Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 565 Wednesday, July 8th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Re: Sts-ufo - Hard Copy Re: Articles Re: What Can We Do? (And Swamp Gas Journal!) Re: Vcr Alert: Ufo Abductionists On Parade Re: Hard Copy Shows Nasa Ufo Video Caution For Ufo Investigators Caution For Ufo Investigators Re: Hard Copy Shows Nasa Ufo Video What Can We Do? Mit Abductee's Meeting Re: Closed Abductee Conference Re: Closed Abductee Conference MIT Conference UFO Conferences Re: "ANZA UFO" VIDEO "ANZA UFO" VIDEO Don's GB Sighting Report ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Sts-ufo - Hard Copy Date: 15 Jun 92 13:46:00 GMT In a message to Jim Speiser <06-14-92 14:37> Richard Salts wrote: RS> Hello Jim! Hello Richard! RS> that Ed Walters is a fraud and I wonder what, in the way of evidence, RS> you have to PROVE that. As I've said many times before, Richard, the hoax hypothesis is always unprovable. No matter what evidence is presented, someone can always come up with a "how do you know...". I regard photo #6 as extremely strong evidence that Ed is a fraud, but others have told me, "How do you know he wasn't able to track the object exactly for half a second?" RS> very dubious and questionable example to make your point and you may RS> just be UNmaking it in the process. RS> The efficacy of the Piper case has no bearing whatsoever on my point. Ms. Piper may very well have been genuine, and it will still be true that charlatans are capable of acting just as sincere and as pious as Mother Theresa. "The key to life is sincerity. Once you can fake that, you've got it made." --Groucho Marx Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Articles Date: 15 Jun 92 20:13:00 GMT Hi Vlad, You gave me a start (with offer of trip to Australia), then a good laugh when I realized you'd have to win the lottery first!! Hohoho! Same here! Then I can donate thousands to my favorite UFO organizations. I'll get the Gulf Breeze articles to you, and will include a note about what I might like in exchange. Actually, I like all things - am a "generalist," actually. In 3 1/2 weeks I'll be attending the MUFON conf. in New Mexico. I went to one before (Florida, 1990) and they are truly enjoyable. Best, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: What Can We Do? (And Swamp Gas Journal!) Date: 15 Jun 92 20:30:00 GMT Hi Chris, Was just thinking of you! I'd love to see a copy of your Swamp Gas Journal; do you still have my address? How's your baby?? Must be walking by now. I'm trying to finish up a certificate program this summer. It's no fun. Things are quiet in the skies. I'm going to the MUFON UFO Conf. in July, but most everyone thinks (because I told 'em so) that I'm going to a "science conference." Then their eyes glaze over, and that's the end of that. Because I have a teaching major in geology, they think I'm going off to see a bunch of rocks. Funny, huh, in a sad sort of way... All my news! Best to you, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Vcr Alert: Ufo Abductionists On Parade Date: 15 Jun 92 20:37:00 GMT HI Mike, Rec'd this post too late to tape it. Hope someone saw it and will comment. I wonder why the abductees were unhappy? But I bet I can guess why. They were probably treated with disbelief and extreme skepticism. Regards, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Hard Copy Shows Nasa Ufo Video Date: 15 Jun 92 20:46:00 GMT Hi Vlad- By all means post your article and correspondences with J. Oberg. Remember, a lot of us are new to this field, not old-timers like you and Jim S. Thanks, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Marc.Michalik@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Marc Michalik) Subject: Caution For Ufo Investigators Date: 16 Jun 92 20:56:00 GMT This is the most rediculous load of BS I have ever heard. EBEs are not going to respect us for carpooling. I can't believe that this person actually thinks that UFO researchers should conceal evidence if they find it. The enviroment and UFOs have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Quite frankly, I'd bet the EBEs (greys, whatever) could care less about how much we polute our atmosphere. Furthermore, I doubt that they see us as lab rats. Being a former "rat" myself I have insight into this. Suppose we were to find a planet of apes. We, being far enough along to know that we were once much the same, would be extreamly interested in them. We would study them, take them on-board our ships (where our scientific facilaties would be) and examine them. We would probably observe their devolopement for as long as they survived or until they evolved to a point where they recognized our presance. When they did recognize that we exsisted do you think that we would extreminate