Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 543 Tuesday, March 31st 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood Re: Sitchin in UFO mag Ogden Mystery Re: Sighting Reports Msg Re: 92 UFO Con-ColoSpgs Cable Radio Network Cable Radio Show Re: Sighting Reports AZTALAN/CAHOKIA/PREHISTORIC Re: PETROGLYPHS WELCOME Welcome Sighting Reports Implants Sightings Gravity resonance coils revisited... Mycroft Re: 92 Ufo Con-colospgs Ogden Mystery Cosmic ThAng and Cure-aliens Re: Line-up: Weird Nite Aztalan/cahokia/prehistoric The B-2 Ufo Cosmic Thang And Cure-aliens Mycroft -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Mel Noel/kirkwood Date: 21 Mar 92 17:43:00 GMT Hi Peggy, It looks as if the mystery surrounding the Ogden Object(s) just won't go away! Keep hanging in there. Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Sitchin in UFO mag Date: 21 Mar 92 17:46:00 GMT Hi Peggy, Yes, I did read the 2 articles again. Let me look at them again, and refresh my memory (duh) and see if I have any comments! Best, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Ogden Mystery Date: 22 Mar 92 18:23:00 GMT > >It looks as if the mystery surrounding the Ogden Object(s) just >won't go away! Keep hanging in there. How true...Frustrating, though! I just checked with the source again Friday to see when he'd be sending the promised photos and written stuff...seems there's been a hang-up on his end, something about a will, and unavoidable delays... Argh! That's par for this story's course, though! -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis) Subject: Re: Sighting Reports Date: 21 Mar 92 21:37:00 GMT Mike, does your organization have a representative in the State of Washington? -- Tom Davis - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: afglsc.span.nasa.gov!WEBB Subject: Msg Date: 23 Mar 92 16:21:19 GMT From: WEBB@afglsc.span.nasa.gov To: Keith Basterfield, Keith, have you gotten the msgs. I have sent you recently? Is Paranet Research still alive? I've gotten nothing on that net for weeks. My msg. was on HumCat and your Australian CEIII cases. Please acknowledge this msg.; I will resend if necessary. Dave -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: 92 UFO Con-ColoSpgs Date: 23 Mar 92 06:10:00 GMT Hi Peggy, Yep, that's the conference I saw in the flyer I received. Yikes, I didn't realize it was so expensive. :-( And, that;s the same week we start back to school in my district. (Unless the new school I'm going to isn't finished yet, hehehe!) TTYL, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Cable Radio Network Date: 24 Mar 92 00:38:00 GMT > What did you make of "CosmicThAng" and his story about > the aliens helping cure his cancer + multiple > abductions? I haven't followed that thread and just > came in on it yesterday. Strange stuff. Sorry for taking so long to reply. As far as CosmicThAng is concerned, I don't know what to make of it. My gut feel is that he has gone through some very tough times and has used the aliens to provide some reassurance that his cancer really is "cured." If that makes him feel better, who am I to criticize? In any case, it certainly is "strange stuff." However, given the current feelings in the Compuserve Paranormal Issues section towards questioning attitudes, I think I'll keep my opinions to myself. Good or bad. --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Cable Radio Show Date: 26 Mar 92 21:21:00 GMT A quick announcement to all. Sunday March 29th, I will be broadcasting a live CRN "UFOs Tonite" from Greystone Castle in Denver, North. Check with your cable systems to see if they carry CRN and if not why not! :-) If you have Satellite, tune into SATCOM 1-R, Transponder 15 at 7.235 Freq. See ya there. Best; Don -- Don Ecker - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Sighting Reports Date: 27 Mar 92 07:00:00 GMT > Mike, does your organization have a representative in the State of > Washington? Not at the moment, but it will shortly. Stay tuned... Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: AZTALAN/CAHOKIA/PREHISTORIC Date: 23 Mar 92 17:42:02 GMT Not too much new on Cahokia, although if you ever go there, you'll find many research papers and books. Not very much for the general public. If you are interested in reading the flora and fauna of dirt samples for 700 pages, you'll be quite pleased. I am always keeping and eye open for related information. Aztalan allignments are not "new" new. Civil News Jan 1988 (I only have my note cards on these, not the articles) WI Academy Review, March 1987. I have to get to the University of WI in Madison which has 50 maps of WI sites just added to their library. It's about 90 miles from here, and I need to have a whole day off, and a car that will make the trip. The idea is that the Latitude + 23.5 will