Abduction Digest, Number 78 Tuesday, November 10th 1992 (C) Copyright 1992 Paranet Information Service. All Rights Reserved. Today's Topics: Linda Case Survey Linda Case Interesting Account It's All In Your Head 1/ It's All In Your Head 2/ Interesting Account Con't Artesia, New Mexico Linda case Spheres and OOBE ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG (David Jacobs) Subject: Linda Case Date: 2 Nov 92 07:53:16 GMT Hold on. Steady. The attacks are beginning to be mounted in the Linda case. Hansen's is probably not the last of them. Please reserve judgement until Budd publishes all of his data. Budd Hopkins is one of the most respected research- ers in the history of UFO investigations. He deserves to have the benefit of the doubt in all attacks until he publishes the complete history of the Linda case. I will have more to say about this case in the future. -- David Jacobs - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: David.Jacobs@p0.f21.n1010.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell) Subject: Survey Date: 2 Nov 92 06:14:02 GMT -=> Quoting John Burke to John Powell <=- JB> Nice posting! I was particularly interested in this JB> passage: > [3] - TRONDANT is a fictional word... [...] JB> ... which makes me wonder how many people read through that survey JB> like this: >> ... Yeah ... once or twice. ... >> ... Oh yeah! More than twice ... about 4 or 5 times! ... >> ... Yep! At least 3 times. ... >> ... Oh yeah! -- TRONDANT!! Wow! I haven't heard *that* >> word in a LONG time! F***in' TRONDANT! Now what was that >> supposed to mean, anyway? ... Wow! Just thinking of >> that word again is causing me to have FLASHBACKS!! ... >> I can still see THOSE EYES!! ... And that sulphur smell >> that Whitley used to describe! ... Too much!! ... I think Whitley's sulphur smell had rather more to do with what he ate than what was eating him... JB> I'd bet that the number of people who fall for TRONDANT is JB> a lot higher on these paranormal-related bbs-es. -- JB> probably *much* higher than 1%! I don't honestly know but I honestly wouldn't be surprised. There is already an attractant associated with time on paranormal-related BBSs... Oh darn... There's that sulphur odor again... Gotta go! Thanks, take care. John. - ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 -- John Powell - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Don Allen) Subject: Linda Case Date: 4 Nov 92 15:18:00 GMT > AREA:ABDUCT > Hold on. Steady. The attacks are beginning to be mounted in the > Linda case. Hansen's is probably not the last of them. Please > reserve judgement until Budd publishes all of his data. Budd > Hopkins is one of the most respected researchers in the history of > UFO investigations. He deserves to have the benefit of the doubt in > all attacks until he publishes the complete history of the Linda > case. I will have more to say about this case in the future. Hi David, Can you answer 2 questions? 1). How reliable is Linda's story? 2). Who else can verify Hopkin's data? Thanks! Don -- Don Allen - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Don.Allen@p1.f81.n363.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gary.Long@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gary Long) Subject: Interesting Account Date: 6 Nov 92 07:09:46 GMT (157) Tue 3 Nov 92 21:14 By: Cliff Treadaway To: Steve Gresser Re: Area 51 names St: ------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:3632/24 5095891c @REPLY: 1:114/37 9616a2f6 @PID: GE 1/b20 I read your message and if you are really serious about your ufo's, here's a first hand account: In 1968 I worked with my father on a wireline tug (we cleaned parafin buildup out of producing oil wells). I believe it was about June of 1968, we had pulled up to a well about 3 miles west of Point-a-la-Hache, Louisiana. At about 7:00 am, my Dad, as was his practice, began cooking a stew for lunch. At about 8:30 we hooked up to the well and were about to start "going down" with the cleaning tool. To the East, on a bright, sunny, blue sky kind of day, we noticed what appeared to be an airplane. It was very shiny. One problem...it wasn't moving. We watched it in silence for what we thought was about 10 minutes. At the end of the 10 minutes, we shrugged it off, mainly because it disappeared. I went to check the stew...it had burned completely to charcoal in the black iron pot. We checked our watches, It was 4:00 pm. What happened? We don't know. We called Alvin Calendar Naval Air Base and reported the incident by phone. They took the information but nothing ever came of it. It seemed very strange, but we have not had any ill effects other than we don't talk about it, because everybody at the time thought we were nuts! We lost almost a whole day. Neither one of us have any memory of the event except that we agree on what it looked like....kind of cigar shaped with a tail