Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 537 Tuesday, March 3rd 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: UFOs and Scripture Meier and Ozone Depletion Richard Russell Sightings X-ray x-ray Re: Cable Radio Network Ozone depletion feared in 1974 INVERTED x-ray? Cable Radio Network Cable Radio Network Cable Radio Network Cable Radio Network Richard Russell Sightings Cabel Radio Network Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: 11:11 Re: x-ray Re: Ubatuba NASA's Truly on FOIA ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: well.sf.ca.us!ddrasin Subject: UFOs and Scripture Date: 28 Feb 92 04:17:13 GMT From: Dan Drasin +From: Frank.Ward@f8.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Frank Ward) +Subject: Re: maitreya, spirits, antichrist + In my Christian belifes, I have always found it perplexing that + there was no mention of people or being from other planets... Frank, have you considered the possiblity that those who wrote the Judaeo-Christian scriptures might have expressed their experiences in ways that we might not recognize today? The phrase 'laser beam' for example, is a late 20th-century invention, those in biblical times would likely have described such a thing as a 'burning sword.' Aerial vehicles would surely have appeared to them as 'flaming chariots' or some such phrase that would make sense in terms of their own lives. Every age has its own language and metaphor for its experiences so one has to study things carefully (and allow for grievous mis-interpretations on the part of the translators!) before denying certain possibilities. Sometimes poeple forget that the Bible wasn't written by 20th-century people in modern English. The UFO literature includes a number of fairly scholarly interpretations of biblical events that point to the possibility of NON-diabolical ET intervention in human affairs. You might find some of it quite fascinating. UFO magazine, Vol.5, No.2, 1990, features a number of interesting articles along these lines. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: well.sf.ca.us!ddrasin Subject: Meier and Ozone Depletion Date: 28 Feb 92 04:17:37 GMT From: Dan Drasin +From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) +Dan: +That's a very interesting tract from the Meier notes. ... It will +be more interesting if it can be shown conclusively that there was +no mention of a danger from ozone depletion in any texts available +in 1975. Jim, I believe the ozone depletion danger had been theorized at the time, but the issue had not been aired widely. Whether the role of bromine gas in ozone depletion had been established at that time I have no idea, but I tend to doubt it. It is now known, of course, that bromine (a close relative of chlorine) is one of the most ozone-destructive byproducts of industrial activity. What I *do* find especially interesting is the particular focus given to this issue in the Meier notes at a time when ozone depletion was only one among *many* perceived threats to the environment, and was not yet widely viewed as a central or pivotal question. + Also, it would be a helluva lot more useful if Semjase had given + us some way out of the problem...but of course they're just here + to inspire and guide, not instruct... Jim, according to the notes, Meier and others were instructed to contact certain researchers and provide them with relevant information. The notes claim that the Pleiadeans were quite well aware of the belief barriers that make such communications difficult or impossible in our culture. Meier claims he did the best he could under the circumstances. One must admit that mainstream science tends to take rather a dim view of apocalyptic information provided by extraterrestrials, and an even dimmer view of anything provided by nonscientists. Surely no Ph.D worth his tenure would be caught dead believing in, or acting on, such flakey, paranoid stuff, right? When you read the unedited Meier notes it's clear that, contrary to the debunkers' myths, Meier never romanticized the Pleiadeans. He often took pains to point out what he considered to be their very human faults, and claims to have resisted many of their suggestions that he found inappropriate to the reality in which we live. He characterizes their grasp of our civilization as remarkably comprehensive on one level, yet full of holes when it came to certain practical details. For example, he claims that they tried to help him financially by giving him some diamonds, unaware that one cannot legally sell a diamond in Switzerland without official documentation of its original purchase. That sort of thing. I should also add that my ulterior motive for uploading this excerpt has to do with my pet peeve about so many ufologists rejecting the Meier case more on the basis of repeated rumor than of diligent study of the material. Please note that this does not mean I necessarily accept the case in all (or even most) of its particulars. It *does* mean I'm sorely disappointed at how many otherwise intelligent investigators have disregarded due investigative process in their zeal to disassociate themselves from this case. + From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) nC> Afterwards, the local