point towards the winter solstic sunrise. In the case of Aztalan it's 23.5 degress south of East. (I need to review the equation) From the tallest mound, where a pole once stood, on Dec 21st, the sun rises over a single small mound on a hill 2 miles away in the East. At Cahokia there is a wooden pole circle with alignments also. On another note, the Golden Ratio = Phi 1.62 which the 51.5 degree angle relates to, naturally occurs in conch shells, humans, and Venus when compared to Earth. Another point for me to investigate whenever I get some time. Right now I'm busy self distructing via alcohol abuse, but that's related to personal things which you already have an idea about. Meanwhile about the Sat. dish vs breakfast. Don't be so selfish! If you give up breakfast for 5.5 years you could afford the dish... 8*) -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: PETROGLYPHS Date: 25 Mar 92 17:46:14 GMT This is one area I have been interested in for some time. Thanks for the reference, I know where to look for this book now. As for lost civilizations, there are so many it's amazing. Prehistoric people fortunatly left some rock carvings so we would know they existed. It appears that there is actually some similarity between groups, which allows for interpretation. Ancient astronauts? I have not seen anything yet that supports this theory. Rock drawings and cave paintings lend themselves to interprtation according to our modern knowledge and technology. When one finds something that looks like something modern, does that imply it was indeed that object? Or is it our ability to see similarity? It would not sell books if I proposed that the Incas had perfected the steam engine, but if I claim the people were too uncivil to have built pyramids and roads, then connect it to ancient astronauts because of a few drawings that are subject to severe interprtation, I might sell millions of books. Integrity prevents most of us from creative selling of contrived wisdom. In most cases scientific debate takes place in obscurity, in scientific journals. The public is usually made aware after some final consensus has been arrived at. When there are political overtones, it makes the news and the debate is played out in the spotlight. If substantial evidence is presented to show something is true, it's will gain acceptance. If something is based on conjecture and shows little supporting evidence, it will be discounted. Just wanting something to be true, doesn't make it true. While in the case of public intervention in the process, emotional or political issues can and do alter the reality, to fit self centered belief systems. We need to look at issues from an unnatached perspective at times to see what was right before our eyes to start with. I attempt to keep an open mind so that dogmatic opinions will not block my ability to accept new information. It means I have to accept change when I am incorrect instead of defending things that have been shown to be falacy. When evidence is presented it needs to be assimilated, evaluated, and added to the knowledge base. After that, opinions and decisions can be made. Not before. -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: WELCOME Date: 25 Mar 92 18:03:00 GMT Your idea for a group to define and outline sounds like a leap in the right direction. I wish you the most success possible. Mycroft? Wasn't that Sherlocks brother? Or was that Solar Pons brother? Good choice either way, the tecnique and the name fit the methods. I'm looking forward to your initial classifications. -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug.Morrow@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Morrow) Subject: Welcome Date: 27 Mar 92 22:56:00 GMT Pete, Yes, Mycroft was Sherlocks older (and smarter) brother. He is known for his ability to think through and solve a case from his drawing room chair, without needing to visit the scene of the crime, or even do much of any investigation. His method was to analyze not just the information about the crime (or, in our case, the phenomena), but the scenario surrounding it... If Johnny Doe did the dastardly deed, then why was he seen with his shirt sleeves rolled up, hmmm? I hope to try something very much like that with this group. If UFO thinkers and researchers can stop arguing, if only for a moment, about whether some specific aspect of the phenomena is true or not, and begin to focus on some possible "big pictures", then perhaps we can begin to make some real sense of what is going on. For instance, if the greys, as described in Jacobs new book, are able to project certain, seemingly real images into an abductees mind for a few minutes to test them, is it not concievable that they are able to project the entire abductionexperience into their mind? And if this is possible, then