or antennae on the right, that seemed to rotate to a center position prior to zooming away almost straight up. Is this weird or what? -- Gary Long - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gary.Long@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: It's All In Your Head 1/ Date: 7 Nov 92 05:41:02 GMT * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference" * Originally by Ralph Toscano * Originally to All * Originally dated 30 Oct 1992, 10:53 I thought that the following article would be of interest to my fellow users... This article is verbatim from the New Haven Register, (i.e., New Haven Connecticut for those of you not familiar with New England). Dr. Ring is a professor of psychology at UConn,(University of Connecticut) in Storrs Connecticut...and Author of the book... "The Omega Project" ********************************************************************* THURSDAY, OCTOBER 29, 1992 NEW HAVEN REGISTER HEALTH AND SCIENCE "Unusual Encounters: Imagine opening a window in the brain to another reality" By Abram Katz Register Science Editor ********************************************************************* STORRS - Some people might give you incredulous arched eyebrows if you recounted how an alien craft beamed you aboard to undergo a mysterious physical exam by extraterrestrials creatures. But Kenneth Ring wouldn't. Ring, professor of psychology at the University of Connecticut, has probably listened to mores tales of flying saucer abduction than anyone from this world. He takes them seriously, but not literally. Ring, the first researcher to systematically study the vivid visions and feelings of near-death experiences, became interested in descriptions of encounters with Unidentifed Flying Objects after reading a book about them in 1987. Ring's latest studies are contained in "The Omega Project: Near-Death Experiences, UFO Encounters and the Mind at Large," a 320 page book recently published by William Morrow and Co. Ring found that both groups -- people who have had a near-death experience and visits from aliens -- seem to have similar psychological profiles. People who've seen the pure white light of the afterlife or the large unblinking eyes of aliens are likely to report a history of child abuse, trauma and stress. Both phenomena may be rooted in an unusually acute psychological sensitivity that not everyone shares, Ring says. Childhood abuse may arouse or trigger this sensitivity. But Ring emphasizes that this is not necessarily a matter of brain chemistry or nuerology. Flying saucers weren't observed until the first atom bomb was dropped, and some UFO encounters may be the result of anxiety about nuclear weapons and planetary destruction. Similarly, some who have near-death experiences may be responding to an increasingly impersonal and materialistic culture. However, Ring favors a much more esoteric explanation -- one that many other psychologists won't touch with a 10-foot phaser: These people seem to be able to perceive another dimension closed to the rest of us, a power that could mark a new stage in the evolution of the mind, Ring says in an incongruously matter-of-fact manner. Ring is less interested in the blurry metaphysics of this strange world of imagination that in the measureable physical and psychological changes that emerge after a near-death experience or a UFO encounter. "Is there any type of person who is especially susceptible to unusual encounters like near-death experiences or UFO encounters? What are the after effects?" Ring asked. Ring stressed that he has no reason to believe that the planet is being visited by beings from other worlds. "I'm not convinced by any evidence that there are literal spacecraft coming to Earth to do nefarious things to humans," Ring said in his sparse office. A more likely hypothesis is that the affected groups have brain anomalies, perhaps in the temporal lobe or limbic system, that permit them to have near-death experiences or UFO encounters he said. Something real has happened to these people. It needs to be looked at. We have a mystery on our hands. Regardless of whether these experiences are blissful or bestial they transform people," Ring said. Most scientists are convinced that the experiences seem real but are no more than a new kind of nuerological condition, or a sort of seizure. It's difficult to assess the stories of tall thin aliens and elevation on light beams without knowing about the rest of the narrator's life, said Dr. Selby C. Jacobs, professor of psychiatry at the Yale School of Medicine. "I still don't know what to make of it," Jacob said of a UFO encounter described by a heavy machine operator with a grade school education. "It's not the type of thought content typical of delusional disorders. It's coherent, detailed, highly developed and too graphic," Jacobs said. "I don't think there was a spaceship," Jacobs added. The man may