Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 540 Sunday, March 15th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: For All You Astroid Impact Dooms Dayers Answers on 1992CS Re: Asteroid CS1992 Re: Asteroid CS1992 Black Helicopters Stuff Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood Re: PRESS RELEASE Re: Cable Radio Network Re: Cable Radio Network EMERGENCE OF A PHENOMENON Cable Radio Network Black Helicopters Re: Black Helicopters Georgia MICAP 3rd grade German Re: Cable Radio Network Re: Cable Radio Network Cable Radio Network Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: For All You Astroid Impact Dooms Dayers Date: 10 Mar 92 19:59:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Steve Timpson * Originally dated 03-09-92 20:41 From: timpson@shodha.enet.dec.com (Steve Timpson) Date: 9 Mar 92 15:09:48 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Message-ID: <6119@shodha.enet.dec.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Article: 20808 From: lpb@stratus.swdc.stratus.com (Len Bucuvalas x5363) Newsgroups: sci.astro Subject: Answers on 1992CS Date: 5 Mar 92 22:17:01 GMT Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU In all fairness .... here are 2 answers from what seems to be intelligent and respected professionals in the industry.....I used to live in Mass so I can tell you that MIT's requirements for researchers are MOST stringent! Len ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From mcdonald@astron.MIT.EDU Wed Mar 4 06:46:12 1992 Date: Wed, 04 Mar 92 09:47:09 -0500 Rumors of an imminent impact have no basis. Rick Binzel certainly does not know of any likely asteroid impacts in the next few years, and that is one of his major studies. In fact, he just helped write a paper studying the likelihood of any such impact over some large stretch of time (100 years? I'm not sure). There are no asteroids currently known which are likely to impact the earth in the forseeable future. The paper also has a proposal for a national policy for searching for asteroids on an impact course. I haven't read the report, but from what I recall from his talks, he expects that it would take nearly a century to identify most of the asteroids which have any possibility of approaching the earth, if we had a systematic search program underway. Another conclusion I recall is that the likelihood of any individual being killed by an asteroid/meteor is much lower than many other risks we take for granted. While a major meteor strike would kill many people, they happen extremely rarely, so the probability of you being killed by one is very very small. As Rick puts it, he's not losing any sleep over it. It is simply something we should start looking into; sometime in the future, maybe a hundred years, maybe a thousand, there will be a major impact, but perhaps by that time we can predict it and even do something about it. In the meantime, put your fears to rest. There is no evidence of a major impact imminent. The chance of a major impact happening in your lifetime, or even your grandchildren's lifetime, are extremely low, and we cannot predict asteroid orbits accurately enough that far in the future even for those asteroids for which we have "good" orbits. These rumors of an imminent impact sound very much like typical end-of-the-world or government-conspiracy rumors. Last year someone claimed there would be a devastating earthquake in Missouri, and lots of people got concerned in spite of geologists statements that there was no evidence for an imminent earthquake. The earthquake did not happen on the claimed date, and people have forgotten about it. I expect the same thing to happen to this rumor. Steve McDonald Earth, Atmospheric & Planetary Science Massachusetts Institute of Technology mcdonald@astron.mit.edu >From tholen@hubble.IFA.Hawaii.Edu Wed Mar 4 01:43:42 1992 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 23:39:48 HST From: tholen@hubble.IFA.Hawaii.Edu (Dave Tholen) Subject: Re: Asteroid CS1992 Newsgroups: sci.astro Organization: Institute for Astronomy, Hawaii There is no asteroid designated CS1992. This isn't even a proper asteroid designation. If "some circles" are using this designation, and if it is an unusual object in any way, then it would have been reported to the Minor Planet Center and received a real designation by now. 1992 CS is a real designation, but if it were unusual, I would have heard about it by now. Regarding the destruction of an asteroid using a nuclear warhead, there is ample scientific explanation. It is well known that asteroids have collided with the Earth in the past, and will continue to do so as long as there is a supply (the main belt) and a mechanism for putting them into Earth crossing orbits (perturbations by Jupiter). A collision with a sufficiently large asteroid could cause widespread devastation, something that most people would like to avoid. Such a catastrophe could be avoided by either diverting the asteroid or destroying it. Nuclear warheads offer sufficient energy to do the job. I know of no connection to a tract of land in Australia. Jost Jahn posts the periodic Earth-crossing asteroid ephemerides, but the