Info-ParaNet Newsletters Volume I Number 624 Wednesday, February 17th 1993 (C) Copyright 1993 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Wisconsin Sighting Update on Survey...Part 1 Update on Survey...Conclusion Colorado Ufo Update Submission to Newslet. N.e. Ohio Center For Et Studies ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Wisconsin Sighting Date: 10 Feb 93 22:31:03 GMT Pete, I just saw the newsclip of that object seen and videotaped in Milwaukee. It looks like the Kanazawa object. Would you keep us updated here as to what is happening there? Have you interviewed the sherrif? Thanks, Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Update on Survey...Part 1 Date: 10 Feb 93 22:32:04 GMT Recently, I suggested that we discuss instrumentation aspects of researching the UFO problem. Below are excerpts taken from alt.alien.visitors, an Internet conference. Let's have some more discussion. (6601) Mon 1 Feb 93 2:41a By: Michael Corbin To: All Re: Survey St: Local Sent 7067> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I would like to pose a question to the a.a.v users. The idea of instrumentation and measurement of the UFO phenomenon comes up when we discuss how to do "real science" in determing what UFOs are. What should we be attempting to measure and how would we go about doing it, including what types of instruments could be used to acquire the data. Thoughts, ideas? Thanks, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7067) Thu 4 Feb 93 2:17p By: Steve Gamble X3293 To: All Re: Re: Survey St: 6601<>7343 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) Date: 2 Feb 93 14:50:50 GMT Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK Message-ID: <1993Feb2.145050.28020@crc.ac.uk> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors In article <142219.2B6D03FF@paranet.FIDONET.ORG>, Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes: > I would like to pose a question to the a.a.v users. The idea of instrumentat ion and measurement of the UFO phenomenon comes up when we discuss how to do "real science" in determing what UFOs are. What should we be attempting to measure and how would we > go about doing it, including what types of instruments could be used to acquire the data. > Before you can think about instrumentation you would need to define what sort of UFO's you are after. For example, if you were after some way of instrumenting what Hynek called Nocturnal Lights you would need different instruments to those you would need for, say, instrumenting abductions. The simple case would be looking for Nocturnal Lights. These constitute around 40 percent of all UFO reports. If you consider that in a very good year there may be as many as 350 reports for the whole of the United Kingdom, this would approximate to one report per day. If you consider the UK as being a rectangle approx 250 wide by 600 miles long, and a UFO may only be visible say 5 miles in any direction from an observation point, the it would be divided in 25 by 60 - 10 mile square boxes. This would give you a 1 in 1500 chance each day to see something providing you observe continuously 24 hours in each day. And this makes no allowance for dim objects, fog or just looking in the wrong direction at the wrong (?right?) time!! It would be quite an undertaking. You have to remember that over 90% of all UFOs reported can be reasonably explained after investigation to be natural or man-made objects/events. I think the only feasable way of instrumenting things would be a series of all sky cameras. The field of view of the cameras would need to overlap, so you could triangulate the position of anything observed. The images would need to be recorded on high definition video and preferebly time stamped. You might consider having remote controlled cameras with telephoto lenses at sites. These could be manually aimed and fired by an operator at your control centre if anything unusual is seen. Some cameras linked to spectrographs might provide information. Radar may be useful. Also keeping a detailed check of weather might be useful. The undertaking would be massive. You could always speak nicely to your local military, who I am sure get up to all these kinds of things already. Steve -- (Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!) Steve Gamble, Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK. Phone: +44 81 869 3293 JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7343) Sat 6 Feb 93 8:21p By: Roger Prokic To: All Re: Survey St: 7067<>7344 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Roger.Prokic@f60.n374.z1.fidonet.org (Roger Prokic) Date: 3 Feb 93 02:37:00 GMT Message-ID: <728719276.AA00120@eilc.fidonet.org> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors I am an Instrumentation engineer on the Space Shuttles working for NASA. I could suggest many instruments to collect real data on UFO's; however, the