Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 583 Friday, August 21st 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Vallee Correction to Message Confirmation Lawsuit Against Nsa... Life Article AIR$SPACE Article Stephen Greer? Phoenix Project letter Mail Problems Bigfoot Video Stanton Friedman Mutilations In Sweeden ? Stephen Greer? ** How About A Faq ** Computer Confession Re: Lawsuit Against Nsa... Richard T. Miller/Phoenix Project ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Vallee Date: 17 Aug 92 21:01:00 GMT In a message to John Hicks <12 Aug 92 17:48> Michael Corbin wrote: MC> It is true. Jacques has had it with the organized brand of MC> UFOlogy, not naming any names, but he is continuing his own MC> private research into the phenomenon. Is it really any wonder MC> that a person such as Vallee, with some original thought and MC> pretty interesting theories should catch such crap from the MC> "control factions" that he speaks of? No. I commend him on his MC> fortitude, persistence and tremendous insight. Hear, hear! It's an act of intellectual honesty as well as integrity! MC> Actually, we should celebrate! Hooo-ray! Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@p1.f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cix.clink.co.uk!rtrevelyan Subject: Correction to Message Date: 18 Aug 92 19:18:46 GMT From: Server Systems Ltd In my previous message the UFOs being seen in and around Alton Barnes, Wiltshire were predicted to return on 26th July 1993 *not* 1992 as I put. Sorry about that and all the other typing errors I seem to have made. Education is a wonderful thing. Regards, Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cix.clink.co.uk!rtrevelyan Subject: Confirmation Date: 18 Aug 92 19:18:56 GMT From: Server Systems Ltd Hi, With reference to my previous note about the alledged UFO encounter in Alton Barnes I include below a reply to a letter I sent to Colin Andrews asking about the event. It is the main paragraph and is verbatim. Begin included text: 'A full report about the `CE5 Initiative-Alton Barnes` will be published in the CPR International Newsletter, September issue. (yearly subscription is #10 and can be ordered through the above UK address). I think we learned quite a lot about the UFO subject on the 24th & 27th July during the multi-witnessed events. I will be referring to them also during my lecture at the Quest International Conference in Leeds on 26th Sept. at the Civic Centre in Leeds. End included text: Please read pounds sterling for # above, can't find pound sign. I will be attending this conference and will report later as to what is said. Tickets are about five pounds if anyone is interested although they may sell out fairly fast. I think this confirms that something did in fact happen in Alton Barnes and I hope the video of the 'globes' is shown at the conference. Regards, Robert -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Clark Matthews) Subject: Lawsuit Against Nsa... Date: 18 Aug 92 20:59:00 GMT In a message to All <17 Aug 92 07:21> Jim Speiser wrote: JS> A few samples from the court document. (heavily paraphrased) JS> 1: What is NSA definition of "National Security". Jim -- several well-recognized National Security criteria. A topic is usually classified if: A) It's embarassing B) It's political C) It's very profitable D) It's for sale to the highest bidder E) Prescott Bush bought it for the Yakuza F) Brent Scowcroft and Henry Kissinger sold it to Saddam Hussein G) April Glaspie sent it in a diplomatic pouch to Switzerland H) Jennifer FitzGerald received it in a diplomatic pouch from Iraq H) Jeb Bush's friends loaned it to him, interest-free I) "Junior" Bush got a big commission before it went bankrupt J) Felix Rodriguez sends it here on little airplanes from Costa Rica K) Oliver North handled the insurance claim L) We killed an American who figured out what was going on M) We killed a foreigner who figured out what was going on N) It deals with our plans to co-opt the political process, blackmail elected representatives and members of the Supreme Court, or just take over the country some night. Congressional oversight committees have found these reasons very persuasive. So WHAT'S THIS GUY'S PROBLEM?!! Some people simply refuse to sit in front of the tube and watch Married With Children, like good little doobies. Geez, why can't this troublemaker just go away and catch Anthrax, or commit suicide in his motel room, or something? Best, Clark -- Clark Matthews - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Clark.Matthews@f816.n107.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: Life Article Date: 18 Aug 92 23:51:04 GMT * Forwarded from "FidoNet UFO Echo" * Originally by Mike Keithly * Originally to All * Originally dated 18 Aug 1992, 16:50 Just a note in the September issue of Life Magazine there is an article in there on SETI called Is Anybody Out There? Good article well worth picking up.. MIke Keithly -- Mike Keithly - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: AIR$SPACE Article Date: 18 Aug 92 15:45:00 GMT NC>From: chalmers@violet.berkeley.edu (John H. Chalmers Jr.) NC> I once got into trouble because after a seminar in my scientific NC>specialty, the I got a question, John: WHICH specialty? :-) And you're note reminds me.... Mike Corbin: Did you remember to ask Steven Gamble about the possibility that Delphos was a gasoline spill? Jim * OLX 2.1 TD * A ParaNet Point System - Excellence in Ufology since 1986 -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Stephen Greer? Date: 19 Aug 92 06:43:00 GMT What's the take on this Dr. Stephen Greer fellow? He seems to be involved in a project called "CE-V", which he defines as human-initiated contact with UFO occupants. I