Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 553 Friday, May 15th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Black aircraft road flares Re: CE 369 Re: Valle book Re: 'Alien Spacecraft' Blasted by Hunters Alien Spacecraft Hoax Story Re: road flares Re: Black Aircraft Black aircraft Re: ROAD FLARES Klass Vs Ecker Re: Triangle Sighting Mike's Friend's UFO/Jumpjet... Re: Aussie UFOs Announcement Re: Ufo-pics From Ed Walters,New Arguments Another Hoax..ed "the Toymaker" Walters CSETI and Dr. Steven Greer Re: road flares CE 369 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Black aircraft Date: 6 May 92 04:48:00 GMT > A colleague of mine here in Australia informs me that he heard a TV news > Bulletin recently about "Black aircraft." We've seen some revelations on TV news.... A couple of weeks ago, CNN had on a couple of seismologists who claimed that their instruments had recorded the signature of a Mach 5 or 6 aircraft (multiple booms), and there was speculation that the aircraft was "Aurora," the rumored replacement for the SR-71 Blackbird. Around the same time, there was a story on NBC in which (so I've heard) a USAF spokesman confirmed the existence of Aurora and its high-speed capability. Speculation has been that it's diamond-shaped and fairly large. Of course, it's *fast*, but no one has mentioned any ability to fly slowly or hover. I gather it's an air-breather jet with some sort of ramjet technology for high-altitude high-speed flight. I presume it's relatively stealthy, probably with quite a bit of ceramic and/or composite construction. Although I'd guess it's pretty difficult to be stealthy while making multiple booms. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: road flares Date: 6 May 92 05:14:01 GMT > Can you find out, 1) Who took the videos, 2) Who analyzed them, 3) Who > reported the above, 4) Has that been independently confirmed? Picky picky. ;-) Rex Salisberry sent me a paper on the "control" flare videotape. The person who conducted the control experiment was not identified, and Rex declined to identify the person per his request. However, the paper describing the experiment looked reasonably thorough and straightforward. The intent was to get a spectral "signature" of ordinary road flares. As for the video shot through a diffraction grating of a redlight ufo, I came across that tidbit somewhere, but at this point, I don't recall where. I *think* it was in a MUFON Journal. And of course I don't recall who made that tape. But I got the feeling that it wasn't the person who'd made the control tape. I'll dig through all my stuff and see if I can come up with some info. As I'm sure you know, MUFON's keeping all this stuff rather closely-held. And that means the Pensacola group and HQ. BTW, Walt has had Hyzer's report for a while now....it's about time for him to comment, answer questions about it etc. > I just can't help thinking we're getting a lot of smoke from the same > old sources. You got it. I've been wondering about flares.....the idea of somehow attaching a road flare to a balloon, having it ignite after a delay, drift around, not ignite the whole thing, *and not have debris found* is sounding rather unlikely. I'd think parachute flares would be more likely. But those would have to be dropped from above....an aircraft or balloon? No one has mentioned seeing the "meteor trail" that's made when a parachute flare is shot from a flare gun. Rambling on about flares.....every time I've seen a parachute flare, it's clearly illuminated its smoke unless it was *very* far away. But supposedly triangulation put the most recent red lights within a mile or so of most of the observers; actually more like almost right overhead. All those people, not all true believers, looking at those lights, with binocs etc.....and no one that I know of claimed to have seen smoke. Plus, the point has been made many times that the lights haven't been observed to drift with the wind. Anyway....the idea that they're flares lofted by balloons just doesn't *feel* right. -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: CE 369 Date: 5 May 92 16:11:01 GMT If lasers are attracting UFO's we should have someone stationed just next to Epcot and Disney every night? I bet it's driving those space guys crazy seeing that show every night. John are you watching? -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Valle book Date: 8 May 92 03:23:00 GMT Hi Keith, True, I don't mind seeing another person's viewpoint regarding a book before I actually read it myself. I still have not read Jacobs' new book, but I WILL! I have heard that it is "kind of scary." Right now, I'm still reading MESSENGERS OF DECEPTION by Vallee, and now, as I near the end of the book, I can see this book mostly exposes "contactees," not "abductees" -- the terrified, confused people you see in your work, and the people David Jacobs describes in his book. The Contactees all seem to take their experience as some sort of "neat experience" and seem oddly at peace about it. The abductees, on the other hand, are scared, angry, confused, and hardly believe themselves that the experience happened. Vallee (in M of D) did pick on Betty Hill, and argued that her Star Map was somehow contrived just for her to see, and that it was not a bona fide map for navigating. Still...some unusual things came to light about that map later when