Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 571 Monday, July 13th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: K2 Report - Conclusion UFOCAT Re: What Can We Do? (And Swamp Gas Journal!) Re: Sociopaths Nasa Ufo Debate W/ Oberg, Planet MU1990.... Re: UK CIRCLES Re: Package Re: SOCIOPATHS K2 and the Phoenix Group Package Planet MU1990.... Re: What Can We Do? (And JFK/UFOS and the Press Crop Circles Crop Circles ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (sm) Subject: K2 Report - Conclusion Date: 5 Jul 92 05:12:07 GMT <<<<<<..Continued from previous message>>>>>> * * * Report # 3 By Staff # 2: Date: August 11, 1989, Time: 1500 PDT Location: K-2 Following the events of the night before, I made a quick trip to check out the K-2 area. Observation: There was a "burned" or scorched area on the ground, 30 feet in diameter, at the LZ-1 (landing zone 1) apparently, where an object had landed. In the rush to get there, I forgot to take my camera. No pictures were obtained. After further checking out the area, I left. I decided to return the next day with a camera to get pictures of the burn marks. * * * Report # 4 By Staff # 2: Date: August 12, 1989, Time: 1300 PDT Location: K-2 Observation: Another quick trip to K-2 -- this time with the camera. "This second trip -- brought a surprise. The burned round mark on the ground wasn't there (the one I had observed the day before. The 30 foot diameter burned area). It looks like "they" (the Greys) had removed everything that would show they had landed there. I did some digging, but there was nothing to show for it. They had replaced the ground (the burned area) with new soil, including the dead grass that covers the ground. They seem to know we are on to them, and are making it difficult for us to prove anything. From now on, the camera goes with me everywhere." See Exhibits 19 and 20. Memo August 12, 1989 From Staff # 1 To: Staff # 2 Our contacts in the Air Force verify that on the night of August 10, 1989, at the time indicated in Report # 1 of that date, that eight F-4's, scrambled from Beale AFB, CA. They had a brief radar-lock, on a "bogie" in the area described. However, they lost the target, due to ground clutter when it suddenly descended into the mountainous terrain. They returned to the base when a further sweep of the area proved fruitless. You're right, the AF had a blip on their radar, but lost it when the ship dropped into that 20-mile approach corridor between the valleys and the radar dead zone. * * * Comments by Staff # 1 Date: 8/15/89, Time: 1300 PDT The events taking place, as described in the preceding reports, indicate on-going activity at the K-2 site. This activity, adds weight to the conclusions and evidence gathered by our Survey Team. Those findings were included in the "K-2, Special Report" Dated 7/28/89. These recent events taking place at K-2 validate our initial findings. * * * Comments by Staff # 1 Date: 8/29/89 Observations of night-time activity at K-2, over the past month, indicate that alien crafts are making supply runs at two week intervals. All of our attempts, on site, to photograph or video tape their arrival, unloading and departures have failed. The aliens seem to detect our presence even though we have made every effort to remain concealed. On two occasions, from our concealed location, we have observed one of their craft making a landing approach. The craft suddenly veers off, about two miles from the base, and quickly leaves the area. For both practical and economic reasons we cannot continue this surveillance. In our opinion, we have validated the existence of the base and the alien activity associated with this site. * * * ADDENDUM: 6/23/92 ADDITIONAL CONCLUSION Previously, we mentioned the extreme curiosity exhibited by U.S. Forest Rangers, and their barrage of questions while we conducted the scientific survey of K-2 in July of 1989. The reason for their conduct and questions became known in August of 1989 and during the course of subsequent investigations at K-2. Refer to Exhibit 21. As a result of the public disclosure of the Alien Base revealed in this report, it will prove most interesting to observe what action is taken by any unit of the U.S. Government to deal with this situation. It is doubtful they will allow an Alien Base to operate right under their noses. This would be an excellent occasion for the public, in large numbers, to camp out at the K-2 site, use their home video cameras to record what activity occurs and whether they are ordered to leave the area. Also, without a doubt, it is not difficult to predict a scenario in which well-paid and learned government experts will proclaim that no alien base exists at K-2. In the interim, nobody would be surprised, would they (??), if the area was suddenly fenced off by a double perimeter chain-link fence and patrolled