Abduction Digest, Number 59 Wednesday, April 29th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Re: Thursday TV Program Re: Thursday TV Program Budd Hopkins Ellen Crystall Budd Hopkins Re: Secret Life - Questio Scott Corder MD Re: Thursday Tv Program KOA Weird Night appearance Re: Secret Life - Questio Re: Scott Corder MD malpractice Re: Abduction Detection ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Thursday TV Program Date: 24 Apr 92 04:38:00 GMT In a message to A L L <04-20-92 21:22> Linda Bird wrote: LB> I understand that the early evening program "Hard Copy" (NBC) LB> will feature a story/stories on UFO abductions and abductees telling Are you sure it wasn't "A Current Affair"? If so, ya didn't miss much if you missed it. They sandwiched in a fairly credible segment on abductions between the Gulf Breeze flare balloons and Scott Corder, of all people. (By the way, Mike Corbin, were you aware that he got his medical licence back??) Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Thursday TV Program Date: 24 Apr 92 05:17:00 GMT Hi Jim, Just watched the tape of the UFO show on "A current Affair" -- you were right! Anyway I got the tape correct. Lots of Gulf Breeze; Uncle Phil was there; I almost forgot who Steve Corder was until I remembered he was tied into Donna somebody; Jim, you think those asre flare balloons? As good an explanation as any...they forgot cattle mutes. See ya, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Budd Hopkins Date: 21 Apr 92 06:37:48 GMT Budd Hopkins had a surgical procedure last week in New York and it went extremely well. He can anticipate no more problems and will lead a healthy life (hopefully). He is home now and on the mend. Although it threw a scare into all of us close to him, the best possible outcome came from a serious situation. We are all relieved and Budd will resume his schedule in a few weeks. Via SPITFIRE Bulletin Board System - Version 3.1 -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Hicks) Subject: Ellen Crystall Date: 22 Apr 92 04:43:00 GMT > A localized time shift could shift light from a UFO into IR or UV, or > even make it invisible. Well, ok....you know much more about that than I do...but that's still not what she said. Haven't come across the book yet. > But if that's what they're up to, they probably > aren't doing it to waste folks' FotoMat dollars... :-) Yeah, I'll buy that. jbh -- John Hicks - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Hicks@f29.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Budd Hopkins Date: 24 Apr 92 15:09:00 GMT > Budd Hopkins had a surgical procedure last week in New York and it > went extremely well. He can anticipate no more problems and will lead a > healthy life (hopefully). He is home now and on the mend. Although it > threw a scare into all of us close to him, the best possible outcome > came from a serious situation. We are all relieved and Budd will > resume his schedule in a few weeks. Perhaps you could elaborate a little more on what happened with Budd. No one on the network is aware that he was ill. Thanks, Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Powell@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell) Subject: Re: Secret Life - Questio Date: 25 Apr 92 09:15:00 GMT In a message to John Powell <22 Apr 92 20:44> Linda Bird wrote: LB> Under the microscope instead of the weather, huh? Hehehe How are ya Linda. Yeah, the recent past here has been nothing short of baffling. It seems that "Officialdom" has coagulated around me... Fortunately, I'm not an overly paranoid person... LB> But when she was thinking to HERSELF, "Gee, I have to go to pottie..." LB> she thought this was a private thought that the aliens wouldn't be able LB> to pick up on. Sort of like pressing the "mute" button on a remote LB> control TV gadget. Instead, the alien DID pick up on the thought! He LB> got her out of there, perhaps afraid she would make a mess. LB> Lydia was an adult when this experience occurred. Why would an adult think "pottie"? Don't you think that's an unusual choice of words/expression? (How did she determine it was a "he"?) Why would they be worried about such a mess? I love these kind of examples because lately I've been forcing myself to specifically concentrate on two possibilities: 1) Abductions occur strictly in the mind, they have no objective reality, they have no physical reality, they are a self-created illus I haven't begun to understand all the elements associated with #2 above, (and I've allowed myself #1 simply to serve as the whipping boy), but there are at least two areas that interest me. First, there is the large area called Stigmata, (which Jacobs should have done more on, IMHO). It is not enough to acknowledge that stigmata exists, which it does, and then dismiss it solely because we don't understand how it could possibly account for t(his.) It is not enough to explain Christian-related blood myths as stigmatic responses and close the book. The _mind_ caused those