Marjorie Fish studied it in detail. (If you don't know what I'm talking about, I can send you an article.) Hope you receive all your goodies soon "down under." Best, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mvax.cc.conncoll.edu!gateh Subject: Re: 'Alien Spacecraft' Blasted by Hunters Date: 8 May 92 15:13:17 GMT From: gateh@mvax.cc.conncoll.edu (Gregg A. TeHennepe) + From: James Roger Black + Subject: 'Alien Spacecraft' Blasted by Hunters + Date: 1 May 92 05:18:56 GMT + + In comp.risks on Usenet News, Bear Giles + of the National Oceanic & Atmospheric Administration's Boulder Labs writes: + + + Network Wind Profiler Severely Damaged + + + A wind profiler in OAR's Wind Profiler Demonstration Network (WPDN) was + + severely damaged by several shot-gun blasts late last week. On March + + 28, just before sunrise, two men and one woman were pheasant hunting in + + southern Nebraska [and] came across the McCook wind profiler and + + mistook it for an alien spacecraft... [remainder deleted] As reported in the subsequent RISKs Digest, this story was part of an April Fools joke; the incident is entirely fictional. I have deleted the issue, but if more detailed info is required, I'd be happy to dig a copy out of the archives. Cheers... - Gregg Internet: gateh@mvax.cc.conncoll.edu BITNET/CREN: gateh@conncoll -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu!jrblack Subject: Alien Spacecraft Hoax Story Date: 8 May 92 19:17:24 GMT From: James Roger Black On May 1 I reposted to InfoPara a Usenet News story entitled ''Alien Spacecraft' Blasted by Hunters'. It turns out that this story was an April Fool's joke that got out of hand. It's a pity ... it was such a *good* story. No doubt we'll all be hearing about it, in various incarnations, for years to come. Oh, well ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Roger Black jrblack@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: road flares Date: 9 May 92 05:33:00 GMT Correct me if I'm wrong, John, but weren't some kids actually -caught- early on sending up laundry bag balloons with road flares attached? Something like two years ago? I think I read that in Phil Klass' SUN newsletter, so consider the source. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Black Aircraft Date: 9 May 92 05:48:00 GMT To Rick Pavek: When you say: nA> Timber Wind is thought to be a nuclear powered craft that utilizes a nA> directed nA> thrust and I didn't see any evidence of thrust (or incandescent can you tell me, "thought to be" by whom? It seems from your address that you are in the aerospace industry; is this the scuttlebutt you are hearing from your compadres? This area is most interesting to me, as I am developing some theories that might apply to some of the triangle shapes being seen. Thanks, Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: Black aircraft Date: 8 May 92 04:55:00 GMT Thanks for your comments on this JIm. We will wait and see. -- Keith Basterfield - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: ROAD FLARES Date: 6 May 92 17:38:05 GMT I used to launch helium balloons on a string. Just like flying a kite. (poor little hamsters took the trip up there at least once, but all survived without incident) But yes, that's a good idea. One could hold against the wind, jiggle it back and forth, let it run out and stop etc. Nothing says this is the ultimate explination, but personally the red lights are very suspicious. Oh lets see, a film crew is here, gee look at that a UFO right on schedule. Something smells in Gulf Breeze besides dead fish on the landing. -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Klass Vs Ecker Date: 11 May 92 22:43:00 GMT > Do you have tapes of the Klass/Ecker face-off? > > In any case, how did it go? I have been swamped with so much work. I have not had a chance to do much here, but will do it in the next few days with a report and information about the tapes. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Triangle Sighting Date: 11 May 92 22:45:00 GMT > Aside from general appearance, is there any overt reason or observation > to preclude this from being a conventional craft? Yes. The lack of any wings. And, the lights were definitely like nothing I have ever seen on an airplane in such numbers or configuration. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bcstec.ca.boeing.com!kuryakin Subject: Mike's Friend's UFO/Jumpjet... Date: 12 May 92 01:14:08 GMT From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Mike Writes: +An acquaintance of mine in upstate New York recently saw an aircraft that +he thought was a spaceship. It was shaped like a regular airplane but +instead of regular wings had two massive shapes on each side of the central +fuselage; the shapes were on the end of what appeared to be very short +connecting 'wings' on either side of the fuselage. He said it made a loud +whining or humming sound, moved very slowly and then zoomed away. It's +general description made me wonder whether it was a stealth version of a +jump-jet (like the Harrier) with hover capability. There is a major +airbase in the area. Sighting was late at night over a residential area. Sounds like either the XV-15 or the V-22 Osprey, to me... They are made (the V-22, that is) made in Philly, it's not too hard to imagine them doing short test hops to nearby general aviation facilities... The engines would