Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 591 Wednesday, September 9th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Jack Mathias Children And Abductions Cause Of Ufo Confusion?? The Name "Mensna X" Ufo Rendez-vous Gulf Breeze Six In The Ne William Cooper Radio Program ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Jack Mathias Date: 6 Sep 92 17:50:01 GMT * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference" * Originally from Jack Mathias * Originally dated 09-02-92 08:33 -=> Quoting Michael Corbin to All <=- ....... Michael. Have read the following and feel that I have the right to interject my thoughts, etc. Not so much as for a defense to merely to clarify the points. In order to limit the message size I will omit any areas that do not pertain. Oh, before I start I will say that I remember sharing messages with the originator, Trevor Prinn. ...Jack L Mathias. - - - - - - MC> * Forwarded from "ParaNet UFO Echo" MC> * Originally dated 08-30-92 12:10 MC> From: Trevor Prinn MC> I was quite interested in the Phoenix Project stuff until I read that MC> Paranet had obtained it from Jack L Mathias. About a year ago Jack MC> appeared in the Issues forum on Compuserve (CIS) with a couple of SF MC> stories he had written under the name Jay Lewis, and was claiming to MC> be true stories. They told of how he had been abducted by aliens on MC> numerous occasions and had eventually been informed by them that he MC> was himself an alien implanted into a human body and was, in reality, MC> the husband (or something) of one of his abductors. He was trying to MC> get them published as fiction but I didn't think he was likely to MC> succeed. .......... Mr. Trevor Prinn is right to a point. I did get involved in the Paranormal Issues thread concerning UFOs etc and the topic of adductions did come up. And as Trevor states, I did put two files into the library which concerned the issue. However what Mr. Prinn says about numerous abductions isn't exactly the way I put it. I told of my 1988 abduction and through this I learned I had been also abducted during my childhood. To date, I have been unable to recall any of the details and based my statement solely on what my abductors showed me. The part where Prinn states ... "informed by them that he was himself an alien implanted into a human body and was, in reality, the husband (or something) of one of his abductors" .. doesn't add up. However, in the story that I put into the library *The Recall* by J. Lewis, I did describe events that to this day I still belive to be real. As I stated at the time I wrote the stores as fiction because I knew that no one would believe them to be factual. Even I had trouble believing it. ...... MC> In subsequent messages in the forum he mentioned things like having MC> broken into an underground alien base and getting into a (gun?) fight MC> with the greys who occupied it. ..... I made no such claim. However if I remember correctly there were some people participating in the thread who tried to make this assumption. FYI this base is the one mentioned in the Phoenix Project K2 Report and if you have had the opportunity to read exhibit 21, I am the person who met and conversed with the Grey. However, at no time were there any hostil actions nor did anyone enter the base. .. MC> He also claimed to have been taught MC> some mind control and ESP techniques by the friendly aliens from the MC> SF stories. The first of these I recognised from an early novel by AE MC> Van Vogt and when I asked him if it was called the cortical thalamic MC> pause he confirmed it enthusiastically and near enough asked me which MC> aliens had taught it to me. When I told him where it came from he MC> replied that he had never read any Van Vogt, and that that author MC> must therefore have had some alien contact similar to his own. I MC> didn't believe the first part of that because I had already noted MC> that the Jay Lewis stories showed some stylistic similarities to Van MC> Vogt. I thought of writing to Van Vogt to get his opinion about the MC> second part but decided that it would probably just annoy him. ..... I still make the claim that I have not read any of the stories mentioned by Mr. Prinn. .... MC> Later Jack posted some information about a further technique he had MC> been taught that enabled him to carry out telekinesis. ....... I stated that I experimented and had little sucess. I said I was able to make a piece of paper vibrate but could not lift it. Someone, possibly Mr. Prinn suggested using a paper clip, stating it would work better. Unfortunately, I had no success there, either. ..... MC> This also MC> looked rather familiar and an hour spent poking around my quite MC> extensive SF collection turned up Jack of Eagles by James Blish. Not MC> only did this describe exactly the same thing in some detail but MC> Blish also made a deliberate mistake when quoting the Blackett MC> equation (a formulation of Heisenburg indeterminacy), which Jack had MC> witlessly copied. I don't know if it was significant but both of MC> these SF books were inspired by Count Korzybski's exposition of MC> General Semantics, Science and Sanity. .... I continue to make the same claim as above. I have not read any of the books mentioned. As for the Blackett equation I did use it but it wasn't until after Mr. Prinn said what it was that I knew this. .... MC> I posted a reply that included a reference to a scene in Jack of MC> Eagles