Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 573 Tuesday, July 21st 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Witnessed Abduction - Linda My Thoughts And Experiences Witnessed Abduction - Linda Larry King Live Re: K2 And The Phoenix Project Re: K2 And The Phoenix Project NASA UFO FOOTAGE (HARD COPY) in Australia Popular Science, August 1992 (p 22) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Witnessed Abduction - Linda Date: 15 Jul 92 02:22:02 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Jon Roland * Originally dated 07-14-92 13:24 From: jdr@starflight.Corp.Sun.COM (Jon Roland) Date: 14 Jul 92 04:27:03 GMT Organization: Sun Microsystems, Inc. Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,alt.paranormal This is a report on one of the highlights of the 1992 MUFON Symposium in Albuquerque, NM, July 11-12. In his talk on abductions July 11, Budd Hopkins reported on the case of Linda, whose abduction has been confirmed by several witnesses. The following is a synopsis of his report: On or about the evening of November 30, 1989, at approximately 3:15 AM, Linda (last name withheld) was asleep in her apartment on the 12th floor of an apartment building in New York City, together with her husband and two young sons. She made contact with Budd Hopkins and under hypnosis reported being levitated off her bed, approached by three grey aliens, and transported with them through her apartment wall out above the street and then up into a floating disk. She reported that she sensed her nightgown being drawn up to her face. A few weeks later, Dan (last name withheld) wrote a letter to Hopkins, stating that he and his partner Richard (last name withheld) had witnessed the event from a car parked on the street about a block away. He described a young woman and three small grey creatures emerging from the side of the building at the 12th floor in a fetal position, arms wrapped around their legs, head up, with one creature above the woman and the other two below and to each side. After emerging from the side of the building, their bodies extended and they were then lifted up and into the floating disk, which was described as having an orange glowing topside, with yellow illumination extending down and outward, except for a narrow bluish beam extending straight downward up which the four figures were lifted. Dan reported that after the figures entered the craft, it then moved over and down into the river (name withheld by author) and never reappeared. Dan described himself and Richard as "undercover policemen" who would not publicly come forward for fear of damaging their careers. Dan said they were both extremely upset by the incident, fearing for the life or safety of the young woman, and distressed that they had been unable to do anything to help her. Dan stated that he and Richard would attempt to visit the apartment from which Linda had been taken to see what became of her. Having no way to contact Dan or Richard, Hopkins read their letter to Linda, advising her that they might visit her, and asking her to ask them to contact him again if they did. Dan and Richard then went to Linda's apartment, and when they identified themselves, Linda told them Hopkins had told her to expect them. Dan and Richard were very relieved that Linda was seemingly okay, and Linda expressed mixed feelings, saying that it might have been easier to accept being crazy than having it be confirmed that it really happened. Dan and Richard did not agree to visit Hopkins, but Linda did get them to agree to send Hopkins an audiotape giving a more detailed account of the events of November 30, and a few days later Hopkins did receive the audiotape, which he played for the MUFON audience. Dan reported that Richard was so concerned about Linda that he had taken to observing her and her apartment during off hours to make sure she was okay. In the meantime, Linda developed discomfort in her right nostril and visited her physician, who took an Xray. A day or two later, before the Xray was developed and returned, Linda woke up with blood over her face and bedding from her right nostril. The Xray was shown to the MUFON audience. It clearly showed a cylindrical radio-opaque object, perhaps 2-4 mm in length, with a helical pointed extension off each end and to one side. Subsequent examination showed no object present and under hypnosis it came out that Linda had been visited again by aliens and the object removed. In the meantime, Hopkins tried to identify Dan and Richard. Then he was contacted by a woman who reported that she had been driving on a major New York bridge (name withheld by author) on the evening of November 30, 1989, together with a few other cars, when her vehicle stopped, together with all electrical activity. She then noticed an orange glow and saw a glowing disk floating above and to the side of an apartment building near the bridge. She saw a young woman and three small grey creatures emerge from the side of the building, from an upper floor about the level of the bridge, in fetal position, then extend before lifting up into the disk