almost certainly qualify as _massive shapes_ on stubby wings... Anybody else see the preview clips of the Fox Network UFO show for this Friday? It's the films of the Laser attraction experiment. Some pretty wierd stuff... Rick Pavek -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Aussie UFOs Date: 12 May 92 03:11:00 GMT Hi John, Oh Boy!! Betcha we'll see something in Lucius Farrish's newspapers about this! (hope so) Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: Announcement Date: 13 May 92 04:03:03 GMT * Forwarded from "ParaNet General Echo" * Originally by Mike Keithly * Originally to All * Originally dated 12 May 1992, 21:02 To all ParaNet/MICAP users who logon here at 104/605, I recently installed a new modem here (actually an older one with a new chip) so far so good if you have any problems getting on here let me know on Mike Corbins board 104/422, and he will pass it along to me. I expect no problems but who knows, if it proves to be a hassle or too many failed attempts I will put the old 2400 back in. For reference it is a Compucom Modem.. Thank You Mike Keithly -- Mike Keithly - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Ufo-pics From Ed Walters,New Arguments Date: 13 May 92 20:32:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Ian Bacon * Originally dated 05-13-92 12:48 From: ibacon@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov (Ian Bacon) Date: 12 May 92 19:53:18 GMT Organization: Goddard Space Flight Center Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal,sci.skeptic,sci.space I try to stay out of these arguements, really I do, but sometimes I just can't help myself . . . leo@zelator.in-berlin.de (Stefan Hartmann) writes: [lots of stuff about wax models of aliens, out of focus photos of what look like floor standing lamps with funny lampshades, etc deleted ] >Are you interested in Bob Lazar? He has made a very interesting video >tape discussing the technology he worked with at Nellis Air Force Base >which you might wish to purchase. Bob is important because he has a >Master's in Physics and has some paper evidence of his government >employment history. If you are, I can get you an address from which >you can order his tape. I have seen this and, even though I'm just an >electrical engineer, I consider his words to be quite compelling. Oh, dear. I confess. I've seen this tape. I didn't buy it, it was loaned to me by my local RUFOL (raving UFO loony). Having put the kids to bed, my wife (a student of biological sciences, having no physics or engineering background) and I sat down to watch. Lazar started off (I'll summarize for those not fortunate enough to have seen this) explaining about how the ... electroweak? maybe it was the electrostrong? force, whichever one has not been unified with other forces, anyway, is actually the force which unifies with gravity, and is actually propagated by gravity, waves, which definitely exist because gravitons are completely bogus. This force thus unifies gravity with the other electromagnetic fields, and, as is true for all such fields (not me saying this, remember, these are Bob Lazar's words) can consequently be amplified. The next point that he went into was heavy trans-uranic elements.As the elements get heavier, their half life gets smaller, until you get to element 114, which is very stable, non-radioactive and is abundant, although not on Earth (rats!). Now, if you add a proton to 114, it becomes 115, which is very unstable. So unstable, in fact, that it almost instantly decays back to element 114, releasing an anti-matter particle in the process. Now we come to the alien crafts which Lazar worked on. In these, a small chunk of element 114 is bombarded with protons, causing large numbers of anti-protons to be emitted, from which huge amounts of power are generated. This power is used to drive gravity generators, which are gimballed so that they can be pointed in any desired direction, warping space in the process, so that the craft can travel directly through warped space without violating causality by needing to travel ftl. He gave no detail of how the gravity amplifiers work. So that's it. Does all this sound a little familiar? Anti-matter/matter reactions? Warp generators? My wife got it immediately. He was describing the propulsion system of the Star Ship Enterprise! A quick reference to my Star Trek technical manual verifies the major points. I can't find the exact reference, but I recall somewhere, maybe in one of the TV shows, one of the Engineers, probably Geordie LaForge, discussing DiLithium, which, as we all know is the main power source for the Enterpoop, as being a trans-uranic element. Even the number 114 rings a bell. The next day, I discussed it with my RUFOL, pointing out the genesis of the design. His response was, "Maybe that's how the government are releasing the information! It makes sense!" Sure it does. Okay, phasers on kill, guys. -- Ian -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Ian Bacon | internet: ibacon@seamis1.gsfc.nasa.gov | | Telos Systems Group | ian@tsg.com | | Chantilly, Virginia | telephone: (703) 802-1730 | | But that's just my opinion, of course. | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Another Hoax..ed "the Toymaker" Walters Date: 13 May 92 20:34:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Travis R. Stone * Originally dated 05-13-92 12:49 From: STONE@Zeus.unomaha.edu (Travis R. Stone) Date: 12 May 92 23:36:42 GMT Organization: University of Nebraska at Omaha Message-ID: <1992May12.233642.11233@news.unomaha.