Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 529 Sunday, January 26th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Re: AMAZON QUESTION Re: DELPHOS, DEUTERIUM, Amazon Question Delphos Samples Re: Tunnels in Utah Re: Wackenhut Re: Tunnels in Utah Budd Hopkins Aussie Crop Circle Aussie Circles Siberia and Circles FEMA Re: Wackenhut Lucifer, Satan & Prometheus Re: Cis Message Re: Amazon Question Amazon Question Amazon Question Latest Magazines Re: Wackenhut ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: AMAZON QUESTION Date: 21 Jan 92 17:55:46 GMT I won't mention TJ again, just had to jump in with the news bit. Now what about this Amazon thing? I'm lost at sea. I saw John's message about it being available from CIS, maybe I can do some night work and collect it, if I have more key words to search for, or topics. As for Lemura and Atlantis, the debate will go on until someone finds it. Which in my opinion means the debate will go on forever. (sorry I forgot MU also) There are common myths that seem to repeat around the world, in various cultures. Many are for instruction and wisdom. A very wise person in explaining religion has one definition which is, "The wisdom of the tribe." I think this is universal in cultures that the wisdom of the tribe is somehow carried from generation to generation. It makes sense to pass on knowledge through myths and legends, which may or may not be related to real events. Don't even ask me to debate religion itself, I am only speaking of the purposes and cultural implications. Why not have a visitor from space that comes down in a flaming ship to give something, or to give a message? Wouldn't that make him more powerful than land based prophets? Comets, meteors, and the like are recent discoverys as far as understanding what they are. (considering the history of mankind) Take the timeline we all know and love, which explains that homo erectus has been here about 2 seconds compared to the age of the planet. Dinosaurs were extinct 50 million years before our ancestors. When I look in this perspective, life itself changes meaning. Why did I just write all that anyway? Well lets just say that allegorical wisdom has a purpose, and it might have some basis in fact. Most of the time the story is more important than the fact that it has no basis in historical reality. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: DELPHOS, DEUTERIUM, Date: 21 Jan 92 18:01:41 GMT After all the spelling was corrected, I got the point and re-organized my thoughts. The only part that still bothers me is (as I said 25 years ago) Duterium Oxide was H3O. Maybe the symbols have changed, or those related brain cells are no longer with me? Thanks for the clear answer to set me straight. I'm so thirsty I could really go for a glass of heavy water. -- Pete Porro - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Amazon Question Date: 23 Jan 92 04:15:03 GMT > that in the one book -- the first leg, I mean I'm pretty sure it was bone cancer. jbh -- John Hicks - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Delphos Samples Date: 22 Jan 92 20:35:01 GMT In a message to All <21 Jan 92 12:10> ncar!mrc-crc.ac.uk!sgambl wrote: nc> Erol is a member of BUFORA and one of my Trace analysis team, so I nc> can pick up the comments and pass on. Good! Please feel free to do so. I assume you know which comments I'm talking about, the ones from John Chalmers, regarding the possible chemical basis for the Delphos soil samples? Jim -- Jim Speiser - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@p666.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Tunnels in Utah Date: 23 Jan 92 04:20:00 GMT Hi David, Years ago I read some Cayce books. I don't recall the Mayra people, who you said once lived in the southwest (according to Edgar Cayce). Can you supply us with more background on this? Thanks, and regards, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: neptune.convex.com!swarren Subject: Re: Wackenhut Date: 23 Jan 92 16:47:59 GMT From: swarren@neptune.convex.com (Steve Warren) +From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) +Subject: Wackenhut +Date: 17 Jan 92 02:46:00 GMT [...] +PER HAMILTON, BRIAN, WHO RUNS UPI, ALLEGEDLY MARKETED PROMIS TO INTEL AGENCIES +OF ISRAEL, JORDAN, IRAQ, CANADA, SOUTH KOREA, LIBYA, ENGLAND, GERMANY, FRANCE, ^^^^ +AUSTRALIA, THAILAND, JAPAN, CHILE, GUATEMALA, AND BRAZIL. PER INSLAW, ONCE +SOFTWARE USED BY FOREIGN INTEL SERVICES, NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY (NSA) ABLE +INFILTRATE COMPUTERIZED INTEL FILES THOSE COUNTRIES. MODIFICATIONS TO PROMIS +ALLEGEDLY DONE BY WACKENHUT CORP. OF CORAL GABLES, FL. HOUSE JUDICIARY +COMMITTEE [...] I find this very interesting, as I just read an article a few days ago in which some US armed services officials were bragging that one of the factors in the victory over Iraq was that we were able to slip a virus into the software that controls their radar systems. That is not independent verification of the above story, but it does reveal that our government is definitely involved in tampering with the software that is used in sensitive operations by other countries. _. --Steve ._||__ Welcome to the World's First GaAs Supercomputer Warren v\ *| ----------------------------------------------- V -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Tunnels in Utah Date: 23 Jan 92 04:20:00 GMT Hi David, Years ago I read some Cayce books. I don't recall the Mayra people, who you said once lived in the southwest (according to Edgar Cayce). Can you supply us with more background on this? Thanks, and regards, Linda -- Linda Bird - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Budd Hopkins Date: 23 Jan 92 22:59:00 GMT As you already know from a previous posting, Budd Hopkins will be MICAP's guest for a series of lectures in Denver next week. In the past, ParaNet has offered an opportunity to ask researchers like Budd Hopkins questions. I will be spending a considerable amount of time with Budd during that week, and would like to call for your questions. Please post them here and I will compile them to a hard copy list to be used in an interview that I will do with Budd. The deadline is next Tuesday, January 28th. I will post the results shortly after the following week. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Aussie Crop Circle Date: 24 Jan 92 02:57:02 GMT In a message to All <18-Jan-92 13:45> Keith Basterfield wrote: KB> "The Age" Newspaper, Melbourne, Victoria. 31/12/91. Hi Keith...what variety of newspaper is "The Age"? Sounds like a tabloid. KB> Mr Andrews visited Australia recently and last month spent some KB> time on the Jolly property. "I assure you it's fair dinkum," he KB> says. "No person could re-create them, or flatten a crop like KB> that." Now where have we heard that before?!?! BTW Keith, I'm really looking forward to that Buick crop circle commercial. We could all use a good laugh. Take care, -- Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Aussie Circles Date: 24 Jan 92 02:58:03 GMT In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <19-Jan-92 12:21> Bill Chalker wrote: BC> Sheldon, Thanks for your response on this. You have passed on BC> some interesting info. As my polling window is nearly over I'll BC> respond in further detail next time. The pleasure is all mine Bill... and I shall look forward to your response. I don't know if you read the post from Brent Wilcox yesterday, but it appears as though Dudley and Chorost have retracted their article which was to be published next month in the Cerealogist. Apparently, the reported radiation anomalies observed in a British circle may have been nothing more than misinterpreted ambient noise. The details on this development should follow shortly. Chris Rutkowski in Winnipeg sends his regards... and thanks, for your post on the Aussie circles. You can reach Chris on the FIDO UFO echo or netmail him @ 1:348/101. Take care, -- Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brent Wilcox) Subject: Siberia and Circles Date: 23 Jan 92 20:31:26 GMT In a message to Brent Wilcox <22 Jan 92 21:01> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote: >BW> I got a message on another Net from Marshall Dudley explaining >BW> that they've pulled their upcoming article in the Cerealogist. SW> PLEASE!!! Do post anything further you hear on this one. I'm waiting for his permission to repost his whole message here, but I suppose I can paraphrase it. They sent the soil samples to a "National Lab" to have tests run. The Lab provided them with their computer analysis of the data, and this analysis showed several peaks that they interpreted as the anomalous radioisotopes. They stand by that conclusion, based on that data. They didn't have immediate access "for security reasons" to the raw data. BUT when the Lab finally gave them access to the raw data, they found that it didn't support the computer analysis. There were about a hundred peaks, and the "anomalies" became likely artifacts of background noise in the data. There were calibration problems between different machines used in the test, and between the control and the test samples (the test sample was tested at a higher sensitivity than the control). They hope to test the samples again if they can find a more reliable private lab to do the tests under their own scrutiny. They