would it explain why there seems to be a increasing frequency of subjects being "beamed up" to the mother ship? i.e. the abductee is having the experience in their mind, not in any "real" physical sense. What we need to do is to ignore the specifics of the phenomena for now, and to begin to focus on the PATTERNS in the phenomena. One of the first things I want to do with MYCROFT is to begin looking at some of the major topics of concern in the field, and to analyze them for logical internal consistency, and to see if we can theorize about what is behind it all. I'll be back tomorrow with some specific thoughts on how we will do this. Thanks, Doug -- Doug Morrow - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Doug.Morrow@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: Sighting Reports Date: 26 Mar 92 04:46:00 GMT > Thanks, Mike! It's nice to see some information about actual > sightings rather than all the other crap that finds its way onto > these boards. In the event that another "flap" might begin > anywhere, ParaNet can be a catalyst to having people armed with > video cameras "at the ready" in such areas, just in case ... Hear, hear John. I thoroughly agree with you. Vlad -- Vladimir Godic - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f6.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Implants Date: 25 Mar 92 00:03:00 GMT Hi Linda, I am airmailing a copy of the implants article to you. Hope you enjoy it. As our MUFON Journals come surface 3-4 months after you read them, I'd appreciate a copy of an article in the latest issues dealing with abduction research, thanks. -- Keith Basterfield - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Sightings Date: 25 Mar 92 00:04:00 GMT Mike it is a delight to see some "real time" sighting details for comparison purposes. Keep up the good work. -- Keith Basterfield - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: INDSVAX1.INDSTATE.EDU!ETBENT Subject: Gravity resonance coils revisited... Date: 29 Mar 92 02:30:36 GMT From: Brian Bentz Hello everybody, I have a quick question for you all... has anyone done any follow-up on the gravity resonance coils brought up last year on paranet(originally posted on March 7, 1991 by Clark Matthews)? I happened to pull the diagram, printed it out and showed it to an undergrad physics major. He is planning on trying this as a research project this summer, but some parts of it didn't make sense to him. Being in the Computer Tech Dept. here, I'm not sure what to tell him. Has anyone played around with this concept, tried building one, etc. or was it totally blown off as science fiction? Thanks everybody... Brian Bentz -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Mycroft Date: 29 Mar 92 03:34:02 GMT In a message to Vladimir Godic <22-March-92 20:02> Doug Morrow wrote: DM> I have come to one inescapable conclusion... the phenomena is DM> presenting itself to us as if we were an audience. Or.. as the Bard of Stratford-on-Avon once said... "all the world's a stage". Perhaps Shakespeare's insights were keener than even he realized. DM> Much of what is happening in the field today is generated, I DM> believe, because the phenomena is intentionally confusing, DM> contradictory and ridiculous, much as if it wants our DM> attention, but not too much, too often or too intensely. Unfortunately, a great deal is also propagated from within our own community, rendering the gleaning process most difficult. If a farmer had the same wheat/chaff ratio observed in ufology, he'd have long since sold the farm. DM> But I do know that everytime we try and stop and think about DM> what it all means, what it all could mean, some new and even DM> more interesting and exciting sigthing is made or abduction DM> case reported. In some cases, this could be indicative of an edified hoaxer utilizing ever more sophisticated techniques. I am afraid the crop circle enigma is proving to be just this type of situation. DM> I think it is time to begin to look at the phenomena as it DM> truly is, the TRICKSTER, and not some external, non-viewer DM> dependant natural (even if extraterrestrial) experience. I agree Doug - whatever phenomena (apart from hoaxes) *are* occurring here, are probably *not* actually existing as we believe them to be, a proviso dependent on our perceptual limitations. DM> For instance, if the greys, as described in Jacobs new book, DM> are able to project certain, seemingly real images into an DM> abductees mind for a few minutes to test them, is it not DM> concievable that they are able to project the entire DM> abduction experience into their mind? Or, carrying this line of thought a step further, that *something else*, entirely beyond our comprehension is "projecting" the image of alien abduction into our consciousness. But what?.. and