have experienced an altered state of consciousness, or brought up a childhood trauma in disguise, he said. "Something funny happened in his brain. I'm not sure it's pathological. I'm willing to accept it as within the realm of human experience," Jacobs said. Jerome L. Singer, professor of psychology at Yale, said near-death experiences and UFO abductions are legitimate to study as artifacts of the imagination. Victims of childhood trauma sometimes develop extreme bizarre fanatasies as adults, Singer said. Ultimately, both phenomena may represent a strong fear of death through escape or the existence of an afterlife, Singer said. Or perhaps, Ring said, the people who have these visions have somehow opened a window onto another reality -- the "imaginal realm" -- a kind of twilight zone altered state between thinking and dreaming. "Suppose we were aware only of sunlight. Some people might say 'There's another world where sunlight is absent, with a black sky and stars and planets.' If we only lived in a solar consciousness we wouldn't know that exists," Ring said. More to the point, people who say they've had near-death experiences or UFO abductions "see" objects that they couldn't have seen, Ring said. In one case a woman who was dead momentarily on an operating table floated above the roof of the hospital and saw a single gym shoe that later was found. Others who have approached death have seen relatives they never knew or did not know about, Ring said. "We don't have neurological theory to explain this," Ring said. Nor is there a way to explain why many of these people are left more sensitive to light, sound and other stimuli; with different blood pressure and temperature; different sleep patterns and a greater sense of social concern and spirituality. >>> Continued to next message * OLX 2.2 * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: It's All In Your Head 2/ Date: 7 Nov 92 05:42:04 GMT * Forwarded from "Fidonet UFO Conference" * Originally by Ralph Toscano * Originally to All * Originally dated 30 Oct 1992, 10:53 >>> Continued from previous message The human body or brain may contain as yet unknown sensory organs of a type unimagined, or may be somehow sensitive to extremely low energy fields, Ring said. Another complication is that while near-death and UFO captures seem similar, they have very different effects on the people who experience them. Brushes with death typically bring a feeling of security and leave people exhilarated and peaceful, while supposed interactions with aliens cause the opposite reaction. Panic gives way to a sense of violation, and concludes with hatred, anger and confusion, Ring found. Also, near-death experiences usually happen only once to a person in adulthood, while UFO episodes are frequently recurrent, often starting in early childhood. "We need to do research to reconcile these facts. We need to go beyond the territory in which most scientists feel comfortable," Ring said. ***********************[ END OF FILE ]******************************** * OLX 2.2 * I'm in shape ... round's a shape isn't it? -- Michael Corbin - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Gary.Long@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Gary Long) Subject: Interesting Account Con't Date: 8 Nov 92 07:38:22 GMT (267) Thu 5 Nov 92 21:28 By: Tim Rue To: All Re: recall - Yes or No? St: ------------------------------------------------------------ @MSGID: 1:133/208.0 2af9d830 Being someone whom knows he has had encounters and satisfactory reason to believe he has also been abducted, I have a question. What positive productive value might I receive by taking steps to recall details of such events? Please, only reply with quality responces. I don't want or need skeptics, deception, or suggestions. What I want is feedback based on actual case studies of the improvements others have gained by recalling such experences. ___ X EZ 1.30 X Society - the force which determines the norm wb David, If you have any interest in responding to this individual, I'd be happy to cross post your input. Thanks for your meaningful endeavors! --Gary -- Gary Long - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Gary.Long@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG (Scott Colborn) Subject: Artesia, New Mexico Date: 9 Nov 92 05:46:47 GMT My name is Scott Colborn, Director of the Fortean Research Center in Lincoln, NE. I I'm working on what appears to be an abduction case involving a Lincoln, NE, woman. She believes that she has been taken to an underground facility called Artesia. This underground facility is staffed by human military personal and "alien" beings. An alien being that was a major player in her on-going contacts was for a time being held at this facility. Whether this "being" was being held to gauge her response and evaluate a bonding, or whether this "being" actually was violating prodedures with