our "brothers" for it? Of course not! Does all of this sound familiar? It should. It is my deepest hope that UFO researchers everywhere see this idea for what it is -- unethical and just plain wrong. The government most likely (I believe definately) has been keeping this secret from us for years, UFO researchers had better not do the same. It is possible that such an act by those who the abductees trust to do their best to help uncover the mystery could lead to violence and open attacks on government agencies suspected of having information. History has shown that when a group of people who feel they have been wronged by their government come to the conclusion that there is no hope for help, those people react in the only manner left to them -- violently. -- Marc Michalik - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Marc.Michalik@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: Caution For Ufo Investigators Date: 17 Jun 92 04:45:01 GMT Marc you replied to me already in the FidoNet UFO echo, or did you have more to say on the subject.. Mike Keithly -- Mike Keithly - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Hard Copy Shows Nasa Ufo Video Date: 16 Jun 92 15:30:00 GMT Don: In a message to Jim Speiser <06-13-92 12:40> Don Ecker wrote: DE> Well it looks as if my system is now up and running once again. Welcome back! DE> determine the approx. rate of speed of the object in "EVENT 2". This DE> story is only beginning, much more to come. I will advise. How can the speed be determined without some distance information? DE> BTW, the business about the object being "piss in space" or as some DE> pundits are calling the ice from waste water, in PURE crap. The Well, make up your mind, is it piss or crap? :-) Actually, I think its a bit early in the investigation to be discarding possible alternative explanations, especially since we don't have the time-indexed logs yet. The "bloom" on the screen just prior to the objects turning sure does seem to be a thruster firing. The ice could have been there from a previous waste water venting. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: What Can We Do? Date: 18 Jun 92 04:15:00 GMT > We need a center for research. We need salaried professionals > and we need sufficient funds to continue major lines of > research. At the moment we have none of this - and the few > competent souls that carry the torch are often crushed by > negative press and self serving entrepreneurs. You're spot on Tom. But how can we achieve all this? Where do we get the money for "salaried professionals"? A word of caution here. There are also profess- ionals who have one track mind when it comes to UFOs, especially if they don't possess a sound knowledge of the phenomenon. It is much better to use professionals as consultants and leave UFO research to highly competent, experienced, honest, non-believer, middle-of-the road, type researchers. Yes, there are a few competent souls that carry the torch but they are not only crushed by negative press and self serving entrepeneurs, they are also often crushed by non-competent researchers and "experts' (who in fact are NOT researchers or experts) and whose only interest is to write books on the subject. Our biggest problem is that they sound so convincing and the general public believe what they read in those books. I prefer to read articles and refereed documents rather than books. I have had so many arguments with people who, after I had shown them facts and figures, still prefer to believe what's written in the "So and so" book. -- Vladimir Godic - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Mit Abductee's Meeting Date: 17 Jun 92 06:32:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu * Originally dated 06-16-92 18:21 From: crago_l@cubldr.colorado.edu Date: 16 Jun 92 16:14:46 GMT Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Message-ID: <1992Jun16.091446.1@cubldr.colorado.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Hopefully we'll get some information on the MIT conference from Paranet; meanwhile, this from Sunday's Boston Globe: People Gather at MIT, Tell of Alien Abductions by David L. Chandler BOSTON__ There are hundreds of these people, and the stories they tell are strikingly similar, and similarly incredible: They were abducted by aliens, taken aboard a spaceship, poked, examined, sometimes scarred and eventually returned home. For the most part, they don't apeak publicly about these memories because of snickers they invariably elicit. But this weekend, in what may be the largest gathering ever of UFO abductees and the scientists and authors who study them, they are meeting at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology to discuss this phenomenon. Sponsored by am MIT physicist and a Harvard