catch is to collect data means that we have to place instruments on a UFO...that's the catch...there's not much measuring that can be done without the UFO to attach sensors and transducers on. * Freddie 1.3b4 * The first full-featured QWK reader for the Mac ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7344) Sat 6 Feb 93 8:21p By: Dave Fischer To: All Re: Survey St: 7343<>7489 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gilly!dave@quack.UB.com (Dave Fischer) Date: 3 Feb 93 09:31:14 GMT Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway Message-ID: <9302011945.AA4014.V3.4@gilly.UUCP> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes: >I would like to pose a question to the a.a.v users. The idea of >instrumentation and measurement of the UFO phenomenon comes up >when we discuss how to do "real science" in determing what UFOs >are. What should we be attempting to measure and how would we Number one priority: stop destroying witness credibility by using hypnosis to "extract" information. Such data is as likely to come from the hypnotist as from the witness. ------------------------ uunet!quack!gilly!dave ------------------------ ================= Dave Fischer - Nature's Perfect Food ================= ---------------------- dave%gilly@quack.sac.ca.us ---------------------- (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7489) Sun 7 Feb 93 3:28p By: Glenn Durden To: All Re: Re: Survey St: 7344<>7496 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: alfa@csource.oz.au (glenn durden) Date: 3 Feb 93 02:15:07 GMT Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes: > I would like to pose a question to the a.a.v users. The idea of instrumentat > > Thoughts, ideas? > > Thanks, > > Mike > How about a photograph that isnt blurry :-) Seriously though, would a spectrographic analysis of the light reflected off one help to tell what they were made of? ......................................................... glenn durden alfa@csource.oz.au Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia The opinions expressed above are that of the author only. (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7496) Sun 7 Feb 93 3:28p By: Denise Solis To: All Re: Re: Survey St: 7489<>7508 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis) Date: 3 Feb 93 17:26:52 GMT Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors In article <9302011945.AA4014.V3.4@gilly.UUCP> gilly!dave@quack.UB.com (Dave Fischer) writes: >Number one priority: stop destroying witness credibility by using >hypnosis to "extract" information. Such data is as likely to come >from the hypnotist as from the witness. >================= Dave Fischer - Nature's Perfect Food ================= I get really tired of this senario. My hypnotist was not expecting me to discuss little grey men floating my body out the wall and into a ship. She was more expecting me to say my father beat the crap out of me as a child. I believe most credible hypnotherapists understand the concept of "leading the witness". Give their profession a little credit. Most of the comments made about hypnotists leading a person to say things is from people who never had the experience. There is a quality to memory that is missing in a made up story. When you re-experience something you also get the fear, anxiety, humor, happiness, ect... Just my 2 cents. -- ........--=={0}==--.........................--=={0}==--.............. --=={0}==-- * . *. dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com * .* --=={0}==--. * --=={0}==-- * . DENISE FAITH SOLIS --=={0}==--*.* --=={0}==--.....--=={0}==--..................*.............--=={0}==-- -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Update on Survey...Conclusion Date: 10 Feb 93 22:33:05 GMT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7508) Sun 7 Feb 93 3:29p By: Dave Fischer To: All Re: Re: Survey St: 7496<>7512 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: gilly!dave@quack.UB.com (Dave Fischer) Date: 4 Feb 93 08:42:57 GMT Organization: Flat Earth Liberation Front Against TV Message-ID: <9302031825.AA11224.V3.4@gilly.UUCP> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors dfs30@duts.ccc.amdahl.com (Denise Solis) writes: >I get really tired of this senario. My hypnotist was not expecting me to >discuss little grey men floating my body out the wall and into a ship. >She was more expecting me to say my father beat the crap out of me as a >child. I believe most credible hypnotherapists understand the concept of >"leading the witness". Give their profession a little credit. Most of the >comments made about hypnotists leading a person to say things is from >people who never had the experience. There is a quality to memory that >is missing in a made up story. When you re-experience something you also >get the fear, anxiety, humor, happiness, ect... >Just my 2 cents. Well, the use of