news anchor mentioned the obvious question: nC> Why nC> didn't the news crew stick around until nighttime? + That's obvious: 'Stick around til' nighttime? You mean, as if there actually + IS something going on? HAHAHAHAHA!' I'd say you've probably nailed it, Jim! Dan Drasin ddrasin@well.sf.ca.us -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Richard Russell Sightings Date: 27 Feb 92 03:25:02 GMT > Does anyone have any info on the sightings Georgia congressman Richard > Russell and a group of FBI men had on a trip to Russia? I know I've read about that in the past year in a recent, fairly popular ufo book, but I sure can't remember what book it was. If you can, you might look through some of the recent books by well-known ufo writers. If I come across it again, I'll post a note here. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: X-ray Date: 27 Feb 92 03:40:03 GMT > That's *really* strange John, because I also received this x-ray > reverse print from Steve, and mine exhibits a lateral view of the > lower abdomen, vertebrae, and pelvic area. I don't *think* I'd mistake a head for an abdomen but, well, anything's possible. I've seen assorted x-rays before, but those were films, not prints. The print I received is very unsharp; much less clarity than any x-ray I've seen. So maybe I didn't even recognize what part of the body I was looking at. The only parts that were fairly recognizable (to my untrained eyes) were vertabrae. I thought I saw teeth, but now I'm not so sure. I looked at it when I received it, but haven't had time to study it since. Anyway, it's at the store, and I won't be back there until Monday; I'll take a good look and let you know either way. If I was wrong, I won't be *too* embarassed. Just bright red. Assuming it's lower abdomen, how about a swallowed piece of jewelry? jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: x-ray Date: 27 Feb 92 17:50:00 GMT > Ah-HA! That must explain the X-ray I got in the mail from Steve Jones. Sheldon's suggested that either he and I received different x-rays, or that I couldn't tell what part of the body I was looking at. I suspect the latter. The print I have is rather vague, although the little gizmo is fairly distinct. Anyway, I won't get a chance to take another look at it until Monday, and maybe I can study it somewhat closer this time. If it shows the lower abdomen, how would you feel about the idea the the little thing is maybe a swallowed piece of jewelry? jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network Date: 28 Feb 92 16:28:00 GMT > PN> Thanks, Don. When you say "on your cable system," that's referring > PN> to cable TV? (Sorry if that's an incredibly dumb question, but when >FM Radio is carried on many cable systems...the same as TV signals. >Just hook the wire up (after it is split in two) to the FM receiver and >you might here all the local stations plus imported signals. Does that mean that if a person does not have cable TV that cable radio is not available either? Sounds that way to me, but just in case... (No, I don't have cable...probably the last person in the US who hasn't been hooked up yet.) Thanks for the reply! -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: wam.umd.edu!infinity Subject: Ozone depletion feared in 1974 Date: 28 Feb 92 22:14:15 GMT From: Triopedus Psyplovortisle Ozone discovered: 1840 by C F Shoenbein. Ozone layer realized: 1879-1881 W N Hartley and A Cornu. CFCs invented: 1928, T Midgley. Stations set up to measure ozone: 1957. CFC Aerosol ban (US, Canada, Norway (Norge), and Sweden (Sverige)): 1979. Ozone hole discovered: 1985. Now the part relevant to the question of when it was known ozone layer depletion can occur: **1974 M Molina and F S Rowland discover that CFCs 'rise up into the stratosphere, break down, and begin to destroy the ozone layer...' 'the chlorine perturbation was recognized as potentially ... disturbing.' -- Earthquest, Fall 1991, 'The Ozone Layer and Homo Sapiens' Office for Interdisciplinary Earth Studies. For copy, of this fold-out issuance of the Earthquest series, which goes into considerably more detail and charting than the above, contact OIES, UCAR, PO Box 3000, Boulder, CO 80307 USA phone 303-497-1682, fax 303-497-1679. More galactic thoughts from: Amicitia Subjugat Omnia Hweohthte... (Hwe-oath-T) ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- David E. Coleman infinity@wam.umd.edu 8125 48th Ave, Apt. 612 College Park, MD 20740 1-(301)-474-7424 ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- ---- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: INVERTED x-ray? Date: 29 Feb 92 06:30:01 GMT In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <26-Feb-92 20:40> John Hicks wrote: JH> I don't *think* I'd mistake a head for an abdomen but, well, JH> anything's possible. JH> The only parts that were fairly recognizable (to my untrained JH> eyes) were vertabrae. I thought I saw teeth, but now I'm not so JH> sure. John, I know this is going to sound really strange... but I have a suspicion you were looking at the x-ray from an INVERTED perspective! Take another look and let me know if I'm correct, OK? I imagine an upside-down pelvis could yield an impression of a skull-like image. Take care, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Cable Radio Network Date: 29 Feb 92 20:20:00 GMT > PN> Thanks, Don. When you say "on your cable system," that's referring > PN> to cable TV? (Sorry if that's an incredibly dumb question, but when > FM Radio is carried on many cable systems...the same as TV signals. > Just hook the wire up (after it is split in two) to the FM receiver and > you might here all the local stations plus imported signals. Off-subject, but ... here in Scottsdale, they're discontinuing FM transmissions over the CATV lines in exchange for something called DMX (Digital Music eXpress) that is going to be a pay thing with a box in your house and pre-determined formats on 30 channels (supposedly at CD quality - I guess they send the exact CD signal across the lines?). Just thought you'd be interested. Steve -- Steve Gresser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Cable Radio Network Date: 1 Mar 92 18:26:00 GMT >> you might here all the local stations plus imported signals. PN> Does that mean that if a person does not have cable TV that cable radio is PN> not available either? Sounds that way to me, but just in case... That is exactly right. Though they might be able to get it from their 16 foot backyard satellite dish receiver. ;-) -- Steve Rose - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Cable Radio Network Date: 1 Mar 92 22:02:00 GMT SG> transmissions over the CATV lines in exchange for something called DMX SG> (Digital Music eXpress) that is going to be a pay thing with a box in your SG> house and pre-determined formats on 30 channels (supposedly at CD quality SG> - I guess they send the exact CD signal across the lines?). Well, no...but they send a modulated signal to that box which is then decoded to the analog information your amp needs to sonically reproduce the material. One day television will benefit from this setup as well. :) -- Steve Rose - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Cable Radio Network Date: 1 Mar 92 18:02:00 GMT > Off-subject, but ... here in Scottsdale, they're > discontinuing FM transmissions over the CATV lines in > exchange for something called DMX (Digital Music > eXpress) that is going to be a pay thing with a box in > your house and pre-determined formats on 30 channels > (supposedly at CD quality - I guess they send the > exact CD signal across the lines?). > Just thought you'd be interested. I work for Scientific-Atlanta, the company which supplies the DMX tuners. It is CD quality digital sound, 30 channels worth plus simulcast capability (for MTV, HBO, etc). No commercials, no talking. Just music. We also have a special remote (called the DJ remote) which will display title, track and artist of whatever you're currently listening to. Pretty neat, actually. Later. --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Richard Russell Sightings Date: 2 Mar 92 04:59:00 GMT > I know I've read about that in the past year in a > recent, fairly popular ufo book, but I sure can't > remember what book it was. If you can, you might look > through some of the recent books by well-known ufo writers. > If I come across it again, I'll post a note here. Yes, I've since found out that it's mentioned in ABOVE TOP SECRET. I'm still trying to locate more info (such as what the specific FOIA material was). --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Cabel Radio Network Date: 2 Mar 92 05:17:00 GMT To All: Starting a week from this evening (March 8, 1992) "*UFOs TONIGHT" will premier on the Cable Radio Network. I have been very busy all week lining up shows for the next couple months.... and they promise to be outstanding. The very first program will be with our own Jim Speiser and Mike Corbin from ParaNet, the worlds most important computer network. Nothing like keeping it in the family.... Shows later this month and off into the spring will include..... Walt Andrus of MUFON.... Zecharia Sitchin and the "Earth Chronicles" Paul Stonehill and the new Commonwealth Nations (old USSR) Lee Graham and the "Government Sting" ( what, you don't know what I mean? Read UFO Magazine! ) Dr. David Jacobs and his new book "SECRET LIFE". Dr. Jacques Vallee and all his recent work including his new tome about the old USSR and all their UFO info....... and believe me when I say I have only scratched the surface. Future shows have already been planned including Bill Moore, Budd Hopkins, Stan Friedman, Neil Freer, Randle and Schmitt, Lars Hannson, Ralph McGeHee to name a few. This is a Sunday night experience you will not want to miss. So, if you do not get CRN, let me know and I will tell you how to go about getting it. Best Don -- Don Ecker - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE Date: 27 Feb 92 16:52:05 GMT I got the list of all the stations. Ia, Oh, Il, and all over, but not Wisconsin. Maybe on is close enough to pull in. Are you considering a taped collection of the previous shows or the new ones for us less fortunates in the North woods? -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Greenen) Subject: Re: 11:11 Date: 29 Feb 92 19:03:00 GMT FW> *** Quoting Jim Greenen to John Hicks *** FW> FW> JG> C-130 almost on stalling speed. As I think about it, how do you FW> JG> refuel a helicopter in flight? You know, the chop-chop of the FW> JG> blades could chop-chop the hose. FW> FW> Jim, when I was with the 302 SOS (helios), nearly all the FW> birds had air to air refuling capabilities. You're right, FW> the bird has to fly at nearly max speed, but the 130 can FW> and does refuel rather easily. You can change the angle of FW> the blades and the refueling petoe(sp) is low enough that FW> it doesn't get chopped up. FW> FW> Frank FW> FW> --- FW> * Origin: ParaNet Alpha-Nu(sm) (602)892-1853 9:1012/8 FW> (9:1012/8) Thanks Frank, for the information. Question???? --- To obtain max. speed one must angle the blades toward the direction that it is flying. Another words the blades must angle toward the front of the craft---correct ??