along a blue beam. She also reported that people in other stalled vehicles also saw the incident. After the disk left, her car's dome light came on again and she was able to restart her car and leave the area. When asked to remember the event and count off the number of seconds it took from the time the figures emerged from the side of the building to the time they unfolded, the witness estimated x seconds (number withheld by author). In the meantime, Dan and Richard accosted Linda on the street, asking her to come with them. When she refused, they took her by force to another location and interrogated her. They seemed particularly concerned about whether she could tell them whether the aliens had known about the men witnessing the event. They also removed her shoes and examined her feet, seeking confirmation that she was human, because they thought aliens had no toes. Under hypnosis, Linda was able to give Hopkins the license number of one of the vehicles used in arresting her and part of the license number of the other. From that and other investigation, Hopkins was able to learn that they are not policemen, but US government agents. The men further revealed to Linda that at the time of the incident, their car had been moving and lost power, and that they had a third party with them, a high public official who they were escorting, who also witnessed the incident. They excused their own abduction of her as a matter of "national security". Hopkins reported that he has been able to obtain a photograph of one of the two men, knows their identities and their agency, and knows the identity of the high public official who was with them. Hopkins further reported on some other visits to Linda and her family. It turned out that her youngest son had been similarly abducted from their apartment several months before the events of November 30, 1989. And during a later overnight visit by a young family friend, Linda, her husband, two sons, and their guest all awoke with severe nosebleeds from their right nostrils. One of the two men also provided a drawing, which closely resembled one done by the witness on the bridge, and also resembled one done by the son of Linda who had been abducted. One of the men also estimated that the duration from emergence to unfolding was about x seconds (same number reported by bridge witness). Hopkins then produced Linda, who further elaborated on her experiences and answered questions from the audience. In subsequent remarks and remarks to the author in private, Budd Hopkins said he hoped that more witnesses would come forward, and that the public official would come forward, if not in public then at least to privately contact him. He confirmed that he is withholding a number of details that he will use to verify the authenticity of any witness accounts he may receive. Linda appears to be in her mid-30s, slender, attractive, about 5'6", with long brown hair, an Italian-American Catholic whose boys go to parochial schools. Arch-debunker Phil Klass was very careful to get a good photograph of Linda. The author asked Hopkins whether he had taken precautions to make sure the facts come out in case anything happens to him. Hopkins is recovering from a recent operation, but says he is now feeling fine. He assured the author he has thought about the problem and that was the reason he decided to take the matter public at this time. He said he is trying to get a more complete report published in the New York _Post_, so readers should look for it there. If any mishap should befall Hopkins, or any attempt be made to silence or discredit him, readers should not fail to ask penetrating questions about the matter. This case is significant because there have heretofore been few cases of abductions witnessed by persons who were not among the abducted. Hopkins expressed the opinion that the event may, at least in part, have been staged for the benefit of the public figure who witnessed it. The feelings of some in the audience may have later been summarized by Shelley ..., one of the attendees, who said "God, I hope it's not Dan Quayle!" The author apologizes for any errors in the above report, taken from memory after returning from the Symposium. jdr@starflight.corp.sun.com, starflt@uunet.uu.net Jon Roland Starflight Corporation, 1755 E Bayshore Rd #9A, Redwood City, CA 94063-4142, 415/361-8141 -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: My Thoughts And Experiences Date: 15 Jul 92 02:24:03 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Thad P Floryan * Originally dated 07-14-92 13:25 From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Date: 14 Jul 92 14:00:50 GMT Organization: The Portal System (TM) Message-ID: <62091@cup.portal.