such tecniques that *I've* witnessed were a complete joke. Of course there are "practitioners" who consciously avoid planting any ideas, but I don't think they're a majority in the abductee field, and how are you going to prove it anyways? (Ignoring for the moment the question of whether there *is* such a thing as ligit info from "hypnotherapy".) ------------------------ uunet!quack!gilly!dave ------------------------ ================= Dave Fischer - Nature's Perfect Food ================= ---------------------- dave%gilly@quack.sac.ca.us ---------------------- (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7512) Sun 7 Feb 93 3:29p By: Charles Mcgrew To: All Re: Re: Survey St: 7508<>7513 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) Date: 4 Feb 93 05:31:36 GMT Organization: Rutgers Univ., New Brunswick, N.J. Message-ID: Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes: What should we be attempting to measure and how would we go about doing it, including what types of instruments could be used to acquire the data. ... well, it depends on what you want to get. Pictures are a plus, so (this stuff is mostly obvious, but what the hell): video camera(s) - highest quality available/affordable; probably with some nice zoom. Use tripods whenever possible, so camera movement is minimized. light-intensifying equipment (like the news media have used now and again, for instance during the Gulf War.) For shooting at night. radar (having a second, impartial observer would be a big help -- radar returns are hard to deny.) A video hookup to the radar display would be something of a must. audio recording equipment. Some of this lot could be pretty cheap; you'd be looking to hear what people said while they were looking. Another recorder, hooked to a shotgun microphone could be used to record sounds of whatever is seen. (Which could distinguish helicopters from other things, for instance.) motion sensors - maybe; I don't know much about 'em, but they might be useful to wake up the crew (:-) ... having said all that, I'd point out that this stuff ain't cheap. At least some of it is rentable from companies that specialize in renting equipment, so if a group is going out every once in a while, renting may be the cheaper way to go. (Rentable stuff may be in an 'oddball' format - that is, oddball for home use -- 3/4". Local "cable access" stations can probably help out here for transfer to a more 'home friendly' format as necessary.) Once you have pictures (photographs, too), then you can analyze your socks off. Hope this helps, Charles (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7513) Sun 7 Feb 93 3:29p By: Steve Gamble X3293 To: All Re: Re: Survey St: 7512<>7581 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: sgamble@crc.ac.uk (Steve Gamble x3293) Date: 4 Feb 93 13:13:00 GMT Organization: MRC Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Harrow, UK Message-ID: <1993Feb4.131300.28080@crc.ac.uk> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors In article , alfa@csource.oz.au (glenn durden) writes: > Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes: > >>I would like to pose a question to the a.a.v users. The idea of instrument at >> >> Thoughts, ideas? >> >> Mike >> > > How about a photograph that isnt blurry :-) > Trouble is, the photos that are not blurry tend to hoaxes!! Take George Adamski's photos, not much sign of blurr but widely held to be fakes. (ref: The UFO Encylopedia. Margaret Sachs. Corgi Books, 1980) > Seriously though, would a spectrographic analysis of the light reflected > off one help to tell what they were made of? > > glenn durden It comes down to what type of UFO you are after. Clearly there is something different about abductions compared with distant nocturnal lights. Steve -- (Disclaimer: These are not my employer's opinions, they may not even be mine!) Steve Gamble, Computing Services, Clinical Research Centre and Human Genome Mapping Project Resource Centre, Watford Road, Harrow, Middlesex, HA1 3UJ, UK. Phone: +44 81 869 3293 JANET: s.gamble@uk.ac.crc INTERNET: s.gamble@crc.ac.uk (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (7581) Sun 7 Feb 93 8:28p By: Tom Randolph To: All Re: Re: Survey St: 7513<>8130 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: randolph@est.enet.dec.com (Tom Randolph) Date: 4 Feb 93 10:10:59 GMT Organization: Digital Equipment Corporation Message-ID: <1993Feb4.154300.20920@ryn.mro4.dec.com> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors In article , mcgrew@dropout.rutgers.edu (Charles Mcgrew) writes... > > Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes: > > What should we be attempting to measure and how would we go > > about doing it, including what types of instruments could be > > used to acquire the data. > >.... well, it depends on what you want to get. Pictures are a plus, >so (this stuff is mostly