Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 588 Monday, August 31st 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Re: "The Dancing Lights" "The Dancing Lights" Vallee Article Re: "The Dancing Lights" Jack Mathias Sighting Report 8/29/92 : sighting 8/29/92 Re: Mysterious Happening ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: "The Dancing Lights" Date: 26 Aug 92 20:30:00 GMT HI Brent, Thanks for the note! Tell me more about artist James Terrel and Rodin Crater, OK? Is this the artist who paints realistic UFO's against realistic desert scenery?? One thing about the weather here, Brent, is that it is changeable! A recent storm had the temp down to 70. and now it's back to 102. Take care! :-) Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Brent.Wilcox@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Brent Wilcox) Subject: "The Dancing Lights" Date: 28 Aug 92 04:18:00 GMT >>Thanks for the note! Tell me more about artist James Terrel and >> Rodin Crater, OK? Is this the artist who paints realistic UFO's >> against realistic desert scenery?? Terrell does remarkable "scuplture installations" using perceptual qualities of light and color to create illusions of space and depth (or the lack thereof). Hard to explain... About a decade ago he -- inspired by the qualities of desert light he'd observed as a pilot -- bought Rodin Crater, northeast of Flagstaff. Since then he's been digging out an elaborate assortment of "galleries" and viewports in various parts of the extinct crater, entered from an underground tunnel entrance. It was supposed to be completeted years ago, but his concept has gotten increasingly complicated and larger. I really love his work, and tried to visit the Crater. They used to give occaisonal tours of the work-in-progress, but insurance costs put an end to that. At least I know where he hangs out on Flagstaff. * JABBER v1.1 #55 * -- Brent Wilcox - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Brent.Wilcox@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Vallee Date: 28 Aug 92 00:08:00 GMT > It isn't the first time... Yeah, I know, but in the past he's pretty much just vanished without making such a pronouncement. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Article Date: 29 Aug 92 01:10:02 GMT * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference" * Originally from Tim Rigg * Originally dated 08-26-92 07:57 This article appeared in the Daily Breeze (LA) 8/25/92 Mystery Craft Spotted by Jetliner By Ken Leiser THe cockpit crew of a London-bound 747 reported a close encounter with a fast-moving aircraft near a Southern California Air Force Base earlier this month, but federal officials said Monday that the mysterious second craft never showed up on radar screens. A United Airlines crew reported seeing what appeared to be a missile or a Lockheed SR-71 type of airplane in airspace above George Air Force Base near Victorville, said Fred O'Donnell, spokesman for the FAA. United flight 934 was en route to London from LA on August 5 when the alleged sighting occurred, O'Donnell said. A United spokesman said today that the pilot did not report a near collision and couldn't say whether the airline will follow up the investigation. An account that appeared in this week's edition of Aviation Week & Space Technology said the "unusual aircraft" passed beneath the jumbo jet within 500 to 1000 feet at a high rate of speed, leading the crew to conclude it was supersonic. "There is really nothing to investigate," O'Donnell said. When controllers at the LA radar center were told of a close call, they couldn't find a second radar target on their screens. The sighting was near the soon-to-be closed George Air Force Base, bt a spokesman there said all aircraft were removed from the base at the end of June and any munitions have been packed away. He referred further inquiries to the Pentagon. "We're done. We're down," said Air Farce Captain Jim Tynan. George Air Farce Base is about 55 miles south of Edwards Air Farce Base and was a training area for pilots of the F-4G WIld Weasel, an aircraft whose mission is to eliminate surface-to-air missile sites. Dottie Spiegelberg, chief of media relations at Edwards, said the sighting was reported in the airspace that military officials monitor, but "there was nothing on (base radar tapes) but the United Airlines flight." O'Donnell said the desert airspace is not restricted, but it is used for military operations. However, none was in progress that day, he said. -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: "The Dancing Lights" Date: 29 Aug 92 05:54:00 GMT Hi Brent, Thanks for the info on James Terrel! Never heard of him or Rodin Crater until you told me (I've only live here since Dec. '87). I love Flagstaff, so will ask next time I'm there, Thanks!! Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: cix.clink.co.uk!tprinn Subject: Jack Mathias Date: 30 Aug 92 17:14:10 GMT From: Trevor Prinn I was quite interested in the Phoenix Project stuff until I read that Paranet had obtained it from Jack L Mathias. About a year ago Jack appeared in the Issues forum on Compuserve (CIS) with a couple of SF stories he had written under the name Jay Lewis, and was claiming to be true stories. They told of how he had been abducted by aliens on numerous occasions and had eventually been informed by them that he was himself an alien implanted into a human body and was, in reality, the husband (or something) of one of his abductors. He was trying to get them published as fiction but I didn't think he was likely to succeed. In subsequent messages in the forum he mentioned things like having broken into an underground