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors,sci.skeptic Seems some people overlooked the smilies ":-)" in my article about the Lord Capt. Yahweh and his horny band of Zeta Reticulan exobiologists who transformed some extant creatures into their personal playthings! :-) Seriously, though, there are sufficient unexplained mysteries in ancient writings AND other artifacts, both ancient and recent, which suggest that a lot has transpired over the years about which we'll probably never fully understand. That reference I quoted from the Q'uran (formerly known as the Koran) is just one of many that have intrigued me over the years: a very explicit 50,000 years and my oblique interpretation as an "effect" of time dilation. Just suppose "someone" visited an earlier earth and performed experiments. Another 100,000 year round trip to return to earth to observe the results "could" be the incidents related in several ancient documents. This is something akin to the story in "2001: A Space Odyssey", and is something "interesting" upon which to speculate. But I digress. John Winston mentioned he had met my father who John claims was a "UFO" researcher. I cannot speak for either gentlemen, but it was I who introduced Jacques Valee' to my Dad because of an apparent mutual interest in UFOs. I met Jacques professionally when he was a staff researcher at the Institute For the Future (IFF), a Menlo Park CA "think tank." IFF was utilizing my company's computers for online worldwide teleconferencing back in the early 1970s. That same system, NotePAD, was also used to great effect during the Chernobyl Crisis and is still in use today at my site on a facilities- management type of arrangement via Tymnet (which itself is interesting, because I was back at Tymshare in the early days, and my other company at which I'm VP Engineering is one which produces specialized data processing computers for TelCo and government clients). As such, we lunched several times, and I learned he was an Astronomer and a mathematician. My background is computational linguistics, compiler theory, numerical analysis, communication theory, hardware design, microwave IC fab, etc. with an intense interest in astronomy. Thus, we had a common ground and I also learned that Jacques and Dr. Hynek participated in the computerization of the unique twin-dome observatory at the school where I did some undergrad studies: New Mexico State University, which also hosts (hosted?) Dr. Clyde Tombaugh (the discoverer of Pluto) as Professor Emeritus. I also learned that Jacques authored some v-e-r-y interesting books about the "UFO Phenomenon" and, of course, I read them, and I share his feelings and interpretations about the situation. Interestingly, Jacques and I participated in one "field trip" arranged by my Dad which attempted to locate a "siting" in the Santa Cruz mountains. Nothing was found, discovered, revealed or uncovered during that trip. I believe the reason Jacques consented to the trip was because of my Dad's background. As John Winston noted, my Dad was an ex-Army officer; he was also ex-CIA, and participated in some "interesting" activities during WWII, among which was "Antwerp X" (for which he received the highest commendations from Belgium for zapping the V-1 buzzbombs) and the "liberation" of the Von Braun German rocket team to the USA. In later years my Dad was strategically involved with the Redstone missile program (a mod of which carried the first US satellite, Explorer I, into orbit on Jan 31, 1958) and commanded BOTH the US nuclear missile batallions (40th and 46th Field Artillery Groups) in Europe during the early 1960s (which also were Redstone-origined). As such, both my Dad and I have seen a lot of interesting things over the years, from USA satellite launches, to anti-missile-missile tests, you name it. So, do I "believe" in UFOs? Let's say I'm still cogitating that answer due to four experiences which I'll share with you. As a summary answer, I'll state now that there is definitely "something" that bears further open-minded study and research. First experience was during 1957 in San Antonio, Texas, at Fort Sam Houston, the HQ of the 4th Army. Saturday night, approx. 11pm, I was building some plastic rocket models and the radio was tuned to a local rock station (yeah, Elvis was BIG that year! :-) when all of a sudden a UFO alert was broadcast on the station. Don't ask me why, but I just happened to look up and out the window and saw "something" circular and extremely dark brown that was just about to pass over the house. At this same moment, there was intense static on the radio drowning out all reception; this static lasted about 5 seconds and presumably was caused by the object as it passed over and away. Believe me, I was scared shitless (only 11 years old at the time). All that week there were UFO sightings reported on the front pages of the San Antonio newspapers. Second experience was approx. 1964 (my records are "somewhere" out in my garage) in El Paso TX (actually Fort Bliss, Army Air Defense Command HQ and home to a SAC base (at the other end of town), and White Sands Missile Range about 50 miles to the north). For some reason, approx 1:45am I awoke, arose from bed, and peered out the window to see a brilliant white oblong-shaped object whose frontal 10% was brilliantly red moving east to west about 400 yards away and about 100 yards up before it left my view. Those distances were precise due to the known height of the trees AND the fact it passed in front of some homes that were about 500 yards away; "in front of" because of the way the object illuminated the houses. Sheesh, scared shitless again. My sighting was the first that week (I believe this was a Sunday); all week long afterwards similar objects were reported in the El Paso Times and ALL descriptions of the object by others were the same [ I still have those clippings and my original report in my files ]. Third episode, approx. 