Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 524 Monday, January 20th 1992 Today's Topics: Doug and Dave UFORA Book Re: Cis Message Amazon Question Deuterium David Jacobs is back! Re: Maitreya 2/2 Mysticism Re: Maitreya 1/2 (none) Anomalies in the Andes Puerto Rico (none) Re: Texas Camps Re: Texas Camps 11:11 hieronymous Re: New Planets? Green Meteors Map Puerto Rico AUSSIE CROP CIRCLE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Doug and Dave Date: 10 Jan 92 04:44:00 GMT Colin Andrews even made it to little old Adelaide! However, I have not heard from anyone in Oz that Doug and Dave made it here. -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: UFORA Book Date: 12 Jan 92 03:47:00 GMT Mark, I phoned Dynamo publishers a couple of days ago but there was no answer. I then rang the manager at his home and his wife told me they are still on vacation till January 20. However, she said you can order the book by fax. Just leave your name, address and Visa card number and they'll despatch the book as soon as they get back to work. Regards, Vlad -- Vladimir Godic - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Cis Message Date: 11 Jan 92 15:35:01 GMT >Got your message and the address, I started making up a package >of articles for you. Should be leaving the office UPS on Monday >or Tuesday. Hi Pete, Great news!! I reposted on CIS this morning and then called your BBS too, just in case (the line on this BBS was busy so I didn't see your message here first.) Sorry for the repetition! But many, many thanks for the reply. Please ignore the duplicate messages that now will clutter your mail ! > >As usual note the time on the message. a few hours sleep and >here I am at the keyboard again. For a change I'm at home not >the office. Re the time, I'm usually at it early myself, starting work around 3:30 or so in the dark-time. Actually it's a great time to work or to BBS because for the former there are fewer interruptions and no phone calls from cemetary plot salesmen (no offense any of you out there who read this and follow that "calling"), and for the latter, there seems to be less of a problem with line noise. --Gee, they let you play computers at work too? What a deal! ;-) > >Nothing new on West who says the sphinx is much older than >generally accepted. How many days until 11:11? I'm not too >concerned as time and the dates are all man made and have >nothing to do with the cosmic relationships. The Sphinx thing is really interesting...haven't seen anything new myself, but am hoping. Did you see the UFONS clips on that? Pretty good detail. I agree about the dates -- manmade concepts are not material in cosmic arenas. Remember the Russell, Kansas, pair, Butts and Corder, who got their UFO info and catastrophe predictions from "Peter/Cephas" the angel? He kept getting the dates wrong and when they were pressed to ask him why he couldn't get it right when he's supposed to be able to see it all as if reading a book forward and backward, he said our earth times were not relevant to real time and it was easy to make errors in the translation (gist of it - not literally what was reported.) So if Peter the Great can goof, why not the others for the same reason? ;-) Thanks so much for the reply. I'll be eager to see the packet and happy to reimburse postage too. ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Amazon Question Date: 11 Jan 92 15:45:02 GMT > > of people in South America. > You've read Tristan Jones?!!! Wow! > I met him about nine years ago in Key West; kept the beer >coming and he kept the stories coming. Amazing guy! Maybe the >fact that I was a scuzzy sailor helped. ;-) > Now that you mention it, I remember something about the >fair-skinned people too. I *think* it may have been in >_Adrift_, but it's been so long since I've read his books I >don't remember. Hi John, Yep, I'm a big fan of Jones' books. I'd read the first couple before the article in Writer's Digest that told how he wrote while at sea and showed a photo of him in the cabin, perched over a typewriter -- has forever humbled me (any time I grump about not having time or comforts for writing, I think of him trying to write in at-sea conditions _and getting it done!_ and I shut up again!) I've read most of his books and now that you mention _Adrift_ I'll recheck..probably was that one. I didn't finish a couple of the more technical books, but thoroughly enjoyed all the rest. What a wonderful time you must've had quaffing brews with a storyteller like that! I've often thought how great that would be. And, actually I owe Tristan Jones a debt. His books were the spur that made a very great change in our lives (my husband and me, that is) and we've said many times if he's ever around and available, we'll buy him a drink anytime. (Getting to talk to him too would be gravy!) Probably people like him don't realize what they do for their readers, but I've read other people who said they got their inspiration or courage or will or whatever from