so that Jack could, if he wished, continue our game without MC> letting on to the other forum participants, but he didn't reply and MC> posted no further messages in the forum. Not long after that money MC> trouble forced me to reduce my CIS usage to just a mailbox .... Seems Mr. Prinn suffered the same fate I did. However I ceased my connection in Issues/Paranormal when people started saying I should contact Don Ecker of MUFON. [At least I think that was the person they wanted me to contact. I am certain about MUFON. Ufortunately, I firmly believed and still believe that would have been a dangerous move. .... MC> and MC> distribution point for my shareware business so I didn't know that he MC> had returned with more of this stuff. By coincidence, I intended to MC> rejoin the Issues forum in a week or two anyway, so I hope he is MC> still there peddling this Phoenix stuff - he gave me a few good MC> laughs last time around. MC> (Sorry if that was a bit long but you know how it is when you are MC> assigning someone's character.) MC> Trev Prinn .... I am also sorry this is so long, Michael. I failed to cut any of it because in the long run, it all counted. I will say this, however. When I got involved in Issues/Paranomral I had no idea, what-so-ever that the Phoenix Project would ever release any of our information. Had I, I sure wouldn't have input the information I did because as you can see, it did, discredit me. At least in Mr. Prinn's mind. Sincerely J. L Mathias. [Yes, the L stands for Lewis] .. Weather forecast for tonight: Dark. -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Children And Abductions Date: 6 Sep 92 17:54:02 GMT * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference" * Originally from Diane Phillabaum * Originally dated 09-04-92 00:30 Hi, I,m new to the UFO echo, but I am interested in UFO abductions. I was wondering if you knew about children and their abduction experiences. My sister came to me with this story: Her son 3 yrs. was put to bed at 8:00 she was in bed reading at 9:00 and she heard my nephew crying down stairs (his room is up stairs). She found all the doors closed (he can't open doors yet) and thought it was strange but let him go "potty" and sent him to bed again. The next morning my nephew said, "Mommy why to people give me shot?" She thought he was dreaming about when he was in the hospital with pneumona about a year ago. So she asked him about it and he denied it and stated it was "last night".She noticed a small brown mark on his right deltoid muscle about 1 cm in diameter that was not their before. She questioned him about it and he said, "shot!" A few days later he told daddy about people coming into his room taking him on a "bus" to a "spaceship". When they questioned him about what went on in the "spaceship", he said, "They took pictures me!" My sister asked him what did these people look like and he made big circles with his hands over his eyes and pinched his lips and he said they had no nose. Later I found Budd Hopkins' book INTRUDERS and gave it to her to read. My nephew saw her reading it and he pointed to the picture of the alien and said, "Those are the MASTERS." She said oh and didn't make a big deal out of it. She has two children a daughter of 12 and a son of 9 and she recalls the son of 9 saying people are watching him at night over his bed and in his window. The daughter is obcessed with ghosts and the paranormal. My sister thought my nephew watched a documentery on tv. Could a 3 year old make up a story like this? I'm really scared and skeptical. Could you or anyone else be so kind as to write me and give me some advice on the subject. Oh a friend of mine has a 4 year old nephew saying the SAME stuff. What is going on here? Help, Diane ___ WinQwk 2.0 a#512 -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Cause Of Ufo Confusion?? Date: 6 Sep 92 17:59:03 GMT * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference" * Originally from Jim Sanders * Originally dated 09-03-92 23:04 From: DEAN ADAMS Subj: NEW AURORA ARTICLE RECENT SIGHTINGS OF XB-70-LIKE AIRCRAFT REINFORCE 1990 REPORTS FROM EDWARDS AREA by William B. Scott Lancaster, Calif. A large aircraft having a planform reminiscent of the Air Force North American XB-70 supersonic bomber of the 1960s has been seen flying on the U.S. East and West coasts over the last two years. Two recent detailed reports of large, light-colored, XB-70 like aircraft --- one in Georgia and the other in California's Mojave desert --- provided new data that reinforce past sightings near Edwards AFB, Calif. Since September, 1990, residents of Mojave, Calif., and workers at Edwards AFB have seen a large, delta-shaped, light-colored air- craft flying in the area. A total of five separate sightings of this vehicle has been reported to AVIATION WEEK & SPACE TECHNOLOGY. Observers said they first saw a large, primarily delta-shaped aircraft at night during the summer of 1990. On Sept. 13, 1990, and Oct. 3, 1990, the same type of aircraft was seen flying near Mojave, Calif., in the late evening. Mojave is about 16 naut. mi. northwest of Edwards AFB. The dusk sightings yielded descriptions and sketches of the aircraft planform, nose and main landing gear door locations, lead- ing edge tile-like patterns, and lightings layout. Observers con- sistently reported a red light beneath the nose, amber lights near the delta's wingtips, and a white light between the main gear doors. Engine noise