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Oh, boy. I have to admit that the photographs in Ed Walters' book "The Gulf Breeze Sightings" looked very convincing to me, backed up as they were by (ha-ha) "expert testimony" like that of Dr. Bruce Maccabee (or Macabee or Macaroon or however the hell you spell it,) the renowned head of the Vacation Slides Technology Division of Fox Photo. Now they find models in the "Terrible Toymaker's" garage attic, lending strong evidence to the idea that Walters is just another hoaxer who has managed to pull the wool over the eyes of poor, gullible John Q. Public and make a fast buck in the process. It's crap like this that makes me think that ANYONE who claims to have had a UFO experience, and whose claim is supported by "expert opinion"---especially one during which startling "photographs" were taken---should NOT be given "the benefit of the doubt" by researchers---serious skeptics and predisposed believers alike--- because the so-called "experts" we stupid peons rely upon to winnow out the fraudulent from the factual are in fact incapable of doing so, but nevertheless proceed to lend undeserved substance to the hoaxer's claims with their pronouncements of "I don't see how this could have been faked, and I'M AN EXPERT." I think that, from now on, whenever somebody comes jogging up waving his eight-by-ten color glossy photographs of the really cool flying saucer he's just snapped, one should politely look them over and make with the obligatory "My-goodness-this-is-most-impressive-Edward" line of palaver while privately expressing to oneself the more probabilistically accurate assesment of "Uh-huh...In a pig's eye, Ed." It may turn out that this little canard of Ed Walters' will be the embarassing "kick in the kiester" the not-so-skeptic of the UFO community needed to bring them back to reality from their current dwelling-place, The Land Of Uncritical Acceptance. If so, then fine and dandy. If not, then things are no worse off than they were before; hard-core skeptics remain on one side of the fence and "believers" on the other, with each side content to moo its disapproval of the other's self-serving shortsightedness as loudly as it can. Moo, y'all. T.R. Stone University of Nebraska-Omaha Home of the Toughest Organic Chemistry Instructors in the Galaxy -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: yuba.wrs.com!davidj Subject: CSETI and Dr. Steven Greer Date: 15 May 92 08:17:01 GMT From: davidj@yuba.wrs.com (David Jones) Dr. Stephen Greer, MD, (head of the trauma department in a major hospital in North Carolina) who I was with and spoke to recently related the following experience to me: As everyone should already know, Dr. Greer is the founder and head of CSETI, the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence, whose primary pur- pose is to create CE5s - human initiated contact. With a group of 50 people, he went to Santa Rosa Island, off Gulf Breeze, and began his ET contact pro- tocol which includes: 1) coherent thought sequencing (since there are well over 200 verifyable cases where UFOs responded to the thoughts of earth humans); 2) sounds (of UFOs recorded by a friend, Colin Andrews, in the crop circles in England and of a sighting in Canada) and; 3) 1.5 million candle power hand-held lights blinking off and on in patterns. After beginning in the early evening of March 14, 1992, 5 craft appeared. Lights were blinked at the craft twice. Twice the craft blinked back. Then three times - four times - two times - seven times (I don't remember the exact order). Every- body freaked out. This was also seen, simultaneously, by 33 other people that were standing on the South Shoreline pier. Then, Dr. Greer and associ- ates, drew an equilateral triangle in the sky with their lights. One UFO each took a position at each corner of the triangle. Through binoculars, everyone could clearly see the superstructures above the UFO lights (which were circular and on emanating from the bottom of the crafts), and as shown in Ed Walter's, and so many others, photographs. Then Greer used pulsed light, blinking his high-powered lights in an arc over his head and ending on the beach behind them, to invite the ETs to land on this beach (next to them). As he did this, one craft came slowly towards them. While all this was going on, several of the witnesses panicked and left, or fell to their knees (for those of you who have never seen a real UFO, when you do, it is a very powerful consciousness changing experience - an experience that forces each witness to re-evaluate their own reality), others ooohed and aaahed, etc. Everyone became very emotional. The one craft continued to come toward them, then positioned itself directly overhead, blinked it's lights and then disappeared. While the craft was coming overhead, Greer decided that CSETI had better have contingency plans: namely, a boarding party. Therefore, from now on, for all CSETI meetings, we will have a group of people ready-willing-able to go on- board an ET spacecraft. This needs to be thought out a little since the peo- ple that go on board may never come back, or return in days or weeks or months, and whatever they experience, they must