obvious, but what the hell): > > video camera(s) > light-intensifying equipment > radar > audio recording equipment > motion sensors I actually have thought about this a bit. Here's my "ideal UFO hunter" list: - Compass one magnetic, for quick checking of magnetic effects, one gyroscopic, as a check on the magnetic compass - Geiger counter self explanatory - Surveyor's transit or equivalent equipment for triangulation on sightings; this requires more than one observer and someone who can do the math - Camera with telephoto lenses; fast film for capturing moving objects - Telescope preferably 1000mm or more focal length, with capability to attach camera or video camera; for close ups if they stand still long enough - Video camera with zoom lens; image intensifier would be nice for nighttime; so would IR capability for recording heat effects; date/time display - Cassette recorder with shotgun mike, for recording object sound effects at a distance - Handheld CB radios (or Amateur band for you Hams) for coordinating multiple observers - Notebook/pens/pencils obvious - Binoculars obvious; I keep a pair in my truck at all times - Handheld scanner radio preferably a good general-coverage one, programmable to receive local police, aircraft, military - A cheapo battery powered AM radio good for picking up electromagnetic disturbance; tune to anyplace there's no station and listen for noise - Ziplock bags for samples; proper technique would be to photograph sample as found, then use the bag to pick it up without touching, seal it - A vehicle I've seen mention of someone's "UFO detector" alarm going off here on a.a.v... anyone have details on that? -Tom R. randolph@est.enet.dec.com (1:30163/150) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (8130) Wed 10 Feb 93 3:24p By: Michael Corbin To: Dave Fischer Re: Survey St: Local 7581<>8131 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: gilly!dave@quack.UB.com (Dave Fischer) > Date: 3 Feb 93 09:31:14 GMT > Organization: UTexas Mail-to-News Gateway > Message-ID: <9302011945.AA4014.V3.4@gilly.UUCP> > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors > Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) writes: >>I would like to pose a question to the a.a.v users. The idea of >>instrumentation and measurement of the UFO phenomenon comes up >>when we discuss how to do "real science" in determing what UFOs >>are. What should we be attempting to measure and how would we > Number one priority: stop destroying witness credibility by using > hypnosis to "extract" information. Such data is as likely to come > from the hypnotist as from the witness. While I agree with you partially, I believe that what we need to insist upon is that those practicing hypnosis should strictly adhere to the guidelines pertaining to such practice. Ideally, the hypnosis should be carried out by a qualified medical practitioner such as a psychologist or psychiatrist, or at least a forensic specialist. California has addressed the issue of hypnosis as it pertains to criminal justice and admissibility in court. Their guidelines are very strict and this should be used as some type of guideline. I do not agree that people who take a correspondence course or something equivalent should be doing the work, unless someone with the above qualifications are present. Secondly, I find it very irresponsible that some of these people make various statements about "alien agendas" based upon the information that is learned from a participant under hypnosis. This is the other fault in abduction research. Hypnosis should not be used as the primary tool for researching this phenomenon. Just my two cents. Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ (8131) Wed 10 Feb 93 3:25p By: Michael Corbin To: Glenn Durden Re: Survey St: Local <8130 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: alfa@csource.oz.au (glenn durden) > Date: 3 Feb 93 02:15:07 GMT > Organization: Unique Computing Pty Ltd, Melbourne, Australia > Message-ID: > Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors > How about a photograph that isnt blurry :-) > Seriously though, would a spectrographic analysis of the light reflected > off one help to tell what they were made of? It is a good start. Maybe it might give us some clues about the method of propulsion. Mike -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f150.n30163.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Colorado Ufo Update Date: 11 Feb 93 01:28:00 GMT > It appears so far that this one's not going to be > explained away too easily. I understand there was > at least one airport radar confirmation, which would > eliminate the possibility of astronomical body > mis-identification. --Sheldon There was *no* radar confirmation, however the tower at Stapleton did see them visually with binoculars. They stated that the lights were too low to be observable with radar. 