associated with the aircraft seen on Sept. 19 was described as a low-pitched rumble. However, noise from two chase aircraft - one was an F-16, the other was not identified - may have combined with that of the large aircraft, distorting the latter's sound. Afterburner flames from twin exhaust ports located under the wing trailing edge and immediately outboard of the aircraft center- line during the Oct. 3 sighting. CLUES ABOUT POSSIBLE MISSION A similar aircraft was seen in April, 1991, at about 11 a.m., flying north of Edwards AFB at an estimated altitude of 5,000- 10,000 ft. An observer said it was large - dwarfing an F-16 chas- ing it - and was light colored, possibly white. Independent sightings this year produced detailed sketches that correlate well with earlier ones and provide additional clues about the aircraft's possible mission. The first sighting this year was near Atlanta, Ga., on May 10. Glenn Emery, now a writer associated with Cable News Network, said a large, unidentified aircraft was flying eastbound at about 5 p.m. Because its size was unknown, its altitude was difficult to judge, but was estimated to be 10,000- 15,000 ft. The vehicle was clearly higher and faster than the air- line traffic descending for landing at Hartsfield Atlanta Internat- ional Airport. It was not leaving a contrail. He described the aircraft's planform as large, somewhat like an XB-70, but with a large forward wing or canard. Its dual engines were "extremely noisy", producing a deep-pitched, perioding beating sound, he said. Suggestions that he had seen the British Aerospace Concord or a Beech Starship were discounted by Emery, who said the shape, size and sound were inconsistent with either of those air- craft. Another sighting, on July 12 at 11:45 p.m., occurred near a Lockheed-operated radar cross section (RCS) test range in the Mojave desert. Described as an "XB-70-like" shape, the aircraft turned its landing lights on while at fairly high altitude, then descended quickly, following an S-pattern flight track. It made a final turn at about 200 ft. above a road, crossing less than a mile in front of a motorist who had watched its descend. Ambient noise masked any sounds from the aircraft. Bright moonlight illuminated the aircraft's upper surfaces, giving the observer a good look at the planform during the turn. The air- craft rolled out, presenting a side view as it descended and landed at a private Helendale airport adjacent to the Lockheed RCS test facility. Located about 15 naut. mi. southwest of Barstow, Calif., Helendale Airfield's three runways are close to civil pilots on current aero- nautical charts. However, Lockheed aircraft still land there when shuttling personel between its Burbank site and the RCS facility. Although weather was clear and calm at the Helendale field that night, several thunderstorms were reported in the Las Vegas area and through the highly classified range complexes in central Nevada. Based on observer reports, this unidentified aircraft's features include: # Large size, estimated to be close to 200 ft. in length. Observers near Edwards AFB said the vehicle "dwarfed" F-16 chase aircraft. # A large aft section with a clipped-delta platform. A narrower, blended fuselage extends from the delta's vertex forward to a clearcanopied cockpit and sharp nose. The main delta section has a prominent, raised spine along the top centerline. Upward- canted vertical fins rise at each outboard tip of the delta planform. # A prominent dark line extending longitudinally along part of the aft raised section. At the aft end of the line, just ahead of the trailing edge and between the engine nozzles, a broken visual pattern was seen, but observers could not describe it. # A forward wing or canard of fairly long span. The canard, possibly used only for takeoff, landing and slow-speed regimes, may pivot or sweep aft for internal stowage during high-speed flight (Some observers reported a dominant canard, while others did not recall, suggesting it can be stowed). # Dual rectangular engine exhaust nozzles at the aircraft's trailing edge. # Light-colored top and bottom surfaces, with dark leading and trailing edges. Although the propulsion system is unknown, observers have reported a "very loud, low-pitched roar" with a rhytmic beat to it. They did not hear a series of detonations, which have been associated with high-speed "pulser" vehicles that create "donuts-on-a-rope" contrails * With this article, there is an artist's composite of the craft. * The caption reads: "The aircraft configuration suggests a variety * of mission roles, including carriage and high-speed launch of * an unmanned vehicle into orbit". [AW&ST, August 24, 1992] In the same issue, there are two other related articles: UNITED 747 CREW REPORTS NEAR-COLLISION WITH MYSTERIOUS SUPERSONIC AIRCRAFT, by Michael A. Dornheim/Los Angeles. SECRET AIRCRAFT ENCOMPASSES QUALITIES OF HIGH-SPEED LAUNCHER FOR SPACECRAFT, by William B. Scott/Lancaster, Calif. -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) Subject: The Name "Mensna X" Date: 1 Aug 92 03:30:00 GMT Hello All! Did anyone hear about "Mensna X" ? We received in Berlin a telepatic (mental) message from a liveform with this name! cheers Andre -- Andre Eichner - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG (Andre Eichner) Subject: Ufo Rendez-vous Date: 4 Aug 92 16:58:00 GMT Hello Mike! Friday July 31 1992, Mike Keithly writes to All: MK> Francois Bourbeau, which is heading the OVNI-ALERTE MK> (OVNI is the french for UFO) organisation, was called. He went MK> there and has seen the object, has videotaped it (for about 2.5 MK> minutes). There was some observation done with binocular and MK> with a telescope (no mention of their respective MK> specifications). Did anybody has a ScreenMachine or other type of video->computer-device to put some pictures from this videotape on a bbs for request? cheers Andre -- Andre Eichner - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Andre.Eichner@f10.n2403.z2.