by security guards. The public may even be denied any access to the area. Now, what would that suggest to you? It's something of a Catch-22 situation for the government. Any action taken to suppress the alien base will be revealed and noticed by the public, and any inction, hoping people will forget it, allows the aliens to continue their operations. It's a bad situation for the aliens, as well. All the publicity and people hanging around the area will disrupt their activities. Somehow, the term "poetic justice" seems correct in this situation. Perhaps you'll agree. K-2 DATA EXHIBIT PACKAGE LIST OF EXHIBITS Exhibit 1: Quincy - La Porte Area Map. Exhibit 2: Aeronautical Chart of K-2 Area detailing Military Operation Areas (MOA's) Boundaries, Radar coverage and approach corridors. Exhibit 3: Expanded Topographic Map of K-2 Site. Exhibit 4: Text - Detailed Magnetometer Data of K-2, Section 3. Exhibit 5: K2Q3S3 (Quad 3, Section 3) Magnetic Field Stats indicating section line numbers, line stations and magnetometer readings. Exhibits 6 A,B,C,D: K2Q3S3 Top View. Detailed Magnetic Profile Charts of Section 3 survey lines. Exhibit 7: K2Q3S3 High-Resolution Magnetic Contour Map of Section 3, Quad 3, indicating major underground features. Exhibit 7A: Text - Describing the hidden underground parts of the Alien base, in the area surveyed, and revealed by the Magnetometer Data. Exhibit 8: Text - K2SCARP Magnetic Data (Section 3) Re-Survey of lines 30, 40, and 50, for expanded details of Item A, line 40. Exhibit 9: K2SCARP Top View, Magnetic Profile of Lines 30, 40 and 50. Exhibit 10: K2SCARP Magnetic Contour Map showing expanded features of Item A on Lines 30, 40, and 50. Exhibit 11: Photo - of a section of the modern blackop road fronting the entrance to the K-2 Site. Exhibit 12: Photo - K-2 Site entrance road and portion of Landing Zone 1 (LZ-1). Exhibit 13: Photo - LZ-1 and the Alien Base. Exhibit 14: Photo - South end of Alien Base and LZ-2. Exhibit 15: Photo - The mysterious Dike and Pond. Exhibit 16: Photo - The Rock Scarp detailed on Line 40 of the magnetometer data. Exhibit 17: Photo - Medium view of the overall K-2 Site, landing areas and the Alien base. Exhibit 18: Photo - Long View of K-2 showing the hidden approach corridors to the site. Exhibit 19: Photo - Landing Zone 1 (LZ-1). Exhibit 20: Photo - Landing Zone 1 (LZ-1) showing landing marks. Exhibit 21: Text - Describing latest finding regarding K-2. All of the exhibits listed in this report are contained in the printed K-2 Report available from the publisher. All printed versions of the Phoenix Project Special Reports contain the exhibits referenced in the reports text. Send a self-addressed, stamped envelope to Advent Publishing Company, P.O. Box 3748, Carson City, Nevada 89702, for a list of Phoenix Project Special Reports. SPECIAL NOTE: Very recently, the Phoenix Project conducted an undercover investigation of the U.S. Forest Service Headquarters at Quincy, California. That investigation has revealed startling new information. A Special "K-2 Supplemental Report," will be issued in the near future. It will reveal this new information and contain exhibits of the evidence obtained. END OF FILE PARANET FILENAME: K2RPT.REP -- ParaNet(sm) Information Service - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: ParaNet(sm).Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Keith Basterfield) Subject: UFOCAT Date: 3 Jul 92 21:52:00 GMT Thank you for your message re UFOCAT input forms. I will photocopy another set from my photocopies and despatch them in a couple of weeks time. Due to the expense of postage due to weight, they will come by surface mail. I will mail them directly to CUFOS again, so expect them in about 8-10 weeks. -- Keith Basterfield - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Keith.Basterfield@f12.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis) Subject: Re: What Can We Do? (And Swamp Gas Journal!) Date: 4 Jul 92 19:10:00 GMT It would appear that all elements of UFO interest read the BBS. My statement concerning the need for another Hynek and better research personnel and facilities ended up in the west coast magazine of a UFO debunking group. For your amusement, I quote, "Tom Davis, a long-known UFO researcher, has called for an immediate development of a new UFO center to replace the disasterous fiasco left behind by Dr. Hynek. In a recent speech, Davis bemoaned the lack of serious investigation and urged private financial sources to create a new system for the study of UFOs. "It is the opinion of SOFT that this represents a dangerous escalation of the myth of UFOs and should not be taken lightly." Sigh - I have no idea how I became a "long-known UFO researcher" unless the writer misinterpreted my statements about having worked with NICAP or deducted that my interest in the early 50s through