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We want to send a clear message to congress! We need for YOU to send me your address by e-mail. I will send you a laser copy of this form letter. We need you to zerox as many copies as you can get signed then send them back to me. We will then bombard congress with these letters before the demonstration on July 5th. Also, a form letter to the President will be included for zeroxing and signing. LETS SEND THEM A CLEAR MESSAGE THIS JULY THAT WE WANT AN END TO THE UFO SECRECY AND OUR NUMBERS ARE GROWING!!!! -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mike.Keithly@p0.f608.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Mike Keithly) Subject: N.e. Ohio Center For Et Studies Date: 12 Feb 93 01:54:01 GMT * Forwarded from "Internet Alien Visitors Conf" * Originally by David R. Stepien * Originally to All * Originally dated 11 Feb 1993, 16:12 From: cc203@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (David R. Stepien) Date: 10 Feb 93 18:45:13 GMT Organization: Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Message-ID: <1lbifpINN2be@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors *********************************************************************** NORTHEAST OHIO CENTER FOR EXTRATERRESTRIAL STUDIES (was Northeast Ohio CE5 Working Group) INVESTIGATION REPORT *********************************************************************** On Sunday, Feb. 7, five members of NOCES travelled to Ahland, Ohio to interview Cliff Stumbaugh. Our interest in Cliff arose from a description we had heard of an event called a "Network UFO Watch Rally", which Cliff had presented several years ago. This report came from a woman with no prior UFO experience who had been invited to attend the event by a friend. The rally was held at Mt. Geis, a remote hilltop near Mansfield with a commanding 270 degree view of the surrounding countryside. The woman reported that a group assembled on top of the mountain after dark, and began chanting and beaming their flashlights into the sky. Much to her surprise, several "lights" moved in from various locations in the sky to form a 5 pointed formation directly over the group. The woman stated that the rate at which these objects moved precluded the possibility that they were conventional aircraft. Based on the above (admittedly sketchy) report, and our interest in pursuing CE5 (Close Encounters of the 5th Kind) activities, we tracked down Mr. Stumbaugh and arranged a meeting. We asked Cliff about the rally, and he told us that he had held many such events over the years, but no longer did so. His ability to contact these extraterrestrials, or Merkabas, as he called them, began one night when he spotted one of them in the sky. Although he had no prior telepathic experience, he called out in thought to the object, at which point it immediately responded and moved directly towards him. Cliff stated that he felt as if he was "scanned", and was surprised to find that for a long period the object "followed him around." He began receiving telepathic messages from it, and eventually began to hold gatherings where multiple persons were able to witness the objects. Cliff gave many more details about the Merkabas, which he claimed were 5th dimensional beings rather than spaceships. I will not describe these here in the interest of brevity. He has also on one occasion witnessed "greys" on his property. Our initial assesment of Cliff is that he is intelligent, and seemingly honest. He seems to fall squarely under the "contactee" heading, and has a very "new-ageish" philosophy. In light of the independent report from the woman who informed us of Cliff, we have concluded that there is a high probability that some sort of paranormal activity occured at these rallies, although we reserve our judgement on exactly what it was. The most promising outcome of the interview is that Cliff has kindly agreed to take our group out to Mt. Geis this summer to witness the phenomenon for ourselves. *********************************************************************** If you live in the vicinity of Northeast Ohio, and are interested in participating in NOCES activities, please respond by email. *********************************************************************** -- Mike Keithly - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Mike.Keithly@p0.f608.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG ******************************************************************************* Submissions infopara@scicom.alphacdc.com Administrative requests infopara-request@scicom.alphacdc.com FTP archive grind.isca.uiowa.edu:/info/paranet/infopara Permission to distribute Michael.Corbin@paranet.org Private mail to Paranet/Fidonet users firstname.lastname@paranet.org UUCP gateway {ncar,isis,csn}!scicom *********************End**of**the**InfoPara**Newsletter************************