experiences, that much is documented. Shall we assume that the mind is, somehow, therefore incapable of a non-Christian stigmati Second, there is this area called 'phantom pain', usually associated with phantom limbs. An amputee can 'feel' the missing limb, feel heat or cold or touch, etc. Additionally, when a spot on a phantom limb 'itches' it can be 'scratched' and the 'itch' w "...neuromatrix, or network of neurons, that, in addition to responding to sensory stimulation, continuously generates a characteristic pattern of impulses indicating that the body is intact and unequivocally one's own." "The brain does more than detect and analyze inputs; it generates perceptual experience even when no external inputs occur. We do not need a body to feel a body." "Phantoms [sensory experience from phantom limbs] become comprehensible once we recognize that the brain generates the experience of the body. Sensory inputs merely modulate that experience; they do not directly cause it." - Phantom Limbs, Ronald Melzack, Ph.D, Professor of Psychology, Scientific American, April, 1992. The mind maintains a template of itself, of a conceived self, and it's form. Removing a portion of the form does not alter the original template - the template exists, in at least a near-complete form, prior to the existance of the form itself. If the _mind_ is abducted, (and I have no idea what that experience would be like nor do I think does anyone who hasn't experienced it; and given this proposed scenario I feel that conventional hypnotic regression techniques are _fully incapable_ of revea (If the mind was abducted then the abductor might return it to it's body before it wet the bed to avoid detection...???) Thanks, take care. John. * X R S * Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence -- John Powell - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Powell@f134.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Scott Corder MD Date: 25 Apr 92 19:42:02 GMT * In a message originally to Linda Bird, Jim Speiser said: >Are you sure it wasn't "A Current Affair"? If so, ya didn't >miss much if you missed it. They sandwiched in a fairly >credible segment on abductions between the Gulf Breeze flare >balloons and Scott Corder, of all people. (By the way, Mike >Corbin, were you aware that he got his medical licence back??) Hi Jim, You saw the show, then? I saw a teaser for it but couldn't watch the program. I'm interested in the Corder situation (OMNI story I did) and didn't know he had his license back -- is this firm, not a gonna but a done? I'd love to hear anything you recall from that segment. Thanks for the note (above) mentioning it which allowed me to learn about this interesting detail! ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: Re: Thursday Tv Program Date: 25 Apr 92 19:46:03 GMT * In a message originally to Jim Speiser, Linda Bird said: >Hi Jim, > >Just watched the tape of the UFO show on "A current Affair" -- >you were right! Anyway I got the tape correct. > >Lots of Gulf Breeze; Uncle Phil was there; I almost forgot who >Steve Corder was until I remembered he was tied into Donna >somebody; Jim, you think those asre flare balloons? As good an >explanation as any...they forgot cattle mutes. Hi Linda, You have a tape of the program? Any chance I could borrow it for a week and return it? I would be glad to pay full postage and copy price for tape or send you something else if you'd rather. I have read the book that Corder and Donna/"Ruth" Butts wrote...it's a strange story. Thanks for mentioning the program. (Wish I'd been able to see your announcement mssg sooner! That'll teach me to fail to call in daily! ) ==Peggy== -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Peggy Noonan) Subject: KOA Weird Night appearance Date: 25 Apr 92 19:59:04 GMT Hello David, I was so impressed by your excellent presentation on last week's (4/24/92) "Weird Night" on KOA Radio -- you did a great job of conveying information quickly and without extraneous detail and of relating that information in an entertaining and enlightening way. It was a great program and I'm sure Rick Barber (host) enjoyed what you had to say as much as his listeners, including myself, did. Many of the issues you pointed out made me see the abductee situation in a new light. Particularly impressive to me were two points you raised: 1) the missing people really are physically missing, based on searches and family members reporting the missing to police, and 2) the similarity of all reports of examination, whether the reporting person is an adult or small child (adults might have common background of having read/seen/heard such descriptions and absorbed them into confabultion but it's extremely unlikely that children could've done so.) The most outstanding point, though, was the lack of explanation offered by abductees. I had not thought of that before -- that it would be the first thing a confabulator or otherwise in-error person reporting abduction would do, but these people who