE SAME TIME HE ORDERED AMERICAN TROOPS INTO ACTION IN CENTRAL AMERICA. FEMA TO COORDINATE OP. FEMA HEADED BY LOUIS GIUFFRIDA. FEMA WOULD USE 50 STATE NATIONAL GUARD ORGANIZATIONS AND NEWLY FORMED "STATE DEFENSE FORCES." PLANS TO FIGHT A NUCLEAR WAR INCLUDED FEMA. FEMA LABORED OVER SCHEMES TO EVACUATE URBAN POPULATION. NORTH WORKED DILIGENTLY ON ONE PORTION PLAN, THE SUSPENSION OF THE CONSTITUTION AND THE IMPOSITION OF MARTIAL LAW. OOC 92, 113, MIAMI HERALD 7/5/87 OLIVER NORTH HELPED THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA) DRAFT A CLANDESTINE SCHEME TO IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW IN CASE OF NUCLEAR WAR, INSURRECTION, OR MASSIVE MILITARY MOBILIZATION. FEMA'S CRISIS MANAGEMENT PLAN WAS SIDETRACKED WHEN ATTORNEY GENERAL SMITH RAISED OBJECTIONS. PRO 9/87 P4 REAGAN AIDES OPERATED A VIRTUAL GVT OUTSIDE THE TRADITIONAL CABINET DEPARTMENTS. ACTIVITIES INCLUDED: A CONTINGENCY PLAN TO SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION AND IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW IN CASE OF NUCLEAR WAR OR NATIONAL REBELLION TO BE ADMINISTERED BY THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY (FEMA); DISSEMINATION OF INFO THAT CAST NICARAGUA AS A THREAT TO ITS NEIGHBORS; CREATION IN 80 OF OCTOBER SURPRISE GROUP TO MONITOR PRES CARTER'S NEGOTIATIONS WITH IRAN FOR THE RELEASE OF 52 HOSTAGES. OLIVER NORTH WAS AT THE HEART OF THE GROUP. IN 11/ 81 THE CIA FLEW ARGENTINA MILITARY LEADER GEN LEOPOLDO GALTIERI TO D.C. TO DEVISE A SECRET AGREEMENT FOR ARGENTINA TO TRAIN NICARAGUAN REBELS. MIAMI HERALD, 7/5/87 A1,14 LAW NORTH'S PLAN TO SUSPEND CONSTITUTION AND IMPOSE MARTIAL LAW IN EVENT NATIONAL CRISES IN "OPPOSITION TO U.S. MILITARY INVASION ABROAD." CONTROL OF U.S. TO BE TURNED OVER TO FEMA. CT 42 ************************************************************************ So, we can now see that FEMA appears to be ONE of the bogeymen at the heart of the problem. I wonder if they also handle UFOs? Don -- Don Ecker - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: Momentous Occasion Date: 9 Jan 92 04:53:00 GMT > In addition to wishing you all a Happy New Year, it is also my > distinct pleasure to wish you all a > > HAPPY 6TH ANNIVERSARY OF PARANET! > > > Here's to another memorable year of the world's most intelligent > online conversations on the paranormal! HAPPY 6TH ANNIVERSARY - LIVE LONG AND PROSPER PARANET! And you, too, Michael! Thanks for everything. Vlad -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: Australian Computer Book Date: 9 Jan 92 05:57:00 GMT > I attempted today to call the numbers you supplied for Dynamo > House to order a copy of the book. I didn't get through and got > the same message both times about checking the number before > calling again, so I assume the numbers are somehow incorrect (I > checked my dialing carefully). > > Do you know if the numbers are incorrect? If so, do you have > the new ones? Thanks. Mark, I just polled Paranet and got your message. I then called Telecom Australia Overseas telephone assistance and told them about your problem. They told me that you should NOT dial 03 (this is our internal interstate accesss number) because that only applies to people calling within Australia. I know I've had similar problems with our nodelist telephone number. My code here in Cairns is 070 but on our nodelist we have to drop first 0 and just have 70. Well, I don't know why we have all these complications. Anyway, this is what you should dial: 011 - 61 - 3 - 427 - 0955 or 011 - 61 - 3 - 428 - 3636. and , of course, fax number should be changed accordingly. I did not put in my original message international access code (011) because I am sure people in the USA know that. Sorry about it Mark. BTW - did you get my netmail message re the book, I posted about a week ago? It refers to Jerry Clark and the book. I'll be polling again next Saturday evening (our time) and perhaps you can let me know then. Thanks. Vladimir -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: UFO RESEARCH IN AUSTRALIA & NEW ZEALAND digital book info Date: 9 Jan 92 06:15:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Info.paranet" * Originally from Vladimir Godic * Originally dated 12-22-91 23:42 The book is available directly from: DYNAMO HOUSE Pty Ltd PO BOX 110 RICHMOND VIC 3121 AUSTRALIA TEL: 61- 03-427- 0955 or 61- 03-428- 3636 Fax: 61- 03- 429- 8036 __________________________________________________________________ MARK RODEGHIER FROM CUFOS ADVISED HE COULD NOT DIAL THE ABOVE TELEPHONE NUMBERS. I HAVE CHECKED WITH TELECOM AUSTRALIA AND THEY TOLD ME THAT "0" IN FRONT OF "03" SHOULD BE DROPPED. "0" IS OUR INTERNAL ACCESS CODE AND IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO CALLS WITHIN AUSTRALIA. THE CORRECT NUMBERS ARE: 011-61-3-427-0955 or 011-61-3-428-3636 Also please adjust FAX numbers accordingly. I have included this time you international access code