the mid 60s qualified me for such honors. With the exception of a few reports in the 60s and a single general-pulp article in 1973, and of course postings on the BBS, I have absolutely no qualifications of being a "long known UFO researcher." I will confess to being a writer, but if I produce a single manuscript on the subject of modern aviation I am not considered an expert on the subject - merely an informed observer. All-in-all, the comments in the magazine do not offend me as much as they scare me. It would seem that a group so intent on debunking those who are seeking an answer to a very real phenomenon (whatever the solution to that quest may finally be) succumb to the very type of reporting and analysis which they say most readily supports their claims as to the failure of such research. Specifically, messy reporting. A few lifted lines out of context, an assumption or two and I am suddenly an expert with a long history in the field. Nonsense. Absolute nonsense. To members and supporters of SOFT, may I suggest that a careful evaluation be made concerning the publisher and editor of your fledgling group. While I applaud the intent of the Society of Free Thinking, I find it's title a bit presumptious and urge its membership to adhere to a more productive course of critical evaluation and philosophical exploration. Whew, well with that said, I think I'll go watch the next episode of Star Trek. As we like to say here in Washington state, "Oh, waiter, reality check please." -- Tom Davis - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis) Subject: Re: Sociopaths Date: 4 Jul 92 19:30:00 GMT The personality type you are discussing has long been a major concern in religion and psychic research. The essence is that such a personality perceives the area in which he manipulates as being an area of lost causes and that the followers of such causes are also lost. Ergo, easily mislead and controlled. It is the same perverted thinking of a child molester; pick out the loneliest, most dissolutioned child, separate him from others his own age, make him doubt parental and social care for him and authority over him, present yourself as an all-knowing source of resolution for whatever ails the child and - you have a willing victim. Sadly, UFOs like any topic which does not provide tactile proof of its own existence, draws to it many who cannot find solice in reality. Personalities who are long asea in virtual non-reality become expert in leading others down the same path. My personal recommendation is to give any one or any organization claiming to have "the" answer to UFOs, or special contact with aliends who have singled them out as the dispensers of special knowledge a rather wide berth. As a rule such individuals will eventually publish some self-pity jargon about being un-loved and dis-believed and about their intent to take their proverbial ball and go home; indicating that all the doubters will now suffer from the lack of knowledge they could have had. Those who communicate with me on this BBS know that I am an advocate of UFO research. I am not a leader in the field; indeed certainly no expert. I do, however, believe that it is long past the time that we begin to rid ourselves of reliance on entrepreneurs and sociopaths. -- Tom Davis - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Don Ecker) Subject: Nasa Ufo Debate W/ Oberg, Date: 5 Jul 92 04:22:01 GMT Jim Speiser wrote; > While I don't go as far as Sheaffer, I have to agree that Don's tone > wasmore combative than I would like to have seen (as I have already > discussed with him). I think both sides are lacking in gentlemanly > conduct here. Can't such a conversation go something like this: Ah, excuse me? Jim, just what are you speaking about? Combative? As I explained to you on the phone I asked the same questions that any person doing journalism would ask. For example, in what capacity was Oberg there and was he under the constraints of his security clearance? Would you please explain to me here better than you did on the phone what is combative about that? I explained to you on the telephone that Oberg told me when he called me, that he does have a clearance and if it involved National Security he could not talk about it. Don't you think the audience has that right to know? > "In my opinion, the images shown were very likely debris from the > orbiter, knocked galley west by a thruster firing. In any case, there > isno reason yet to dismiss such a possibility." Thats right, and I am tired of people placing words in my mouth. I have yet to call the object that we are discussing anything other than anomalies. However, as you well know I told YOU that I had other evidence on this subject. So just where are you coming from? > data. I personally believe that the side that engages in the LESSER > amount of personal invective, and uses less emotionally-charged > language, at least comes across better to the public. Let the facts and > the data do the yelling. And Jim I suggest you check the LKL show again and explain to me where I used personal invective toward Oberg. I would wager you won't find anywhere that I "went after" him. However I don't believe Oberg can state the same. Do you? Don -- Don Ecker - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Ecker@p0.f3.