Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 612 Wednesday, November 25th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Moon Sightings Moon Sightings 2/2 Kevin Randle on Good Morning America Re: Ufo cases Re: part 2 Re: Corona Crashed & Smashed? Phoenix Project Moon Sightings Re: Phoenix Project Washington DC MUFON CONF Operation right to know ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Moon Sightings Date: 19 Nov 92 21:21:02 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally by Joseph Daniels * Originally to All * Originally dated 19 Nov 1992, 12:37 From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) Date: 19 Nov 92 04:35:00 GMT Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253 Message-ID: <1723.479.uupcb@homebase.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors To: coakley@cch.coventry.ac.uk (Cpl.Flash ) From:joseph.daniels@homebase.com CP| I'm not to sure of this as i dont have the book to hand (Above | Top Secret), but wasn't there a report that the crew of the eagle | (Armstrong et al), when they left the module, turned round and | found themselves looking at alien craft at the top of a crater? `------------------------------------------------------------------------ (The following file was posted on InfoNet London Ontario) Alien Moon Base by UFO Joe, InfoNet Is there an "Alien Base" on the Moon. More and more people are coming forward with stories of an Alien presence on the Moon. Rumors are that their "Moon Base" is on the dark side of the moon, the side we never see from Earth. Did you ever wonder why the Moon landings stopped and why have we not tried to build a Moon Base. It seems a better and easier idea than a floating space station? According to Neil Armstrong the Aliens have a base on the Moon and wanted us to get off and stay off the Moon! Milton Cooper a Naval Intellegence Officer tell us that the Intellegence community calls the Alien Base "Luna": LUNA: The Alien base on the far side of the Moon. It was seen and filmed by the Apollo Astronauts. A base, a mining operation using very large machines, and the very large alien craft described in sighting reports as MOTHER SHIPS exist there. - Milton Cooper * * * Did Apollo 11 Encounter UFOs on the Moon? from the Book "Above Top Secret" by Timothy Good According to hitherto unconfirmed reports, both Neil Armstrong and Edwin "Buzz" Aldrin saw UFOs shortly after that historic landing on the Moon in Apollo 11 on 21 July 1969. I remember hearing one of the astronauts refer to a "light" in or on a crater during the television transmission, followed by a request from mission control for further information. Nothing more was heard. According to a former NASA employee Otto Binder, unnamed radio hams with their own VHF receiving facilities that bypassed NASA's broadcasting outlets picked up the following exchange: NASA: Whats there? Mission Control calling Apollo 11... Apollo11: These "Babies" are huge, Sir! Enormous! OH MY GOD! You wouldn't believe it! I'm telling you there are other spacecraft out there, Lined up on the far side of the crater edge! They're on the Moon watching us! In 1979 Maurice Chatelain, former chief of NASA Communications Systems confirmed that Armstrong had indeed reported seeing two UFOs on the rim of a crater. "The encounter was common knowledge in NASA," he revealed, "but nobody has talked about it until now." Soviet scientists were allegedly the first to confirm the incident. "According to our information, the encounter was reported immediately after the landing of the module," said Dr. Vladimir Azhazha, a physicist and Professor of Mathematics at Moscow University. "Neil Armstrong relayed the message to Mission Control that two large, mysterious objects were watching them after having landed near the moon module. But his message was never heard by the public - because NASA censored it. "According to another Soviet scientist, Dr. Aleksandr Kazantsev, Buss Aldrin took color movie film of the UFOs from inside the module, and continued filming them after he and Armstrong went outside. Dr. Azhazha claims that the UFOs departed minutes after the astronauts came out on to the lunar surface. Maurice Chatelain also confirmed that Apollo 11's radio transmissions were interrupted on several occasions in order to hide the news from the public. Before dismissing Chatelain's sensational claims, it is worth noting his impressive background in the aerospace industry and space program. His first job after moving from France was as an electronics engineer with Convair, specializing in telecommunications, telemetry and radar. In 1959 he was in charge of an electromagnetic research group, developing new radar and telecommunications systems for Ryan. One of his eleven patents was an automatic radar landing system that ignited retro rockets at a given altitude, used in the Ranger and Surveyor flights to the Moon. Later, at North American Aviation, Chatelain was offered the job of designing and building the Apollo communications and data-processing systems. Chatelain claims that "all Apollo and Gemini flights were followed, both at a distance and sometimes also quite closely, by space vehicles of extraterrestrial origin - flying saucers, or UFOs, if you want to