as well. Sorry about it - I didn't know. Vlad Godic COST: Australian $ 30.00 plus postage POSTAGE: Air mail to U.S.A. $2.50 (Australian) Air mail to U.K. $3.00 (Australian) The book can be purchased on VISA credit card, or cheque, (in Australian currency) and will be despatched by return mail. Within Australia the above price applies but at local postal rates. For any further enquiries please contact me direct or, if you prefer, contact the publisher. -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: udel.edu!thomas%mvac23.uucp Subject: Diffraction for viewing UFOs Date: 8 Jan 92 22:44:08 GMT From: Thomas Lapp In some earlier messages, people were talking about using a spectroscope to break out a light source into frequencies to see if the light was from a known type of source. A diffraction grating will do the same thing and is easy to use. In fact, my latest Edmund Scientific catalog came today and offers the following in terms of diffraction gratings: 8 1/2 x 11 inch sheet -- A40,267 $7.30 3-D-type glasses with gratings instead of coloured lenses are 5-pair for $6.95 (A42319) Cardboard mounted slides (ie. 35mm slides) are available too: 15 for $14.50 (A1307) or 25 for $19.95 (A39502). tel for E.S is +1-609-573-6879. (disclaimer: I've ordered from'em, but not related to 'em). When taking a physics class I was given one of the cardboard slide gratings. It works really well, and you can easily see the difference between sodium vapor and incandescent and mercury vapor at long distances. We used them in the lab with flourescent tubes made from specific gases to see their makeup visually. - tom -- internet : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu or thomas%mvac23@udel.edu (home) : 4398613@mcimail.com (work) OSI : C=US/A=MCI/S=LAPP/D=ID=4398613 uucp : {ucbvax,mcvax,uunet}!udel!mvac23!thomas Location : Newark, DE, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mark Rodeghier) Subject: Australian Computer Book Date: 9 Jan 92 00:57:01 GMT Vladimir: Thanks for the quick reply. I did get your message about the one copy of the book that was promised to Jerry Clark, which we thank you for. We need two copies because Jerry isn't in Chicago and has no plans to return soon. I'll dial the number without the internal access code and order our other copy soon. Mark -- Mark Rodeghier - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mark.Rodeghier@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Nephilim Date: 9 Jan 92 01:32:00 GMT Hi Carl, Thanks for message! I've read 2 1/2 of Sitchin's book. Loved GENESIS REVISITED. Thanks for tip on Campbell's books. I know his material was a hit a few years ago, but, at the time, I wasn't "into all this." Regards, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Radio Isotopes Found In Corn Date: 9 Jan 92 04:09:01 GMT In a message to All <06-Jan-92 12:15> Robert Trevelyan wrote: RT> I have just heard that some samples of corn were taken from RT> one of the Beckhampton 'fish' formations in 1991 by Michael RT> Chorost on his visit to the UK. On his return to the USA RT> these were passed on to Marshal Dudley for analysis and were RT> found to contain 13 radio isotopes. Robert, as an important point of clarification here, the samples Michael provided Marshall with were "soil", not "corn" as stated. The 13 short-lived radonuclides observed were: Gold-194, Lead-203, Europium-146, Tellurium-119m (m=metastable), Thallium-202, Iodine-126, Bismuth-205, Vanadium-48, Protactinium-230, Ytterbium-169, Yttrium-88, Rhodium-102, Rhodium-102m. None but Gold-194 and Thallium-202 were observed in the control. RT> Dutron [sp] was found, a proton/neutron highbrid I'm told, and RT> contained heavy nitrogen. No Robert, "Deuteron Activation" is the method of radonuclide synthesis posited by Dudley and Chorost to have generated the aforementioned isotopes. NO DUTRON [sic], (I believe you mean deuteron) was detected in the samples! Deuterium is a hydrogen atom which contains the addition of 1 neutron to its nucleus. Regular hydrogen consists of 1 proton and 1 electron. Deuterium is also called "heavy hydrogen" NOT "nitrogen". The "deuteron" is the nucleus of the deuterium atom, which is regarded as a single subatomic particle. RT> This type of isotope does not occur naturally and could RT> not be created without a lenear accelerator similar to the one RT> at Stanford. Incorrect...this isotope IS naturally occurring in sea-water in a ratio of approximately 1:6500, and is a stable atomic species. Finally, there are other potential problems with the data. The short-lived radonuclides described are from only ONE formation, and there was only ONE control sample taken. Additionally, the gamma spectroscopy peaks observed could have been decoded incorrectly. Gamma spec data is difficult to interpret. Lastly, if deuteron activation was the method by which the 13 isotopes were created, there should also have been additional isotopes