1967 in Silicon Valley CA. I was working for the Electronic Defense Labs, and my Dad was working for Lockheed Missiles and Space Company. I was returning home about 9pm and turned to face the street to see my house key when I noticed a strange stationary aerial light out in the distance. Because of my interest in astronomy, I often observe the skies and I have a "feel" for when things aren't as they should be; this was such a case. And the conditions were PERFECT for data collection. First thing was the ol' binoculars. Holy Shit. A classic "UFO": half dome with fluted edges. And it was just below the cloud layer (totally overcast that night), and a fragment of cloud would occasionally "touch" and obscure portions of the object. Quick calls to Moffet Field Naval Air Station, US Weather Bureau, San Jose Airport, etc. confirmed the cloud layer was at 2400 feet. Perfect; so we know how high the object was. Next step: measure direction and angular elevation [details of all this are in my notes]. Plotting onto a topo map put the object DIRECTLY between the main hangar at Moffett NAS and the combined LMSC/Air Force Satellite Test Center (now known as Onizuka Air Force Base; which is THE central command for all US spy satellites and, at one time, the NUMBER ONE military target in the USA). And for those who don't know, Moffett NAS is also the home of NASA's Ames Research Center. Sheesh. That object was perfectly stationary, did NOT move (though the flanking clouds obviously were moving), and it remained there for at least 30 minutes. My neighbors and many others whom I called all saw the object and confirmed its existence and appearance (light yellow glow); calls to the NAS revealed nothing. Given my measurements of the vertical and lateral angular displacements, the known height (of the cloud layer), and the known location (simple trig :-) I was able to calculate the size of the object. I'm writing this from memory but it was about 30-40 feet at its widest (and it was about 5 miles away). The last (and fourth) episode is the one that really has me wondering. It was late 1972 or early 1973 (would have to check my old expense reports at the office for Air Cal expenses for the exact date), but I was regularly visiting a client site in San Juan Capistrano CA for work I was doing for light water reactor vessel testing (which later was used for stress analysis on the Golden Gate Bridge). Usually I would make the trip alone, get the work done, fly back. That day a colleague accompanied me because he wanted to use some of my stuff in another project for scanning electron microscopes. Having made the trip scores of times, I knew precisely how long the travel time by air and by car from John Wayne airport down I-5 to San Juan Capistrano would take in both directions. With a 9pm flight from Orange County airport back to San Jose, we had plenty of time when we finished dinner and left the Franciscan Restaurant at 8pm; I figured 20-25 minutes to the airport. As we're headed north on I-5 to the airport, we were discussing the events of the day, and then I learned my colleague was reared in that area, so he was pointing out interesting sights and we had a jolly good time joking about all the slow drivers I was passing (I learned to drive in Europe on ice-covered autobahns with no chains and no speed limits, so I do, uh, drive rapidly! :-) Now remember I had made this joourney at least 30 times before, and my colleague "knew" the area. We were headed north on I-5 to reach the John Wayne airport. Yet, all of a sudden, we were in the middle of who-knows-where and there were NO other cars in the vicinity. You talk about confusion; I hit the brakes. Sheesh. Then suddenly my friend said, "I know where we are", and I followed his directions, and we arrive at the damned airport just as our flight, the last of the day, was taking off at 9:05pm. Goddamn, talk about panic. I also neglected to mention that my colleague was sporting a cast due to a broken foot experienced a week earlier when he slipped on ice at Lake Tahoe. In any event, with the help of Air Cal, we managed to get a flight out of LAX arriving at San Francisco Int'l at midnight (and yeah, with my car at the San Jose Airport) (and the story of my attempts to return the rental car at LAX, finally driving backwards into the #^%$%# return area and popping the tires on the wrong-way spikes because the car return area was "just outside" the loop, doesn't belong here :-) BUT, on that flight, after we had caught our breaths after running to catch THAT late flight which we almost missed, too, and after one beer, I *FINALLY* looked at my watch and noticed