call them by that name. Every time it occurred, the astronauts informed Mission Control, who then ordered absolute silence." He goes on to say: "I think that Walter Schirra aboard Mercury 8 was the first of the astronauts to use the code name 'Santa Claus' to indicate the presence of flying saucers next to space capsules. However, his announcements were barely noticed by the general public. It was a little different when James Lovell on board the Apollo 8 command module came out from behind the moon and said for everybody to hear: 'PLEASE BE INFORMED THAT THERE IS A SANTA CLAUS.' Even though this happened on Christmas Day 1968, many people sensed a hidden meaning in those words." Rumors persist. NASA may well be a civilian agency, but many of its programs are funded by the defence budget and most of the astronauts are subject to military security regulations. Apart from the fact that the National Security Agency screens all films and probably radio communications as well. We have the statements by Otto Binder, Dr. Garry Henderson and Maurice Chatelain that the astronauts were under strict orders not to discuss their sightings. And Gordon Cooper has testified to a United Nations committee that one of the astronauts actually witnessed a UFO on the ground. If there is no secrecy, why has this sighting not been made public? A certain professor, who wished to remain anonymous, was engaged in a discussion with Neil Armstrong during a NASA symposium. Professor: What REALLY happened out there with Apollo 11? Armstrong: It was incredible, of course we had always known there was a possibility, the fact is, we were warned off!(by the Aliens). There was never any question then of a space station or a moon city. Professor: How do you mean "warned off"? Armstrong: I can't go into details, except to say that their ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology - Boy, were they big!...and menacing! No, there is no question of a space station. >>> Continued to next message . SLMR 2.1a . InfoNet London (519)649-1453 (Hit ^C and enter HELP at $ -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Moon Sightings 2/2 Date: 19 Nov 92 21:21:03 GMT * Forwarded from "Alt.Alien.Visitors" * Originally by Joseph Daniels * Originally to All * Originally dated 19 Nov 1992, 12:37 From: joseph.daniels@homebase.com (Joseph Daniels) Date: 19 Nov 92 04:35:00 GMT Organization: Home Base BBS - St. Thomas, Ontario - 519-633-7253 Message-ID: <1724.479.uupcb@homebase.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors >>> Continued from previous message Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11? Armstrong: Naturally - NASA was committed at that time, and couldn't risk panic on Earth. But it really was a quick scoop and back again. Armstrong confirmed that the story was true but refused to go into further detail, beyond admitting that the CIA was behind the cover-up. . SLMR 2.1a . InfoNet London (519)649-1453 (Hit ^C and enter HELP at $ -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Steve Gresser) Subject: Kevin Randle on Good Morning America Date: 20 Nov 92 05:20:00 GMT > Kevin Randle will be on Good Morning America tomorrow, November 19th. Kevin Randle and Good Morning America combined for a nice, well balanced, and disappointingly brief expose' of the Roswell, New Mexico, incident. I do not believe that any new information was revealed in this report, but I am more than pleased that the phenomenon is inching its way back toward the mainstream news media. Slowly. Steve -- Steve Gresser - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Steve.Gresser@f100.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis) Subject: Re: Ufo cases Date: 20 Nov 92 06:08:00 GMT The Virginia story occurred on September 14, 1992 in area of Sutton in Braxton County. There were no members of the family left unaffected and there were (possibly still are) medical records. A copy of text from the UP story follows: "SUTTON, September 14 - (UP) - Seven Braxton County residents vowed that a "Frankenstein" monster with BO drove them from a hill-top near here, but police say the smelly boogie-man was the product of mass hsyteria. "The thing, described by witnesses as part man part dragon, has not been seen since Friday night, but residents insist a foul ordor still covers the area of the sighting. "All this started when Mrs. Kathleen May of Flatwoods said she and her six boys, one a 17-year-old national guardsman, climbed the hill to investigate her two mall sons' report that a "flying saucer" had landed there. ". . . She said the "monster" exuded an overpowering odor "like metal: that so sickened them they vomited for hours afterward. Her eldest son has been placed in intensice care in what appears to be a coma. Obviously the paper source played it for fun - there would later be a hearing during which the editor would admit to being afraid of having "outsiders laugh at us again." When asked what he meant by again, he responded - "Oh, you know, all those lights at night and stuff. The judge asked him to elaborate on "stuff." He only said, "No one knows what them are - but they show up 'bout every night. We don;'t take no reckon of 'em any more." That singular line got more investigators interested