psychiatrist, the closed, invitation-only conference is neither sanctioned nor endorsed by MIT, and all participants have signed a pledge swearing not to divulge what is said within its four days of sessions. The meeting is intended to allow abductees and researchers to compare notes on experiences, how best to conduct such research, and how to help people troubled by memories they say they have of being abused by aliens. Because many of the 150 expected participants fear for their jobs if word of their involvement gets out, conference chairman David Pritchard, an MIT physicist, is trying to keep the whole thing under wraps. Until 2-1/2 years ago, Harvard psychiatrist John Mack, cochairman of the closed meeting, said he was skeptical of the whole idea of UFO abductions. "I gave it no credence at all," he said. But after interviewing more than 60 people who say they have been kidnapped and experimented upon by aliens, he said, "the information I've gotten from them is just staggering." They tell "very consistent and powerful stories," he said. Most abduction stories are similar to the ont told by Pat, pseudonym. Pat said she was lying on her bed several years ago when she became aware of a blue beam of light in her room. She went outside and saw police crusers at a nearby lot. That's when she found herself transported upward into a UFO, where she was examined on a table, her eye was cut with a knife, and she observed alien beings and children who appeared to be half-alien, half-human. Clearly shaken by her recollections of the experience, which she remembered years later through hypnosis, she said during a recent appearance on the talk show "Nighttalk with Jane Whitney" that "I wish I could be a disbeliever. "This is not like seeing Elvis at the Kmart," Pat said defensively on the Whitney show. But, she said, her accounts and those of other abductees are typically greeted with snickers, making them feel they have been victimized twice. It was the anguish of people such as Pat that caught Mack's interest. While not claiming to be able to say what actually happened to these people, Mack said that he is convinced they are victims of a real trauma who need help and understanding. Others think, however, it is the very people doing the "investigations" who are inducing the traumas. And many scientists and mental health professionls are willing to believe these people have indeed experienced something traumatic. But some think there may be other explanations -- dimly remembered childhood sexual abuse, for example. END OF ARTICLE Regards, Lou Crago -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Closed Abductee Conference Date: 17 Jun 92 22:56:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Robert Sheaffer * Originally dated 06-17-92 12:24 From: sheaffer@netcom.com (Robert Sheaffer) Date: 17 Jun 92 14:13:52 GMT Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest) Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic In article <1161@sousa.ltn.dec.com> bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com () writes: > >re: >>The problem is, anyone attending the conference has to sign a "confidentiality >>agreement." >> >> Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com > >Mr. Scheaffer get a life, this is absolutely untrue. >dave > (This is the confidentiality agreement sent by mail to all persons registering for the "Abduction Study Conference" at M.I.T., June 13-17, 1992. It was necessary to sign this to receive confirmation of registration.) Abduction Study Conference Conferee's Agreement (a condition of attendance at conference) 1. In order to foster free discussion, this conference is closed to the press. I agree not to indicate in any public forum who said what at this conference--the proceedings will be the only quotable conference reference. (Of course you can reference something as "Dr. X, private communication" after you have checked that this is OK with Dr. X; just don't say that she said it at the M.I.T. Abduction Study Conference.) 2. I agree not to record the conference proceedings. 3. I acknowledge that I can't bring guests into the meeting rooms. (Guests who purchase the special food badge can join the conferees at coffee breaks and meals.) 4. I certify that any written material which I submit for inclusion in the conference proceedings has not been and will not be submitted for publication elsewhere, except possibly in a book in which I am the principle (sic) author. I transfer all right, title, and copyright permission to David E. Pritchard and John E. Mack, editors, so they can register copyright for this material as part of the proceedings of this conference. 