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) Subject: Planet MU1990.... Date: 2 Jul 92 23:51:00 GMT Can anybody tell me about the last Earthquake in california? I heard in radio about a long rip in the ground... but nothing in tv... What is with the planet mu1990? It pass through our planet in a very smal distance of aproximate 76000 km... Great changes of the climate worlwide are predicted. Any Fido-bbs or point (listed in fidonodelist or paranodelist) can request the whole newspaper-article (german language) at 2:2403/10@fidonet or 9:1021/2@paranet. Filename: mu1990tx.arj (text) or mu1990fa.arj (PCX) cheers Andre -- Andre Eichner - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: UK CIRCLES Date: 6 Jul 92 06:44:00 GMT Hi Brent! Long time, no see/hear! Hey, that's one way of checking on crop circles! Make your own, then see how they compare to what is considered the "real thing." I hope you get some answers (if you know what I mean...) Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Package Date: 6 Jul 92 06:56:00 GMT Hi Vlad, Oh no! How embarrassing! You already had those articles. Thank you for saying you would STILL send me some goodies (don't need any kangaroos) and I look forward to them eagerly. Do you get the publication "UFO Newsclipping Service" published by Lucius Farish in Arkansas? It is one of my monthly favorites. Maybe you get "Flying Saucer Review." If so, is it good and if so, please post an address. If you can suggest some other good, serious magazines to read, please let me know. Recommendations are the best way to find out about magazines. We just had our Independence Day here, and now must get back to the grind. Best always, Linda PS. Could you send me some material written in German? My husband is fluent in German and can help me read it, then we'll send it on to our German friends. Or perhaps you also have the name of a good German publication on UFO's. Danke! -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: SOCIOPATHS Date: 6 Jul 92 06:58:00 GMT Hi Pete, Glad you got the articles on Gulf Breeze. Wish I could help you find out for sure... Say, where's our old buddy Peggy Noonan? She had disappeared again! Outta time, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Brune@p22.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Brune) Subject: K2 and the Phoenix Group Date: 6 Jul 92 23:07:00 GMT All, As section leader of a UFO area on CompuServe, when we read the K2 report from the Phoenix project we did not quite know how to take it. Was this another attempt at disinformation, a way to make a few bucks by getting you to buy their printed paper, or was it for real. So we decided to find out. A few members of my section got together and over this 4th of July holiday weekend decided to check things out. What they found you may find interesting. This was in no way a complete check of the Phoenix groups claims, but interesting nonetheless. We are planning further expeditions to the K2 area in the near future and I will keep all advises as to what we find, since it is of importance to us all. If you have any questions of comments about this report, please forward them to me, and if you have CompuServe access may I suggest checking out the New Age Forum and the UFOlogy/Contacts section. David Brune [70671,2063 CIS] ***************************************************************************** David, Well, I made it back from Pilot Mountain! What a beautiful area. It is remote and would be a good spot to try and conceal something but I saw no evidence to support the claims of the Phoenix report. Keep in mind that I was there for only a short time (1 1/2 days) and I did not have the actual K2 report with maps and descriptions of where EXACTLY the LZs, base, and entrances were suppose to be. When I do get the report I will more than likely make another trip out there just to satisfy my curiousity and keep this thing from growing into something it probably isn't. I arrived in Quincy on Saturday at about 5:30am. I then proceeded into the Plumas Nat'l Forest via the Quincy-La Porte Road. For the next five hours I just drove around the dirt roads checking things out. There is road construction in progress complete with earth movers, bulldozers, graters, and dump trucks. It was a holiday so no constuction was going ons. The existing dirt roads were eroded, and narrow in places so, IMHO, the construction