than anything else the hapless fellow could have said. Consider, too, that the witnesses had a great deal of trouble describing what they had seen - none of them - not one - had ever read a science fiction story. They knew about Frankenstein - and that was all they had to relate to. Curiously, several stories appeared at intervals of about 6 months - each lessening the import of the incident. Each one of them carried a Sutton date line - and all came from one source - Washington DC. Also, several local residents insisted they saw nothing because they were "in church that night." A quick check of the calendar will show you an interesting fact September 15 (dateline of the story) is indeed Sunday. But, the event actually occurred on Friday the 12th - not too many people in church that night. As for the Woodbury story, the Ground Observer Corps (GOC) was in place on 24-hour watch as a result of the post war jitters and the heightening cold war. While we certainly had coastal radar, it was feared that an effective attack might come in under the lower range of radar along our eastern seaboard. For that reason, observation posts with extremely sensitive microphones elevated above the posts were located all along the shore line. Most observers after a few weeks of experience could identify the majority of standard aircraft by the sound of their engines alone. -- Tom Davis - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Tom Davis) Subject: Re: part 2 Date: 20 Nov 92 06:19:00 GMT "Am I wearing you out with questions?" Not at all, John. Although my antiquated memory circuits are a bit frazzled. :) It's been a long time since I've tried to put these into written form. Sending the GOC observers to their homes served two purposes: got them out of immediate access to the general public (faster than having them wanter around the fire station below or sitting in a local bar or restaurant) and it separated them. The latter implication and reasoning should be clear enough. Medical records of one Doctor Hughs at the Underwood hospital in Woodbury showed that one observer remaining hospitalized for a period of three weeks and was released. He returned for examination and diagnosis of paralytic polio one week later - if memory serves his life ended in an iron lung. I do not know the details of the other observer. I am not aware of the Haddonfield connection you mentioned relative to Halloween movies (I saw the first one, hated it and haven't seen any of the others). Finally, Crawford County - yes, I can tell you much more - I was there. I have a good friend in Vincennes, Indiana - near Lawrenceville, Illinois - who is currently trying to dig up some concrete data for me - the old Army Air Corp case is long fallen into ruin - but, he says tantalizingly - some of the old file cabinets are actually still there and full of reports. If he finds what I hope he finds, I'll share it with you - but privately. -- Tom Davis - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Tom.Davis@f201.n350.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Danni.Brewi@p0.f812.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Danni Brewi) Subject: Re: Corona Crashed & Smashed? Date: 19 Nov 92 17:04:45 GMT Don, How does one find your raadio show? We would like to listen to it.. Thanks, Danni -- Danni Brewi - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Danni.Brewi@p0.f812.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Phoenix Project Date: 20 Nov 92 18:48:01 GMT * Originally by Michael Corbin, 1:104/422 * Originally to Michael Corbin, 1:104/428 * Originally dated 20 Nov 1992, 11:48 This file was contributed by Don Kircher, a ParaNet subscriber. Our thanks to Don for his investigation into the Phoenix Project. Michael Corbin 10/23/92 Copyrighted Radio Transmissions from Aliens Abstract K-2; the alleged alien base in the Plumas National Forest is branded a hoax by default when the recorded radio transmission is found to be a copy of a tape which was available in bookstores across the country. Key Words Phoenix Project,K-2,Underground Base,Alien,Plumas National Forest Pilot Point, PP report #920627, hoax From the moment I became aware of the Roswell case I have maintained an ongoing interest in crashed ufos, direct contact, and abductions. I tend to be more open to statements than some, taking an innocent until proven guilty attitude, rather than the more adversarial "show me" stance. ( I am not from Missouri ). This means I listen to everything. I save everything. I cross index everything. But I challenge very little. The jury remains out until something is produced which can withstand the scientific method, or is good enough to go before a courtroom judge. The result is a very large "wait and see" file, and occasionally a solidly closed case. My wait and see attitude combined with a healthy dose of dumb luck has permitted me to move the K-2 report squarely from the wait and see file into the closed section. Cross indexed under HOAX. I have closely monitored the netmail concerning the K-2 report since the story first broke in June. Direct e mail with the spokesman for the Phoenix Project and conversations with other interested parties have consumed a sizeable portion of my storage space. Yet I