appear to actually be abductees have not created or found any answer to the "why are they here" or "why are they doing this" questions because they don't know the answers. It makes perfect sense that someone who would create the story of his own abduction for whatever reason would also create a response to fill that gap. In fact, the interesting points you brought up on the Weird Night program and the comments and supporting evidence you added have convinced me that I must now read your book. Thank you! ==Peggy= -- Peggy Noonan - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Peggy.Noonan@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Linda Bird) Subject: Re: Secret Life - Questio Date: 26 Apr 92 06:33:00 GMT Hi John, I don't know why aliens would be afraid of a mess, unless they have cleaned up a bunch of messes. Remember the South American man (I recall the words "Villa Boas" for some reason) I mentioned earlier who said he threw up while aboard the spacecraft. I seem to recall some-thing I saw in OMNI within the last year about people who said they had thrown up while abducted. I can look for that article later in the week... I recall Budd Hopkins talking about mind abductions while I attended the Pensacola MUFON Conference in July 1990. While the aliens may be playing mind games, for some it is all too real, so it seems. Regards, Linda -- Linda Bird - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Linda.Bird@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Jim Speiser) Subject: Re: Scott Corder MD Date: 26 Apr 92 23:18:00 GMT Hi Peggy: PN> Hi Jim, PN> You saw the show, then? I saw a teaser for it but couldn't PN> watch the program. I'm interested in the Corder situation (OMNI PN> story I did) and didn't know he had his license back -- is this firm, PN> not a gonna but a done? I'd love to hear anything you recall from According to the program, it's a fait accompli. I'm not sure what reason was given for lifting it in the first place, does anyone know? Anyway, Corder was among the strangest of the strange. I didn't know you wrote the OMNI article about him, I would have provided you with my Corder file, which is about an inch thick with correspondence from him, all showing one man's gradual descent into total insanity. The only good segment on that program was the abductions and the interview with Jacobs. Unfortunately, that was sandwiched between the Gulf Breeze lights and Corder. The Gulf Breeze lights are almost surely balloon-borne road flares. A Current Affair made a big deal about catching the things on camera and having zero explanation, yet the first thing I thought of was "road flare." The things burned an incandescent, sparkly red for a while, then flashed white and winked out - EXACTLY what a road flare would do. Here's the unfortunate thing: A Current Affair used to make fun of UFOs. While its good to see such a program change its mind, its terrible if it happens for the wrong reason. When and If the GB flare UFOs are ever exposed, ACA will have its face covered with indelible egg, and will probably vow, "We won't get fooled again." After that point, a landing in St. Peter's Square on live satellite TV wouldn't impress them. Jim -- Jim Speiser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jim.Speiser@f100.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Sheldon Wernikoff) Subject: malpractice Date: 27 Apr 92 15:33:02 GMT Hello David, I am interested in learning how you and the therapists that you work with protect yourselves against potential malpractice suits that may arise from "discontented" subjects. This insurance consideration seems to be a significant research roadblock for many professionals, who fear possible reprisals from individuals for therapy conducted outside of the conventional clinic scenario. Regards, Sheldon -- Sheldon Wernikoff - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Sheldon.Wernikoff@p0.f605.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis) Subject: Re: Abduction Detection Date: 29 Apr 92 00:18:00 GMT Point well made. But, how does such an object disappear? Does someone (or thing) remove it, or does it molecularly come apart? For obvious scientific reasons, there is a bit of a problem with the latter explanation. -- Tom Davis - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************** For permission to reproduce or redistribute this digest, contact: DOMAIN Michael.Corbin@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!Michael.Corbin ****************A**B**D**U**C**T**I**O**N****D**I**G**E**S**T******************* Submissions UUCP {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom!abduct Submissions DOMAIN abduct@scicom.alphacdc.com Admin Address abduct-request@shemtaia.weeg.uiowa.edu Mail to private Paranet/Fidonet addresses from the newsletters: DOMAIN firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP scicom!paranet.org!firstname.lastname ****************A**B**D**U**C**T**I**O**N****D**I**G**E**S**T*******************