alien base and getting into a (gun?) fight with the greys who occupied it. He also claimed to have been taught some mind control and ESP techniques by the friendly aliens from the SF stories. The first of these I recognised from an early novel by AE Van Vogt and when I asked him if it was called the cortical thalamic pause he confirmed it enthusiastically and near enough asked me which aliens had taught it to me. When I told him where it came from he replied that he had never read any Van Vogt, and that that author must therefore have had some alien contact similar to his own. I didn't believe the first part of that because I had already noted that the Jay Lewis stories showed some stylistic similarities to Van Vogt. I thought of writing to Van Vogt to get his opinion about the second part but decided that it would probably just annoy him. Later Jack posted some information about a further technique he had been taught that enabled him to carry out telekinesis. This also looked rather familiar and an hour spent poking around my quite extensive SF collection turned up Jack of Eagles by James Blish. Not only did this describe exactly the same thing in some detail but Blish also made a deliberate mistake when quoting the Blackett equation (a formulation of Heisenburg indeterminacy), which Jack had witlessly copied. I don't know if it was significant but both of these SF books were inspired by Count Korzybski's exposition of General Semantics, Science and Sanity. I posted a reply that included a reference to a scene in Jack of Eagles so that Jack could, if he wished, continue our game without letting on to the other forum participants, but he didn't reply and posted no further messages in the forum. Not long after that money trouble forced me to reduce my CIS usage to just a mailbox and distribution point for my shareware business so I didn't know that he had returned with more of this stuff. By coincidence, I intended to rejoin the Issues forum in a week or two anyway, so I hope he is still there peddling this Phoenix stuff - he gave me a few good laughs last time around. (Sorry if that was a bit long but you know how it is when you are assigning someone's character.) Trev Prinn tprinn@cix.compulink.co.uk 100016.2726@compuserve.com -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Sighting Report 8/29/92 Date: 31 Aug 92 05:06:01 GMT * Forwarded from Michael Corbin, 104/428 * Originally to uucp * Originally dated 30 Aug 92 21:51:47 Subject:: sighting 8/29/92 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UFO1.DOC Date: 08/29/92 Time: 20:19 Hrs. Last seen at: 20:37 Hrs. Event Duration: 18 Minutes Observation Location: 2000 W. 92nd Ave.,******, Federal Heights, CO., USA. Type of Event: Unidentifiable Flying Craft. Distance when first noticed: Aproxmately 8 Nautical Miles. Distance when last seen: Aproxmately 40 Nautical Miles. Estimated altitude @ first observation: 3500 Ft. A.G.L. (Above Ground Leval). Estimated altitude when last seen: Aproxmately 15,000 Ft. A.G.L.. Wittness narration of event: On this date (Aug-29-1992) at 20:19 Hrs. I was standing in my driveway, next to my car watching my dogs in the yard. It was a clear night with, with very few clouds in the sky. Visibility at the time was unlimited. At that time I heard, then looked up, and saw a commercial jet liner turning West as it passed over my area of town. This is a regular event in this area. I then scanned the skies to see what else was flying at that time of night. I saw a second jet liner arking up, and making a turn out to the East, from Stapleton Airport, in Denver. Immediately thereafter, I noticed a bright white light, eminating from an approaching craft flying slowly in an approxmate heading of 40 degrees inbound from the South Western side of the metro area. It was flying at aproxmately 3500 Ft. above the ground at aproxmately 250 KTS. (Nautical Miles Per Hour). A normal altitude and speed for heavy jet aircraft to approach the Stapleton Airport. When the noise from the departing jets had abaited, I then noticed that there was no noise comming from the direction of the oncoming craft. Noting that I couldn't see any other running lights, strobes, nor wing and tail lights; I opened my car and pulled out my binoculars to have a closer look. At about the time that I got my binoculars trained on the object, it started a gentle turn across the middle of the Denver Area. The object seemed to flutter a little bit (a gentle rocking motion, like a small plane in a high wind) as it flew twards me. Never, during the time of observation, did I hear any sound from the direction of the craft. A light breeze was blowing at the time. But as a trained weather watcher, I don't feel that it was in any way near the velocity necessary to hide the sound of an aircraft flying over the Denver basin. As the craft made its turn I seemed to detect a dark mass behind the white light. But the light was too bright to see any detail. Continuing to make its turn, and picking up a new heading of aproxmately 90 degrees, magnetic, it continued on Eastward without loosing altitude as a landing aircraft might have done. (I am reasonably sure that the craft was low enough to be in the Denver TCA (Denver [aircraft] Traffic Control Area the entire time over the city) It continued to fly Eastward at the same rate of speed. When it was East of the city a little way, it sic.