remained unwilling to send the Phoenix Project the money it desired for an original copy of the reports. Conversations with David Brune led to an arrangement for him to send me his copy of the K-2 report along with a copy of the taped radio transmission which led the Phoenix Project to investigate the K-2 site to begin with. I received the packet in early October and was surprised to find the contents of the tape familiar to me. It should be noted that the tape received from David is labeled K-2 Radio Transmission Monaural (58:20) and was associated with a descriptive paper noting its origin having been recorded on June, 5, 1989 at 0200 PDT from shortwave frequency 16.222 Megahertz at Forbestown, California. A note from the technical data states that "Oscilloscope observation of the recorded signal reveals the presence of pulsed digital information impressed on the predominant analog audio signal components". It then goes on to say that "This digital data may be encrypted". This description of the K-2 radio transmission is inconsistent with my own findings. The actual contents of the K-2 tape are a monaural reproduction of a tape which I purchased several years ago from a local bookstore. I am happy to say that after some digging in my garage I was able to locate my STEREO commercial production tape, and that it is still in good condition. My own tape is labeled ASTRAL SOUNDS and was copyrighted 1973 by The American Research Team. The tape was distributed under license by POTENTIALS UNLIMITED, INC. Potentials Unlimited marketed a wide variety of self help/self hypnosis/subliminal message tapes in the late eighties. Their products were available in the big chain bookstores such as Waldons and B Daltons. The original intent of the ASTRAL SOUNDS tape was to synchronized sound with brain wave frequencies for some interesting effects during listening/meditation. Both tapes have been donated to Paranet for the listening pleasure of serious researchers. If you have been considering purchasing ANYTHING from the PHOENIX PROJECT. I strongly advise you to reconsider. Regards Donald Kircher -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Moon Sightings Date: 21 Nov 92 16:24:00 GMT + HOUSTON: Repress is go, Eagle. On your mark. + ARMSTRONG: It says...wait...it says..."C...Ki...Keybo is a..." + ALDRIN: Repress in 5...4...3... + ARMSTRONG: "Keybo is a wee...weener...weinerhead!" Keybo is a + weinerhead! + That's amazing! + ALDRIN: 1...0...mark + HOUSTON: Repress is go, Eagle. + (pause) Hehe..that's a good one..I betcha Kibo frames this one :-) Don -- Don Allen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jeff.Brewi@p0.f812.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Jeff Brewi) Subject: Re: Phoenix Project Date: 22 Nov 92 17:40:17 GMT RE: the K2 tape being a copy of AASTRAL SOUNDS Was this K2 tape an exact duplicate of the ASTRAL SOUNDS? Was this K2 tape produced by Jack Mathias. It has been Purported in the past that Jack Mathias plagerized in the past on many items, especially items produced by his own publishing company...just curious as to whether or not Jack is up to his old tricks or if there is somebody new to look for. I know the Jack Mathias 'thing' is a very confusing issue... -- Jeff Brewi - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Jeff.Brewi@p0.f812.n202.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Washington DC MUFON CONF Date: 22 Nov 92 16:32:04 GMT * Forwarded from "MUFONET" * Originally by John Powell * Originally to All * Originally dated 20 Nov 1992, 22:22 Metro DC MUFON UFO Conference: Saturday February 6, 1993. $15.00. Quality Hotel, Silver Spring, MD. - Kevin Randle, - Major Ed Dames. - Panel Debate: Should the US government publically acknowledge the reality of UFOs? - For more information contact Mike Regimenti 410-974-0649. /\ (I'll provide more details when I get them.) || || (/---------------------------------------/) || || \/ In case some of you didn't already know Maryland had what's called an NPA Split. Our Area Code was 301 for the State, it is now 301 and 410. Thanks, take care. John. - -- Don Allen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Operation right to know Date: 22 Nov 92 16:33:05 GMT * Forwarded from "MUFONET" * Originally by John Powell * Originally to All * Originally dated 20 Nov 1992, 22:22 Operation Right to Know is scheduling the 2nd National UFO Demonstration March on Washington, DC for July 5, 1993. The sidewalk in front of the White House (1600 Pennsylvania Ave.) is the location and there will also be a rally at the Ellipse. The event will begin in the afternoon. Operation Right to Know also prepares a bi-monthly newsletter called The Forum. Membership/subscription is $15/yr., payable to: Operation Right to Know PO Box 2911 Hyattsville, MD 20784 For more information about the organization contact Hal MacKenzie at the above address or: Elaine Douglass 1801 Clydesdale NW Suite 501 Washington, DC 20009 (202) 232-2410 (This is her business address and number.) Thanks, take care. John. - -- Don Allen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/infopara Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom *********************End**of**the**InfoPara**Newsletter************************