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Gulf Breeze Six In The Ne Date: 8 Sep 92 05:32:00 GMT >> Something's rotten in Denmark. > Rex Salisberry was talking with some of the principals back during > the incident...he's probably the best source of info. > He expressed amazement about the honorable discharges and also said > he'd never heard of anyone being discharged so quickly... > jbh A friend just called me up and told me of an interview with one of the members of this group that was carried on "A Current Affair". Unfortunately, he wasn't able to see the entire interview and I was wondering if anyone caught it. From what little I could gather from the conversation the guy's name who was interviewed was "Davis"..don't know whether this was first or last name. Anyone else see it and have anything to add? Don -- Don Allen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: STL-06SIMA.ARMY.MIL!wmartin Subject: William Cooper Radio Program Date: 8 Sep 92 15:21:14 GMT From: Will Martin Hi! I've been greatly backlogged on reading ParaNet in recent months, so before I posted this, I scanned thru my files of back traffic for the string 'Cooper' and hope I caught all the references. I do believe that the person I will mention is the same 'Bill Cooper' or 'Milton W. Cooper' frequently referred to in this forum. It is sometimes confusing when people have relatively common names... Anyway, I thought people in this group would be interested to hear that William Cooper has his own radio show on a shortwave station that can be tuned in by just about anyone in North America and many other areas. Unfortunately, the vagaries of shortwave propagation and some annoying interference on the frequency this station uses have made it somewhat difficult for me to be precise about some of the terminology. The station is WWCR (WorldWide Christian Radio, a broadcaster that rents time to a lot of different religious and political programs). The frequency is 7435 kHz, and the time is 0500 UTC Monday, which is 1 AM Monday morning Eastern Daylight Time, 12 midnight Central Daylight, etc. I believe the program title is 'The Hour of the Time' (or 'Times'), but I might be somewhat off on that. The first broadcast was 31 August, and all it was was a reading of the Constitution. The second broadcast on 7 Sept was devoted to the seige of the cabin in Idaho in which several people were killed. I wasn't up to listen to this, and just taped the first 45 minutes on one side of a C-90 cassette, so I didn't hear the end. During the part I taped, which was a bit difficult to understand due to interference, Mr. Cooper identified himself as the author of the book 'Behold A Pale Horse'. One of the ParaNet documents also refer to that book as being by the William Cooper of UFO/MJ-12/JFK fame, so I believe this is the same person. In this broadcast, he solicits $25 'memberships' in an organization whose exact name I forget, but which has the word 'Intelligence' in the title, such as a private intelligence group or agency, to support these broadcasts. The contributions are supposed to go via a mailing address at the Becker Satellite Network (in Kansas, I think). There was no mention of UFOs or Paranormal topics in the program I heard. Perhaps Cooper is aiming this at a totally different audience, or perhaps he will draw in these topics in later broadcasts. One interesting side note is the way he referred to 'Bo' Gritz, the Populist presidential candidate, who acted as a negotiator in this Idaho cabin-siege standoff situation. Cooper would not refer to Gritz by name but instead made some slighting references to Gritz' actions in this case being politically motivated, and said he did not like him, and would discuss him in a later broadcast. [Anyone who remembers the way the national news media covered this Idaho incident might note that some networks referred to Gritz by name and to his presidential candidacy, while others (CBS in particular) just said 'a former Green Beret' was acting as a negotiator. Odd...] I realize that Mr. Cooper is held in contempt by most people who contribute to this forum. I don't know anything about him except what I've read here. I just thought you-all might be interested in knowing about this. When I first heard a reference to this program, it was in the context of a discussion of an unlicensed-radio broadcaster who is challenging the FCC's authority over him on Constitutional grounds, so I suppose that topic would be discussed in a soon-upcoming program. I had been confused at first as to just what 'Cooper' was referred to; there is a 'Bob Cooper' who started the home TVRO industry using surplus equipment back some decades ago, and I at first thought that was the person cited, since the context was radio-related. I was a bit surprised to find the UFO/MJ-12 'Bill Cooper' appearing in this context. 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