---. If the helicopter is fueled from the front, wouldn't that make the refueling more dangerous??? Also, as with the Apache AH64 and most other Helicopters that I have seen, that the blades extend far beyond the nose of the craft which again make the refueling more dangerous. Could you explain in more detail this operation of refueling. My mind is still having visons of hoses being chopped in pieces. When I was in the Air Force and maybe things have changed since then, but the designation of a refueling aircraft was KC as in KC-97 and there after the KC-135. The C-130 is designated as a cargo aircraft and not a refueling type. If they have equipt the C-130 for refueling purposes than would it not be proper to call it the KC-130???. I'm not reputing what you said but it's been 32 years since I was in the service and I think I need to get caught up on some of the changes. -- Jim Greenen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Greenen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: x-ray Date: 2 Mar 92 06:05:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <02-27-92 10:50> John Hicks wrote: JH> If it shows the lower abdomen, how would you feel about the idea JH> the the little thing is maybe a swallowed piece of jewelry? I would feel very sorry for whoever swallowed it. Aside from that, I'm not the least bit qualified to say one way or the other. The X-ray is really useless to me without the written opinion of a qualified X-ray interpreter saying "This should not be there." Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f37.n114.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: afglsc.span.nasa.gov!WEBB Subject: Re: Ubatuba Date: 3 Mar 92 15:19:40 GMT From: WEBB@afglsc.span.nasa.gov Jim, Through my affiliation with the Soc. for Scientific Exploration and my work in space physics, I occasionally talk with Peter Sturrock of Stanford. He has told me that he is trying to have a piece of the Ubatuba artifact reanalyzed. He might have given it to someone at Princeton, that's all I know. I will probably see Peter again in June. What do you want to know and why? As you know samples were originally analyzed by Olavo Fontes in conjunction with APRO. The nearly 100% magnesium content allegedly found some 30 years ago was unusual then, but probably not by today's standards. Also, any still extant sample might be contaminated unless it had been kept in sterile conditions all that time. Dave Webb -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: kn5f.jsc.nasa.gov!steve Subject: NASA's Truly on FOIA Date: 3 Mar 92 16:18:09 GMT From: Stephen Price I saw this press release dated 2/28/92 from NASA's Public Affairs office. I wonder what is going on, with Truly's dismissal and all... These days it is hard for me to take anything like this at face value. But this weekend I read that the 'document' was issued from Lewis Research Center concerning NASA's nuclear propulsion project. NASA ADMINISTRATOR STATEMENT CONCERNING FOIA NASA Administrator Richard H. Truly released the following statement today concerning a document titled 'Suggestions for Anticipating Requests Under Freedom of Information Act': I am extremely concerned by the content of this document, as it is seriously inconsistent with NASA's firm policy concerning the FOIA. NASA is strongly committed to full compliance with the law, and we repudiate the portions of this document that are inconsistent with our policy. Effective immediately, I am taking steps to reaffirm our commitment to the FOIA by countermanding this document. A letter outlining NASA's FOIA policies will be distributed to all senior managers today and will remind them that NASA places the utmost value on openness and honesty in government. I also am appointing a senior-level team to conduct a prompt and thorough investigation of this matter. The team will be headed by Assistant Deputy Administrator John E. O'Brien. Other members will be: General Counsel Edward A. Frankle, Deputy Inspector General Lewis D. Rinker and Dr. Robert Rosen, Deputy Associate Administrator for Aeronautics and Space Technology. Based on the findings of this team, NASA management will take quick, appropriate and decisive action on this incident to demonstrate that NASA's FOIA policies are readily adhered to. - end - *************************************** Stephen Price Somewhere near Johnson Space Center... *************************************** ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************