seem to have been victims of bad lab proceedures and their own enthusiasm. At least they discovered the errors themselves. I guess the MUFON article has already been published, but they've retracted the Cerealogist article. SW> A most interesting development. Score 1 more for the skeptics. I'm not really keeping score anymore, I'm just watching how the game is played... -- Brent Wilcox - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Brent.Wilcox@p5.f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: FEMA Date: 24 Jan 92 06:16:00 GMT In a message to Don Allen <10 Jan 92 11:39> Kay Mclaughlin wrote: KM> I also remember a lot of talk, because FEMA had had a difficult time KM> mobilizing relief for Hurricane Hugo, around the time that this story KM> broke. Hmmm. Maybe they had more important things to do? Housing victims of the San Francisco earthquake, for instance. Certainly a high priority would be building emergency housing. In Texas. Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Re: Wackenhut Date: 24 Jan 92 10:02:00 GMT nc>+INFILTRATE COMPUTERIZED INTEL FILES THOSE COUNTRIES. nc>MODIFICATIONS TO PROMIS nc>+ALLEGEDLY DONE BY WACKENHUT CORP. OF CORAL GABLES, FL. nc>HOUSE JUDICIARY nc>+COMMITTEE nc> [...] nc>I find this very interesting, as I just read an article a nc>few days ago in nc>which some US armed services officials were bragging that nc>one of the factors nc>in the victory over Iraq was that we were able to slip a nc>virus into the nc>software that controls their radar systems. I believe the Iraqi radars were Russian, though their command/control tracking may indeed run under ULTRIX or UNIX and be vulnerable to viruses. The PROMIS software, as stolen by Meese/Brian and modified by Michael Riconsuitto at Wackenhut Corp., contains an additional feature that was added to make it more attractive to intelligence agencies & secret police: The stolen PROMISE supports tracking of militia/troop movements (the legitimate INSLAW product contained a module for tracking witnesses/suspects/law-enforcement personnel/evidence/paperwork). This "troop module" served as the back door to the program. The back door allowed US intelligence agencies (NSA/NSC/DIA) to dial into the stolen software systems and download the data bases. Thus the US was able to electronically pilfer information on local dissidents, informers, agents, etc. from the countries that used the pirated PROMIS product. The locally gathered data could then be added to US data bases -- whether or not the secret police agencies of the foreign governments chose to share the info with the US. Dr. Brian sold PROMIS to Hazamat, the Iraqi secret police (also to Libya, Canada, S. Korea, Mossad, etc). No doubt Saddam & his brother found the product to be highly effective in tracking, arresting, and liquidating key Kuwaitis, Shi'ites, Kurds, and Iraqi nationals over the years. (Perhaps Meese, Bryan, and Wackenhut should ask him for a testimonial?) Therefore it is a safe assuption that US intelligence was dialing into Saddam's secret police software system and downloading info on militia movements, Republican Guard movements, etc. I understand that this would have been done thru dial-in ports of the Iraqi computers. So, clearly, as long as the Iraqi phone system worked, SOMEONE had to be IN IRAQ, telephoning into their computers on a regular basis and dumping the most current data as the war progressed. Iraqi switching equipment was closed to most international calls, so I rather doubt we would have been able to dial into the Iraqi computers regularly from *outside* the country. Anyway, as patriotic Americans, I'm sure we can all appreciate the obvious utility of putting important national security tasks like stealing and marketing PROMIS squarely in the pockets of well-connected retired spies and fixers like Brian. Look at it this way -- as long as they're selling stolen software, they're not running drugs, right? (Unless they've got a package deal???) Pleasant dreams! Clark -- Clark Matthews - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: oxy.edu!yokatta Subject: Lucifer, Satan & Prometheus Date: 24 Jan 92 20:31:49 GMT From: yokatta@oxy.edu (Scott Littleton) In his recent comments on the pseudo-Buddhist/New Age figure 'Maitreya,' David Coleman observes that DC>Satan became illegitimately equated with Lucifer, a fallen high spirit, DC>called an angel by the Jews. Note that the Bible refers to them as two DC>distinct entities/concepts, This is correct. However, the 'pedigree' of Lucifer extends far beyond the ancient Judaic tradition. It includes, among other ancient divinities, the Greek deity Prometheus. Both figures are 'light bearers' (Lucifer