reading TJ's books, that his quiet determination and willpower was so inspiring they gained new perspective on their own little problems and were able to overcome them. From the way he writes, I would guess he wouldn't like such "frou-frou" talk, but nevertheless, he's done a lot of good for a lot of people by just telling his stories in unvarnished, straightforward and honest fashion. Ah, a fellow Jones fan, 'tis great indeed! (If I can find the reference, I'll let you know...try to post the page, etc. and quote.) BTW, I didn't realize you were a serious sailor. One assumes anyone near H2O is some kind of waterbug, but being one who can share the company of a T.Jones is quite something else again. Wow! ** ^^^^^^<________>^^^^^^ ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Deuterium Date: 12 Jan 92 05:40:01 GMT In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <09-Jan-92 09:51> Pete Porro wrote: PP> Isn't Deuterium usually known as heavy water? (H3O used in PP> reactors) Or am I confusing Deuterium Oxide with what you are PP> writing about? Hi Pete... Deuterium is "heavy hydrogen", Deuterium Oxide (D20) is the "heavy water" you refer to. Elemental hydrogen consists of a single proton nucleus orbited by one electron, whereas isotopic deuterium contains the addition of one neutron to the hydrogen nucleus. The deuteron is the nucleus of the deuterium atom, sans the electron. We'll be hearing a great deal about the "D" word in the coming months re: CC research. Time will tell if there is a valid correlation. Take care, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: David Jacobs is back! Date: 12 Jan 92 19:19:00 GMT Just an announcement to let everyone know that David Jacobs is back with us on the ParaNet Adbuctions Conference. Internetters can request the daily list by sending your request to abduct-request@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu. As most of you know, David is the author of an excellent reference book, The UFO Controversy in America. He is also working on an upcoming book on abductions. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Maitreya 2/2 Date: 12 Jan 92 20:21:00 GMT Hi Don, Help! My first instinct, when reading what you just posted, it to run in panic! I don't want to have anything to do with such people with such notions. It makes me dizzy, and IMHO, anyone who finds comfort in such droolings, is lost! Thanks for posting! All this means to me is that for hundreds of years, people (some people) have been looking for a Hero to rescue them. Didn't the Germans see Hitler as such a Hero? Does George Bush see himself as such a Hero when he talked of The New World Order? Some of the hard-liner Contactees see Aliens as "Space Brothers"--Heroes who will save them. The sad thing is that these Heroes take away too many of our freedoms and turn us into mindless creatures. Coming down off my soap box, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) Subject: Mysticism Date: 6 Jan 92 07:40:00 GMT Hello Mike! In a msg of <21 Dec 91>, Mike Dennis writes to All: MD> In reference to telepathic communication, Dr. Barbara Young wishes to MD> correspond on the following subjects. MD> 1. Are you interested in training for telepathic communication. MD> 2. Remote viewing. MD> 3. Movement through time. MD> 4. mystical training. MD> a) Excaliber sword. MD> 5. Attainment of knowledge beyond what is written. Oh yes, please. I'm very interested. Any good and easy ideas? cheers Andre +--------------------------------------------------------+ | FidoNet-Berlin, the UFO information service in Berlin | | FidoNet 2:245/10, GerNet 222:100/29, ParaNet 91:1021/2 | | +49-30-7919269 HST/V32/V42B 14.400 bps | | Sysop: Andre Eichner | +--------------------------------------------------------+ -- Andre Eichner - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Andre.Eichner@f10.n245.z2.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Re: Maitreya 1/2 Date: 13 Jan 92 06:45:00 GMT DA> |=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=|=| DA> He has been expected for generations by all of the major religions. DA> Christians know Him as the Christ, and expect His imminent return. The DA> Jews await Him as the Messiah; the Hindus look for the coming of DA> ! Origin: PARANET//UFINET//BAMA//UFO_LINK (407)649-4136 (1:363/29) Come on, Don. Even for you... this "Hal Gurney's Network Bandwidth Wasters" series is a low blow... ...I think. ;-) -- Steve Rose - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ecn.purdue.edu!lush Subject: (none) Date: 13 Jan 92 20:39:17 GMT From: lush@ecn.purdue.edu (Gregory B Lush) Subject: Anomalies in the Andes ? Hmmm, indeed. Actually, some of the most interesting stuff is underwater on ? the U.S. Costal Shelf, around Bermuda and the Caribbean islands, and in the ? Gulf of Mexico. I seem to recall the discovery of a well-preserved stone ? staircase leading down to a beach on the Yucatan. ? ? But the beach is now 150' underwater, the stairs begin almost 