5. I grant permission for the conference organizers to record my presentations, comments, and questions for inclusion (slightly edited) in the conference proceedings. I do [] do not [] want my questions and comments to be identified with my conference name. SIGNED ______________________________________________ (end) (However, upon arrival at the registration desk, conference attendees were required to sign the following, more restrictive confidentiality agreement.) Conferee's Agreement (a condition of attendance at Abduction Study Conference) 1. In order to foster free discussion and protect the identities of participants and attendees, this is a closed scientific meeting. It is emphatically closed to the press, and I agree not to discuss with any reporter or in any public forum or publication any of the following: material in the abstracts book for this meeting, what transpired at this meeting, or who said what at this meeting--the proceedings will be the only quotable meeting reference. (Of course you can reference what Dr. X says to you privately as "private communication, Dr. X"; just don't say that she said it at the meeting at M.I.T.) 2. I agree not to tape record the meeting. 3. I acknowledge that I can't bring guests into the meeting room. 4. I grant permission for the meeting organizers to tape record, transcribe, and edit my comments and questions for inclusion in the meeting proceedings. 5. I certify that any written material which I submit for inclusion in the conference proceedings has not been and will not be submitted for publication elsewhere, except for a book of which I am the principle (sic) author. I transfer all right, title, and copyright permission to David E. Pritchard and John E. Mack, editors, so they can register copyright for this material as part of the proceedings of this conference. 6. I realize that MIT has not sponsored or endorsed this meeting, but only has allowed the conference organizers to use its facilities. I won't call this the M.I.T. conference even after the proceedings come out--it will be the [Abduction Study] Conference at MIT. SIGNED ____________________________________________________ -- Robert Sheaffer - Scepticus Maximus - sheaffer@netcom.com Past Chairman, The Bay Area Skeptics - for whom I speak only when authorized! "Every psychic investigator of [the medium] Mrs. Piper was impressed by her simplicity and honesty. It never occurred to them that no charlatan ever achieves greatness by acting like a charlatan. No professional spy acts like a spy. No card cheat behaves at the table like a card cheat." - Martin Gardner (writing in "Free Inquiry", Spring, 1992) -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Closed Abductee Conference Date: 17 Jun 92 23:12:00 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Michael Corbin * Originally dated 06-17-92 16:07 Robert, First, in answer to your questions about the person(s) at the conference, I would say that there would be no violation of the confidentiality agreement that was signed. The persons at the conference are affiliated with ParaNet in one way or another and have acted as correspondents to our group in the past. I am sure that they would not act in disregard to their promises made to the group. On another note, since you posted the actual agreement, I would ask you to provide me with information as to who you got this copy from, either via netmail or in this conference in order that we may verify its accuracy. If this is an accurate rendition of the actual agreement that the attendees signed, I feel the tone of the agreement spells more trouble for legit research as I strongly condemn anything that is done as scientific research which is conducted under cover. After reading the agreement, I also feel it is simply another attempt by an up and coming future abduction author to make more money at publishing stories and not doing anything toward legit research that would gain an understanding of what is really going on. If this is the case, I will publicly condemn it. I would also question why the attendees would blatantly sign over their rights to Pritchard and Mack and allow them to shroud this in secrecy. Finally, I am not a scientist, however I would like to know if anyone out there can comment on how valid this procedure is with regards to actual legit research. Is this common? Regards, Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: MIT Conference Date: 18 Jun 92 05:21:00 GMT I recently posted a rendition of a "confidentiality agreement" posted by Robert Sheaffer in another conference. I would like to know if this type of agreement is considered proper procedure for an undertaking such as what is being proposed by Pritchard and Mack? Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: UFO Conferences Date: 17 Jun 92 19:45:00 GMT Hi Pete, So far I have only attended one MUFON conf. and that was in Pensacola in 1990. I didn't see any weirdos or purple hair types or "crystal rubbers" (hehe). I think MUFON is too intellectual for those fringe elements. However!! I DID see some strange folks at Tim Beckley's BeckleyCon in Phoenix, Sept. 1991. And, there's another New Age group trying to form in this area, calling themselves the New Sciences Forum, but they're really new agers, dog psychologists, channelers, and some guy who says he was one of the aliens captured at Roswell (but then he died) - uh huh. (It must be the intense sunlight out here.) As far as self-destructing -- tsk, tsk. I saw William (Bill) Cooper doing just that at the BeckleyCon in Sept. '91. Glug glug. You betcha I'll make a report on the New Mexico Conf., and will type something else up on a recent MUFON meeting here. See ya, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Pete Porro) Subject: Re: "ANZA UFO" VIDEO Date: 15 Jun 92 20:15:40 GMT I was wrong about the price, the bottom of the line marine units like the one on the show are over $3,000 not $2,000 as I wrote before. I suppose then could tilt it towards the sky and have a good field to explore. Range on these things is not that great either. R10X Raytheon $2,295 list (ignore the first part again, I found a discount house) sells for $1799. Can't find the specs. but some are 8 miles, another was 20 miles. The RT-R10X if it is 20 miles, is not really long range. I think this was the one on the show, unless it was the Panasonic. Either way it sure looked like the standard marine radar. -- Pete Porro - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Pete.Porro@f414.n154.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: "ANZA UFO" VIDEO Date: 17 Jun 92 07:07:09 GMT > I suppose then could tilt it towards the sky and have a good field to > explore. Yeah, I think that might work fairly well. As I recall, these things have pretty narrow lobes, since of course sailors generally don't care about airplanes, so I suspect the up-angle would need to be pretty precise in order to not see all mountains, or just way overhead etc. I'm getting a little out of my depth....I've been on boats that had radar... almost always non-working. And I once saw a roller-furling genoa that had a nice radome-shaped chunk missing out of it.....they couldn't get it rolled up so they just let it flog. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Don's GB Sighting Report Date: 17 Jun 92 09:40:02 GMT **** Don's Gulf Breeze Sighting Report **** This past weekend (6/13-14), I left for a 3 day weekend to meet some friends up in the Gulfbreeze area. I arrived shortly before 5 in the afternoon as it was a 7 1/2 hour drive from my home in Sanford,Fla to the Pensacola city limits. Right after I arrived, a friend took me on a tour of the Gulf Breeze area, starting with Shoreline Park and ending up at Fort Pickens. This was my first trip. I stayed at the Gulfbreeze Holiday Inn (51 Gulf Breeze Pkwy), which overlooks Pensacola Bay. We met the following people for dinner at the Inn's Bon Appetit restaurant: Dr. Steven Greer of CSETI, Rosemary Ellen Guiley, Director of the Center for North American Crop Circle Studies, Bruce and Ann Morrison of the Gulf breeze Skywatch organization, Vicki Lyons, Bob Oueschler, Boots Eckert, Field Investigator for Pensacola MUFON. After a lively dinner, we headed out to Fort Pickens, which is across the bridge from Gulf Breeze and drove to a spot that Dr. Steven Greer,Oueschler and Bruce Morrison had picked earlier in the day. It was a "pull-off" spot off the main road large enough for about 20 vehicles. I would estimate that around 40 people were gathered there within a short time of our arrival at 9:30 pm on Saturday night on June 13th. To better describe this location: This is a long road on a very narrow island, which dead-ends into the Spanish Fort . We were about 4 miles away from the actual Fort itself. At our backs was the Gulf, and in front of us was the rear side of the Pensacola Bay. From where we were situated, you could look across Pensacola Bay and see towards Shoreline Park, which is the area that many of the sightings have occurred. Bob Oueschler had his small pickup truck loaded down with a considerable amount of video gear. Both he and Bruce Morrison had several video cams set up, and Bob had a camera on loan that he was using from Bruce Maccabee which he told me was a .51 lux and it was very long,narrow and had an accompanying monitor to help out in the focusing process. There were, I would estimate at _least_ 15 video cameras set up. These ranged from the hand held type to the tripod mounted complete with very long telephoto lenses attached. Bruce Morrison was saying that the *previous* night (6/12) that his Skywatch team had observed the GB UFO arising _from_ Pensacola Bay. While I was conversing with