why?? Jacobs, as you know, is convinced of the physicalness of the abduction event due to such "evidence" as scaring, puncture wounds, and the apparent fact that the victims can not be located at the time of the abduction. Then again, there have been reports of abductions occurring to individuals while *under direct physical observation* by experienced investigators. There is no way for the victim to have ever left the scene. The Australian Puddy case is one that comes to mind. Of course, Jacobs might counter that a physical abduction *might* have occurred - with the investigators simply being temporarily "switched off", as he defines it in his book. Since this event transpired in a moving vehicle and the investigators themselves suffered no missing time episode, I find this explanation unlikely. I do however, remain open-minded to this prospect, remote as it may seem. Take care, Sheldon (netmail @ FIDO 1:11/50) -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: 92 Ufo Con-colospgs Date: 29 Mar 92 19:17:00 GMT Hi Linda, thanks for letting me know that was the same conference you had info on. Yes, that price is HIGH!!! Way over my budget, though there might be a media discount involved, but I think that's going to put off a lot of people. In these economic times, who can afford that big a ticket, even if it does include the whole package and weekend? Thanks for the note, by the way...rec'd safely! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Ogden Mystery Date: 29 Mar 92 22:08:03 GMT >It looks as if the mystery surrounding the Ogden Object(s) just >won't go away! Keep hanging in there. > Hi Linda, How true! Did you see the new info from David Worthington (sp?) about the book, _The Ogden Enigma_ by Gene Snyder? Amazing stuff. (If you didn't see it, let me know -- I've captured it and can repost for you.) ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Cosmic ThAng and Cure-aliens Date: 29 Mar 92 22:14:04 GMT >"cured." If that makes him feel better, who am I to criticize? >In any case, it certainly is "strange stuff." >However, given the current feelings in the Compuserve >Paranormal Issues section towards questioning attitudes, I >think I'll keep my opinions to myself. Good or bad. I know what you mean! Things got very hot for a while there. One of the long-time participants told me (in separate EMail) that he was going to plead with SysOp Ted Markley to get the contenders back into neutral corners and remove that kind of fighting. Discussion is one thing, but that really went off the wall and I have to agree that it seemed to intimidate everyone who might otherwise have wanted to comment. I don't know about Cos' and his claims, but he sure sounds like a man who's had some very big problems. Remember he said he had beena (oops) been asked to be on a TV program with Dr. Jacobs talking about abductee experiences? I've just recently heard that such a program has aired and 4 abductees were guests of Dr. Jacobs to illustrate the story. I didn't get the names of the guests (and didn't see the show myself). Did you happen to hear of this, or do you know of Cosmic ThAng was one of the four? ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Line-up: Weird Nite Date: 29 Mar 92 22:23:07 GMT >Peggy! Please keep those of us who live far away posted about >more weird nights on KOA radio! I live in Minnesota and can >get KOA in the evenings! Thanks. Okay, Don, willdo! I will tell Rick that he's got a listener in Minnesota too -- do you call in? I'm hoping we can get the info out sooner so people can get the lineup and plan accordingly but this last time the show wasn't "set" until about 5 pm of the same night, so we couldn't get it to you sooner. Mark your calendar, though, for 4 weeks from that date -- should be 4/17 -- for the next one. I won't know for sure until that week, but will get the list out as soon as possible. Thanks for the nice note! ==peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Aztalan/cahokia/prehistoric Date: 29 Mar 92 22:31:08 GMT >East. At Cahokia there is a wooden pole circle with alignments >also. > >On another note, the Golden Ratio = Phi 1.62 which the 51.5 >degree angle relates to, naturally occurs in conch shells, >humans, and Venus when compared to Earth. Another point for me >to investigate whenever I get some time. Right now I'm busy >self distructing via alcohol abuse, but that's related to >personal things which you already have an idea about. ----This is really fascinating stuff! I didn't know that about the Golden Ratio , but the Venus connection links to some old stuff I read somewhere about ancient Celtic connections to Venus and special relationships there. I wonder if it's in the "Face on Mars" too...can't remember from Hoagland's book. "self destructing via alcohol" -- it's not worth