it had stopped. I asked my friend the time and his watch had stopped at precisely the same time. My watch was an old Timex electric motor model, and my friend's was a windup something or other. The time on BOTH watches was 8:55pm; the actual time was about 11:30pm. Later, the next day, we determined we had somehow "lost" 30 minutes. That was the only way to account for our missing the flight from Orange County. And how the hell we ended up on that strange road with NO recollection how we got there when "just a moment earlier" we were on I-5, we'll never know, and that's a mystery to both of us to this day. There is another aspect of this last event that interests me: I occasionally have a dream in which I seem to be rising up in the air over that freeway as we were heading north. I look down and see cars travelling on the freeway at what appears to be a mile beneath us; that's it. This is inexplicable to me, and is what I call my "abduction case." So, these are "my" cases. And why I attempt to keep an open-mind and attempt to correlate these events with others. I don't have any answers. Perhaps there IS another lifeform on this planet. If so, it "may" be indigenous, and it might not. Perhaps it could be to us as we are to the fish we catch (and throw back) into the water. Who knows? I research many things on behalf of my employer and on behalf of my clients. Sometimes I get sidetracked and onto the trail of something new and completely different. One such trail led me to study some ancient documents and some religious material, which is why my familiarity with the Bible, Q'uran, and others (and why I have them online, too). Many passages in the Bible have correspondences in, say, the Q'uran. And there are many differences, too. In the Q'uran, for example, we find the jinn who were created from fire before humans were created from the black muds of the earth. In both the Bible and the Q'uran we find angels. Studying the Q'uran, one MUST ponder; and yet we find explicit details such as the 50,000 year measure of one day, and the "periods" of creation; in the Bible there is seldom such accurate depiction of time passage and it refers to the "days" of creation. Many mysteries. These are some of my thoughts and experiences. Hope you enjoyed reading them as much as I did finally putting them down in writing. Thad Floryan [ thad@btr.com (OR) {decwrl, mips, fernwood}!btr!thad ] -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (John Burke) Subject: Witnessed Abduction - Linda Date: 15 Jul 92 07:11:00 GMT > > In subsequent remarks and remarks to the author in private, > Budd Hopkins said he hoped that more witnesses > would come forward, and that the > public official would come forward, if not in public then > at least to privately contact him. "OUT" HIM, BUDD!!! -- John Burke - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Burke@f9.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Larry King Live Date: 15 Jul 92 07:34:00 GMT Don: I don't think I ever answered your message re: Larry King Live. Sorry, I got sidetracked. The simple answer is that I just disagree with the "us" vs. "them" attitude. I told you on the phone that you sounded like you came loaded for bear, and you agreed that you were. That's fine, but your passion should be reserved for presenting what you think is exciting data, rather than trying to paint Oberg in an obfuscatory light. You were attempting to demonstrate that Oberg was not going to admit to a genuine UFO even if he believed it, but in doing so, you also gave the impression that you weren't going to believe Oberg yourself, no matter what he said. In any case, Oberg has come out with a more definitive statement on alt.sci.skeptic regarding "Event 2". I shall try to repost it here. Interestingly enough, while he is not backing down on claiming the object is ice, he DOES seem to imply that he didn't even look at the tape before. He seems to be saying, "Oh, NOW I see what all the fuss is about, and I can see where ufologists might think this was a UFO." Jim * OLX 2.1 TD * Proofread carefully to see if you any words out. -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Brune@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Brune) Subject: Re: K2 And The Phoenix Project Date: 15 Jul 92 23:26:00 GMT Michael, I'd be happy to keep you and everyone else up to date as to what happens. The gentleman that contacted me was Jack Mathias, and I have been talking with him via Compuserve since it is a bit more private. As I find things out I will keep you appriased. I would like to learn more about this Phoenix Group so I am willing to keep whatever information they have confidential if they so ask, but I will let you know what I can. As for moving the messages to a different echo, go right ahead, but please let me know which one since I don't scan all of them. David -- David Brune - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Brune@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Brune@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (David Brune) Subject: Re: K2 And The Phoenix Project Date: 