regards to emotional ties to this woman is conjecture. She has undergone hypnosis and through this process she has rememb- ered that she was taken to this facility to interact with hybrid children. The woman described the terrain as slightly rolling, the temperature as being hot, with a water source nearby and some trees along or near the water source. I've done some preliminary research and concluded that the best "fit" to the physical description given by the Lincoln woman is the area surrounding Artesia, New Mexico. (She was told by one of the "beings" that the name of the facility was "Artesia.") The town of Artesia, New Mexico and the general area surrounding the town seem to fit her description. I travelled through the area in July, `92, and the Pecos River is to the east of the town. I would like to ask for assistance in several areas. First, are any of you familiar with an "Artesia" in your area? It could be a name for an area, but I think it probably describes a city or town. Secondly, has anyone come across reports of abductions where an individual was taken to an area that might fit the "Artesia" description? Thirdly, how about reports involving what appear to be humans in fatigues interacting with "aliens" in a facility in which hybrid children are kept? I realize that the above information is sparse, sketchy and bare-bones. In researching this information I've had several interesting "responses" in the form of an unsigned letter warning me to cease and desist from my efforts to find out more about "Artesia." Additionally, during a radio program I host in Lincoln, NE, as a guest (William Hamilton) and I had just begun to talk about " the alien presence on Earth and rumored underground bases," the radio station went off the air. To make a long story longer, suffice to say that the engineer couldn't account for the off-air occurance in terms of equipment failure. He believed that something had to have interrupted the power supply to the transmitter to trigger a protection circut to take it off-line. So, from the information from the Lincoln abductee, and the coincidental letter and off-air event, I've been interested in this case for several years. Lastly, apparently the first underground school in the country was built in Artesia, New Mexico, at the height of the cold war. It admittedly is extreme conjecture on my part, but wouldn't it be interesting if the underground school was also built so that children could be observed, monitored and studied by an alien presence? Maybe....maybe not, but the Artesia-Lincoln connection is an interesting case. Thanks for any information you may send my way. Again, the case is much more complex than what I've alluded to here. But perhaps this bit of information might be enough to cause you to contact me with any relavant information. I appreciate your interest and input, and ask your forgiveness at the lack of details here. More will be forthcoming-most probably in an issue of the Journal of the Fortean Research Center. I can be reached at 402-421-1701 during the day. Because of budget constraints, I may not be able to return a tremendous amount of phone calls. Perhaps you can contact me here through the board. Again, thanks! Scott H. Colborn -- Scott Colborn - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: Scott.Colborn@p0.f31.n1012.z9.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG (John Powell) Subject: Linda case Date: 7 Nov 92 11:12:06 GMT -=> Quoting David Jacobs to All <=- DJ> Hold on. Steady. The attacks are beginning to be DJ> mounted in the Linda case. [...] David, I'm planning to attend the MUFON meeting (Winterthur Museum, Copeland Lecture Hall, DE, 11/21) where you'll be speaking. Would it be possible for us to discuss at that time (afterwards?) some of the items that I mentioned in that massive 3-parter I sent you a few months ago? I would also like to discuss with you several ideas, as well as your own ideas, regarding electronic monitoring and documentation of an abduction event. DJ> Budd Hopkins is one of the DJ> most respected researchers in the history of UFO DJ> investigations. He deserves to have the benefit of the DJ> doubt in all attacks until he publishes the complete DJ> history of the Linda case. He has certainly earned 'innocent until proven guilty', if not much more than that otherwise obvious pronouncement. Thanks, take care. John. - ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.10 -- John Powell - via ParaNet node 1:104/422 UUCP: !scicom!paranet!User_Name INTERNET: John.Powell@f601.n109.z1.FIDONET.ORG -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael.Corbin@p0.f428.n104.z1.FIDONET.ORG (Michael Corbin) Subject: Spheres and OOBE Date: 10 Nov 92 06:16:02 GMT David, I am curious to find out how many cases you or Hopkins have worked on that involve a sphere or an OOBE event. 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