detected that were absent in the samples. What we now have is some intriguingly suggestive data which has yet to be corroborated, but Dudley and Chorost are deserving of great praise for the work they've accomplished thus far. -= Sheldon =- @ FamilyNet International Echogate FIDO 1:11/50 -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: udel.edu!thomas%mvac23.uucp Subject: Responses to several messages Date: 9 Jan 92 06:37:50 GMT From: Thomas Lapp Responses to several messages which appeared in the 7 Jan 92 issue of the paranet digest, which appears to have messages from Christmas week. + From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) + Subject: Suicides? + Date: 20 Dec 91 04:50:01 GMT + + In a message to Vladimir Godic <17-Dec-91> Jim Greenen wrote: + + JG> In America, there is a high percentage of researchers in UFOs + JG> and government secrets that commit suicide.... I think I could find some reasoning for this, if the facts do indeed come out this way. The main reason that most of us don't commit suicide is that 1. fear of pain greater than desire to die and 2. religious teachings against it. I could easily see that if a UFO researcher believed very much in his topic, he could come to the conclusion of an athiest, and also conclude that there is no 'penalty' to self-inflicted death (unlike many religions which teach that there is a penalty of some type for doing so). Does this make a plausible reason? + From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) + Subject: Gulg Breeze Gifs. + Date: 13 Dec 91 06:07:00 GMT + + In a msg of <01 Dec 91>, Don Allen writes to Jim Speiser: + + DA> To convert a GIF for posting on the Net requires that you must first + DA> uuencode it from an 8 bit file format to a 7 bit ASCII text format so + DA> it can be transmitted around the world intact in message format. + + It's better to install a tick-file echo... This would be fine for files going only to other echo sites, but since files may be transmitted across gateways to other networks (internet, compuserve, etc) uuencoding makes sense. Gateways have a tendency to not work real well with 8-bit data, but almost all will pass the ASCII set, which is what makes up uuencoded files. - tom -- internet : mvac23!thomas@udel.edu or thomas%mvac23@udel.edu (home) : 4398613@mcimail.com (work) OSI : C=US/A=MCI/S=LAPP/D=ID=4398613 uucp : {ucbvax,mcvax,uunet}!udel!mvac23!thomas Location : Newark, DE, USA -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Suicides? Date: 7 Jan 92 22:36:00 GMT Hi Mike. Interesting about Blank Check & Forrestall's paranoia. I haven't read the book -- does Weiner cite any sources for his information? I understand the family has refused to say anything about the death in the past. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Texas Camps Date: 7 Jan 92 15:20:00 GMT * Replying to a message originally to Don Ecker KM> Don, KM> KM> On the Chuck Harder Show the other night, I heard a snippet KM> about how KM> various private pilots(?) have been seeing "concentration KM> type camps"(!) KM> springing up in the wilds of Texas. I didn't catch the KM> whole thing, but KM> it sounded weird, he said he was looking into it. This sounds suspiciously like the REX-84 Bravo plan (FEMA) plan.. What's that you ask? I have this snippet handy: SECRET CONCENTRATION CAMPS The September issue of THE OSTRICH reprinted a story from the CBA BULLETIN which listed the following principal civilian concentra- tion camps established in GULAG USA under the =Rex '84= program: Ft. Chaffee, Arkansas; Ft. Drum, New York; Ft. Indian Gap, Penn- sylvania; Camp A. P. Hill, Virginia; Oakdale, California; Eglin Air Force Base, Florida; Vendenberg AFB, California; Ft. Mc Coy, Wisconsin; Ft. Benning, Georgia; Ft. Huachuca, Arizona; Camp Krome, Florida. The February OSTRICH printed a map of the expanding Gulag. Alhough this listing and map stirred considerable interest, the report was not new. For at least 20 years, knowledgeable Patriots have been warning of these sinister plots to incarcerate dissidents opposing plans of the =Elitist Syndicate= for a totalitarian =New World Order=. Indeed, the plot was recognized with the insidious encroachment of "regionalism" back in the 1960's. As early as 1968, the "greatest land steal in history" leading to global corporate socialism, was in a ="Master Land Plan"= for the United States by =Executive Orders= involving water resource regions, population movement and control, pollution control, zoning and land use, navigation and environmental bills, etc. Indeed, the real undercover aim of the so-called "Environmental Rennaissance" has been the abolition of private property. All prelude to the total grab of the =World Conservation Bank=, as THE OSTRICH has been reporting. The map on this page and the list of executive orders available for imposition of an "emergency" are from 1970s files of the late Gen. =P. A. Del Valle's= ALERT, sent us by =Merritt Newby=, editor of the now defunct AMERICAN CHALLENGE. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Texas isn't mentioned in here that I could see. But then this text is a bit old. Curious though.. Don -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Re: Colds Date: 8 Jan 92 01:06:02 GMT LB> Hi Jim, LB> LB> You seem to have a good attitude towards women, and I like LB> that! LB> LB> My cold still lingers...I just ate half a pound LB> cake...weird cravings when I'm sick. My husband was eating LB> pretzels, pickles, and green olives when he was sick last LB> week! (honest!) LB> LB> Take care! LB> LB> Linda I am going to get killed for this but I think women are superior to men in most everything. The pretzels goes real good with the beer and the olive is for the martini but can't for the sake of me figure out what he was drinking to compliment the pickles???? ---Grin--- He hasn't been getting sick in the mornings, has he??? --... ...-- <<< JIM >>> -- Jim Greenen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers Subject: Keith's paper Date: 9 Jan 92 13:45:39 GMT From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) For Keith Basterfield: The latest Skeptical Inquirer (vol.16, #2, winter 1992, p.188) has a short review of your paper on abductees. Barring typo's and special fonts which I can't transmit, I've reproduced it verbatim below. Is it a fair and accurate summary of your and your colleagues findings and conclusions? Bartholomew, Robert E., Keith Basterfield, and George S. Howard. 'UFO Abductees and Contactees: Psychopathology or Fantasy Proneness?' Professional Psychology: Research and Practice 22(3): 215-222. 1991. Study of a sample of 152 UFO contactees and abductees finds that 132 have characteristics of the fantasy-prone personality (FPP). Although they appear to function as normal, healthy adults, the authors say, FPP's experience rich fantasy lives and score dramatically higher than control groups on such characteristics as hypnotic susceptibility, religious visions and apparitional experiences. They suggest clinicians consider testing contactees and abductees for fantasy proneness. This sounds like a fascinating study, to say the least. --- John -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: violet.berkeley.edu!chalmers Subject: Delphos Chemical, Hieronymous, etc. Date: 9 Jan 92 13:45:52 GMT From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) Reply to Jim Speiser: The description of the chemical that Faruk found at the Delphos site is consistent with ordinary soap (Ivory, etc., not synthetic detergents). Soaps are the sodium and potassium salts of stearic, palmitic, oleic, and other medium to long chain fatty acids. Such substances are common in nature and are essential components and metabolic intermediates of virtually all organisms. Most of the fats, oils, and waxes of plant, animal, and microbial origin are esters of fatty acids. The free acids are released upon digestion and decomposition and free fatty acids would form salts with metallic ions in the soil and very possibly with reagents and buffers during Faruk's analysis. Other metal ions also form soaps: insoluble calcium and magnesium soaps form as 'scum' when one adds soap to hard water. Lithium soaps are used in greases and other fatty acid derivatives are widely used in industry and industrial products. While saturated fatty acids and their derivatives are reasonably stable in the absence of microbial degradation, unsaturated fatty acids react with oxygen to become rancid (peroxides, aldehydes, etc.). Some unsaturated oils (drying oils such as linseed) polymerize to higher molecular weight materials. Fatty acids are also intermediates in the microbial oxidation of petroleum products. My own experience with using unleaded gasoline to kill fire ants in my yard indicates that grass does not grow on the treated soil for up to a year after application. If gasoline, diesel fuel, paint thinner, etc. were spread on the ground, it might take several years for vegetation to grow back completely. So, I don't see how the presence of fatty acid salts per se at a site is evidence for ET visitation or other paranormal activity. I'll try to find a copy of JUFOS. Yes. Stine has a section on 'symbolic Hieronymous machines' where the innards in the box were replaced by a drawing of the the circuit diagram, though the prism, antenna, goniometer and pad were retained as the interface. Both he and Campbell claim positive results. Stine's book is a good source, even if one doesn't agree with him. He has also written a good book on model rocketry. There was a short garble in my description of George Van Tassell's 'integratron' for which Hieronymous made electrical parts. I intended to say that the structure was first presented as a time travel device and later as an apparatus for healing. 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