answer was from someone at MIT (and probably hasn't made it across the Usenet yet, so I'll include it here). ================================================================ From: mcdonald@athena.mit.edu (Steve McDonald) Newsgroups: sci.astro Subject: Re: Asteroid CS1992 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 92 17:38:46 EST Sender: news@athena.mit.edu (News system) Organization: Massachusetts Institute of Technology In article <9203031854.AA10203@echidna.swdc.stratus.com> lpb@STRATUS.SWDC.STRATUS.COM (Len Bucuvalas x5363) writes: >We are looking for exact scientific information regarding an >asteroid, that has in some circles been named CS1992. > >In particular, we wish to know its current position, its orbital elements, >and future orbital path, including any possible interceptions with the >orbit of the Earth and any possible 'near' misses in the next 20 years. > > [lots of stuff about anti-meteorite icbm's and rumored 1000-occupancy > survival shelters in Australia] CS1992 doesn't sound right; perhaps you mean 1992CS, which is a proper form for an asteroid designation? CS1992 is not a proper form. I have not seen any IAU circular on anything designated 1992CS (or CS1992). Nor has Rick Binzel, a major asteroid specialist, heard of it. But if there is an asteroid designated 1992CS, we can immediately infer several things about it. First, it was only discovered in the first half of February this year. Newly discovered asteroids follow a very specific naming sequence; 1992 is the year of discovery, C means first 15 days of February, and S means it was discovered after 1992CR. Next, we can immediately infer that we know very little about it. It has only been under observation for a little over two weeks. You can get a preliminary orbit calculation from three observations, but it takes much more than that to be able to confidently recover it a year later. And it takes many years of observations before the orbit is refined enough to list it with the asteroids with confidently known orbits (at which time it gets a permanent number and a name). So predicting earth approaches even just a year or two from now with only two weeks of observations is ridiculous. The error bars are absolutely huge. It is impossible to blame any of the things this author mentions on such a recently discovered asteroid. Steve McDonald Earth, Atmospheric & Planetary Sciences Massachusetts Institute of Technology mcdonald@astron.mit.edu ----- End Included Message ----- -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Black Helicopters Date: 11 Mar 92 05:48:00 GMT > I thought all helicopters required ID numbers and I feel that operating > at a low altitude in a congested area is not only grossly stupid but > illegal. > > Does anyone know who these copters "belong" to; what they are doing; and > why do I see them so often? Am I paranoid and if not, should I be? It may be illegal. Start carrying binoculars and a camera with you. The next time you see it, take a picture of it. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Stuff Date: 10 Mar 92 14:20:00 GMT Dear Mark: I tried calling this past weekend, and then got hung up with a lot of busy work so I never followed up. I wondered about a couple of things: First, how are things working out with Dimitri? Is he making progress? Second, can CUFOS recommend a good audio/visual resource center for UFO lectures, such as pre-organized slide shows, overheads, etc? Third, what is CUFOS' reaction to the article in Skeptic's UFO Newsletter #14 regarding the Belgium case? In it, Fast Phil claims that Wim Van Utrecth has harsh words for the case, saying that its mainly a lot of me-tooism, sketchy photos, etc. Klass has nothing original to say on this case, but I have a lot of respect for Van Utrecht, who dealt the death blow to Gulf Breeze in my mind. Oh, yeah, Klass claims that "an anonyomous source" told him that top officials in the Belgian Air Force were "embarrassed over a lower-level decision to dispatch two F-16 interceptors" which later painted fast-moving objects on their radar screens, "suggesting a malfunction" in the onboard radar. Now, if they were so embarrassed, why on earth would they let the BAF Chief of Operations hold a press conference at which he communicated the military's bafflement over the incident? Look forward to hearing from you.... Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood Date: 11 Mar 92 05:54:00 GMT Hi Peggy, Wouldn't you know these guys would use some lame excuse to keep from cooperating with you? Did you see Paul Faeder's post to me on the Chateau-de-Rennes?? (I think I spelled it correctly! I read it with my mouth flopped open! Very interesting! I think I'll try to learn more. Geez! Loren just brought his book here - the one I thought was called Holy Grail, Holy Blood. Loren's book is in GERMAN, and it's called Der Heilige Gral und seine Erben. (Authors: Lincoln, Baigent, Leigh) Now he says his book is a translation and it -is- the same. (Well, my German is about 3rd grade level at best! So this won't do me much good.) Do check your messages. Loren says we answered you def. on Compuserve. Goota go--eyeballs are criss-crossing! Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: PRESS RELEASE Date: 9 Mar 92 16:13:05 GMT I guess I need to invest in a dish and end all of this searching for things I really wish to view. Right after I win the lottery of course. 8*) Meanwhile phase one has been completed, the marriage is over, now all that I need to do is pay off five years of debt that I got for my reward... Maybe someone can tape the show and let me listen to it. The defunct radio show sounded very good, and I can only expect the new one will be even better. Keep up the good work. -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network Date: 11 Mar 92 01:22:00 GMT Peggy Noonan asked; > But if I don't have cable, then there's no way to get it, right? > (Yes, that's right -- I'm one of the last two dozen people in the US who > have not yet gotten cable.) Well Peggy there is still one, maybe two ways left. First if you have a satellite dish, you can tune into it on SATCOM 1-R, at TRANSPONDER 15, and the freq. is 7.235. The second way is to call your local FM radio station and either ask them to download that signal, or call the good people at CRN at 818-352-7152. Best; Don -- Don Ecker - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Rose) Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network Date: 11 Mar 92 06:52:00 GMT -=> Quoting Peggy Noonan to Steve Rose <=- >you might here all the local stations plus imported signals. PN> But if I don't have cable, then there's no way to get it, right? PN> (Yes, that's right -- I'm one of the last two dozen people in the US PN> who have not yet gotten cable. Consider this to be another reason not to put it off any longer. ;-) -- Steve Rose - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Rose@p0.f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Bill.Chalker.UFORA.Associate.NSW@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW) Subject: EMERGENCE OF A PHENOMENON Date: 6 Mar 92 05:44:00 GMT I have been browsing through a copy of Jerome Clark's massive tome, "The Emergence of a Phenomenon: UFOs from the beginning through 1959", Volume 2 of his UFO Encyclopedia trilogy. I have to admit bias here but I recommend this volume as a great treasure trove of information. It is the most detailed account of pre 1960s ufology to date. It has 113 enteries, 433 pages and pictures this time. Jerry Clark wrote all of this volume bar 2 enteries. Eddie Bullard wrote a piece on 19th century UFOs and I contributed a 23 page history on the UFO controversy in Australia and New Zealand up to and including 1959. I had a chance to read a draft of Volume 2 in September last year. I was amazed by the depth of research Jerry has done. It is an extraordinary work. Although very expensive at $75 (US) your money would be well spent in getting it. -- Bill Chalker UFORA Associate NSW - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Bill.Chalker.UFORA.Associate.NSW@f8.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Cable Radio Network Date: 12 Mar 92 06:44:00 GMT > Anson, I saw your reply on this thread by reading > replies to the original message I'd received, so I > hope you won't mind my butting in here...I'm very > interested to know more about this DMX system. Is > there a brochure available which would tell me the > types of music selections available and costs in the > Denver metro area? If so, let me know where to send > for it. Thank you. Are you the same Peggy Noonan who wrote speaches for Reagan? :-) Just kidding, I've been lurking for some time and have seen you answer *that* question on more than one occasion. I also seem to recall seeing a message from you pop up on Compuserve not too long ago (I get around). Anyway, I'm not sure what cable systems carry DMX. I'd suggest you call your local cable operator (I suspect it's TCI) and ask them. Ask about Scientific-Atlanta's Digital Music Express system. In the meantime, I'll ask around at the office (I work in engineering, we just design the stuff, we don't sell it) and see if anybody knows if DMX is available in your area. The sevice itself consists of 30 channels, transmitted digitally over the cable, i.e. CD quality. Let's see, there's a jazz channel, oldies channel, classical channel, rap channel (word), rock channels, even country music (I think). Just about something for everyone. And *no* talking. --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Black Helicopters Date: 13 Mar 92 00:25:24 GMT From: James Roger Black John Zuk writes: + About every 6 to 8 weeks, I see what looks like a black helicopter + either surveying the area or looking for something. I've read that + these helicopters have shown up after UFO events but I'm not aware of + any UFO activity. + + I thought all helicopters required ID numbers and I feel that operating + at a low altitude in a congested area is not only grossly stupid but + illegal. + + Does anyone know who these copters 'belong' to; what they are doing; + and why do I see them so often? Am I paranoid and if not, should I + be? Choppers of this description operate from time to time here in Iowa City. One of them buzzed our downtown pedestrian mall at lunch hour once, at an altitude that couldn't have been more than 300 feet. I called the local airport manager to ask about it; he confirmed the helicopter's presence but said he had no idea who they were or why they were operating so low. With no identifying marks, it was impossible to find out who was doing it. As far as I know, none of the local police departments have anything like it. I don't suppose we'll know for sure who these idiots are until one of them falls out of the sky and kills a bunch of innocent bystanders. It would be instructive to hang around and see who comes to clean up the mess. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Black jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis) Subject: Re: Black Helicopters Date: 12 Mar 92 01:44:00 GMT It is possible that you may be seeing a film company chopper. They are often painted black to avoid reflection while filming and, depending on their license and usage, may or may not have markings at a particular time. You might start with a call to your state film office to see if any film companies have a low-level permit for your area. -- Tom Davis - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Georgia MICAP Date: 11 Mar 92 23:02:00 GMT Hi Anson, Whereabouts in Georgia are you located? I lived there for about 10 years, near Florida. Regards, Transplanted Rebel, now in AriZonie (Linda Bird) -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z91.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: 3rd grade German Date: 13 Mar 92 15:36:02 GMT >Wouldn't you know these guys would use some lame excuse to keep >from cooperating with you? Well, I don't know if they're intentionally _trying_ to avoid cooperation but whatever the motivation, it still comes out the same in the end. (drat!) >Holy Grail, Holy Blood. Loren's book is in GERMAN, and it's >called >Der Heilige Gral und seine Erben. (Authors: Lincoln, Baigent, >Leigh) >Now he says his book is a translation and it -is- the same. >(Well, my German is about 3rd grade level at best! So this 3rd grade German is a whole lot more advanced than I am! Wow! What a mind! -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network Date: 13 Mar 92 15:37:03 GMT Hi Don, Thanks very much for the suggestions about Cable Radio Network. The satellite dish idea won't work for me, but the phone number will! I appreciate it! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Cable Radio Network Date: 13 Mar 92 15:41:04 GMT > -=> Quoting Peggy Noonan to Steve Rose <=- > >you might here all the local stations plus imported signals. > PN> But if I don't have cable, then there's no way to get it, right? > PN> (Yes, that's right -- I'm one of the last two dozen people in the US > PN> who have not yet gotten cable. >Consider this to be another reason not to put it off any >longer. ;-) Ah, but then I'd lose my status at one of the few remaining Dinosaurs of Archaic Lifestyle Club Members! (Besides, everybody knows you've got to wear aluminum foil hats to protect against the Zeta-Reticulans' thought control beams that enter your home through cables...Hmmmm....I wonder about the phone lines... Ah, the choices of modern times: whether tis nobler in the mind to adapt to technology and buy cable or to cling to the slings and arrows of outmoted systems... -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Cable Radio Network Date: 13 Mar 92 15:48:05 GMT >Are you the same Peggy Noonan who wrote speaches for Reagan? >:-) Just kidding, I've been lurking for some time and have >seen you answer *that* question on more than one occasion. I >also seem to recall seeing a message from you pop up on >Compuserve not too long ago (I get around). hahahaha! Yes, I'm on Compuserve too, but haven't checked in as frequently lately...some problem there about getting forum messages routed to mail so I've missed a bunch of replies and they can't seem to get it straightened out. Sorry, I shouldn't say "a bunch" of replies -- instead I should more accurately say "some." Do you lurk in the Paranormal Issues forum there? >The sevice itself consists of 30 channels, transmitted >digitally over the cable, i.e. CD quality. Let's see, there's >a jazz channel, oldies channel, classical channel, rap channel >(word), rock channels, even country music (I think). Just >about something for everyone. And *no* talking. Sounds very promising. (Though to be fair, I'm a big fan of talk radio too -- how else could I keep up with "Weird Night"? -- Which, by the way, will be next Friday on KOA, Denver, 850 am and anyone who wants to get in touch with the show's host, Rick Barber, can reach him on Prodigy where his ID number is CHTH90A.) It would be really nice to choose the type of music you prefer and hear it with no interruptions and in clear, solid signal. Maybe Don Ecker's suggestion about calling the LA number for the CRN would give info on this too, but in case not, if you do hear anything at the office, I'd appreciate a relay of info. Thanks very much! -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood Date: 13 Mar 92 16:25:00 GMT Hi Linda, Found the Paul Faeder message about the chateau -- Wow! Thanks for the tip! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************