was not suspect. This area skirts the Feather River and some of its off-shoots which is popular amoung trout fisherman. That may be one reason the roads are being repaired. Also, it appeared that logging was prevelant in the area. Since so much logging in various areas thoughout CA has been restricted I can see logging interests putting in $$ to access areas where they are allowed to harvest, which is what I think is happening. The roads are poorly marked and thus confusing to get around on. I looked for most of that morning around the Pilot Peak area for the access road leading up to the lookout station but could not find it. It is probably a four wheel drive type road and thus not evident to the passer by, which I'm sure I did several times. The tower placement on top of the mtn. is perfect. It's up above everything and looks to offer a good view. I decided to hike up there. The Pacific Crest Trail passes through the area and skirts along the side of Pilot Peak. The trail head is well marked at PP's base so I took it. The trail was easy to follow and I took it up to the ridge where I cut off to get to the lookout station. The last few hundred yards were VERY steep and strewn with loose flagstone and gravel. On my approach I could hear voices (kids) and then see some young people in the tower. They had left by the time I got to the tower. It took three hours to get there and the view alone was worth it. The station is abandoned and from markings in the cement appears to have been constucted in 1976. It is very well built and offers an EXCELLENT view, 360 degrees, of the surrounding area. I can't imagine a better way to watch the area then in that tower. Once up there I could see a dirt road coming up the mtn and stopping about 100 yards down slope. The last part up to the tower is 'feet only.' I seriously considered going down the road to find where it cuts off from the main road below but daylight was running out. I poked around a bit more, took some pictures and headed back down to the trail I had come up on. When I got back I ate and by then it was dark so I drove out to a vista point and watched the area for whatever. During the night I drove to different points of view...and saw nothing unusual. The next morning I slept a bit then hiked around PP area a bit more. >From my cursory examination of the area I could not support the fantastic claims made by The Phoenix Group. However, I did not have a magnetometer, geiger counter, or any other sofisticated equipment. All I could do was observe the area through an average persons eyes. I did that and saw nothing except a beautifully remote area. The one odd thing I did see was at the Ranger Station in Quincy. As I entered the parking lot there's a sign showing visitors where to park, employees parking, and one that reads "F.S. Heliport NASA." I drove .... over to the entrance to the "heliport" which had an open gate and a sign that read--"No Trespassing $500 and/or 6 months Air Operations Restricted Area." I could not see beyond the gate because of the forest and slope of the hill. I wasn't sure if they enforced this notice but didn't want to find out right then. Why would NASA have a heliport way out there? That I don't know and couldn't find anyone to ask. I've been too long winded already...I will get the K2 Report, find specific locations to search and look things over again. Any suggestions that would enhance my efforts would be appreciated. --Jason END-OF-REPORT -- David Brune - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Brune@p22.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Package Date: 7 Jul 92 19:12:00 GMT In a message to Linda Bird <04 Jul 92 23:35> Vladimir Godic wrote: VG> Your package arrived yesterday (July 3) mit dem (or is it den - sorry VG> my German is very rusty- where are you Clark?) LUFTPOST sticker. Hallo Vlad! Leider weiss ich das Wort fuer "sticker" nicht. My Deutsch is a bit roestig, too, sorry to say. :-) Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Planet MU1990.... Date: 7 Jul 92 19:47:00 GMT In a message to Wolfgang Mattis <02 Jul 92 16:51> Andre Eichner wrote: AE> Can anybody tell me about the last Earthquake in california? AE> I heard in radio about a long rip in the ground... but nothing in tv... Hello, Andre! There have been a series of earthquakes in California over the past week. Richter Scale readings were from 3.4 to 7.?. Aber die Frage ist: Sind sie Nachstossen? Oder Vorstossen? (Are they aftershocks? Or forshocks?) >From Nevada comes the news that a 3-Megaton H-Bomb was exploded underground a few hours before the first earthquake! This news has been confirmed by local authorities in Nevada -- but it has *not* been on the news anywhere in the U.S. that I know of... AE> What is with the planet mu1990? It pass through our planet in a AE> very smal distance of aproximate 