be able to handle it emotion- ally and mentally. In addition, we must insure that anyone on one of these boarding parties is going for altruistic and unselfish reasons. We do not want people that are there for selfish, political, military or any other similar reason. [Think about it for a moment - if YOU were going on board a spacecraft like this for the first time, what would you ask? What would you expect? What kind of diplomacy would you use? Who would you represent - yourself - CSETI - all of humanity? Think about it.... ] In addition, 6 of the witnesses received very strong telepathic messages. Therefore, it has been determined that from now on, all CSETI CE5s will now have four levels of earth humans that will consciously attempt telepathic contact with the ETs, and maintenance of this contact throughout any encounter. The message from these ETs, by the way, was that (and each person got a similar message, and recorded by each, separately, afterwords), the ETs were surprised that anyone was trying to contact them in a friendly, non- threatening manner, and that they were very happy that some earth humans had intents that were honorable. It was almost as if they were flattered. There are 6 videos of this encounter (I have seen 2 - one from each group), and many still photos (I saw 1) and several audio tape recordings of the CSETI proceedings. In addition to all this, there were several boats with fisherman in the bay as this sighting was going on and who went onto the beach and called the police. 10 minutes later, F-14s flew over (from Pensacola?). Each witness has told their story. Each has signed a document to the effect of what happened. Further information on this (more details) may be obtained from: Center For The Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence (CSETI) P.O. Box 15401 Asheville, North Carolina 28813 704 253-0509 In addition, Dr. Greer is one of the main people that will be sponsoring the Denver conference in 2 weeks (May 22 - 25). So, if you can get to Denver, then you, too, can view the evidence for yourself. Then no one can flame you for not doing your homework. (Yes, I will be there). As to whether Ed Walter's sightings are real, one of Greers witnesses has seen UFOs 120 times over Gulf Breeze, so, I suspect that whoever tries to discredit the Gulf Breeze sightings is simply a government disinformation agent, or someone that has not bothered to do their homework. Bob Oeschler has told me that if I, or anyone, wants to see a UFO, to go to Gulf Breeze over a 3 day weekend and you WILL see a UFO. I was with a man that was from there last week. Apparently there is a metaphysical bookstore that everyone hangs out at. I suppose you could go there and get the latest and greatest information about what is going on. By the way, when Greer asked the lady that had 120 previous UFO sightings what she did, she said she just watched. Greer is here to tell us we need to make contact: CE5 == human initiated contact. DON'T JUST WATCH - DO SOME- THING! Wave, send out thoughts, blink lights - DO SOMETHING - don't just sit there and watch like a bunch of cows! All CSETI meetings will now be in secured areas because, while all the above was going on, several unmarked trucks monitored the proceedings - government surveillance. Even well into the morning (until 5:00AM). Finally, CBS and Larry King wanted to put Dr. Greer on TV, but he declined because he could not have the final say on what was said - or shown - and he did not want to give the news people an opportunity to make this into a circus - or worse, which is what they have typically done in the past. -------------------- David W. Jones davidj@wrs.com OR uunet!wrs!davidj -------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: road flares Date: 12 May 92 21:56:01 GMT JS> Correct me if I'm wrong, John, but weren't some kids JS> actually -caught- early on sending up laundry bag balloons JS> with road flares attached? Something like two years ago? Yes, that's true; no one contests it. They sent up the flares over players and spectators at a night softball game, and the police took a rather dim view of their prank. So far as I've heard, it was readily apparent to witnesses what they saw. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: CE 369 Date: 13 May 92 05:53:05 GMT > If lasers are attracting UFO's we should have someone stationed just > next to Epcot and Disney every night? I bet it's driving those space > guys crazy seeing that show every night. John are you watching? Crazy? Disney's selling "skybox" tickets. ;-) Seriously....haven't heard of anything except an incident much farther to the southwest. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ********To have your comments in the next issue, send electronic mail to******** 'infopara' at the following address: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara DOMAIN infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com For administrative requests (subscriptions, back issues) send to: UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!infopara-request DOMAIN infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com To obtain back issues by anonymous ftp, connect to: DOMAIN ftp.uiowa.edu (directory /archives/paranet) Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ******************The**End**of**Info-ParaNet**Newsletter************************