dimly remember him doing something with lasers and ohm-chanters in Gulf Breeze, but now his organization is claiming some measure of success. A lady in our local MUFON group has been singing his praises, and is organizing field trips to UFO hot-spots to conduct more experiments. One place mentioned was Chino Valley, CA. It is said that on their sign-up form is a field marked "Next of Kin". I guess they're not taking any chances.... Jim * OLX 2.1 TD * A ParaNet Point System - Excellence in Ufology since 1986 -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: sco.COM!robertc Subject: Phoenix Project letter Date: 19 Aug 92 19:33:30 GMT From: Robert Chansky Is there a summary available for those of us who missed the hubbub about the Phoenix Project letter? I find the organized style of the letter compelling (though I admit it does stray from level-headedness) and would like a view from this side of the fence. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: csn!jrblack Subject: Mail Problems Date: 19 Aug 92 19:34:16 GMT From: Roger Black Every time we mail out one of the ParaNet digests, a number of copies are returned to us as undeliverable. 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But it has often happened that, despite our best efforts, we simply cannot find any way to contact the person we are trying to reach. When that happens, we have no choice but to remove them from the mailing list. Usually, after a couple of weeks we receive an anxious note from the subscriber asking what happened to the digest. Most of the time this means that whatever problem existed has now been corrected, and we immediately restore them to the list. However, we have seen situations where a subscriber could send mail but not receive it. As a result, we kept getting increasingly impatient and frustrated notes from someone we couldn't respond to--which frustrated us as well. So if the digest ever stops arriving for what seems like an unusually long time, try sending us a note. If we don't respond in a couple of days, ask yourself how long it has been since you received ANY mail from outside your local site. If necessary, ask someone else on the net to send you some test mail, or contact your local postmaster to see if there is some kind of problem. You may be doing yourself a favor, as well as us. -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Bigfoot Video Date: 19 Aug 92 16:56:01 GMT Has anyone heard of a recent Bigfoot sighting with video taken in the Idaho area recently? I understand that the video was shown on television in the Seattle or Washington state area. Any information would be appreciated. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: bcstec.ca.boeing.com!kuryakin Subject: Stanton Friedman Date: 20 Aug 92 00:30:24 GMT From: kuryakin@bcstec.ca.boeing.com (Rick Pavek) Points well taken. I'd be willing to look at the material in a few days as things around here settle down. Would you send me a list of articles and publications that present SF's flaws? I'd need the addresses, too... the newstands here don't stock much more than UFO Magazine. I will also try to get Stanton's rebuttals. Would anyone be willing to put together a point-by-point list of complaints? For example, some have claimed Anderson a fraud... as they have for the MJ-12 documents. Stanton points to these as reliable. Email would be faster but I promise to post all questions and their answers in their entirety to the list... Rick -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Mutilations In Sweeden ? Date: 20 Aug 92 00:54:02 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Nigel.bamford * Originally dated 08-19-92 12:50 From: Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk (Nigel.Bamford) Date: 18 Aug 92 15:47:18 GMT Organization: University of Newcastle upon Tyne, UK NE1 7RU Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors The following is taken from the "Fortean Times" a British publication which deals in strange happenings from around the world. Sweedish horse ripping. For two or three years, someone-or something-has been attacking and mutilating horses and cows in western Sweeden. Around 200 horse attacks had been reported to the police when the mystery was brought to national attention by journalist Siewert Ohloms' TV programme "Svar direkt" on 25 Febuary 1992. In the summer of 1989, the number of reports increased. In 90% of the incidents, the victims were horses, almost always assaulted in the same way. They were cut with a sharp, scalpel-like instrument,in or beside their sexual organs. The wounds were often 30cm long, and five or six cm deep. About 50% of the animals were so severely maimed that they had to be put down. Most of the attacks were near main roads, and the origional police hypothesis was that a single madman or religious fanatic was motoring from one enclosed pasture to another; then several horses seemed to have been assaulted in different places at the same time, although this is not certain. According to Marie Raden, police investigator in the Vanesborg district it requires an astonishing knowledge of animals to be able to approach the horses, and hurt them so badly, without causing them to offer resistance. There were cases where watchdogs didn't react, even when they were only a couple of yards away, nor was there any indication that the animals had been drugged. In August 1991, several horses were assaulted in the neighbourhood of Fargelanda in Dalsland. It began when a mare, belonging to Marianne Gothberg, was cut around the vagina. Another of Mrs Gothbergs' horses was cut the following day, and a day after that a foal was found bleeding on a neighbouring farm. More horses in the area succumbed, and some 40 farmers formed a