76000 km... 76,000 km?!! EEEE-yaaaaAAAAA!!! AE> Great changes of the climate worlwide are predicted. AE> Any Fido-bbs or point (listed in fidonodelist or paranodelist) AE> can request the whole newspaper-article (german language) at AE> 2:2403/10@fidonet or 9:1021/2@paranet. Filename: mu1990tx.arj AE> (text) or mu1990fa.arj (PCX) Andre, koenntest Du mir die Beide Files ueber mu1990 senden? Als File-Attach zu Hendrik (dabei kann ich ihnen bekommen). Vielen Dank! Clark -- Clark Matthews - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: What Can We Do? (And Date: 7 Jul 92 14:25:00 GMT TD> "It is the opinion of SOFT that this represents a dangerous escalation of TD> the myth of UFOs and should not be taken lightly." Tom: THIS is the kind of thing I've long ranted against in my tirades against organized skepticism. "A dangerous escalation"? Dangerous to whom?? I do wish you would post this in the ParaNet Skeptics echo. I would like to hear from Rick Moen or Anson Kennedy on this issue. I'm sure they, being reasonable, will decry it, but I want them to see that the phenomenon of skepticism as true-believerism is alive and well, and is manifesting itself not just in some short-sighted individuals but in entire organizations. Just where is this SOFT located, and are they sanctioned by CSICOP to your knowledge? (Yes, I know, CSICOP doesn't "sanction" its various satellite groups, but there is a great amount of information exchanged between them). Jim * OLX 2.1 TD * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: JFK/UFOS and the Press Date: 7 Jul 92 14:26:00 GMT In answer to those who continually ask why Ted Koppel or Dan Rather don't do serious UFO stories, I thought the following might be of interest. It is taken from "JFK: The Facts and the Theories" by Carl Oglesby of the Assassination Information Bureau, and while it is, of course, on a different topic, I think you will all recognize the lesson it teaches and how it applies to UFOs. << A reporter for one of the big outlets chanced one day to be the only one of the major media people at the Assassinations Committee's hearing to get the real point of what had happened that day. Chairman Stokes had presented a major blast at the FBI and raised the question of FBI co-responsibility in King's death. It was a dramatic moment....The reporter who picked up on it had caught a strong story, clearly the lead of the day. And all the other majors missed it. The reporter came in the hearing room smoldering the next day, slouched to his place muttering darkly about getting chewed out by his boss. Chewed out? For what? For that story about Stoke's speech on the FBI, he said. But that was a great story, nobody else got it. That's the point, he said. Why? Because my bosses say that if the rest of the press didn't get it, too, it must not have happened, and it looks bad when one of us says something so different from the rest. What an educational exchange! One had heard things about "scoops" and journalistic courage, and now it turned out that the real key to success in the big time was something else. You had to know how to run with the pack, because what the "news" actually was, boiled down, was the collective opinion of this same pack. If the pack thinks JFK was killed by a lone nut, then anyone who thinks something else must be another one. >> And, I submit, if the pack thinks UFOs are a laughing matter, then anyone who thinks otherwise is also to be laughed at. Jim * OLX 2.1 TD * Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: Crop Circles Date: 8 Jul 92 07:01:00 GMT >> military experiments using Laser CO2 or Infra-Red lasers. The tools used >> are not satellites but other airborne devices. > Will be looking forward to reading it. Mike, I have written to my contact in the UK who knows Dr Velasco personally and told him to arrange for papers to be sent to me. As soon as I get them I'll post them on Paranet. Vlad -- Vladimir Godic - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vladimir.Godic@f7.n1040.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Vladimir Godic) Subject: Crop Circles Date: 8 Jul 92 07:08:00 GMT > Thanks for post about Dr. Velasco who will present his ideas to CNES > about crop circle formations. The first thought that popped > into my mind was do these military operations (which produce the > circles) also > claim to produce the circles world-wide, and not just in a small area. > Did Velasco address that issue? Linda, As I said to Mike in another message, I expect to get Dr Velasco's papers soon and then we'll find out. Sorry if I gave you an impression that I have already seen the papers. I posted that message as soon as I received information from my contact in the UK who knows Dr Velasco personally. I am making arrangements to have papers sent to me. 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