Abduction Digest, Number 56 Thursday, April 9th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Overweight? Support Group Re: Abduction detection UFO Mag. Vol.7 #3 Dr. David Jacobs Abduction Detection abduction research _secret Life_ Reviewed Re: Support Group ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Overweight? Date: 7 Apr 92 05:20:01 GMT In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <05-April-92 22:48> Linda Bird wrote: LB> It is interesting that you bring up the overweight factor in LB> regards to female abductees. I was able to meet Debbie Tomey LB> of Budd Hopkins' book INTRUDERS and she is on the plump side. I too met "Kathie Davis"/Debra Tomey at the Chicago MUFON symposium last June. Interesting woman... and an intriguing case. I (and many others) still seem to feel that there *may* be some correlation between body fat and abductions in females, as disconnected as the two conditions might seem. I know David Jacobs has not seen this in his research... but that's part of the fun?? of all this. We all see things differently. Take care, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: Support Group Date: 7 Apr 92 05:21:02 GMT In a message to Sheldon Wernikoff <04-April-92> Jim Speiser wrote: JS> Well, it hasn't gotten off the ground yet, but it looks like it JS> might start pretty soon. We're getting a real influx of them JS> down here all of a sudden. Will keep everyone posted. You think you're being inundated now... just wait until next month when the _Intruders_ mini-series comes to town! I predict (perhaps this should go on "predictions") an enormous number of abductees coming out of the closet. Better batten down the hatches and have plenty of therapists on call. JS> My only experiences thus farhave been with female abductees JS> (and one male whom we agreed is probably not one). So I'm not JS> in a position to judge at this point. Do any of them happen to be left handed? Regards, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Re: Abduction detection Date: 4 Apr 92 21:09:00 GMT JS> think you could shoot us a schematic of how it should be JS> hooked together? I could try, but I have to tell you I'd be winging it. Basically you want your motion detector to close a relay when it "sees" motion. Many camcorders/vcrs use a remote or trigger that simply momentarily closes a pair of contacts to start the tape, so that pair of contacts would be closed by the relay. Let me know what you have, maybe send me pinouts or schematics and I'll see what I can do. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: UFO Mag. Vol.7 #3 Date: 7 Apr 92 05:59:00 GMT The new issue of UFO Magazine was just sent to press this date. Vol. 7 #3 promises to be a very big and very controversial issue. The Whistleblowers: The Mel Noel Story. That guy featured in Tim Good's book "Above Top Secret" and on the Fox TV UFO Sightings: Part I. What is the real story? Well gang, here it is. New News from the Commonwealth of Nations; the old USSR. Paul Stonehill brings us news from Russia and UFOs that are interested in Russian Nuclear Sites. Puerto Rico is still a "UFO" Hotbed. Greg Bishop brings news from Puerto Rico on its ongoing UFO "flap", close encounters, etc. The Forum; Vicki Cooper answers critics on her stance on the Gulf Breeze photos. CONSPIRACY: Part I The opening of a special two part section: an intro to the vast array of conspiracy theories currently surrounding the UFO field. JFK Reappraised; The assassination conspiracy in Stones movie may be closer to the truth than many would believe, and more akin to the UFO mystery than you might believe. See what Col. Fletcher Prouty has to say. New SDI Stuff; What did the Pentagon have to say to UFO about Star Wars? Plus Dave Jacobs new book, reviews on new videos, and a WHOLE LOT MORE....... see ya there..... Best; Don -- Don Ecker - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Dr. David Jacobs Date: 7 Apr 92 06:10:00 GMT On April 12th, Dr. David Jacobs will be a guest on my program "UFOs Tonite". You will be able to pick us up on the Cable Radio Network at 9:00 PM PST and 12:00 AM Eastern. Of course also all the other times in between. You will be able to ask David questions you may have, discuss his new book "Secret Life" and find out what is happening right now. Tune in and we will see you there. Best; Don -- Don Ecker - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Abduction Detection Date: 8 Apr 92 04:26:00 GMT > He stated that in all of his years of working with patients, he has never > heard one claim of abduction. That's interesting. Did he mention any claims of contact, rather than abduction? > Sheldon brings up a very good point regarding the pre-disposition of the > alleged abductee seeking out a hypnotherapist or doctor in psychology > for the exploration of a possible abduction experience. Yes, here we have an opening for screwiness. If a person doesn't know of *and accept* the possibility of abduction by space aliens, then a person wouldn't seek help in exploring a possible abduction, right? So there'd be a predisposition. > I find it quite unusual that a > psychiatrist would not have at least one person in his client base > telling him this story. Yes, I agree. I'd think that even if a psychiatrist doesn't have someone claiming to have been abducted, the same story would come out anyway. But I suspect the abduction story has reached a *very* small number of psychiatrists and psychologists, so Budd's finding might not be so far off the mark; we're just not hearing of it from those doctors maybe because they're interpreting the stories to be something else. Also, since abduction memories appear to be repressed, lots of people could be receiving treatment but the cause of their problems has never been determined. I know a couple of people who have *never* been exposed to ufo abduction literature who have told me very similar stories to the classic "abduction story" in dribs and drabs over time. There could have been no collusion, and they had no discernible interest in ufology. One of those people has been a client of a psychiatrist for about 10 years and the doctor did not uncover the story. I believe the trigger for these two people was my interest in the ufo phenomenon and I think something I said or maybe showed them "unlocked" the first memories. Only one of the two has been hypnotized, but that was in no way a regression attempt. Also, neither *claimed* anything or told anyone else. So here's one who's likely to have been an abduction victim, if indeed there are such things as abductions, and the doctor never heard the story. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: abduction research Date: 8 Apr 92 04:31:01 GMT > he agreed that we just don't see abduction > experiences being exposed spontaneously during the course of > psychotherapy. OTOH, a patient who believes himself to have been abducted might logically consider such a story too nutball to even tell a psychiatrist. Or might be afraid of commitment. Also, since the abduction memory commonly appears to be repressed, it might not come out without the patient and doctor actively looking for it. Plus I suspect most doctors would routinely interpret such a story as meaning something else entirely, or just dismiss it as fantasy. We're not hearing from those doctors. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: _secret Life_ Reviewed Date: 8 Apr 92 04:34:00 GMT > > Van Marte also critiqued Ellen Crystall's new book _Silent > Invasion: The Shocking Discoveries of a UFO researcher_, > far less > favorably than your work I might add. > Sheldon: What did Lynn have to say about Ellen Crystall's book? Bob Girard ripped it to shreds in the latest Arcturus catalog. -- John -- John Burke - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Support Group Date: 8 Apr 92 06:16:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <04-06-92 22:21> Sheldon Wernikoff wrote: SW> You think you're being inundated now... just wait until next month SW> when the _Intruders_ mini-series comes to town! I predict (perhaps Oh golly, I can hardly wait. SW> Do any of them happen to be left handed? SW> I dunno, but Mark Rodeghier's in town, I'll ask him tomorrow. 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