100' underwater, ? and they clearly correspond to sea levels of B.C. 20,000. ? ? There's a similar anomaly just below Mancu Picu in the Andes: a stairway leads ? down to the beach. The beach is at about 11,000 feet elevation, and seems to ? have been there before the Mountains rose to their present height! In fact the ? whole city of Mancu Picu has been 'undatable' according to some sources, ? because it was virtually earthquake-proof (until the Conquistadores removed ? the flexible silver braces from the buildings). ? ? Best, ? Clark What are your sources, Clark? Thanks Greg (lush@ecn.purdue.edu) -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Winn.Schwartau@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Winn Schwartau) Subject: Puerto Rico Date: 14 Jan 92 07:09:00 GMT Been hearing a couple of rumors: 1. In late Nov early Dec, over Puerto Rico, 2 F-14's played tag with a UFO in front of lots of people AND a TV camera from the local station. I've heard several people talk about it, but no one who has seen/has access to the video. According to Hard Copy production staff, they were outbid for the video by another 'news' organization. 2. The Feds are going to come clean. Been able to trace this to a Dr. Robert Carr at the Univ of Southern Florida who is tied to the Feds somehow. Interested in why I'm as nuts as them or maybe ????? :-) -- Winn Schwartau - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Winn.Schwartau@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: (none) Date: 12 Jan 92 23:10:00 GMT nn> Dr. John Coleman is an expert in intelligence and is now nn> contributing to the Phoenix Liberator. He wrote an article nn> in the last issue about the Noriega trial. He talked about nn> the weakness of the prosecution's case, the judge's nn> behavior, nn> and how the flow of drugs has increased since he was taken, nn> after steadily decreasing while he was in power. nn> nn> It's well written with some inside information from his nn> own unnamed sources. He also talks about something called nn> the nn> Defoe Report which is unavailable to the public because of nn> 'national security'--it allegedly details Bush's nn> involvement. nn> nn> If any of you would like a copy of the article, nn> I can make copies and send them to you at no cost. Greg..I would love to get a copy of this report. Please send to: Don Allen 1818G Landing Dr. Sanford,Fl 32771 Thanks! Don dona@bilver.uucp -- Don Allen - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kay.Mclaughlin@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kay Mclaughlin) Subject: Re: Texas Camps Date: 10 Jan 92 18:19:00 GMT DE> Kay Mclaughlin asked; > On the Chuck Harder Show the other night, I heard a snippet about how > various private pilots(?) have been seeing "concentration type camps"(!) > springing up in the wilds of Texas. I didn't catch the whole thing, but > it sounded weird, he said he was looking into it. > Heard anything? DE> Kay, like many people researching the UFO field, I have heard various DE> rumors over the years about "detention camps" or "concentration camps" DE> being set up for various "polictical unreliables" in the event of DE> internal U.S. problems. Perhaps some of the various govt. types that DE> inhabit this forum could enlighten us but I will not hold my breath. DE> HOWEVER: DE> I to heard that on the Harder show, so I went investigating my newest DE> version of Ralph McGeHee's CIABASE. The following is what I found, and DE> what McGeHee has included in this fantastic computer database on the DE> various covert agencies. DE> *********************************************************************** Don, Thanks so much, that was exactly the distant bell that rang in my head when I heard the rumor. FEMA, FEMA, FEMA. Bingo! In addition to government types, do we have any pilots here? For some reason "private" pilots were specifically mentioned, nothing said about Commercial Pilots, not sure what that implied. Regards, Kay -- Kay Mclaughlin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kay.Mclaughlin@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kay.Mclaughlin@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Kay Mclaughlin) Subject: Re: Texas Camps Date: 10 Jan 92 18:39:00 GMT KM> On the Chuck Harder Show the other night, I heard a snippet KM> about how KM> various private pilots(?) have been seeing "concentration KM> type camps"(!) KM> springing up in the wilds of Texas. I didn't catch the KM> whole thing, but KM> it sounded weird, he said he was looking into it. DA> This sounds suspiciously like the REX-84 Bravo plan (FEMA) plan.. DA> What's that you ask? DA> I have this snippet handy: DA> SECRET CONCENTRATION CAMPS Don, Thanks, see my previous post to Don E., this is in fact what rang a bell in my cobwebbed brain when I heard it. I also remember a lot of talk, because FEMA had had a difficult time mobilizing relief for Hurricane Hugo, around the time that this story broke. Regards, Kay -- Kay