[aparently] began to rise in altitude; just as the surface of the earth does East of Denver. At that point, I began to have trees show up in the picture I saw through my binoculars. The object seemed to stay relatively leval for a while. Then, I began to see some color change near the base of the white light. It first flashed a bluish color then turned to yellow alternating with green. These color changes were at the base of the white light, and only lasted for a few seconds. Then the object started to rise. I know that because I could see the trees in my binoculars sight picture starting to drop away at the bottom of the picture. The object didn't appear to be going away at that time eather. It remained just as bright as it had beeb the whole sighting time. The most unusual thing about the sighting was that the white light was plainly visible from all angles. Very much "unlike" the lights on an regular aircraft. When lights from a regular aircraft are seen, they dim, fade out, or completely change pattern when the aircraft turns and flys off in a different direction. Had the light eminated from a conventional landing light, it would have dissappeared when the craft was flying away from my vantage point. This light did not do eather. I had to let the dogs back in the house. In doing so, I lost view of the object for about 30 seconds. When I returned to my observation place, the object had vanished. Noting that there was an up-slope condition in the weather information for that evening, coupled with the appaerance of a thin overcast approaching from the East, I called the lead forcaster at the U.S. Weather Bureau and asked the cloud heigth. He informed me that the cloud heigth at 21:00 hours, was 12,000 Ft. Or aproxmately 7,500 above the ground. The cloud height was aparently lower than the object when I last observed it. This was determined a few minutes after the lost sighting, as the clouds began to come in from the East; and appeared over the view with the trees in it. During the sighting, I had my binoculars steadyed on the top of the car. END REPORT PARANET FILENAME: UFO1.DOC -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Re: Mysterious Happening Date: 31 Aug 92 15:29:02 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally from Bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com * Originally dated 08-29-92 12:24 From: bottom@hawk1.enet.dec.com Date: 27 Aug 92 12:41:46 GMT Organization: ASO IM operations Message-ID: <1634@sousa.ltn.dec.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors with all the noise about investigators and their non-clinical approach I decided to add this little thread. I was regressed once by Dr. John Mack at his home in Mass. We were investigating a particular incident that seemed a bit odd, but where I had no conscious memory of anything unusual happening, except that there was a time anomoly, ie: it appeared that I had lost a couple hours of time. My closest friend who was there at the time felt my behavior was bizzarre and inconsistant with my normal behavior both immediately before and after the incident, he however cannot discuss the subject for any length of time without becoming violently ill. I find this to be a bit odd in itself. There were other details that are consistant with other abduction experiences which I have been asked to keep private as some of these details are used to in an attempt to validate other potential experiencer's stories.I have a cassette tape of the regression and I can say that he did not lead me to any conclusion, in fact we found nothing at all. This is a very normal occurance, Hopkins and others have all done countless regressions where there was no "memory" of an abduction or any other out of the ordinary experience. (the missing time has not been explaned though) Skeptics and critics of these investigators ignore this fact as it's inconsistant with their preconceptions of amatuers leading hypnotized victims to outrageous conclusions. The reason you don't hear more about the failures is because they aren't of any value whatsoever in the continuing investigations. There are a number of trained professionals like Dr. Mack who are working in this field now who are not charlatans or amatuers and they get similar results as Hopkins and others without leading their subject in any way. There are unfortunately a number of hangers-on like Strieber (who ripped Budd Hopkins off to write his books) who only add to the noise level. (an interesting aside here about Strieber: All of the abductees that I know personally believe that Strieber is lying in his books, the same feeling I got when I read them, I've since heard rumors that Strieber has admitted making it up but I don't know if that's true). As to what Dr. Mack believes he's pretty hard to pin down on the subject. I take that to be positive since he's not saying that aliens abducted these people, he does say that all of the abductees have a remarkably consistant story to tell and they have all been subjected to some major trauma in their lives, the source of which seems to be the same. To quote Dr Mack "30 crazy people could not have thought up stories this consistant independantly of each other". If there is a terrestial explanation I'd love to hear one I can believe. Spare me the child sexual trauma explanations though they don't pan out in most of these cases and where they do the investigation is dropped, at least by the people who I've been exposed to. -- /dave +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | ESP, Steinberger, Fender, Kitty Hawk, Rivera, Rocktron, Alesis, Tascam, | | Metaltronix, EMG, Semour Duncan, D'Addario rock on! | | Midi rack pukes do it with 16 channels | | You make my life and times a book of bluesy Saturdays... | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/infopara Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom *********************End**of**the**InfoPara**Newsletter************************