15 Jul 92 23:28:00 GMT No problem Clark, I just need to make sure I'm scanning that echo. I've been in contact with one of the members of the Phoenix Group via Compuserve, since it is more private, and will keep you informed of whatever I find, if I'm able too. I am attempting to learn more about them, and to gain their trust, so I have offered to keep confidential any information they wish me too, but I will keep you and others posted with what I can. David -- David Brune - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Brune@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: mirama.cec.edu.au!bevans Subject: NASA UFO FOOTAGE (HARD COPY) in Australia Date: 17 Jul 92 03:29:15 GMT From: Brian Evans Hi, Last night in Australia I was getting my weekly fix for Hard Copy when they decided to preview next weeks stories. Guess what, they have decided to show the NASA FOOTAGE on Australian TV with a story from the USA. Last night they showed some of the footage a couple of times. I agree that you can definately see something move off at great speed. The hard Copy UFO REPORT will be screen in Australia on July 23rd on Network 10. regards, Brian -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Popular Science, August 1992 (p 22) Date: 17 Jul 92 00:55:00 GMT This story is typed in from the August 1992 Special Anniversary Issue of Popular Science, Page 22. Accompanying are a photo and a blowup of what appear to be bursts within a contrail (almost like a bad piston or some-such) and seismic profiles of the Space Shuttle and an unknown aircraft. [HEADING]What hypersonic airplane? Something very strange is flying around at terrific speeds. Although no one had managed to photograph the craft itself, its radar image, unique exhaust contrail, engine sound, and sonic boom have all been characterized in multiple reports by obervers in the Western United States and Great Britain. Yet questions directed to the prime suspect in mystery-plane cases -- the U.S. Air Force -- yield only denails of any knowledge. The aircraft betraying its shadowny presence may be a high-altitude hypersonic spy plane code-named "Aurora" that's presumed to have replaced the retired SR-71 Blackbird ["Revealed! Mach 5 Spy Plane," Nov. '88]. On five occasions since June 1991, the U.S. Geological Survey's extensive nework of earthquake-monitoring seismographs in Southern California has recorded window-rattling sonic booms produced by an airplane traveling northeast at several times the speed of sound. The booms have all occurred on Thursdays at about 7 a.m., says U.S. Geological Survey seismologist James J. Mori at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. "We call them airquakes," he says. "This mystery plane has a distinctly different sonic-boom waveform than other large, supersonic aircraft like the space shuttle and the SR-71. We track it because people have been calling us wanting to know if there's been an earthquake." Many observers in several states have reported hearing very loud, deep rumbling and pulsating sounds coming from an aircraft moving at high speed. An aircraft emitting these sounds was spotted this past Gebruary taking off at night from Beale Air Force Base near Sacramento, Calif. Its propulsion system may be a pulse detonation wave engine -- a known type that develops throust in intermittent bursts, rather than continouously -- according to reports in the trade journal Aviation Week & Space Technology. Bill Sweetman, an expert on classified "black" military programs, suggests in Jane's Defense Weekly that the aircraft may be capable of reaching Mach 6 (4,000 mph) burning liquid methane or hydrogen fuel. He believes the plane is returning from hypersonic (greater than Mach 5) flights over the Pacific Ocean and decelerating over the Los Angeles area as it heads northeast for a landing at the highly classified flight test base at Groom Lake, Nev. Sweetman reports that a Royal Air Force air traffic controller tracked an aircraft leaving the remote NATO-RAF base at Machrihanish in western Scotland last November at a speed of Mach 3. No acknowledged aircraft capable of such speed is based there. Call it Aurora, the mystery plane, or whatever. The ultrafast, groundshaking high-flyer may be one of the latest in the long line of exotic aircraft that have resulted from Lockheed Corp.'s fabled Skunk Works. financial analysts note that the company's budget and work force can only be fully accounted for by one or more substantial black programs secretly funded by the Pentagon -- and perhaps the intelligence service. -- Stuart F. Brown Please excuse any typographical errors as I typed this in quickly and without the aid of a spell-checker! I find it most interesting that all of the sightings (soundings?) occur on Thursday mornings. Most likely one guy who doesn't decelrate fast enough to get out of >Mach flight, eh? Thanks for reading, Steve -- Steve Gresser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/infopara Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom *********************End**of**the**InfoPara**Newsletter************************