both Bob Oueschler and Bruce Morrison, Dr. Steven Greer, and a few members of his CSETI group, went down to the nearby beach and did their "thought-sequencing" thing (more of a meditative type deal). They were a few minutes into doing this, when they re-joined the rest of us and started using their hand held 1/2 million candlepower lights to create triangular patterns in the night sky. It was about 10:15 at this point. Bruce Morrison had informed us that the GB UFO had been keeping to a "schedule" of around 10:30 for the last 5 nights so we watched as Greer's group was doing the "light-sequencing thing" and the rest of us took to saying "C'mon bubba!" (this is what the locals call the GB UFO :-) . All of the video cameras were pointed toward the bridge in the direction of Shoreline Park, as Bruce had indicated earlier that this was the most likely direction that the GB UFO would appear (he was later proved right). We watched the sky and noted all the aircraft coming and going (it's fairly busy)..noted all the constellations and even tracked a satellite going over to identify all the items that were recognizable and non-UFO. Noted that Jupiter was fairly bright. Noted we had a full moon partially obscured behind clouds to the rear of us. I was down at the other end of the parking lot talking to some people when I heard Bruce yell out "There it is!"..rushed over to Bob Oueschler's pickup and looking up saw a BRILLIANT white light over Pensacola Bay and in the direction that Bruce said it would be. I would estimate it to have been about 2 miles away from us and it appeared to be about 3-4000 ft high. As we watched, the LIGHT flashed several times very quickly, then it changed colors from white to a deep red. The change to red lasted several seconds and it faded out altogether for 7 sec by my watch as if a rheostat had been turned down. It came back to white seconds later, and I could see flashes of green, then once more back to red. Duration of this sighting lasted just a bit over 1 minute. During this time, no movement was observed. The object did a slow fade and was not seen anymore. Suffice it to say, that everyone who was present and had video cameras got it all on tape. At NO time, were _sparks_ observed nor any "flare-like" behaviour observed. There's been much discussion as to this being a "flare". Uh, right guys.. Flares give off SPARKS and aren't noted to fade in and out, change from white to red and back several times. What I observed was definately NOT a "flare". Bruce Morrison told me of an experiment that was performed a long time back when a local TV station _did_ sent up a balloon-lofted flare to compare it with the readily available video of this object and the two were broadcasted over the local station side by side. NOT EVEN CLOSE! I would not go so far as to say that I observed an "alien craft"..in my opinion, it was anomolous phenomena. I could NOT make out any structure that would have shown it to be a "craft", but then again it was quite a distance away and perhaps digital enhancement may prove useful in this respect. I wonder if anyone has bothered to contact Jim Moore, the cameraman for station KHOU in Houston, that showed the film to the Houston area during the airing of the "Intruders" movie. I understand from sources that his digital enhancement _did_ show the outline of the "Ed Craft". And finally, I did speak a little bit with the "UFO Rainmaker", Dr. Steven Greer. A very interesting fellow and one in whom I believe you will be hearing more on in the next few months. As I read Chris Rutkowski's June issue of "The Swamp Gas Journal" (and thanks for the mention :-), I read his comments imploring others to get more involved in this case and I heartily agree. It *always* struck me as being mightily presumptous of _some_ people to have dismissed the GB UFO's as being a "hoax" when these people have NEVER stepped foot in the state of Florida and done any investigation on their own! Time to get off your duffs guys. Bruce Morrison has over 400 video tapes of this object and Bob Oueschler probably has quite a few as well. It's high time the UFOlogical community got over their "Ed-bashing" and start getting more directly INVOLVED. Like flying into Pensacola and spending time with the principals..visiting the sites. Bring some equipment with you and sit out with the Skywatch team and get bit by the mosquitoes like everyone else :-) In case anyone is interested, here's the telephone numbers of a couple of people very much involved and that could provide some further info: Bruce and Ann Morrison - Gulf Breeze Skywatch: 904-433-2737 Boots Eckert - Field Investigator - MUFON : 904-438-3261 Also, Dr. Steven Greer can be reached at: 704-274-5671 (Asheville,N.C.) 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