sort of equine "home guard". Pairs of farmers policed the roads at night, armed with whatever weapons their farms could provide. They caught a suspicious individual one evening, and turned him over to the police; but he turned out to be a frightened bilberry picker who had lost his way. Tord Haraldsson from Alingas, who belongs to the investigating task force, said that similar assaults in Denmark and the USA, have turned out to be sectarian rituals, where fanatics have been drinking horses' blood to gain strength. This is news to us; the widespread cattle mutilations accross the American Midwest in the last two decades are variousley blamed on cultists, aliens or government experimentation, but as far as we are aware no actual proof has ever been found to back up any of these hypothesis. Several farmers and horse breeders appeared on the TV program. They stressed that several attacks had taken place almost in their presence, and couldn't understand why their horses had submitted without offering resistance. The perpetrator was like a phantomor a supernatural being. A vet said that the attacker had a good knowledge, not only of animal behaviour, but also of animal anatomy. Some of the wounds had been very professionally cut. When the horses were turned out to pasture again after the winter, the Fargelanda "home guard" were again mobilised, and others were organised all over western Sweeden. The first mutilation of the year was reported in "Expressen" on 14 April. A mare was found a t a place called Vitehall near Kyrkekvarn, bleeding from wounds in her vagina and hind legs. A "mysterious" red car driven by a young man sped away from the spot as the mare was found; but it was not clear at the time of the report how the wounds had been inflicted. The mare might have been kicked by another horse. If anyone out there has any other info on animal mutilations, please e-mail it to me, I am : Nigel.Bamford@newcastle.ac.uk Thanks. -Nige. -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Stephen Greer? Date: 20 Aug 92 01:07:03 GMT > What's the take on this Dr. Stephen Greer fellow? He seems to be > involved in > a project called "CE-V", which he defines as human-initiated contact > with > UFO occupants. I dimly remember him doing something with lasers and > ohm-chanters in Gulf Breeze, but now his organization is claiming some > measure of success. A lady in our local MUFON group has been singing > hispraises, and is organizing field trips to UFO hot-spots to conduct > more > experiments. One place mentioned was Chino Valley, CA. It is said that > on > their sign-up form is a field marked "Next of Kin". I guess they're not > taking any chances.... We are doing an article in the next issue of CONTINUUM. Watch for it! Greer's stuff is most interesting, if not credible. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: ** How About A Faq ** Date: 20 Aug 92 02:24:01 GMT * Forwarded from "Internet Alien Visitors Conference" * Originally by A Figment Of Your Imagination * Originally to All * Originally dated 19 Aug 1992, 12:52 From: EPhantom@darknova.acf-lab.alaska.edu (A figment of your imagination) Date: 18 Aug 92 20:18:54 GMT Organization: University of Alaska Computer Network Message-ID: <1992Aug18.201854.22030@raven.alaska.edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors I've been reading this group for several months now and a sudden inspirational thought hit me! (and the crowd groans) What this group could use is a good old FAQ post every once in a while. I been here a while and I still haven't seen any nicely condensed information about the subjects that are discussed here. I'm willing to attempt to put together a FAQ for this group; however I don't consider myself highly knowledgeable in the area, So I'm going to be asking for a lot of background info on some of the subjects brought up here. But first what I could really use are some questions! I have an idea already on some information that would be needed to be included into the FAQ, but your input would be appreciated. Here are some examples of what I would like to include in the FAQ: Alien Groups: I would like to put out some condensed background on the different types of aliens discussed on this group. Greys: I have some information on these guys, but I would like some more. Pleiadians: I have no information on these, any background info would be of help. MIB: I have this area covered. Reptilian race: I don't know the name of them but i have heard them talked about on this group, any info would help. others: any other groups I didn't think of. UFO Organizations: I currently have no information on any of these groups, if anyone has some background info, Phone Numbers, Mailing addresses or the Long titles for the below acronyms of the groups please send them to me. MICAP UFOROM MUFON SOBEPS BUFORA NUFON Known and acclaimed UFologists's: maybe some short background info on some of the Major people discussed in this group, such as: Bud Hopkins John Lear others Active UFO sights and locations: A current listing of locations that are suppose to be "UFO Active" General Books that may be a good reference for people interested in UFO's, and a List of new books out about UFO's These are just some ideas that could be included in the FAQ. Please send me any information on the above topics or other topics and I'll organize it and stick it into a readable FAQ format if there is enough interest generated. EPhantom@darknova.acf-lab.alaska.edu ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- Mike Keithly - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Computer Confession Date: 20 Aug 92 04:41:00 GMT Hi Peggy, I would have never figured out what to do with that disc had I not eaten Humble Pie and asked Loren to unzip it, and he did so happily. Wow, you really packed that thing! Looks like all the stories are single-space, in caps?? Will have to have a good chunk of time to read all of it, and Loren said it was too much to print out. Yes, I did see a copy of Terry Ecker's newsletter, and if you can get a free copy, do so. His wife does those cute cartoons featuring the Greys (they appeared in UFO magazine for a while). Jim Speiser and I did a "UFO Awareness Week" radio show in Tucson last week for 2 hours. Once we started talking, we felt our nervousness leave us. We had some good callers, and I thought it was a hoot! My free days are dwindling fast; movers are now placing furniture in our new school this week, and it won't be long... Take care, and be glad you're in Cool Colorado! Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Lawsuit Against Nsa... Date: 20 Aug 92 04:48:00 GMT Hi Jim, You are right - this is astonishing! Another thought: if UFO's were deemed no threat to Nationa Security (Isn't that what Project Bluebook stated??), then why are the files classified, or heavily censored when one does get a copy of a report? Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ParaNet.Information.Service@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (ParaNet Information Service) Subject: Richard T. Miller/Phoenix Project Date: 20 Aug 92 20:12:01 GMT Below is a response that came through Jack Mathias, allegedly written by Richard T. Miller, explaining his relationship to George Green's Phoenix Liberator and the Phoenix Project. Please note that this Richard Miller is the Richard Miller who was associated with George Green, and *may* still be, however according to his admission, he is no longer affilated with Green. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ * Original: TO ... Michael Corbin of 1:104/422 * ReDirected Using ReDirect Version 1.00 (C)1989 David Nugent From: 72730.3636@CompuServe.COM (Jack L Mathias) To: ">INTERNET:Michael.Corbin@f428.n104.z1.fidonet.org" Date: 12 Aug 92 13:51:01 EDT August 12, 1992 To: Mr. Michael Corbin ParaNet Information Service From: Advent Publishing Company and Richard T. Miller A message from you, made public on many BBS's and pertaining mainly to the Phoenix Project, was brought to my attention. In that message you mention my name, the name of my company, and try to create an impression that I am involved in some type of activity and have relationships with others that is questionable. You state in your message: "based on striking and suggestive circumstances," that there is a possible connection between myself, Advent Publishing Company, and another publisher - known as America West and one of their publications "The Phoenix Liberator." You fail to clearly label your statements, or your presumptions, as "pure" speculation. I find your technique of using such speculation, and the end-result of that usage - guilt by implication - very offensive. The statement I refer to is - whether I am, or my company is, another incarnation of America West and their people. The answer is an emphatic - no. Let me set the record straight. I am a semi-retired electronic and radio and television broadcast engineer. I am also the sole owner of Advent Publishing Company. This Company is registered as a sole proprietorship, in Carson County, State of Nevada. I operate this business to occupy my spare time and to supplement my retirement income. Neither myself, or my Company has any connection with America West Publishing, their publication the "Phoenix Liberator," or any of their numerous publications. I do not know them, and I have never had any dealings with them. It should be perfectly clear and very obvious from what I've stated, that I find the activities of America West and the content of the "Phoenix Liberator" thoroughly disgusting. And that, Mr. Corbin, is the overwhelming reason for my use of a strong disclaimer, disavowing any relationship or affiliation with the above named organization, its publications, and their known principals. You also raise the question as to whether I am the same Richard Miller who, many years ago, communicated with an individual known as Hatonn and started an organization known as the Solar Cross. My answer may startle you. Yes I am, and yes I did. However, I have not been active in such activities for many years. I am answering this question only because of your attempt to make an onerous association between myself and America West, and the "Phoenix Liberator." An association that doesn't exist. I can state, however, without reservation, that the "Phoenix Liberator" is fraudulently using the name Hatonn and claiming he is the source of their information. They have used the name of a respected Being as a "drawing card" to entice the innocent and lend a degree of credibility to the rubbish they publish. I am not the only one who might feel this way. In closing let me quote a paragraph in a message sent to Jack Mathias by Don Allen, regarding America West and the "Phoenix Liberator," on Fido_UFO: "Jack - Received your message and here is something to mull over. Just remember that people who claim to channel "Higher Entities" should be judged not only on their words, but also by their actions and ethics. I have read a considerable amount of "Hatonn's" material and it does not leave me feeling edified, uplifted or enlightened. It is very condemnatory. It is, I submit, not of the Light. These aren't the words of a "Christed being"...they are Cooperish rantings from quick buck con artists and most likely the "entity" that Dharma" is "channelling" (If "Hatonn" exists at all) is most definitely some lower/dark astral being. By their fruits ye shall know them." 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