Mclaughlin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Kay.Mclaughlin@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg) Subject: 11:11 Date: 13 Jan 92 09:50:10 GMT > How many days until 11:11? Exactly what date is 11:11 to happen on? Also, does anyone know if 11:11 is only a product of the Phoenix Institute or is it larger than this group? Danny Brandenburg -- Danny Brandenburg - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg) Subject: hieronymous Date: 13 Jan 92 10:04:20 GMT With all of the talk about the hieronymous machines lately, I am still really unsure what the thing is. Could someone easily explain what this thing A) really is B) what it is suppose to do? Thanks much, Danny Brandenburg -- Danny Brandenburg - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danny Brandenburg) Subject: Re: New Planets? Date: 13 Jan 92 10:06:46 GMT Linda, Hi, long time no message (?). About the new planets... Has there been any indication on what the scientists think about the planets actually being there? For instance, theoretically, the planets should have been destroyed in the later stages of the star's development. Why would have these planets still be "hanging" around? Good to be back from break, Danny Brandenburg -- Danny Brandenburg - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Danny.Brandenburg@p0.f1.n606.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Green Meteors Date: 14 Jan 92 20:55:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Mark S Gilstrap * Originally dated 01-13-92 18:03 From: anachem@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu (mark s gilstrap) Date: 13 Jan 92 17:41:05 GMT Organization: Indiana University Message-ID: <1992Jan13.174105.6802@bronze.ucs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors While driving to St Louis early Sat morning, I watched a green meteor in the southern sky. It was just a regular one and all, except that it was green. This reminded me of the tales my father had of two particular ones he had seen. In addition to regular green meteors he had seen, two others were something special, and he always communicated a sense of awe when relating the stories. One in particular (in the 50's) was so slow moving and so long lasting that he was sure it was not a meteor. It was also seen across the continent by many people. I think it was this that led him to want to attend the KC UFO club meetings in the early sixties. I don't recall the theories he had or had heard about these or the details that made people think they were not meteors. Can someone tell me more about the reasons people did (and still do?) place emphasis on these slow-moving celestial events? -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Map Date: 15 Jan 92 02:40:00 GMT Hello someone..... Somebody asked about a map showing the 12th planet (or something like that) and I blithered that I had a copy of it and would be happy to sent it out. Well, unfortunately, the flu bug had my Brain that day, and I now can't remember who wanted the map. I *thought* I save the message as well as that kind person's address, but there musta been a virus in the computer as WELL! So, whoever you are, will you please write again, and accept my humble apologies? Thanks! Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Puerto Rico Date: 14 Jan 92 16:44:52 GMT In a message to Anyone <14 Jan 92 00:09> Winn Schwartau wrote: WS> Been hearing a couple of rumors: WS> 1. In late Nov early Dec, over Puerto Rico, 2 F-14's WS> played tag with a UFO in front of lots of people AND a TV camera WS> from the local station. I've heard several people talk about it, WS> but no one who has seen/has access to the video. According to WS> Hard Copy production staff, they were outbid for the video by WS> another 'news' organization. There HAS been a major flap in Puerto Rico, and I did hear of a possible plane chase, but nothing that recent. The people at UFO Magazine might know more. WS> 2. The Feds are going to come clean. Been able to trace WS> this to a Dr. Robert Carr at the Univ of Southern Florida who is WS> tied to the Feds somehow. This fellow Carr has been making this claim for literally decades. He seems to be a wacko, tied into the Deep Blue rumor mill (underground bases, face-eating aliens, etc.) I wouldn't pay much attention. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: AUSSIE CROP CIRCLE Date: 11 Jan 92 22:01:00 GMT GIGANTIC CROP CIRCLE DISCOVERED IN SOUTH AUSTRALIA! TO BE SHOWN SHORTLY ON U.S. TV! Last night's TV news carried an item about the discovery of a complex, gigantic wheat paddock crop circle in the south-east of South Australia-my home state. Sorry, folks, it's a man made one created for a U.S. car maker's advertising campaign. Apparently it looks like the Buick car emblem and the US film producers came "down under" as it is crop season here. The TV news item said it will be shown in the US within 2 weeks-keep an eye out! -- Keith Basterfield - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************