in Latin literally means 'Light Carrier') and both are rebels against the chiefs of their respective pantheons: Yahweh and Zeus. More specifically, each attempts to endow newly created mankind with knowledge that will set the species apart from other beasts. In the Old Testament, this is symbolized by the Apple in the Garden of Eden, which, in essence, endows Adam with self-awareness; in the Greek tradition it is symbolized by the fire (i.e, the 'light,' most likely a lightning bolt) Prometheus steals from Heaven and given to man, which also symbolizes knowledge--in this case the knowledge of how to transform his environment. I suspect that these figures derived from a single prototype, and that the two stories reflect a common--and very ancient--Near Eastern mythologem. The big difference, of course, is that in the Old Testament version Lucifer's actions (the Serpent is but a disguise) on behalf of humanity were negatively valued and he was forever banished from Heaven, while in the Greek version Prometheus was regarded as a hero, and Zeus eventually forgave him. But it's basically the same story. (Incidently, Pandora plays essentially the same role as Eve in this mythologem and probably derives from the same Near Eastern trickster-goddess figure.) Satan, with whom, as Coleman says, Lucifer was later conflated, seems to have derived from the ancient Iranian archdemon Angra Mainyu (or Ahriman, as he was called in Middle Persian), who was the eternal enemy of Ahura Mazda (or Ormazd)--at least in the cosmology preached by the prophet Zoroaster. Zoroastrian ideas reached the Jews when they were released from captivity in Babylon by Cyrus in 539 B.C.E. The conflation noted above must have begun shortly thereafter--about the same time that Yahweh's divine ancestors, counterparts of whom can be found in almost every other ancient Near Eastern tradition, were expunged from the canon. But to return to the more ancient mythologem--as well as to the thrust of this echo--could the Luciferian/Promethean rebellion myth reflect an internecine conflict of some sort among the ancestors of our ubiquitous, gray-skinned 'visitors,' perhaps over what kind of contact was most appropriate as they consolidated their hold on 'Colony Earth.' One wonders, especially since myths of this sort, though varying widely as to details, are found among the great majority of early civilizations, from Mexico to Japan. In any case, for better or worse, the 'open-and-direct contact' party seems to have lost decisively. Cheers, Scott Littleton -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Cis Message Date: 24 Jan 92 23:13:00 GMT >I read USA today for the sports section, and football is the >only one I follow. They have some interesting articles which I >will miss until next Sept. The one about West and the Pyramids >got clipped and saved. I haven't seen anything on UFO's, but >they do get into some unusual events in depth. When the flight >19 flap was going on they had coverage, which most other >newspapers gave about two inches. I haven't read their football coverage much myself, but I'm a fan of a couple of local columnists who are pretty sharp too...read too many papers now to keep up with them all! The local papers here did have a lot more on Flight 19 (I sent the clips on to Lou Farish at UFONS) but not much about West and the Pyramids. Farish did reprint some good stuff on that in UFONS and, if you haven't already got it, I'll be glad to send you copies to add to your collection. > >I warned someone else not to ask me for things or they would >get three pounds UPS to dig through. 8*) Hey, that's great by me! I'm an info-junkie I guess...not happy unless totally buried in good stuff to read and there is never enough. Thanks, again, very much! (You're welcome to bury me anytime especially with such good material!) :-) ==Peggy== > -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Amazon Question Date: 24 Jan 92 23:16:00 GMT >Now what about this Amazon thing? I'm lost at sea. I saw John's >message about it being available from CIS, maybe I can do some >night work and collect it, if I have more key words to search >for, or topics. > I'll try to send a message (separately, since I can't figure out how to enclose a file here) with the original item so you will have as much as I knew about it. Look for it next. -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Amazon Question Date: 24 Jan 92 23:18:00 GMT > > that in the one book -- the first leg, I mean > I'm pretty sure it was bone cancer. Ah well, that would fit then. Makes sense, and also would fit with losing the other one. Thanks for the update! =Peggy= -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Amazon Question Date: 24 Jan 92 23:20:00 GMT > > The Independent, the paper which was cited as the source of this > > Amazon Discovery story, is available online on Compuserve, but it'd run > > about $11 to get the item > Wooo...don't do that....