it, Pete. Know too many very special people who've been there and even though the anesthetic value seems high at the time, when the bill comes due, the price is a whopper. The enemy -- you know who I mean -- wins if you go that route. Become an exercise fanatic instead...then you can contend with stress fractures and shin splints and "healty" ailments that go along with exercise-triggered endorphin release (brain's own natural opiates, "feel good drugs" and pain relievers). > >Meanwhile about the Sat. dish vs breakfast. Don't be so >selfish! If you give up breakfast for 5.5 years you could >afford the dish... 8*) --Gee, only 5.5 years? Well, that's Different! How could I turn down such a deal! ;-) Don't let the gremlins get to you...YOUR mind would be a terrible thing to waste. You've got too much neat stuff up there, and you've hardly begun to tell me about all of it, so hang on. ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: The B-2 Ufo Date: 30 Mar 92 03:25:00 GMT > Anson; > Check the back issues of UFO Magazine. We ran the full > story in two parts of Tony Gonsalves research. > Don Next (obvious) question: In which back issues were the articles? Could you give me a hint about his research in the meantime? --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Anson Kennedy) Subject: Cosmic Thang And Cure-aliens Date: 30 Mar 92 03:37:00 GMT > I don't know about Cos' and his claims, but he sure > sounds like a man who's had some very big problems. > Remember he said he had beena (oops) been asked to be > on a TV program with Dr. Jacobs talking about abductee > experiences? I've just recently heard that such a > program has aired and 4 abductees were guests of Dr. > Jacobs to illustrate the story. I didn't get the > names of the guests (and didn't see the show myself). > Did you happen to hear of this, or do you know of > Cosmic ThAng was one of the four? I know Dr. Jacobs was on the Joan Rivers Show earlier this week and he had some abductees with him. I was home sick and missed iit (I could kick myself, but who wudda thought he'd be on Joan Rivers?), so I haven't any idea who was with him. If anyone out there has that show in video tape, maybe we can work out a deal, huh? --- Anson -- Anson Kennedy - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Anson.Kennedy@p0.f25.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Doug.Morrow@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Doug Morrow) Subject: Mycroft Date: 30 Mar 92 16:02:00 GMT Sheldon, One of the issues that needs to be addressed in our quest to make some sense of all of this is the increasing strangeness factor in the phenomena. The point I was trying to make in my comment about the newest sightings or abductions being the strangest goes far beyond the likelyhood of hoaxes. yes, they may be a factor, but I suspectthat there is something much more profound behind the strangeness factor. Before I go on, though, let me begin to define some terms that I think are very important. TRICKSTER, for the sake of this discussion, is assumed to be an external intelligence, whether from outer space (a VISITOR) or some other dimension (a la Vallee's ideas: FAIRIE). This entity(s) is quite capable of modifing "ordinary reality", and making us (at least individually) see and experience whatever it wants, whenever it wants. PHYSICAL TRACES need to be considered in the context of human stigmata, forms of which can be traced back hundreds of years (there needs to be some work done with people in medicine and parapsychology reguarding this phenomena). Therefore, a puncture wound, scar or even an implant "may" be generated by some human capacity, triggered by the TRICKSTER, or may come from some internal, subconscious human trigger. OK; where does this leave us? If it can be just about anything, how do we narrow down what it might "really" be? My suggestion is that, in the area of abductions at least, we begin with the theory that the abductions are caused by simple VISITORS (i.e. just what David and Bud seem to think they are, aliens from some other planet, here to cross breed with us or to modify our human stock for their own purposes.) If that theory is true, does it make sense? And spare me the complaint that one hears all too often that we can't understand alien actions or motivations. If the Simple VISITORS hypothesis is true, then we can understand then very well...not approve, perhaps, but understand... I'll get into that question later... I'm going to sign off for now. By the way, thanks for your thoughts...I always like to meet another individual who agrees with me. It probably won't last to long, but lets enjoy it will we can. Doug. -- Doug Morrow - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Doug.Morrow@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************