*expensive*. Maybe it'll turn up in >UFONCS. Good thought -- Lou Farish probably will have it because he does get a lot from England (Tim Good sends bunches of UFO stuff) and maybe this will be in his next issues. If it's not, I'll ask him if he has seen the clips or knows anything more. Thanks for saving me $$$. PS- I checked the local libraries and onlines and nobody carries that paper -- at least no one other than CIS that I've found so far. ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: doc.imperial.ac.uk!aixssc.ibm.co.uk!rob Subject: Latest Magazines Date: 25 Jan 92 01:06:46 GMT From: Robert Trevelyan The latest Cereologist (cerealogist) is now out, No. 5, Winter 1991/92 and The Circular arrived today so subscribers to these will see them in the near future if not already. I understand that George Wingfield will be taking over the role of editor of The Circular replacing Bob Kingsley. Both mags have the usual reports, photos, sketches and the all to often video T-shirt etc. There are some quite dubious looking formations which could be hoaxes but I have'nt seen all of these in the 'flesh'. I think the formation opposite The Punchbowl with 6 'petals' and two rings is a hoax for sure. I visited this last year after it had been there about a week and it looked then a bit rough and the photo from the air does confirm this. I have to reserve judgement about the 'Mandelbrot' as it looks pretty neat and the only other obvious cause for this would be hoaxing. I think it would be very difficult to hoax this formation as creating circles rings etc has been proven to be able to fool the 'experts' but I have no idea how one would create a cartoid or twisted corn only about 16 inches in diameter. I personally have not seen this one other than in photos and video but there is a lot of speculation about this one as within a day or so of its appearance the farmer drove through the middle of it and hence dampened any thorough investigation and there was a story of someone setting light to a part of the formation but this is unconfirmed. At present crop circle investigators are getting a bit of stick as they don't seem to have come up with any real consistent way of determining 'real' formations from hoaxes. Certainly the hoax ones I have seen have been fairly obvious but if someone practised hoaxing they would only get better so it really is time for a structured process for determining whether formations are genuine. Dowsing is unreliable, so are 'expert's' oppinion, there is a real phenomenon and as soon as real researchers stop being sensationalists the better but this may never happen as there are too many people making a damn good living out of this at present. My oppinion is that the people who earn their only living out of this subject won't really want it solved cause they would have to find another vocation then. What this needs is a group of skeptic to come forward with a list of what 'proves' crop circles are hoaxes, Terence Meaden to supply a list of what proves formations are vortex and other experts to supply a list of what they class as methods of determining authenticity. This then requires an independant source to collate the information and cross reference it, the end result would be to at least have a process for determining what is real. Any input ! Regards, Robert -- Robert Trevelyan Internet: rob@aixssc.ibm.co.uk AIX Communications vnet: TREVELR at NHBVM7 Voice: +44-(0)256-56144 -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Graham@p13000.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Graham) Subject: Re: Wackenhut Date: 24 Jan 92 15:46:12 GMT In a message sent 07:31: 22 Jan 92, Don Ecker wrote to Clark Matthews: D> Clark Matthews asked: >> PS -- Don, could you repost info on getting >> CIABASE? D> It comes on floppys, so tell them 5 1/4 HD or DD, or 3 D> 1/2 HD or DD. Don, Just out of curiosity, is the database itself in text format or is it compressed? The reason I ask is that I would like to use CIABASE on my system, which is not a pc/pc-clone (although it can be made to run pc programs). Thanks, Proud owner of a non-pc, Jim Graham Jim Graham Sysop: The Portal Dolmen BBS and ParaNet(sm) ALPHA-GAMMA (812)-334-0418, 24 hours Lots of wierd-science goodies. -- Jim Graham - via FidoNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Graham@p13000.f13.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************